Poll The AV Watch - Poll
The AV Watch - Poll
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0 - 5 Games Under .5001 Votes - [1.92%]
6 - 10 Games Under .50018 Votes - [34.62%]
11 - 15 Games Under .5006 Votes - [11.54%]
16 - 20 Games Under .5001 Votes - [1.92%]
21 - 25 Games Under .5003 Votes - [5.77%]
Arniel and/or Ruff become the scapegoats, not AV1 Votes - [1.92%]
Gorton becomes the scapegoat, not AV3 Votes - [5.77%]
Rangers turn it around. All hands safe.19 Votes - [36.54%]
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Steady Eddie
Posted 2017-10-15 12:14 PM (#683557)
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Just wondering how many games we have to slip under .500 before Chewey Degum gets the ax. We are currently 4 games under.
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Posted 2017-10-15 12:18 PM (#683558 - in reply to #683557)
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If we go 8 games under .500 then AV will be on his way out.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-15 12:41 PM (#683559 - in reply to #683557)
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If Gorton gets fired does that mean Sather comes back?
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NTHockey
Posted 2017-10-15 1:25 PM (#683560 - in reply to #683559)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 2:41 PM

If Gorton gets fired does that mean Sather comes back?


Bite your tongue. He might bring Trottier with him.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-10-15 1:45 PM (#683561 - in reply to #683560)
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I said when Ruff was hired that AV would be gone by Xmas....revised that to Thanksgiving after game 3.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-15 1:53 PM (#683562 - in reply to #683560)
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NTHockey - 2017-10-15 1:25 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 2:41 PM

If Gorton gets fired does that mean Sather comes back?


Bite your tongue. He might bring Trottier with him.

Haha true
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Posted 2017-10-15 2:15 PM (#683563 - in reply to #683557)
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-10-15 3:23 PM (#683564 - in reply to #683557)
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Gorton is not going anywhere, but sadly for AV the same can't be assumed as the clock is ticking. I'm not so sure the team didn't give up on this coach & needs a change. What does an NHL coach get save a few here & there 3-4 years at most.

Edited by LeetchyMrRanger 2017-10-15 3:24 PM
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robstones
Posted 2017-10-15 7:25 PM (#683565 - in reply to #683561)
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Mjolnir - 2017-10-15 3:45 PM

I said when Ruff was hired that AV would be gone by Xmas....revised that to Thanksgiving after game 3.


Apparently AV was the one that brought Ruff here.... I don't think Lindy is a factor here.

Darryl Sutter or bust

That said, I voted on a turn around....


We're 1-5, but 3 and 4 game winning streaks aren't uncommon. They'll be at .500 sooner than we think is my guess.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-15 7:38 PM (#683566 - in reply to #683557)
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AV plays favorites ...forgets who is on the bench....has Stepan Staal and Holden out there at the end of the game...The team now couldnt care less out there...Its time...he has to go
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-15 8:00 PM (#683567 - in reply to #683557)
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concust
Posted 2017-10-16 10:51 AM (#683576 - in reply to #683557)
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I'm somewhat torn on this - statistically the Rangers have been playing better than their record indicates BUT if AV is close to being replaced then the ends justifies the means.

I'm not saying that with a better coach we'd be 5-0 but I do not see AV being able to take this team to a Cup. In fact at this point I can guarantee that all the issues that we have with him - mismanagement of the defense, overreliance on veterans, being punitive with ice time, etc - all those things will actively hinder us from winning a Cup.

This may be AV's last week with the Rangers. We have Pittsburgh up next, rivalry game with Islanders, then Predators. If we go 0-3 there that puts us at 1-7? I can't imagine Gorton holding his cards at that point.

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Posted 2017-10-16 12:55 PM (#683592 - in reply to #683557)
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If it happens, they better have a better replacement than Ruff. They need a younger coach who knows how to utilize the roster strengths and not feel beholden to certain players. Can't be hiring the same old/recycled coaches.
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Andy Bathgate
Posted 2017-10-16 2:32 PM (#683594 - in reply to #683576)
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concust - 2017-10-16 12:51 PM

I'm somewhat torn on this - statistically the Rangers have been playing better than their record indicates BUT if AV is close to being replaced then the ends justifies the means.

I'm not saying that with a better coach we'd be 5-0 but I do not see AV being able to take this team to a Cup. In fact at this point I can guarantee that all the issues that we have with him - mismanagement of the defense, overreliance on veterans, being punitive with ice time, etc - all those things will actively hinder us from winning a Cup.

This may be AV's last week with the Rangers. We have Pittsburgh up next, rivalry game with Islanders, then Predators. If we go 0-3 there that puts us at 1-7? I can't imagine Gorton holding his cards at that point.



Very good points... I'm the last one to blame everything on the coach. But since January of last year this team has been barley .500. His coaching against Montreal was decent, but he lost me against Ottawa and directly cost them games they were winning by multiple goals in the final minutes.

After a certain time, a coach's message gets lost, he loses his team, on top of all the other problems a team is having personnel wise..... how much time did LA give Sutter? and he won two cups with them.

We won't know what half these players are worth until he's gone... specially players like Kreider - Miller - Hayes who showed windows of promise, but never flourished consistently under AV's system.







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Andy Bathgate
Posted 2017-10-16 2:34 PM (#683595 - in reply to #683592)
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Mandar - 2017-10-16 2:55 PM

If it happens, they better have a better replacement than Ruff. They need a younger coach who knows how to utilize the roster strengths and not feel beholden to certain players. Can't be hiring the same old/recycled coaches.


Agreed, Ruff - Av - Torts... all sold on their own styles and trying to fit round pegs in square holes.

But you know it would be Ruff for at least the rest of this season.



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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-16 2:53 PM (#683596 - in reply to #683557)
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We are doomed...The organ I zation is not going to pass over Ruff to get another guy...AV sucks
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PV29
Posted 2017-10-16 3:07 PM (#683597 - in reply to #683596)
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My "prediction" is probably nothing more than wishful thinking, but .....

with the Pens coming in tomorrow, if the game is a total blowout - **** show - dumpster fire, then AV is canned the next day. Two whole days of practice and preparation leading up to a home game against the Cup champs, and they play uninspired sloppy hockey? Oh yeah, he's gone that morning.

On the other hand, if they play well and maybe even win, he gets a reprieve. Maybe until after the holidays.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-10-16 4:40 PM (#683598 - in reply to #683557)
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Look at the line combos, and the defensive pairings at practice today.

Then explain to me how AV has a job here

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Posted 2017-10-16 4:41 PM (#683599 - in reply to #683557)
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Not to mention 51 got the more ice time than all other centers last game
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Posted 2017-10-16 4:46 PM (#683600 - in reply to #683557)
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Vua
Posted 2017-10-17 6:24 AM (#683620 - in reply to #683597)
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PV29 - 2017-10-16 3:07 PM

My "prediction" is probably nothing more than wishful thinking, but .....

with the Pens coming in tomorrow, if the game is a total blowout - **** show - dumpster fire, then AV is canned the next day. Two whole days of practice and preparation leading up to a home game against the Cup champs, and they play uninspired sloppy hockey? Oh yeah, he's gone that morning.

On the other hand, if they play well and maybe even win, he gets a reprieve. Maybe until after the holidays.


I don't plan on drinking enough at the game tonight to get through a blowout so they have to win tonight then lose 5 more and get AV fired.
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robstones
Posted 2017-10-17 7:35 AM (#683622 - in reply to #683557)
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Nash-Zibanejad-Zuccarello
Kreider-Desharnais-Miller
Vesey-Hayes-Fast
Grabner-Cracknell-Buchnevich

McDonagh-DeAngelo
Skjei-Smith
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is what AV had yesterday

I'd rather see

Nash Zibanejad Zuccarello
Kreider Miller Buchnevich
Grabner Hayes Vesey
Deshernais Cracknell Fast

McDonagh Shattenkirk
Skjei Smith
Staal DeAngelo

It only takes a few adjustments from AV's setup to get to mine... problem is, adjustments only happen when things are going wrong....

Miller has dominated the faceoffs.... how he doesn't remain at center is a mystery

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robstones
Posted 2017-10-17 9:58 AM (#683627 - in reply to #683557)
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Darryl Sutter

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Mark Messier

Those are my only two names to throw in the hat. If the next coach isn't one of those two, I don't see a chance for much more than what we have now.

Messier was runner up to AV when he got hired
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jobat317
Posted 2017-10-17 2:11 PM (#683642 - in reply to #683627)
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robstones - 2017-10-17 11:58 AM

Darryl Sutter

or

Mark Messier

Those are my only two names to throw in the hat. If the next coach isn't one of those two, I don't see a chance for much more than what we have now.

Messier was runner up to AV when he got hired


As much as I love Messier, he is NOT the answer here. If it isn't Sutter then they NEED to find a younger coach, as stated up above earlier. someone who understands today's NHL. Messier has NO experience behind the bench, the game has changed dramatically since he's had ANYTHING to do within the game. I say ixnay on someone so removed from the scene right now. Love ya Moose, but the time is NOT right!
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-10-17 5:36 PM (#683706 - in reply to #683557)
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This team is better than they are playing, it is what it is, time for a change.
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Posted 2017-10-17 7:46 PM (#683875 - in reply to #683557)
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Make that change, this is a mess. The team is a disaster. He has a good run here, time to put this out of its misery.

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Posted 2017-10-17 8:09 PM (#683896 - in reply to #683875)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-10-17 7:46 PM

Make that change, this is a mess. The team is a disaster. He has a good run here, time to put this out of its misery.

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Andy Bathgate
Posted 2017-10-17 8:51 PM (#683897 - in reply to #683557)
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I keep on hearing Sutters name thrown around... But I get a feeling his coaching days may be done, he's been available since April, and one would think he would've started the season with a new club.. From other hockey forums, the rumor is he's content with his 3,000 acre farm in Viking, Alberta, raising beef cattle.




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Posted 2017-10-17 9:30 PM (#683904 - in reply to #683897)
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Andy Bathgate - 2017-10-17 7:51 PM

I keep on hearing Sutters name thrown around... But I get a feeling his coaching days may be done, he's been available since April, and one would think he would've started the season with a new club.. From other hockey forums, the rumor is he's content with his 3,000 acre farm in Viking, Alberta, raising beef cattle.





There are stories, one interviewing him and he wants to coach again. He said it would have to be a good situation. Not sure New York would work for him and his family.
That’s a huge hurdle for Gorton if he cans Double mint who will be his replacement. If Sutter turned down the Rangers then who? Ruff the most likely because who else is there? Not exactly a coach buying market.
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concust
Posted 2017-10-18 6:57 AM (#683910 - in reply to #683557)
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Bylsma is available but he tanked his reputation after that Buffalo stint.

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Posted 2017-10-18 7:34 AM (#683911 - in reply to #683910)
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concust - 2017-10-18 6:57 AM

Bylsma is available but he tanked his reputation after that Buffalo stint.


Yeah that was a bad situation...but it sounds like Eichel was not blameless there either
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-18 7:39 AM (#683912 - in reply to #683557)
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I dont like Bylsmas speech impediment
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Posted 2017-10-18 8:42 AM (#683915 - in reply to #683911)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-18 8:34 AM

concust - 2017-10-18 6:57 AM

Bylsma is available but he tanked his reputation after that Buffalo stint.


Yeah that was a bad situation...but it sounds like Eichel was not blameless there either


TBH I was never impressed with Bylsma, or Shero, who were made out to be these geniuses due to their time in Pittsburgh. You give any team that much talent just dropped in their lap and they'll have success. Bylsma has put his own coaching abilities into serious doubt, Shero has made some good moves in NJ but they still have a very long way to go.

I have no doubt that Eichel bitched and moaned and got his way, but that's what's going to happen, these disputes only have one way of ending.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-18 8:48 AM (#683916 - in reply to #683557)
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Posted 2017-10-18 9:45 AM (#683918 - in reply to #683557)
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Andy Bathgate
Posted 2017-10-18 10:43 AM (#683920 - in reply to #683557)
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Surprised AV still has a job...


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Posted 2017-10-18 11:44 AM (#683921 - in reply to #683557)
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Yeah, only a matter of 1-2 games I think at this point. May as well just get it over with here. Much as I am a supporter of Vigneault the writing is on the wall.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2017-10-18 1:53 PM (#683924 - in reply to #683557)
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Despite my earlier predictions, I keep getting this eerie feeling that the Rangers are not going to fire him before the end of the season.
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Posted 2017-10-18 3:44 PM (#683925 - in reply to #683557)
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Why would we waste a whole season (it’s stil plenty of time to turn it around)just to find out how bad it will end?
They tried last night and it seems The players themselves want a change and answers to such a bad start.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-18 4:30 PM (#683927 - in reply to #683925)
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Blue404 - 2017-10-18 3:44 PM

Why would we waste a whole season (it’s stil plenty of time to turn it around)just to find out how bad it will end?
They tried last night and it seems The players themselves want a change and answers to such a bad start.

Its the NYR way
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-18 5:28 PM (#683928 - in reply to #683557)
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Is AV still the Coach? I was outside all day detailing my car...The Rangers need to work as hard as I do on my car haha
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Posted 2017-10-18 6:47 PM (#683933 - in reply to #683928)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-18 4:28 PM

Is AV still the Coach? I was outside all day detailing my car...The Rangers need to work as hard as I do on my car haha





Wax on wax off.
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Posted 2017-10-18 7:09 PM (#683935 - in reply to #683933)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-18 4:28 PM

Is AV still the Coach? I was outside all day detailing my car...The Rangers need to work as hard as I do on my car haha





Wax on wax off.

haha 7 hours out there...70 degrees here today
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Posted 2017-10-18 7:14 PM (#683937 - in reply to #683935)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-18 6:09 PM

Rranger - 2017-10-18 6:47 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-18 4:28 PM

Is AV still the Coach? I was outside all day detailing my car...The Rangers need to work as hard as I do on my car haha





Wax on wax off.

haha 7 hours out there...70 degrees here today






That’s a lot of detailing.
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Posted 2017-10-18 7:19 PM (#683939 - in reply to #683937)
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Rranger - 2017-10-18 7:14 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-18 6:09 PM

Rranger - 2017-10-18 6:47 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-18 4:28 PM

Is AV still the Coach? I was outside all day detailing my car...The Rangers need to work as hard as I do on my car haha





Wax on wax off.

haha 7 hours out there...70 degrees here today






That’s a lot of detailing.

Yeah man...lots of steps to do it right....Im wasted lol
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Posted 2017-10-19 8:43 AM (#683948 - in reply to #683557)
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If Double mint doesn't have them up for the Islanders who have been almost as bad as the Rangers, give him the smoke and line him up, for target practice..
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Posted 2017-10-19 9:06 AM (#683949 - in reply to #683948)
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Rranger - 2017-10-19 8:43 AM

If Double mint doesn't have them up for the Islanders who have been almost as bad as the Rangers, give him the smoke and line him up, for target practice..

Definitely....but we all k now AV is not good enough to get us the SC...So we should lay him off anyway
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Posted 2017-10-19 10:21 AM (#683950 - in reply to #683949)
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Rranger - 2017-10-19 8:43 AM

If Double mint doesn't have them up for the Islanders who have been almost as bad as the Rangers, give him the smoke and line him up, for target practice..

Definitely....but we all k now AV is not good enough to get us the SC...So we should lay him off anyway


The Dolt is only concerned with his playoff revenue so he can spend it on another woeful NY Knucks contract.
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Posted 2017-10-19 10:43 AM (#683951 - in reply to #683950)
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Mjolnir - 2017-10-19 10:21 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-19 11:06 AM

Rranger - 2017-10-19 8:43 AM

If Double mint doesn't have them up for the Islanders who have been almost as bad as the Rangers, give him the smoke and line him up, for target practice..

Definitely....but we all k now AV is not good enough to get us the SC...So we should lay him off anyway


The Dolt is only concerned with his playoff revenue so he can spend it on another woeful NY Knucks contract.

Yep...Dolt need to go too...We need Gulf & Western to buy the team back
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Posted 2017-10-19 12:14 PM (#683954 - in reply to #683557)
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Even Buffalo has a better record. How is AV still here?
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Posted 2017-10-19 12:20 PM (#683955 - in reply to #683954)
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Bottom of the Metro!

Even Buffalo has a better record. How is AV still here?

I think we are losing to the expansion team too
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Posted 2017-10-19 12:21 PM (#683956 - in reply to #683557)
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Posted 2017-10-19 2:53 PM (#683963 - in reply to #683557)
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It feels like 1975. Instead of firing the coach and/or GM, management will blame the players and start making stupid trades. Actually, after the play of Lundqvist and McDonagh on Tuesday, I wouldn't blame them.

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Posted 2017-10-19 3:08 PM (#683964 - in reply to #683963)
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Steady Eddie - 2017-10-19 2:53 PM

It feels like 1975. Instead of firing the coach and/or GM, management will blame the players and start making stupid trades. Actually, after the play of Lundqvist and McDonagh on Tuesday, I wouldn't blame them.


I wasnt a member of Rangers Nation yet...but all I know of 1975 was we had the better team and lost to the Isles
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Posted 2017-10-19 4:10 PM (#683966 - in reply to #683557)
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Yes, losing to the Isles in the 75 playoffs was the beginning to the end of a very good team, but I was alluding to the start of the 1975-76 season. We got off to a horrible start, so the GM Emile Francis put Giacomin on waivers and traded Park-Ratelle for Esposito-Vadnais.
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Posted 2017-10-19 4:38 PM (#683973 - in reply to #683966)
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Steady Eddie - 2017-10-19 4:10 PM

Yes, losing to the Isles in the 75 playoffs was the beginning to the end of a very good team, but I was alluding to the start of the 1975-76 season. We got off to a horrible start, so the GM Emile Francis put Giacomin on waivers and traded Park-Ratelle for Esposito-Vadnais.

God Awful x 10 were those moves...the #2 up on the roof should be Parks...He was our Bobby Orr
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He doesn't make it through the weekend.
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He's still here?!?!

Hahaha woooooo
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Glass 1/2 empty - record
Glass 1/2 full - 4 points in last 3 games
Getting it together to save the coach?
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Glass 1/2 empty - record
Glass 1/2 full - 4 points in last 3 games
Getting it together to save the coach?


As I mentioned before, they will win games despite mismanagement and awful play. That is the nature of Buttface's New NHL.
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No Ranger Coach has made it passed 5 years with us since after 1949...
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Ha ha that's some stat, interesting.

It is time to move on. A few more games & you may as well forget playoffs.
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Tonight’s game is the biggest nail yet. I’m sure skippy figured his boys would come out guns a blazing, instead of the prototypical early season half assed commitment. I’m sure the suits were taking notes.
I’m hoping Sutter gets hired because he is a call it as it is coach, and he will make sure any games below a above average effort, will be not tolerated. He is the perfect coach to push this team, and most everybody on it needs a push, to get to the level they should be playing at. You will see more than a few Rangers, after receiving a scorching honest assessment of their effort, motivated to play to their capabilities. Sutter schtick will run out like everybody else who has ever coached, but it will be fun in Ranger land in the meanwhile.
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Ha ha that's some stat, interesting.

It is time to move on. A few more games & you may as well forget playoffs.


Pretty sure last night's game was the final straw. I saw last night that at this point, we'd need to finish the season on a 103 point pace in order to finish with 96 points on the year (traditionally the cut off line to "guarantee" a playoff spot.)

I don't see how anyone can watch those games in October so far and think they can turn it around at that pace.

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I hope its the final straw...He is done. I am sick to death of the misusing of players and the sh!t effort out there
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-24 11:22 AM

The highlight of last nights game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmeYoAhw1cc


Thanks, but no thanks...I fortunately saved my eyes from this debacle.
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-24 11:22 AM

The highlight of last nights game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmeYoAhw1cc


Thanks, but no thanks...I fortunately saved my eyes from this debacle.

Haha no MSG MSG is bad
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For those of you keeping watch: he's still here!!!
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For those of you keeping watch: he's still here!!!

Dam!
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Arizona comes into the Garden winless in 9 games. If they beat the Mighty Rangers, does that seal av's fate?
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-10-25 8:36 AM

Arizona comes into the Garden winless in 9 games. If they beat the Mighty Rangers, does that seal av's fate?

It should... we hope!
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One would think a loss to a win-less team tomorrow would be just about it for AV. One would think...
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-25 9:44 AM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-10-25 8:36 AM

Arizona comes into the Garden winless in 9 games. If they beat the Mighty Rangers, does that seal av's fate?

It should... we hope!


Stepan GWG.

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Where things are with the Rangers in regards to the hot seat
Oct 25 | 7:42PM

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/where-things-are-with-the-rangers-in...

On NBCSN tonight, Bob McKenzie was asked about the Rangers and who might be on the hot seat:
•"There is no question, I think everybody. In New York, when the Rangers are playing this poorly, I think everybody from top to bottom, players, coach, manger, take your pick. There is no question that Alain Vigneault is getting a lot of the focal point here."
•"My take on the Rangers is simply this, they are disappointed that they haven't done better but they kinda think that if Henrik Lundqvist was a little better, if a couple of things were tweaked just a little bit, could we be a .500 team right now? Sure, we probably could, but they are not. .500 is a pretty low bar for a team that has had as many 100 point seasons recently as the Rangers."
•"While they are not as good as they hoped they would be, they are in that mode where the defense is questionable, they traded Stepan and center is a weak position. There are severe questions asked about this Rangers team to see, and I think management is looking at it. All I know is this, if this carries on for a long period of time, it's New York, something has to give and I would suggest a trade would happen before the coach would be on the hot seat."

Adam Rotter: I don't believe Alain Vigneault is on the hot seat...yet and I certainly do not think he is in any real danger of losing his job

Really Adam...Wow !

I can hear the chants already MES-SI-ER, MES-SI-ER, MES-SI-ER

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I agree with Adam, AV will not be fired even if they lose to the Yotes.
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I don't think he will be fired with a loss. But he'll be closer.

The extension he signed gives him a little slack. Management would be hesitant to sign him to an extension and then have to fire him 70 games later. Looks bad on everyone. Then again so does 2-6-2
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This is what happens when you have Dolan and Sather around and a full building every night....They don't care...Sather is what? 85 by now?
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I don't think he will be fired with a loss. But he'll be closer.

The extension he signed gives him a little slack. Management would be hesitant to sign him to an extension and then have to fire him 70 games later. Looks bad on everyone. Then again so does 2-6-2


Has it already been 70 games....extension was giving in January.
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His signing for that short a extension was a win for the Rangers. He was not entering this year on a expiring contract. They kept themselves out of a long term contract knowing double mint was reaching the expiration date all coaches do. it was a reward for services rendered and looks good on everyone and doesn't have any negative connotation when they fire his ass. It would have looked a lot worse not giving him some type of extension. In the world of recycled failures in the NHL he and his contract will be scooped up quickly by some other team.
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Next year
Fire : Sather , Gorton and AV, Ruff, Arniel
Hire : John Davidson’s as Pres and GM, Maloney as Asst, Jim Montgomery coach, Leetch Asst, Sheldon Keefe Asst
Keep : B. Allaire
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The good news is the media is starting to talk about a coaching change. At least now there wouldn’t be as many Monday morning QB’s piling on Gorton for canning him. A ugly loss tonight would accelerate the process.
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Spider3WideBanana - 2017-10-26 10:58 AM

Next year
Fire : Sather , Gorton and AV, Ruff, Arniel
Hire : John Davidson’s as Pres and GM, Maloney as Asst, Jim Montgomery coach, Leetch Asst, Sheldon Keefe Asst
Keep : B. Allaire

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Next year
Fire : Sather , Gorton and AV, Ruff, Arniel
Hire : John Davidson’s as Pres and GM, Maloney as Asst, Jim Montgomery coach, Leetch Asst, Sheldon Keefe Asst
Keep : B. Allaire


Sorry, I'd want Allaire gone also.
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His signing for that short a extension was a win for the Rangers. He was not entering this year on a expiring contract. They kept themselves out of a long term contract knowing double mint was reaching the expiration date all coaches do. it was a reward for services rendered and looks good on everyone and doesn't have any negative connotation when they fire his ass. It would have looked a lot worse not giving him some type of extension. In the world of recycled failures in the NHL he and his contract will be scooped up quickly by some other team.


2 years (to me) is not a short extension. This would have been the final year of his contract.
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Tonight's loser gets the participation badge
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-25 9:44 AM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-10-25 8:36 AM

Arizona comes into the Garden winless in 9 games. If they beat the Mighty Rangers, does that seal av's fate?

It should... we hope!


Stepan GWG.



Hahaha could you imagine!!
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Rranger - 2017-10-26 12:19 PM

His signing for that short a extension was a win for the Rangers. He was not entering this year on a expiring contract. They kept themselves out of a long term contract knowing double mint was reaching the expiration date all coaches do. it was a reward for services rendered and looks good on everyone and doesn't have any negative connotation when they fire his ass. It would have looked a lot worse not giving him some type of extension. In the world of recycled failures in the NHL he and his contract will be scooped up quickly by some other team.


2 years (to me) is not a short extension. This would have been the final year of his contract.





Coach contracts are typically 3 years. I should have said Vigneault would not have been happy entering this season on a expiring contract, as it was his last season on his original contract.
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Mjolnir - 2017-10-26 10:54 AM

Rranger - 2017-10-26 12:19 PM

His signing for that short a extension was a win for the Rangers. He was not entering this year on a expiring contract. They kept themselves out of a long term contract knowing double mint was reaching the expiration date all coaches do. it was a reward for services rendered and looks good on everyone and doesn't have any negative connotation when they fire his ass. It would have looked a lot worse not giving him some type of extension. In the world of recycled failures in the NHL he and his contract will be scooped up quickly by some other team.


2 years (to me) is not a short extension. This would have been the final year of his contract.





Coach contracts are typically 3 years. I should have said Vigneault would not have been happy entering this season on a expiring contract, as it was his last season on his original contract.

After what he's done, it would have been fitting.

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concust - 2017-10-26 10:46 AM

I don't think he will be fired with a loss. But he'll be closer.

The extension he signed gives him a little slack. Management would be hesitant to sign him to an extension and then have to fire him 70 games later. Looks bad on everyone. Then again so does 2-6-2


Has it already been 70 games....extension was giving in January.


I overestimated. Figured extension was at about the ASG, which is usually about half. Rangers schedule must have been top heavy last year.

Only 54 games -
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Haha with the Yankees firing Girardi, the longest tenured head coach in NY is AV.

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Haha with the Yankees firing Girardi, the longest tenured head coach in NY is AV.



4 months ago, the NY sports scene had 2 Girardi's.....now there are none.
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Haha with the Yankees firing Girardi, the longest tenured head coach in NY is AV.


Girardi gets fired for winning too much....AV gets extensions for being mediocre
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An oldie but a goodie!

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An oldie but a goodie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC0wd6tbt9k

Yep that was a pretty good one...Rangers found their niche...They make funny commercials
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I dont care what anyone says, AV has done a lousy job of having this team prepared to start games. Not just this year either! This has been a trend now for a few years. His constant juggling of lines is the main reason that does dont get to gel. He even takes lines that ARE working and breaks them up hoping to get another line hot. He ABSOLUTELY wants nothing to do with newcomers and rookies. He's infatuated with Staal, sitting guys like D'Angelo, Holden, and Kampfer. He played Chytyl a total of 51/2 minutes and determined he wasnt ready despite not using him in situations the kid did very well in the preseason(PP). D'Angelo has either sat or was used less than 5 minutes a game, on this basis he was sent to Hartford. Duh!! Lets not get into the 11 forwards and 7 D line-ups. How the Fruk do lines build chemistry in that set-up??

Yet the Azzwipe calling the shots is doing just that still. It appears that he is here for much longer than this team can afford. I see this season heading right down the sh***er REAL fast. Settle in, its going to be a real rough season
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Can you imagine the Daryl Sutter squad show?


Right!?
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Lives to coach another game.

Fiddlesticks!
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jobat317 - 2017-10-26 4:42 PM

I dont care what anyone says, AV has done a lousy job of having this team prepared to start games. Not just this year either! This has been a trend now for a few years. His constant juggling of lines is the main reason that does dont get to gel. He even takes lines that ARE working and breaks them up hoping to get another line hot. He ABSOLUTELY wants nothing to do with newcomers and rookies. He's infatuated with Staal, sitting guys like D'Angelo, Holden, and Kampfer. He played Chytyl a total of 51/2 minutes and determined he wasnt ready despite not using him in situations the kid did very well in the preseason(PP). D'Angelo has either sat or was used less than 5 minutes a game, on this basis he was sent to Hartford. Duh!! Lets not get into the 11 forwards and 7 D line-ups. How the Fruk do lines build chemistry in that set-up??

Yet the Azzwipe calling the shots is doing just that still. It appears that he is here for much longer than this team can afford. I see this season heading right down the sh***er REAL fast. Settle in, its going to be a real rough season

Right on the money bro
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concust - 2017-10-26 2:55 PM


Haha with the Yankees firing Girardi, the longest tenured head coach in NY is AV.


Girardi gets fired for winning too much....AV gets extensions for being mediocre


Girardi didn't get fired. His contract was up and they chose not to extend or renew.
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concust - 2017-10-26 2:55 PM


Haha with the Yankees firing Girardi, the longest tenured head coach in NY is AV.


Girardi gets fired for winning too much....AV gets extensions for being mediocre


Girardi didn't get fired. His contract was up and they chose not to extend or renew.

True...but they were not going to let him manage another game either
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rjpny75 - 2017-10-27 8:32 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-26 5:52 PM

concust - 2017-10-26 2:55 PM


Haha with the Yankees firing Girardi, the longest tenured head coach in NY is AV.


Girardi gets fired for winning too much....AV gets extensions for being mediocre


Girardi didn't get fired. His contract was up and they chose not to extend or renew.

True...but they were not going to let him manage another game either





It’s splitting hairs. They don’t want him is the end result. Fired, choose not to renew, laid off, it all adds up to bye bye.
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We are going to be saying it, it is time for a change. A few more games the season is lost. You are not going to jump over that many teams in today's NHL.
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If we're going to tank, I want to tank Edmonton-style. Don't want to pick 15th again.



Why? We'd only pick a dud (see McIlrath and Jessiman).
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If we're going to tank, I want to tank Edmonton-style. Don't want to pick 15th again.



Why? We'd only pick a dud (see McIlrath and Jessiman).


Simple - the 10-15 spot is brutal. Just enough variance between scouts so that GMs think that they can "beat the system" and get someone that should have gone higher. Top-5 picks are generally consensus top 5 picks. So, much less chance of screwing up.

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concust - 2017-10-27 9:33 AM

If we're going to tank, I want to tank Edmonton-style. Don't want to pick 15th again.



Why? We'd only pick a dud (see McIlrath and Jessiman).


Simple - the 10-15 spot is brutal. Just enough variance between scouts so that GMs think that they can "beat the system" and get someone that should have gone higher. Top-5 picks are generally consensus top 5 picks. So, much less chance of screwing up.



Unless you pick Pavel Brendl with the 4th overall. In defense of that pick, 1999 was one of the worst drafts ever. The only top tier talent were the Sedin twins and Zetterberg (picked 210 overall). Knowing our luck, we pick #1 overall in 2018 and get a Patrik Stefan.

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My money's on the ax falling after we lose to Vegas on Tuesday.

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Steady Eddie - 2017-10-29 11:01 AM

My money's on the ax falling after we lose to Vegas on Tuesday.


Let's hope
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Steady Eddie - 2017-10-29 11:01 AM

My money's on the ax falling after we lose to Vegas on Tuesday.


Let's hope








As a add in and to your point.


http://nypost.com/2017/10/29/alain-vigneault-may-have-one-game-left...

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Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.
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Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.

Keenan...since he made all the decisions because Neil Smith was a wimp....would have traded the whole team by now for guys much older.
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NTHockey - 2017-10-29 1:09 PM

Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.

Keenan...since he made all the decisions because Neil Smith was a wimp....would have traded the whole team by now for guys much older.
keenan wanted to unretire Tom Borasso and trade Mike Richter.
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AV's days are #ed, this is obvious. Once the players start saying "it is on us, the players", that's the end of the coach, they stopped playing for the coach, the message is lost, ignored, not getting thru, whatever.

The only question now is who takes over? And, what type of a team we see after this change, style, playing time, etc...
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Blue404 - 2017-10-29 5:57 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-29 3:15 PM

NTHockey - 2017-10-29 1:09 PM

Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.

Keenan...since he made all the decisions because Neil Smith was a wimp....would have traded the whole team by now for guys much older.
keenan wanted to unretire Tom Borasso and trade Mike Richter.

Yep...Keenan and Neil Smith should never be welcome back at MSG or the NYR Family
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Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.
Francis and Bowman would never have had a roster that resembles this one in any shape or form.
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Blue404 - 2017-10-29 4:57 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-29 3:15 PM

NTHockey - 2017-10-29 1:09 PM

Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.

Keenan...since he made all the decisions because Neil Smith was a wimp....would have traded the whole team by now for guys much older.
keenan wanted to unretire Tom Borasso and trade Mike Richter.






Talk about a loose cannon.
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Posted 2017-10-30 4:30 AM (#685534 - in reply to #683557)
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Report: There is a lot of "chatter" the Rangers may make a coaching change soon
Oct 29 | 2:47PM

Larry Brooks writes that there is "considerable chatter circulating within the industry" that Tuesday's game against Las Vegas may determine Alain Vigneault's fate as Rangers coach. (NY Post)

Brooks says that if a change is made then it's likely that Lindy Ruff would be promoted from assistant to head coach. (NY Post)

He said that Ruff would make sense on an "interim" basis but that the next permanent coach of the Rangers would have to be strong in "teaching, developing, communicating with and empowering young players. That's the future of this league. "(NY Post)

Vigneault is under contract through 19-20 after the Rangers extended his contract last season.

The Rangers fired John Tortorella in 2013 after extending his contract.

Adam Rotter: I'm an Alain Vigneault fan and think that his previous success with the Rangers should get him a much longer leash than the one he is on. That said, I felt the same way about John Tortorella and he was fired only a couple of hours after I assumed he would return as coach.

I don't necessarily believe that a coach's job should be tied to one specific game and that if the Rangers are thinking about firing Alain Vigneault then they should do it. How much time would a win on Tuesday buy Vigneault? A day? A week? The season?

Alain Vigneault definitely deserves some blame for how the season has started but he isn't the one on the ice turning the puck over or finishing second in puck battles. I don't think the players have quit on Vigneault and the fact that they keep battling back in games, at least to me, indicates that.

Whether I would agree with the decision or not doesn't really matter, if this is the move the organization feels will shake things up, get the Rangers out of their funk and put them in a position to contend again, then they should do it.
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Rranger - 2017-10-29 9:16 PM

Blue404 - 2017-10-29 4:57 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-29 3:15 PM

NTHockey - 2017-10-29 1:09 PM

Just to torture myself some more (Ranger fan since the early 50's). I thought how would Mike Keenan or Emile Francis or even Scotty Bowman have handled these players. I'm thinking they would either ship them all out, commit suicide or find a way to turn it around.

Keenan...since he made all the decisions because Neil Smith was a wimp....would have traded the whole team by now for guys much older.
keenan wanted to unretire Tom Borasso and trade Mike Richter.



Talk about a loose cannon.


Keenan also wanted to talk Potvin out of retirement to play for us.....talk about blasphemy!
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Haha and Keenan would of took Gilberts #7 down and gave it to Potvin....On another note from above...Adam Rotter...Either he doesnt watch the games or he is AV's nephew....WTF?
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Pierre McGuire on the state of the Rangers right now
10/30/17
9:35AM: On TSN1200 in Ottawa, Pierre McGuire spoke about the Rangers and said:
•Is Vigneault in trouble if things don't turn around, "I would say not just him but the entire organization is going to be scrutinized. It's not just the coach, management group will be scrutinized as well by ownership and the President, Glen Sather. There will be a lot of scrutiny there. Part of it is that the defense is not particularly good right now, letting Dan Girardi go, I don't know if that was wise, he was a very important part of the fabric of that team. Lundqvist has not been great, we have talked about Ondrej Pavelec and some of the great saves he made on Saturday night and some that weren't so great. There is clearly a void down the middle. Mika Zibanejad has had a tremendous start to the year but you can see that not having Derek Stepan there has really hurt them. They've got some internal things that have set them back, there is no question."

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Posted 2017-10-30 11:41 AM (#685542 - in reply to #683557)
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There are stories of trading in no particular order, Zuccarello, Kreider, and McDonagh which are all a joke considering the value you’d need back to trade any one of them. If Gorton trades to trade and doesn’t make a good one he’s toast in the spring. He better be smart enough to know, considering the present state of the team, that a coaching change has less personal reputation risk, than a trade not working out. It’s pretty much a substantial mood of public opinion the coach has to go. Not many will overly criticize a coaching change, but it also has to be viewed as the new long term coach is a improvement or the new coach is a fillin for the season, when other candidates might be available. Right now IMO it’s Sutter or a fill in for the rest of the season guy and make moves geared for a bounce back next season.
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More coaching moves. Tonights probable lineup. This should fix everything, yup. Dumbo breaks up Grabner. Buch, Nieves and Hayes, Fast, and Vesey. The only two lines with some chemistry. Nobody was good against Montreal so cue the blender.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Rick Nash, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello
Jimmy Vesey, David Desharnais, JT Miller
Michael Grabner, Boo Nieves, Jesper Fast
Ryan McDonagh & Brendan Smith, Steven Kampfer & Marc Staal, Brady Skjei & Kevin Shattenkirk
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https://www.nhl.com/news/rangers-seeking-better-play-from-henrik-lun...
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Hopefully Kreider is traded by the time tonight’s hockey match starts
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Now that he is 35 I don’t think you can expect him to be the old Henrik....he’s got a billion miles on him ...he is what he is at this point
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The old Henrik, is now the OLD Henrik
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The old Henrik, is now the OLD Henrik

hahaha lol yep
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Rranger - 2017-10-31 1:07 PM

More coaching moves. Tonights probable lineup. This should fix everything, yup. Dumbo breaks up Grabner. Buch, Nieves and Hayes, Fast, and Vesey. The only two lines with some chemistry. Nobody was good against Montreal so cue the blender.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Rick Nash, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello
Jimmy Vesey, David Desharnais, JT Miller
Michael Grabner, Boo Nieves, Jesper Fast
Ryan McDonagh & Brendan Smith, Steven Kampfer & Marc Staal, Brady Skjei & Kevin Shattenkirk


Typical AV crap. Sometimes you have to let the lines suffer through a bad game, show them video and allow them to react and learn from the bad game. That's how they build chemistry.

You don't pay a guy millions to just have him mix and match lines endlessly hoping to STUMBLE upon the right combination. Any friggin' idiot with a PlayStation and a controller can do that. You pay coaches to use their knowledge, instincts and experience to evaluate players and put them in a position to succeed. Under the heading of "Job Description" for any coach is that phrase in bold. It is here, the most vital aspect of coaching, that AV has failed miserably.

#FireAV
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Rangers will likely be facing a 4th string goalie tonight, making his first NHL start. At home. A loss tonight should end the AV Reign of Suck.
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Buch goes from 1st to 4th, back to 1st. Vesey goes from being benched for the final 25 minutes of last game to 3rd line.

I think av just puts names in a hat and sees what he pulls out to make his lines
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PV29 - 2017-10-31 1:45 PM

Rranger - 2017-10-31 1:07 PM

More coaching moves. Tonights probable lineup. This should fix everything, yup. Dumbo breaks up Grabner. Buch, Nieves and Hayes, Fast, and Vesey. The only two lines with some chemistry. Nobody was good against Montreal so cue the blender.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Rick Nash, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello
Jimmy Vesey, David Desharnais, JT Miller
Michael Grabner, Boo Nieves, Jesper Fast
Ryan McDonagh & Brendan Smith, Steven Kampfer & Marc Staal, Brady Skjei & Kevin Shattenkirk


Typical AV crap. Sometimes you have to let the lines suffer through a bad game, show them video and allow them to react and learn from the bad game. That's how they build chemistry.

You don't pay a guy millions to just have him mix and match lines endlessly hoping to STUMBLE upon the right combination. Any friggin' idiot with a PlayStation and a controller can do that. You pay coaches to use their knowledge, instincts and experience to evaluate players and put them in a position to succeed. Under the heading of "Job Description" for any coach is that phrase in bold. It is here, the most vital aspect of coaching, that AV has failed miserably.

#FireAV






You nailed it he mixes and blends every time they lose. Which lately is often. He has a narcissistic belief his line juggling will fix all. Meanwhile we go into tonight with three new lines and a fourth Zibanejad’s he has broken up how many times going back to last year. No wonder the players have tuned him out. This is a Vancouver Canuck double mint coaching replay.
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Has Av landed safely in his hometown?
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O-6 Should help him get home faster.
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I have confidence Tampa is going to put the boots to the Rangers tonight. When is the last time the Rangers beat a good team? I know Vegas has a good record and deserves credit but they will bottom out. The Rangers have two choices to get this thing back on the rails, one, fire dim wit, two, make significant personnel changes on defense. Changes to the defense personnel won't be easy so, considering their response to double mints teaching and coaching methods, it is best to try a new coach, with a style of play that simplifies the defensive responsibilities, and more so limits the offensive freedoms. They need to get back to a simple game to get their confidence back and some structure. Right now its a shut show back there. Shattenkirk and Smith have some major work ahead of themselves, to give Ranger management a good reason to hang onto them and not move them at the earliest convenience. Both are looking every bit like major signing blunders. Their only salvation is a new voice and philosophy behind the bench. Good work on the outs on both their contracts, Smith any time, and Shattenkirk starting next season. At least Gorton saw the wisdom in contract "outs" if needed.
But you just can't start firing new signees out the door, because they struggle, especially since most of the team is struggling. Double mint is making the finger pointing very easy.
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You get a coach who actually has a defensive scheme, you don't have to change the personnel.
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You get a coach who actually has a defensive scheme, you don't have to change the personnel.


Agree 100%. Shattenkirk is certainly not a defensive defenseman, that was a given when we went after him. But for him to look this bad, for McD to look as bad as he has and even for Skjei to have been as inconsistent as he has in his own end says more about the system than about the players themselves, imho.

In this system, you're even seeing Staal and Smith deep in the offensive zone far more than you'd ever want either to go given their offensive shortcomings.

The sooner AV's gone, the easier this team will be to watch again.

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You get a coach who actually has a defensive scheme, you don't have to change the personnel.


This. I'm not ready to throw any of these defensemen under the bus right now. They aren't all terrible but they all look it right now. I didn't know scramble was a system.
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Mjolnir - 2017-11-02 10:43 AM

You get a coach who actually has a defensive scheme, you don't have to change the personnel.


Agree 100%. Shattenkirk is certainly not a defensive defenseman, that was a given when we went after him. But for him to look this bad, for McD to look as bad as he has and even for Skjei to have been as inconsistent as he has in his own end says more about the system than about the players themselves, imho.

In this system, you're even seeing Staal and Smith deep in the offensive zone far more than you'd ever want either to go given their offensive shortcomings.

The sooner AV's gone, the easier this team will be to watch again.



A friend made an interesting observation about Mcd - he said that McD must be dealing with some kind of minor injury which is the only explanation for him having so many "maintenance days" this early in the season.
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Mjolnir - 2017-11-02 6:10 PM

sureshore - 2017-11-02 1:27 PM

Mjolnir - 2017-11-02 10:43 AM

You get a coach who actually has a defensive scheme, you don't have to change the personnel.


Agree 100%. Shattenkirk is certainly not a defensive defenseman, that was a given when we went after him. But for him to look this bad, for McD to look as bad as he has and even for Skjei to have been as inconsistent as he has in his own end says more about the system than about the players themselves, imho.

In this system, you're even seeing Staal and Smith deep in the offensive zone far more than you'd ever want either to go given their offensive shortcomings.

The sooner AV's gone, the easier this team will be to watch again.



A friend made an interesting observation about Mcd - he said that McD must be dealing with some kind of minor injury which is the only explanation for him having so many "maintenance days" this early in the season.


I have noticed this also - he's had 3 so far this season.

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Didn't know where else to put this... but I just noticed a happy little stats.

Rangers are the 3rd highest scoring team in the league.

No one but Tampa (who we beat during this 5 game winning streak, allowing only 1 goal against)

And Toronto

Have more goals than us.
Yes, teams have played fewer games.... but they're on the right track.

Also: Kevin Shattenkirk is 2nd on the team in points behind Zibanejad.... 1 point behind Zibanejad.... and before anyone brings up the usless +/-
Zibanejad also has a worse +/- than Shattenkirk, even though he has more points.... so does Zuccarello, with fewer points.

Smith, is a +2 while Kampfer is a -3...


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Didn't know where else to put this... but I just noticed a happy little stats.

Rangers are the 3rd highest scoring team in the league.

No one but Tampa (who we beat during this 5 game winning streak, allowing only 1 goal against)

And Toronto

Have more goals than us.
Yes, teams have played fewer games.... but they're on the right track.

Also: Kevin Shattenkirk is 2nd on the team in points behind Zibanejad.... 1 point behind Zibanejad.... and before anyone brings up the usless +/-
Zibanejad also has a worse +/- than Shattenkirk, even though he has more points.... so does Zuccarello, with fewer points.

Smith, is a +2 while Kampfer is a -3...


If +/- is useless, why are you pointing it out??
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Kinda funny how when stats go against our "favorite" players, they are called "useless". But, then we will use those same "useless" stats to show how our "favorite" players aren't really that bad!!

Comical
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-10 3:52 PM

Kinda funny how when stats go against our "favorite" players, they are called "useless". But, then we will use those same "useless" stats to show how our "favorite" players aren't really that bad!!

Comical

You'd be surprised how many posters here consistently criticize the said stat regardless of where they stand in an argument.

One senior resident here -- yes that's you Sammye -- always brings up Marek Malik and his ridiculous +/-.
Which, in turn, "brings" up his blood pressure
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Don't start with The Leak and his so-called +30...we all know it was a fraud...all you had to do was watch him.
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-10 9:42 AM

robstones - 2017-11-10 6:56 AM

Didn't know where else to put this... but I just noticed a happy little stats.

Rangers are the 3rd highest scoring team in the league.

No one but Tampa (who we beat during this 5 game winning streak, allowing only 1 goal against)

And Toronto

Have more goals than us.
Yes, teams have played fewer games.... but they're on the right track.

Also: Kevin Shattenkirk is 2nd on the team in points behind Zibanejad.... 1 point behind Zibanejad.... and before anyone brings up the usless +/-
Zibanejad also has a worse +/- than Shattenkirk, even though he has more points.... so does Zuccarello, with fewer points.

Smith, is a +2 while Kampfer is a -3...


If +/- is useless, why are you pointing it out??


Because I've seen it used against Shatt on message boards...

I think we can agree that McDonagh hasn't been great on D this year.... but he's somehow among the best on the team in +/-

That would suggest McD has been playing up to par, but my eyes tell me otherwise.

Smith is a +2, and yet he sits.... because he hasn't been good
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You are absolutely right, The D all together has not been good this year, or even last year. They have played better the last few games, so hopefully it keeps moving in the right direction.

Not defending McD's play this year at all, but, he does play many more minutes than Shatt. There is a reason why Shatt is the ONLY Dman to not play on the PK, and the only Dman who is off the ice for the final 2-3 minutes of a game when protecting the lead.

Shatt has offensive abilities for sure, but don't mistake that for him being a good Dman.
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Shatt is also not matched up against top lines, McD is always against the top lines
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Mjolnir - 2017-11-10 8:17 PM

Don't start with The Leak and his so-called +30...we all know it was a fraud...all you had to do was watch him.

No argument from me. I know how much you like The Leak and his good buddy Rosy Wall...
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I guess if your defensive plan when you have a lead is never get the puck out of your own end then I wouldn't play Shatt either.
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-10 3:02 PM

Shatt is also not matched up against top lines, McD is always against the top lines


Shattenkirk (and either McD or Skjei) are always on when we are a goal or 2 down and pull the goalie and get scored on into the empty net. Shows up as a minus on the score sheet and it probably shouldn't (as maybe getting scored on defending against it shouldn't either). If I am caring about plus/minus, I always hated that 'empty net' aspect of it.
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sureshore - 2017-11-10 3:51 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-10 3:02 PM

Shatt is also not matched up against top lines, McD is always against the top lines


Shattenkirk (and either McD or Skjei) are always on when we are a goal or 2 down and pull the goalie and get scored on into the empty net. Shows up as a minus on the score sheet and it probably shouldn't (as maybe getting scored on defending against it shouldn't either). If I am caring about plus/minus, I always hated that 'empty net' aspect of it.


Does it count against them? That would be stupid since the goal doesn't count against a goalie's GAA.
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sureshore - 2017-11-10 3:51 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-10 3:02 PM

Shatt is also not matched up against top lines, McD is always against the top lines


Shattenkirk (and either McD or Skjei) are always on when we are a goal or 2 down and pull the goalie and get scored on into the empty net. Shows up as a minus on the score sheet and it probably shouldn't (as maybe getting scored on defending against it shouldn't either). If I am caring about plus/minus, I always hated that 'empty net' aspect of it.


Does it count against them? That would be stupid since the goal doesn't count against a goalie's GAA.
It sure does.
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The D the last 2 years is really bad, I agree. It is interesting, the D was great, they couldn't score. Now, the D is bad, they can score. I guess if they put the 2 together we would be singing a diff tune, but that's the way it is.

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The D the last 2 years is really bad, I agree. It is interesting, the D was great, they couldn't score. Now, the D is bad, they can score. I guess if they put the 2 together we would be singing a diff tune, but that's the way it is.


The D has been bad since AV got here. The first 3 years it was propped up by good goaltending. Just look at shots against, scoring chances, medium danger and high danger scoring chances. The Rangers have been one of the if not the worst the last 4+ years. On the penalty kill they have been the worst. The only difference is good goaltending vs bad goaltending. AV killed the team's defense the moment he arrived.
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McD is first among skaters averaging 23:10 of ice time
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sureshore - 2017-11-10 1:51 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-10 3:02 PM

Shatt is also not matched up against top lines, McD is always against the top lines


Shattenkirk (and either McD or Skjei) are always on when we are a goal or 2 down and pull the goalie and get scored on into the empty net. Shows up as a minus on the score sheet and it probably shouldn't (as maybe getting scored on defending against it shouldn't either). If I am caring about plus/minus, I always hated that 'empty net' aspect of it.


I agree
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Posted 2017-11-10 5:37 PM (#687269 - in reply to #683557)
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All I know is if they are on the PK Shatt is not out there

If they are protecting a 1 goal lead with about 3 minutes to go Shatt is not out there.

Need a goal he's out there, have to prevent, he's on the bench
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Posted 2017-11-10 5:47 PM (#687270 - in reply to #687262)
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Mjolnir - 2017-11-10 2:28 PM

sureshore - 2017-11-10 3:51 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-10 3:02 PM

Shatt is also not matched up against top lines, McD is always against the top lines


Shattenkirk (and either McD or Skjei) are always on when we are a goal or 2 down and pull the goalie and get scored on into the empty net. Shows up as a minus on the score sheet and it probably shouldn't (as maybe getting scored on defending against it shouldn't either). If I am caring about plus/minus, I always hated that 'empty net' aspect of it.


Does it count against them? That would be stupid since the goal doesn't count against a goalie's GAA.


Although I completely agree with you, I don't see how this matters with McD facing top lines, while Shatt doesn't
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Vua - 2017-11-10 4:17 PM

LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-11-10 3:50 PM

The D the last 2 years is really bad, I agree. It is interesting, the D was great, they couldn't score. Now, the D is bad, they can score. I guess if they put the 2 together we would be singing a diff tune, but that's the way it is.


The D has been bad since AV got here. The first 3 years it was propped up by good goaltending. Just look at shots against, scoring chances, medium danger and high danger scoring chances. The Rangers have been one of the if not the worst the last 4+ years. On the penalty kill they have been the worst. The only difference is good goaltending vs bad goaltending. AV killed the team's defense the moment he arrived.


That's true, Hank covered up a lot of D-problems & holes. But, now, he is 36 & not getting any younger.
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I don't even understand this argument. What is the premise, that Shattenkirk isn't good defensively?

What does "defensively" even mean? You look a guy like Karlsson, he's not a hitter, he's not crease clearer, but he has gotten better and better, especially in recent years, in a number of "defensive" aspects -

Transition of the puck out of the defensive zone and maintaining team possession (not throwing it off the glass and turning it over)
Skating the puck through the neutral zone to gain an offensive zone entry
Using his skating and puck abilities along with his offensive skill, to keep the puck in the offensive zone

Not one of those things is blocking shots, clearing the crease, winning a board battle, but they all contribute much more to this concept of defense than a Girardi type, even in his prime.

Shattenkirk is no Karlsson but the idea is the same - the defense that Shattenkirk provides is through puck support and possession, rather than shot blocking and crease clearing. That doesn't make it any less defensive, where the idea is to limit shots and keep the puck out of your net. What better way to do that than by offensive zone pressure?

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Like it or not, job is pretty safe now.
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I don't even understand this argument. What is the premise, that Shattenkirk isn't good defensively?

What does "defensively" even mean? You look a guy like Karlsson, he's not a hitter, he's not crease clearer, but he has gotten better and better, especially in recent years, in a number of "defensive" aspects -

Transition of the puck out of the defensive zone and maintaining team possession (not throwing it off the glass and turning it over)
Skating the puck through the neutral zone to gain an offensive zone entry
Using his skating and puck abilities along with his offensive skill, to keep the puck in the offensive zone

Not one of those things is blocking shots, clearing the crease, winning a board battle, but they all contribute much more to this concept of defense than a Girardi type, even in his prime.

Shattenkirk is no Karlsson but the idea is the same - the defense that Shattenkirk provides is through puck support and possession, rather than shot blocking and crease clearing. That doesn't make it any less defensive, where the idea is to limit shots and keep the puck out of your net. What better way to do that than by offensive zone pressure?



I agree that the defensive idea is to limit shots and keep the puck out of your net....

This is why Shatt does not play the PK, and why he was off the ice for the final 4 minutes of todays game....
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I don't see Shatt do any of those things you say are part of his defensive play, especially (skating, and puck abilities to keep the puck in the offensive zone) except on the PP.

He has 5 assists at even strength in 18 games, where McD has 9.. Shatt is good on the PP, but thats all as far as I can see, and apparently AV agrees!!

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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-11 7:22 PM

I don't see Shatt do any of those things you say are part of his defensive play, especially (skating, and puck abilities to keep the puck in the offensive zone) except on the PP.

He has 5 assists at even strength in 18 games, where McD has 9.. Shatt is good on the PP, but thats all as far as I can see, and apparently AV agrees!!


So Shattenkirk has the same number of even strength points as Zibanejad (8) 1 more than Buchnevich. And 2 of McDonagh's 9 assists are on empty net goals so we're going to treat them like PP points and toss them aside. Now Shatt has 8 even strength points and McDonagh has 7. I'm sure his goals aren't as important as a secondary assist from McDonagh but you have to count them.
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Posted 2017-11-12 7:15 AM (#687386 - in reply to #683557)
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Let's forget the assists.... though he's set up some great plays....

Shattenkirk is also tied with Kreider at 5 goals...

More goals than Vesey which 2 of his 4 goals came in one game.
More goals than Miller, Zuccs, and Hayes.

Or, let's put it another way

Girardi: 17gp 0g 3a 3pts
Stepan: 19gp 2g 6a 8pts
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G+Step: 18gp 2g 9a 11pts


Shattenkirk: 18gp 5g 12a 17pts

So 3 more goals, 3 more assists for 6 more points than Step and Girardi combined.... two guys who had A's on their sweaters for how long? Last year's top line center and top pair D-man

He's not the perfect player, I'm afraid. He has some flaws to his game.... But the good out weighs the bad. The Rangers power play is 3rd best in the league right now! It is a big reason for this 6 game winning streak.... why are we throwing those points away?

We're taking the power play for granted all the sudden??? After years and years of having a TERRIBLE power play, we're saying those points are worth less???
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-11 8:22 PM

I don't see Shatt do any of those things you say are part of his defensive play, especially (skating, and puck abilities to keep the puck in the offensive zone) except on the PP.

He has 5 assists at even strength in 18 games, where McD has 9.. Shatt is good on the PP, but thats all as far as I can see, and apparently AV agrees!!


Bottom line is, if his presence creates more opportunities than he's yielding then what difference does it make whether he plays PK or not?

He's currently tied for 2nd in NHL for points among defensemen
Tied for 1st in NHL for PP points among defensemen
2nd on NYR in points scored
Leads NYR in primary assists
Leads NYR in 5v5 shot blocks
NYR PP is 25.8%, 3rd in NHL (he basically fixed the pp we've been b!tching about for years)

A PP goal counts just as much as a 5v5 goal right?

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Let's forget the assists.... though he's set up some great plays....

Shattenkirk is also tied with Kreider at 5 goals...

More goals than Vesey which 2 of his 4 goals came in one game.
More goals than Miller, Zuccs, and Hayes.

Or, let's put it another way

Girardi: 17gp 0g 3a 3pts
Stepan: 19gp 2g 6a 8pts
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G+Step: 18gp 2g 9a 11pts


Shattenkirk: 18gp 5g 12a 17pts

So 3 more goals, 3 more assists for 6 more points than Step and Girardi combined.... two guys who had A's on their sweaters for how long? Last year's top line center and top pair D-man

He's not the perfect player, I'm afraid. He has some flaws to his game.... But the good out weighs the bad. The Rangers power play is 3rd best in the league right now! It is a big reason for this 6 game winning streak.... why are we throwing those points away?

We're taking the power play for granted all the sudden??? After years and years of having a TERRIBLE power play, we're saying those points are worth less???


Oh please....Stepan was never a 1st line center!!
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concust - 2017-11-12 10:29 AM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-11 8:22 PM

I don't see Shatt do any of those things you say are part of his defensive play, especially (skating, and puck abilities to keep the puck in the offensive zone) except on the PP.

He has 5 assists at even strength in 18 games, where McD has 9.. Shatt is good on the PP, but thats all as far as I can see, and apparently AV agrees!!


Bottom line is, if his presence creates more opportunities than he's yielding then what difference does it make whether he plays PK or not?

He's currently tied for 2nd in NHL for points among defensemen
Tied for 1st in NHL for PP points among defensemen
2nd on NYR in points scored
Leads NYR in primary assists
Leads NYR in 5v5 shot blocks
NYR PP is 25.8%, 3rd in NHL (he basically fixed the pp we've been b!tching about for years)

A PP goal counts just as much as a 5v5 goal right?



NO! Bottom line is this, he's creating more opportunities than he's yielding, because he's not out there in crunch time!

If he's creating more than yielding he wouldn't be the highest minor player on the teams D... You see +/- is not affected on the PP!

Kampfer who almost creates NO opportunities is half the - player Shatt is...OHHH that's right +/- isn't important, because it doesn't help the argument that Shatt is a GREAT defenseman........

PLEASE!!

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Kampfer who according to many in here is an AHL dman, However AV has him on the PK and protecting a lead with 4 minutes to go..Shatt is glued to the bench in those situations....WHY?????
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You all keep mentioning the PP. That is exactly where I say Shatt has excelled..Where don't you get it?
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I also said in the preseason Shatt would have more points than Stepan...A lot of you said Stepan would get about 70 points...Rob?
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Posted 2017-11-12 11:33 AM (#687394 - in reply to #687386)
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robstones - 2017-11-12 7:15 AM

Let's forget the assists.... though he's set up some great plays....

Shattenkirk is also tied with Kreider at 5 goals...

More goals than Vesey which 2 of his 4 goals came in one game.
More goals than Miller, Zuccs, and Hayes.

Or, let's put it another way

Girardi: 17gp 0g 3a 3pts
Stepan: 19gp 2g 6a 8pts
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G+Step: 18gp 2g 9a 11pts


Shattenkirk: 18gp 5g 12a 17pts

So 3 more goals, 3 more assists for 6 more points than Step and Girardi combined.... two guys who had A's on their sweaters for how long? Last year's top line center and top pair D-man

He's not the perfect player, I'm afraid. He has some flaws to his game.... But the good out weighs the bad. The Rangers power play is 3rd best in the league right now! It is a big reason for this 6 game winning streak.... why are we throwing those points away?

We're taking the power play for granted all the sudden??? After years and years of having a TERRIBLE power play, we're saying those points are worth less???


Who said anything about taking the PP for granted??? Don't make stuff up!! Im as happy as anyone that the PP is much better, especially over the last 6 games, but, it is only 6 games, way to soon to say the PP is fixed. Points mean the same no matter how they're scored. I'm sure you would agree though that it SHOULD be easier to score when you have an advantage of outnumbering the other team right?

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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-11 8:22 PM

I don't see Shatt do any of those things you say are part of his defensive play, especially (skating, and puck abilities to keep the puck in the offensive zone) except on the PP.

He has 5 assists at even strength in 18 games, where McD has 9.. Shatt is good on the PP, but thats all as far as I can see, and apparently AV agrees!!


Bottom line is, if his presence creates more opportunities than he's yielding then what difference does it make whether he plays PK or not?

He's currently tied for 2nd in NHL for points among defensemen
Tied for 1st in NHL for PP points among defensemen
2nd on NYR in points scored
Leads NYR in primary assists
Leads NYR in 5v5 shot blocks
NYR PP is 25.8%, 3rd in NHL (he basically fixed the pp we've been b!tching about for years)

A PP goal counts just as much as a 5v5 goal right?



It matters that he's not playing the PK because, it shows what a liability he is! Why do you think he sits during the PK? Why is he on the bench in the final minutes of a game protecting a 1 goal lead? It matters because its obvious AV does not want him in those situations, which shows what his coach thinks of his defensive abilities at keeping the puck out of our net
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PP, Shatt great!! Protecting, not so much
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-12 11:26 AM

Kampfer who according to many in here is an AHL dman, However AV has him on the PK and protecting a lead with 4 minutes to go..Shatt is glued to the bench in those situations....WHY?????


The same reasoning when he puts Buch on the 4th line or Holden as a first pair defenseman or Fast in a top 6 roll. Actually the same reasoning that had Kampfer on the ice at all. Somehow we all complain about his personnel decisions, then you use 1 that YOU agree with to make your point. The most logical conclusion is our coach is a moron.
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Hahah I agree av is a moron!!

I didn't say I agree with his decision to bench Shatt when we are on the PK or the last 4 minutes or so protecting a lead...But the fact is, not only is our PP better but so is the PK over the last 6 games

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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-12 12:47 PM

Hahah I agree av is a moron!!

I didn't say I agree with his decision to bench Shatt when we are on the PK or the last 4 minutes or so protecting a lead...But the fact is, not only is our PP better but so is the PK over the last 6 games


Point taken. I shouldn't have said you agreed with it, just that you were using it. And our PK being better could be as much Lundqvist playing better as it is anything else. Not that he's been great, but better. And honestly I wouldn't play Shatt on the PK anyway. Rather use him at even strength and on the PP. I always hated AV using McDonagh as much as he did.
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-12 12:47 PM

Hahah I agree av is a moron!!

I didn't say I agree with his decision to bench Shatt when we are on the PK or the last 4 minutes or so protecting a lead...But the fact is, not only is our PP better but so is the PK over the last 6 games


Point taken. I shouldn't have said you agreed with it, just that you were using it. And our PK being better could be as much Lundqvist playing better as it is anything else. Not that he's been great, but better. And honestly I wouldn't play Shatt on the PK anyway. Rather use him at even strength and on the PP. I always hated AV using McDonagh as much as he did.




Our opinions are just that, opinions! My view of his play is my opinion, it doesn't make it truth. My problem along with most of the people in this world, is that we tend to think our opinions are truth.

I understand that a lot of people like Shatt's play, and when I criticize his play it may offend. If that's the case it wasn't my intention, just my opinion!!

We don't have to be disagreeable to disagree! I also agree with about 90% of the opinions expressed in here. So we are all good!!

Bottom line is we all want the Rangers to win!!
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Posted 2017-11-13 7:33 AM (#687404 - in reply to #687399)
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Vua - 2017-11-12 2:55 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-12 12:47 PM

Hahah I agree av is a moron!!

I didn't say I agree with his decision to bench Shatt when we are on the PK or the last 4 minutes or so protecting a lead...But the fact is, not only is our PP better but so is the PK over the last 6 games


Point taken. I shouldn't have said you agreed with it, just that you were using it. And our PK being better could be as much Lundqvist playing better as it is anything else. Not that he's been great, but better. And honestly I wouldn't play Shatt on the PK anyway. Rather use him at even strength and on the PP. I always hated AV using McDonagh as much as he did.


Right. Assume for a minute that Kampfer and Shattenkirk are equally effective on the PK. Which one do you want out there? Kampfer of course, save Shattenkirk for situations where he can drive possession, make plays, and score goals. So Kampfer being out there on the PK does not mean Shattenkirk is bad defensively. Even if Kampfer is, let's say, 5-10% worse than Shattenkirk on the PK, I'd still rather have Kampfer out there for 2:00 and save Shattenkirk for when the penalty expires and it's 5v5, or the other team takes a penalty and it's 4v4. That's how you coach and manage a team. It's basic stuff and if AV and staff can't manage to do that properly (and sometimes they can't,) they should not have a job (and I don't think they should).

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Rangerjunkie - 2017-11-12 11:26 AM

Kampfer who according to many in here is an AHL dman, However AV has him on the PK and protecting a lead with 4 minutes to go..Shatt is glued to the bench in those situations....WHY?????


The same reasoning when he puts Buch on the 4th line or Holden as a first pair defenseman or Fast in a top 6 roll. Actually the same reasoning that had Kampfer on the ice at all. Somehow we all complain about his personnel decisions, then you use 1 that YOU agree with to make your point. The most logical conclusion is our coach is a moron.
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Posted 2017-11-13 10:39 AM (#687408 - in reply to #683557)
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Not going to put Shattenkirk on the PK for the same reason Grabner doesn't see PP time.

Grabner is a good forward. Can score close to 30 goals a year! Why Doesn't he see PP time???

Shattenkirk doesn't shut down top talent. He can defend. His positioning is good. He plays with a bit of an edge. But compared to a Marc Staal, or McDonagh, he can be beat 1 on 1.

And learning a new system especially, susceptable to turn the puck over.

He's doing better though. He's no Roszival
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robstones - 2017-11-13 9:39 AM

Not going to put Shattenkirk on the PK for the same reason Grabner doesn't see PP time.

Grabner is a good forward. Can score close to 30 goals a year! Why Doesn't he see PP time???

Shattenkirk doesn't shut down top talent. He can defend. His positioning is good. He plays with a bit of an edge. But compared to a Marc Staal, or McDonagh, he can be beat 1 on 1.

And learning a new system especially, susceptable to turn the puck over.

He's doing better though. He's no Roszival






This is Shattenkirk’s eighth year in the league. Most every team uses the same systems, they all have multiple systems, some teams are better than others at switching to other systems even during games , they are usually the good teams. Shattenkirk has no excuses for turnovers caused by learning a new system, as he admits himself in this article. In other words he’s been comfortable since mid October.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/kevin-shattenkirk-...

I’ve said it before his two biggest issues are a) turnovers, he has a habit of throwing the puck away. In defence of him sometimes teammates are supposed to be where he is putting the puck. And he’s not the only dman that does it. B) he is often caught flat footed usually because of poor gap and gets beat 1 on 1 as a result. He gets beat often.

Correcting those flaws has eluded his previous coaches. He is not to old to improve those areas with some real work at it. Remains to be seen if it happens here.

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Oh, and my opinion IS truth!!!!




I gotcha!!
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I still think it will happen, deserved or not, but I'm guessing not until the offseason. There will be some options. I'm willing to bet Minnesota moves on from Boudreau, and I think there's a distinct possibility Quenneville gets ousted in Chicago.
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Av-merican - 2017-11-14 8:02 AM

I still think it will happen, deserved or not, but I'm guessing not until the offseason. There will be some options. I'm willing to bet Minnesota moves on from Boudreau, and I think there's a distinct possibility Quenneville gets ousted in Chicago.


Not after last night .....

What Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville said about the Rangers before the game last night (CHI):
•"PP is extremely hot and dangerous. A real structured team game, patient in a lot of ways. They have four really deep lines, balanced on the back end and have a real solid goaltender. They are solid, that is the way they play. They don't give you anything and they take what you give them as well."

What Blackhawks coach Joel Quenneville meant to say about the Rangers before the game last night.
•"Their PP has been extremely lucky against weak teams, The team structure is so willy nilly it amazes me that double mint still has a job, they really only have one line, The back end is so suspect that everyone in the league is laughing behind their backs at the Shattenkirk trade, Lundquist has seen better days he just isn't solid anymore and cant be counted on. They play such a soft game its ridiculous but that's the way they have always played, They give you what ever you want and will sheepishly take very little in return."

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Lucky? Come on.... The PP has been good. The team has been good.

Anisimov scored a hatty, and The Rangers had a goal taken away.... The 6 game winning streak was broken, so they lose one game, and it's back to the same crap.

Trade Lundqvist, fire everybody, the sky is falling.
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You have your extremes both ways...

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robstones - 2017-11-16 4:59 AM

Lucky? Come on.... The PP has been good. The team has been good.

Anisimov scored a hatty, and The Rangers had a goal taken away.... The 6 game winning streak was broken, so they lose one game, and it's back to the same crap.

Trade Lundqvist, fire everybody, the sky is falling.



I think the effort was a little bit short. Especially not bearing down on pretty good scoring opportunities in the first. That and a little puck luck and it could have been 3-0 when that puck slipped by Hank. Missed opportunities have a habit of coming back on you. But your not going to win 82 so onwards.
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robstones - 2017-11-16 4:59 AM

Lucky? Come on.... The PP has been good. The team has been good.

Anisimov scored a hatty, and The Rangers had a goal taken away.... The 6 game winning streak was broken, so they lose one game, and it's back to the same crap.

Trade Lundqvist, fire everybody, the sky is falling.



I think the effort was a little bit short. Especially not bearing down on pretty good scoring opportunities in the first. That and a little puck luck and it could have been 3-0 when that puck slipped by Hank. Missed opportunities have a habit of coming back on you. But your not going to win 82 so onwards.


Crawford was good, too. Especially early. They took their foot off the gas and lost a game.

The recent schedule hasn't been friendly. It's hard to keep momentum when you're off for 3 days
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Slats and other upper management taking in the Leafs/Devils game tonight.

Let the rumors commence!

Holden for JVR!
Kreider for Marner!
Zuccarello for Matthews!
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Posted 2017-11-17 12:27 PM (#687687 - in reply to #683557)
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Why was Glen Sather in Toronto watching the Leafs/Devils?

1:18PM 11/17/17

Sather was around and involved with the Legends Classic game earlier this week, which also featured former Rangers including Mark Messier, Marty St. Louis and Brad Richards.

The NHL has also been celebrating their 100th anniversary this week as well as conducting the GM meetings in Montreal.

Sather and other members of Rangers management were in Montreal recently.

Adam Rotter: My guess is that this week has been full of events and functions in Toronto related to both the Hockey Hall of Fame and the NHL100 and that Sather was still in town and took in the game. He certainly doesn't have to travel to Toronto to watch the Devils, not that the Rangers and Devils would make a move, but the Leafs are an interesting team and want to upgrade on defense. Tyler Bozak is a UFA at the end of the year and someone that the Rangers have been linked to Bozak in the past but I don't know if there is a fit in terms of a trade. While Sather isn't the GM of the Rangers anymore it's still a big deal when, for whatever reason, he is on the road and watching other teams.

full story
https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/why-was-glen-sather-in-toronto-watch...


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Slats and other upper management taking in the Leafs/Devils game tonight.

Let the rumors commence!

Holden for JVR!
Kreider for Marner!
Zuccarello for Matthews!


Bozak
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Posted 2017-11-17 2:31 PM (#687689 - in reply to #687688)
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Who's the Fukin GM of this team?
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Posted 2017-11-17 3:42 PM (#687691 - in reply to #683557)
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Holden for Bozak would be amazing if Smith can get his act together. They can have Deshernais too if they want
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No to Bozak.Does Buke have a son?

We need a good backup goalie to give us a lift when we are in crisis like Talbot & Ranta did for us in the past.
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robstones - 2017-11-16 7:59 AM

Lucky? Come on.... The PP has been good. The team has been good.

Anisimov scored a hatty, and The Rangers had a goal taken away.... The 6 game winning streak was broken, so they lose one game, and it's back to the same crap.

Trade Lundqvist, fire everybody, the sky is falling.


Back to being a .500 team, which is what they are. Which is what they have been since last March. Stop seeing the glass as half full. There are too many teams that are better than us. After watching last night's game, do you honestly feel we can compete with the likes of COLUMBUS? They are better than us. Goalie on out.

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Release the fire double mint hounds.
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Posted 2017-11-18 9:47 AM (#687851 - in reply to #687850)
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When will this GM wake up and understand.

Giving AV a defenseman like Shatt (Boyle, Yandle) is a mistake doomed to failure. He terribly misuses the player and eventually the player gets frustrated with trying to play a style that he isn't comfortable with. By season's end the player is a mess and traded away or released with little to no return on investment.

The Rangers were in need of a physical, stay at home defenseman to pair with MDonagh. Instead, they spend $$$ to get the complete opposite and hand it over to Gum-Gum the Dum-Dum.

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Posted 2017-11-18 9:57 AM (#687853 - in reply to #687851)
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PV29 - 2017-11-18 8:47 AM

When will this GM wake up and understand.

Giving AV a defenseman like Shatt (Boyle, Yandle) is a mistake doomed to failure. He terribly misuses the player and eventually the player gets frustrated with trying to play a style that he isn't comfortable with. By season's end the player is a mess and traded away or released with little to no return on investment.

The Rangers were in need of a physical, stay at home defenseman to pair with MDonagh. Instead, they spend $$$ to get the complete opposite and hand it over to Gum-Gum the Dum-Dum.

#FireAV



In Boyle’s case it cost the Rangers flexibility for Stralman. Yandle a veritable bag of goodies. Luckily Shattenkirk only money. Although Shattenkirks value at this point in time has already surpassed Yandle and Boyle’s. Some coaches get away with blaming the players longer than they should.

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Posted 2017-11-21 3:11 PM (#688001 - in reply to #683557)
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The standard Rangers GM faces before franchise-altering decision
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November 21, 2017 | 3:01pm

A pretty good read by Brooks...

https://nypost.com/2017/11/21/the-standard-rangers-gm-faces-before-f...

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Posted 2017-11-21 3:26 PM (#688004 - in reply to #683557)
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Espo definitely the Worst...Neil Smith may have won a cup but he H Bombed the future.....I'll never forgive him for that
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Mikey Red - 2017-11-21 5:26 PM

Espo definitely the Worst...Neil Smith may have won a cup but he H Bombed the future.....I'll never forgive him for that


Cry about the future under Smith if you want...but for oldtime fans, he delivered something that he gets a lifetime pass for. He wasn't satisfied when they weren't performing, and he did what he did to get the team going.

And all those guys he traded away....how much did those guys win? Weight won two cups, but wasn't a major factor in those...he certainly wouldn't have led us to anything. You gonna cry over Amonte, Norstrom, et al? Certainly solid guys, but I'll take the cup.
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Weight, Amonte, Marchant, Nordstrom, Leetch, Kovalev, Richter, Graves, Book and Darren Langdon, .....a HELL of a start to build a team around....We would of won the Cup in 94 anyway...we were the best team.....Smith OBLITERATED the future.....Ferarro brothers? Ken Gernander? Barry Richter?
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Posted 2017-11-21 4:33 PM (#688014 - in reply to #683557)
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Smith sucks also because he let Keenan push him around to make all those stupid ass trades. Would you trade Brady Skjei for players in their 30's toay? ....Thats how we traded Nordstrom who went on to be the Captain of the Kings for 10 years and a top pair Defenseman
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Filp Chytil for Marion Gaborik? Thats the Doug Weight trade.....Amonte was traded for rentals.....How on earth were those trades OK'd?
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After Smith H bombed the future...the team went on to make the playoffs as a team that was termites holding hands....after 97 and the in the crease rule that helped us get to the ECF......we SUCKED beyond Sucking from 1997-98 til post Lockout.... F Neil Smith and Mike Keenan
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Smith traded 3 Captains away
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Mikey Red - 2017-11-21 6:20 PM

Weight, Amonte, Marchant, Nordstrom, Leetch, Kovalev, Richter, Graves, Book and Darren Langdon, .....a HELL of a start to build a team around....We would of won the Cup in 94 anyway...we were the best team.....Smith OBLITERATED the future.....Ferarro brothers? Ken Gernander? Barry Richter?


So, you are one of those guys who can tell the future? We would have won anyway? Even if we didn't trade for the guy who scored two double-OT goals against the Devils?

We were the best team? Pretty sure we were the best team two years prior also....how did that work out for us?

You're not bitching about giving up Steven Rice, Troy Malette, Bernie Nichols, David Shaw, Louie Debrusk, etc. weren't those guys gonna win a cup for us too?

You're crying about guys that became captains of other teams? Who gives a sh!t? We win a cup, and you are crying about trading Todd f ucking Marchant for Christ sake....
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Troy Mallete? LMAO Bernie Nichols ...another scrub....I liked David Shaw...especially when he got 12 games for hitting Mario.....Louie Debrusk wasn't a hockey player...tough M fer tho. Those guys werent gonna be around later in the 90's anyway........... I had no doubt they were gonna win it in 94...You could tell Weight and Amonte were the real deal....Todd Marchant played in the NHL for 10 years......We could of competed for more Cups as the 90's went on instead of watching the Titanic sink
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Ask the Capitals how being the best team in the league for the better part of a decade gets you cups. I'm no Smith fan but you can't say what would have happened without those trades.
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Mikey Red - 2017-11-21 8:56 PM

Troy Mallete? LMAO Bernie Nichols ...another scrub....I liked David Shaw...especially when he got 12 games for hitting Mario.....Louie Debrusk wasn't a hockey player...tough M fer tho. Those guys werent gonna be around later in the 90's anyway........... I had no doubt they were gonna win it in 94...You could tell Weight and Amonte were the real deal....Todd Marchant played in the NHL for 10 years......We could of competed for more Cups as the 90's went on instead of watching the Titanic sink


Oh....so you mean that they traded youth that didn't wind up mattering for guys that helped us (Rice, Malette, etc.)?

You had no doubt in 94, huh? Did you have the same no doubt in 92?

We never missed Marchant....but I trade him every single time for MacTavish....which helped make that team complete.

And I would still deal Weight for Tikkanen....every single time. Won us a cup....not "would have"....they did.
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You would get fired and tar and feathered by the fanbase if you make those trades today....92 I was hopeful but there was no stopping Mario....You forgot about Darren Turcotte and Ulf Dahlen lol
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Vua - 2017-11-21 7:02 PM

Ask the Capitals how being the best team in the league for the better part of a decade gets you cups. I'm no Smith fan but you can't say what would have happened without those trades.

I hear ya....but a kid for an old guy? just because Keenan knew he wasnt gonna be around long so he bullied Smith into doing what he wanted. I felt like the cup was ours to lose in 94 ....sure nothing is for sure....but he gutted the future
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Mandar - 2017-11-21 7:06 PM

Mikey Red - 2017-11-21 8:56 PM

Troy Mallete? LMAO Bernie Nichols ...another scrub....I liked David Shaw...especially when he got 12 games for hitting Mario.....Louie Debrusk wasn't a hockey player...tough M fer tho. Those guys werent gonna be around later in the 90's anyway........... I had no doubt they were gonna win it in 94...You could tell Weight and Amonte were the real deal....Todd Marchant played in the NHL for 10 years......We could of competed for more Cups as the 90's went on instead of watching the Titanic sink


Oh....so you mean that they traded youth that didn't wind up mattering for guys that helped us (Rice, Malette, etc.)?

You had no doubt in 94, huh? Did you have the same no doubt in 92?

We never missed Marchant....but I trade him every single time for MacTavish....which helped make that team complete.

And I would still deal Weight for Tikkanen....every single time. Won us a cup....not "would have"....they did.


Totally agree Mandar ! you couldn't have said it better, I would make those trades a million times over if it brings us a cup, that is why we play right? Remember why we brought in Mactavish ? because we couldn't win a freakin face-off ! and Tikk-Speak was just the agitator we needed and by the way held is own as a scorer too. ever go to a game where tikkenen is in the crowd now? the garden still goes crazy when they iso him on the scoreboard screen. and by the way Mikey, NO ONE thought the Rangers were good enough to win the cup before the 94 season began, in fact Vegas had them at 20-1 dogs to win it all, I know because I put down a hunge and took home a nice fat stack..."trade away the future"... really Mikey? in professional sports the future is NOW, there is no tomorrow, second place is for loosers... The Stanley Cup Mikey ... that's all that matters ........



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You could tell Weight and Amonte were the real deal....Todd Marchant played in the NHL for 10 years......We could of competed for more Cups as the 90's went on instead of watching the Titanic sink


Todd Marchant played ONE game as a Ranger in 1994.... ONE !
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Ask the Capitals how being the best team in the league for the better part of a decade gets you cups. I'm no Smith fan but you can't say what would have happened without those trades.

I hear ya....but a kid for an old guy? just because Keenan knew he wasnt gonna be around long so he bullied Smith into doing what he wanted. I felt like the cup was ours to lose in 94 ....sure nothing is for sure....but he gutted the future


I understand. And maybe they would have won anyway. But we don't know, and when your sports teams haven't won much people are reluctant to disparage the one they got. All of my teams combined have 5 Championships since I've been a fan and I was 10 when the Mets won. The next 4 came in a 4 year span for me. So all my fan glory was between '92 and '95. While it's better than a Mets, Jets, Knicks, and Ranger fan, it's still a small window of winning.

Today you'd be crazy to trade that much youth for age. The only way to sustain in the NHL is to get rid of older players and continually inject youth into the team. You can't afford anything else now. You can't pay more than 3 or 4 high end players.
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RANGERNUT - 2017-11-22 5:36 AM

1991 ...Rangers trade Bernie Nicholls, Steve Rice, Louie DeBrusk and future considerations (David Shaw) for Mark Messier and future considerations (Jeff Beukuboom) ...Please.... do it again !

Of course you do that trade....You are not giving up anything...Also when you go to a playoff game...they do a Steffan Matteau interview from the Blue seats...Its pathetic...94 is over...forget about it...Matteau was a Ranger for 3 Months. Of course the idea is to win the SC now...How has that worked out for the last 77 Years?
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Mikey Red - 2017-11-21 6:56 PM

You could tell Weight and Amonte were the real deal....Todd Marchant played in the NHL for 10 years......We could of competed for more Cups as the 90's went on instead of watching the Titanic sink


Todd Marchant played ONE game as a Ranger in 1994.... ONE !
coulda shoulda woulda

He played for 10 years in the NHL...lightning fast......almost 1200 games played .......MacTavish played 12 games for us.....That trade on paper is horrendous and will get you fired
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Vua - 2017-11-21 7:02 PM

Ask the Capitals how being the best team in the league for the better part of a decade gets you cups. I'm no Smith fan but you can't say what would have happened without those trades.

I hear ya....but a kid for an old guy? just because Keenan knew he wasnt gonna be around long so he bullied Smith into doing what he wanted. I felt like the cup was ours to lose in 94 ....sure nothing is for sure....but he gutted the future


I understand. And maybe they would have won anyway. But we don't know, and when your sports teams haven't won much people are reluctant to disparage the one they got. All of my teams combined have 5 Championships since I've been a fan and I was 10 when the Mets won. The next 4 came in a 4 year span for me. So all my fan glory was between '92 and '95. While it's better than a Mets, Jets, Knicks, and Ranger fan, it's still a small window of winning.

Today you'd be crazy to trade that much youth for age. The only way to sustain in the NHL is to get rid of older players and continually inject youth into the team. You can't afford anything else now. You can't pay more than 3 or 4 high end players.

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Mikey Red - 2017-11-21 8:56 PM

Troy Mallete? LMAO Bernie Nichols ...another scrub....I liked David Shaw...especially when he got 12 games for hitting Mario.....Louie Debrusk wasn't a hockey player...tough M fer tho. Those guys werent gonna be around later in the 90's anyway........... I had no doubt they were gonna win it in 94...You could tell Weight and Amonte were the real deal....Todd Marchant played in the NHL for 10 years......We could of competed for more Cups as the 90's went on instead of watching the Titanic sink


Oh....so you mean that they traded youth that didn't wind up mattering for guys that helped us (Rice, Malette, etc.)?

You had no doubt in 94, huh? Did you have the same no doubt in 92?

We never missed Marchant....but I trade him every single time for MacTavish....which helped make that team complete.

And I would still deal Weight for Tikkanen....every single time. Won us a cup....not "would have"....they did.


Totally agree Mandar ! you couldn't have said it better, I would make those trades a million times over if it brings us a cup, that is why we play right? Remember why we brought in Mactavish ? because we couldn't win a freakin face-off ! and Tikk-Speak was just the agitator we needed and by the way held is own as a scorer too. ever go to a game where tikkenen is in the crowd now? the garden still goes crazy when they iso him on the scoreboard screen. and by the way Mikey, NO ONE thought the Rangers were good enough to win the cup before the 94 season began, in fact Vegas had them at 20-1 dogs to win it all, I know because I put down a hunge and took home a nice fat stack..."trade away the future"... really Mikey? in professional sports the future is NOW, there is no tomorrow, second place is for loosers... The Stanley Cup Mikey ... that's all that matters ........


How did it go for us from 1994-95 to post lock out? Would of been nice to have our future with us for those teams
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You gotta have rocks in your head to go to an outdoor hockey game in a baseball stadium...Its for the kids.....I would have scolded Hayes on the train....tell him he needs to shoot the puck when on a breakaway.
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Flyers, a team who had 10 consecutive losses, (10!!) now just 2 points behind AV'S Rangers
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More teams ahead of the Rangers in the Metro than behind!!

AV coach of the year!
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More teams ahead of the Rangers in the Metro than behind!!

AV coach of the year!

Lol yep ...they are going to rename the trophy to the AV Award
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Well the moron has finally done the obvious which should have been done when Miller first started playing center.
Kreider, Zib (when he’s back.) Buch
Grabner Hayes Fast or Vesey
Nash Miller Zucc
Carey Nieves Fast Vesey.
I think Vesey should be with Hayes and Grabner, and Fast on the fourth line and that sets up the penalty killing better. Vesey doesn’t kill much and it sets it up for Nieves and Fast to pair up and Hayes and Grabner. Grabner didn’tt seem to be a fit with Zucc and Miller usually he was 1.5 zones ahead of them.
From what I see Miller has the potential to be the Rangers best center, and the best choice to match up against other teams best. He’s physical and can lean on the opposing center, he’s strong on the forecheck, and can dish to Nash and Zuccarello. He’s going to have a hiccup or two like last game but no more than any other of the other centres and he will get better. The kid is a stud but for whatever reason he’s a bit of a whipping boy for double mint. The kids got it, let him buck for crying out loud.

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With Zib ready to come back, Mr Coach of the year has put Day Har No Way on the 4th line, and has Nieves skating as an extra.

4th line has been good for us the last couple of weeks. AV refusing again to stay with the younger guys, and keep the vets who really add no value. What is 51 going to do on the 4th line that Nieves can't??
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-12-18 5:25 PM

With Zib ready to come back, Mr Coach of the year has put Day Har No Way on the 4th line, and has Nieves skating as an extra.

4th line has been good for us the last couple of weeks. AV refusing again to stay with the younger guys, and keep the vets who really add no value. What is 51 going to do on the 4th line that Nieves can't??

Speak French...
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I would have kept them both and scratched Carey.

Deshernais Nieves Vesey

As the 4th line.

Either way right now our 4th line isn't in a traditional defensive role anyway...

That goes to
Grabner Hayes Fast

Vesey Deshernais and whoever are going to be expected to produce offense.

And really he should do well now that he's out of the top 6 matched up against top D pairs.... cause.... if you think The Rangers D is bad.... look around the league... not a lot better
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I would have kept them both and scratched Carey.

Deshernais Nieves Vesey

As the 4th line.

Either way right now our 4th line isn't in a traditional defensive role anyway...

That goes to
Grabner Hayes Fast

Vesey Deshernais and whoever are going to be expected to produce offense.

And really he should do well now that he's out of the top 6 matched up against top D pairs.... cause.... if you think The Rangers D is bad.... look around the league... not a lot better

the 4th line isn't a defensive line....hasn't been in some time.....its an energy line. Hard on the forecheck, muck in the corners, grinding style. Do you get that from Desharnais? I'm not a fan of Carey either, but he fits that style of play more than Desharnais.
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Think Boo has done enough to stay in the lineup. May have been given a bit too much but he earned some role and responsibility expansion . Thought he did some PK ....
Maybe Deshernais is just a look see for others.
Would really like to see a Forward picked up for lower 6 that can bring a consistent hard game. Hard check in all zones and basic pain in the ass. Also at some point Vinny L get a look but Boo has earned the 4C spot.
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I think Nieves is a better choice than Desharnais.

I hate to think what these young guys might think about playing their role well, only for AV to sit them in favor of someone who isn't a better option. It has to be frustrating, and it stunts their growth, and experience.

Awesome AV
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-12-19 8:54 AM

I think Nieves is a better choice than Desharnais.

I hate to think what these young guys might think about playing their role well, only for AV to sit them in favor of someone who isn't a better option. It has to be frustrating, and it stunts their growth, and experience.

Awesome AV


I don't think there is that much difference, but in cases where there isn't a difference I think tie should go to the kid because you're investing in his future rather than giving ice time to a journeyman.

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Gravey09 - 2017-12-19 7:46 AM

Think Boo has done enough to stay in the lineup. May have been given a bit too much but he earned some role and responsibility expansion . Thought he did some PK ....
Maybe Deshernais is just a look see for others.
Would really like to see a Forward picked up for lower 6 that can bring a consistent hard game. Hard check in all zones and basic pain in the ass. Also at some point Vinny L get a look but Boo has earned the 4C spot.



Tanner Glass - pain in the a-s.
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Tanner Glass - pain in the a-s because he was in the lineup.


Duly corrected.
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Posted 2017-12-20 10:39 AM (#690744 - in reply to #683557)
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Christmas didn't come early......He's still here!
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Posted 2017-12-20 12:04 PM (#690745 - in reply to #683557)
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Wins in the regular season you mean.
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Posted 2017-12-20 6:49 PM (#690748 - in reply to #683557)
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AV forgets whos on the bench in the playoffs...then jokes about it....and puts Staal and Holden out there in the last minute with a 1 goal lead and got burned many times
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Gravey09 - 2017-12-19 9:46 AM

Think Boo has done enough to stay in the lineup. May have been given a bit too much but he earned some role and responsibility expansion . Thought he did some PK ....
Maybe Deshernais is just a look see for others.
Would really like to see a Forward picked up for lower 6 that can bring a consistent hard game. Hard check in all zones and basic pain in the ass. Also at some point Vinny L get a look but Boo has earned the 4C spot.


Sorry, Sean Avery retired.
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Posted 2017-12-21 8:38 AM (#690755 - in reply to #683557)
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Desharnais has had some good games starting off on a new line. Then he seems to fade to becoming very much a non factor. In fairness comparing Desharnais to Nieves who has been adequate and not much more with very little offense, is hard because they play a different game. You can only compare effectiveness at their individual games. Desharnais and Nieves both needed a wakeup call. Choosing between those two your looking for who will make the most meaningful contribution, playing their individual style. They are definitely a apple and a orange in all skills and assets. At the present time the success of the fourth line is more on how Vesey and Carey's play. If I was Desharnais or Nieves I'd be using game time to put a exclamation point on why I should be in the lineup.

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Posted 2017-12-21 12:35 PM (#690763 - in reply to #683557)
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4th line as constituted against the Ducks, and the King won the game for the NYR.
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Posted 2017-12-21 12:37 PM (#690764 - in reply to #690645)
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Mjolnir - 2017-12-19 5:37 PM

naf regnar - 2017-12-19 5:38 PM

Tanner Glass - pain in the a-s because he was in the lineup.


Duly corrected. [/QUOTE




Why are you altering my post?
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Posted 2017-12-22 12:00 PM (#690898 - in reply to #683557)
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Friday’s lines at practice.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Michael Grabner, Kevin Hayes, Jimmy Vesey
Rick Nash, David Desharnais, Mats Zuccarello
Paul Carey, Boo Nieves, JT Miller


He gets so stupid after a loss. Fire his ass already.
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Rranger - 2017-12-22 2:00 PM

Friday’s lines at practice.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Michael Grabner, Kevin Hayes, Jimmy Vesey
Rick Nash, David Desharnais, Mats Zuccarello
Paul Carey, Boo Nieves, JT Miller


He gets so stupid after a loss. Fire his ass already.

lol yep...Albert get cut?
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Posted 2017-12-22 12:47 PM (#690900 - in reply to #683557)
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I see Albert is out with a Quad strain
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Mikey Red - 2017-12-22 2:28 PM

Rranger - 2017-12-22 2:00 PM

Friday’s lines at practice.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Michael Grabner, Kevin Hayes, Jimmy Vesey
Rick Nash, David Desharnais, Mats Zuccarello
Paul Carey, Boo Nieves, JT Miller


He gets so stupid after a loss. Fire his ass already.

lol yep...Albert get cut?
I heard he pulled a quad muscle and will be out 2-3 weeks
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On another not, Our Clown Prince had something interesting to say about Holden:

"Nick Holden was on the top pair with Ryan McDonagh for the ninth straight game since McDonagh returned Dec. 1 from his four-game absence because of an abdominal strain. Holden played 23:06 and scored his second goal of the season while also turning the puck over with regularity.

“Nick is safe and dependable,” Vigneault said before the game. “He’s got good positioning. He can support Mac. Mac obviously is a powerful skater that likes to jump up in the attack. So when you have a trusty partner that you know is going to be in there right spot, the right position, makes it that you can be a little bit more effective offensively.”"

Seriously?
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Posted 2017-12-22 1:42 PM (#690904 - in reply to #683557)
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You guys rip Holden, because you’re uber-centric focused on the Rangers..... but if you watch the rest of the league, there are plenty of defenseman that make the same mistakes and are paid considerably more, without any offensive upside. Does he belong on the top pair ? Probably not .... but there’s very few teams, if any, that have 6 defenseman playing at a super high level, mistake free. This is why quality defenseman are in such high demand! Nobody blasts Zucchini when he passes pucks up the middle for ridiculous chances against, everyone should chill on Holden
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Posted 2017-12-22 1:47 PM (#690905 - in reply to #690898)
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Rranger - 2017-12-22 12:00 PM

Friday’s lines at practice.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Michael Grabner, Kevin Hayes, Jimmy Vesey
Rick Nash, David Desharnais, Mats Zuccarello
Paul Carey, Boo Nieves, JT Miller


He gets so stupid after a loss. Fire his ass already.


What is so stupid? He’s trying to see if there is any chemistry in PRACTICE .... relax
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Posted 2017-12-22 3:11 PM (#690906 - in reply to #683557)
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Posted 2017-12-22 3:22 PM (#690907 - in reply to #683557)
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Fast is out 2-3 weeks with a quad injury
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Rranger - 2017-12-22 12:00 PM

Friday’s lines at practice.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Michael Grabner, Kevin Hayes, Jimmy Vesey
Rick Nash, David Desharnais, Mats Zuccarello
Paul Carey, Boo Nieves, JT Miller


He gets so stupid after a loss. Fire his ass already.


What is so stupid? He’s trying to see if there is any chemistry in PRACTICE .... relax




He’s getting his lines ready for the next game, or do you not pay attention to his practice combinations that start games. . Only a idiot thinks you can find chemistry in a practice. Maybe try watching a game or two or maybe check the Rangers stats and explain how breaking up a fourth line that may have been the Rangers best the last two games is not stupid. Not just take a guy off but blow it up. It’s gone. And then top it by putting his second leading scorer on a 8 to 9 minute a game line. Pretty stupid. Sheer genius.
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He wants to have every line be a scoring threat.

All he had to do is switch Deshernais, and Miller, and everything will be right with the world....

I can't see him splitting up Carey and Deshernais after they connect for a few the other night. Relax
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Posted 2017-12-22 7:34 PM (#690910 - in reply to #690908)
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Rranger - 2017-12-22 6:26 PM

Spider3WideBanana - 2017-12-22 12:47 PM

Rranger - 2017-12-22 12:00 PM

Friday’s lines at practice.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Michael Grabner, Kevin Hayes, Jimmy Vesey
Rick Nash, David Desharnais, Mats Zuccarello
Paul Carey, Boo Nieves, JT Miller


He gets so stupid after a loss. Fire his ass already.


What is so stupid? He’s trying to see if there is any chemistry in PRACTICE .... relax




He’s getting his lines ready for the next game, or do you not pay attention to his practice combinations that start games. . Only a idiot thinks you can find chemistry in a practice. Maybe try watching a game or two or maybe check the Rangers stats and explain how breaking up a fourth line that may have been the Rangers best the last two games is not stupid. Not just take a guy off but blow it up. It’s gone. And then top it by putting his second leading scorer on a 8 to 9 minute a game line. Pretty stupid. Sheer genius.


We’re talkin’ practice....
so what if he starts these lines?
You guys are seriously reaching on ripping AV...... and btw, ya, I’ve seen a game or two..... internet blog warrior
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Friday’s lines at practice.

Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich
Michael Grabner, Kevin Hayes, Jimmy Vesey
Rick Nash, David Desharnais, Mats Zuccarello
Paul Carey, Boo Nieves, JT Miller


He gets so stupid after a loss. Fire his ass already.


What is so stupid? He’s trying to see if there is any chemistry in PRACTICE .... relax




He’s getting his lines ready for the next game, or do you not pay attention to his practice combinations that start games. . Only a idiot thinks you can find chemistry in a practice. Maybe try watching a game or two or maybe check the Rangers stats and explain how breaking up a fourth line that may have been the Rangers best the last two games is not stupid. Not just take a guy off but blow it up. It’s gone. And then top it by putting his second leading scorer on a 8 to 9 minute a game line. Pretty stupid. Sheer genius.


We’re talkin’ practice....
so what if he starts these lines?
You guys are seriously reaching on ripping AV...... and btw, ya, I’ve seen a game or two..... internet blog warrior





Nobody is reaching, he is a idiot for breaking up Carey, Desharnais and Vesey and a bigger idiot for putting Miller on the fourth line. No need to put his second best scorer on the fourth line and break up the obvious Carey, Vesey chemistry with Desharnais. But according to you he’s looking for chemistry while they fly through the horseshoe drill in practice. I don’t know where you been but his practice lines are his next game lines, and have been since day one. Unless there is a morning skate tomorrow those are your lines.

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He wants to have every line be a scoring threat.

All he had to do is switch Deshernais, and Miller, and everything will be right with the world....

I can't see him splitting up Carey and Deshernais after they connect for a few the other night. Relax



They had a fourth line that was scoring. I have no idea nor most likely does anyone else understand how switching Desharnais and Miller as you say fills the hole created by the loss of Fast. Your opinion about chewy not breaking up Desharnais and Carey doesn’t change what went on in practice and what will go on tomorrow. His M/O says the lines tomorrow will be the same as today’s practice.

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I don't know how it takes a National hockey League coach this long to come up with this gem. Chewy is saying Shattenkirk is not going back for the puck hard enough on puck retrievals. In other words he's nicely calling him lazy. Nice conclusion after a training camp and 34 games. Coaches are supposed to pickup on this stuff and deal with it immediately, not observe it for 1/3rd of the season, and now decide it needs to be dealt with. . To be fair Shattenkirk gives the puck up whether he is pressured or not. And of course Zipay doesn't ask the obvious "why did you wait so long to deal with this"? Terrible signing and Chewy continues to get the free pass.

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The defenseman hadn’t scored in 19 games, and Vigneault said that although there was an adjustment period for the free-agent acquisition, he’s got to pick it up.

“I do think Shatty has got more in him than what we’re seeing now,” Vigneault said Saturday. “I feel he can skate better, going back for pucks a little bit quicker and finding the available outlet. If we get that part of his game a little more consistent, I think everything else will be fine. He’s been better as far as closing the gap and making the right reads defensively, but I do think offensively there’s more there. His confidence might not be at his highest point. He’ll be the first one to tell you he’s not making those usual passes He’s been working hard, he’s got the right attitude and he’s only going to get better.”""""""

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Heatl face down on the ice bleeding right now...prob a broken nose...This kid gets hurt alot already
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“Nick is safe and dependable,” Vigneault said before the game.

AV should be fired for that sentence alone.

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Chytil had a good game. He's definitely one of the best on this czech team
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I didn't see the Sweden game, but Captian Lias scored twice
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“Nick is safe and dependable,” Vigneault said before the game.

AV should be fired for that sentence alone.

Hey Pavs!!!! Hope all is well....let's chat soon..I'm reconsidering that trip we discussed previously.
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“Nick is safe and dependable,” Vigneault said before the game.

AV should be fired for that sentence alone.

Hey Pavs!!!! Hope all is well....let's chat soon..I'm reconsidering that trip we discussed previously.

Hey Sammye, things are more than fine. Hope you're doing well yourself.
Sure thing about the trip. Drop me an email, ok?
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Chytil had a good game. He's definitely one of the best on this czech team

Yep...I saw Lias highlights...Both kids had good games
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Chytil had a good game. He's definitely one of the best on this czech team

Yep...I saw Lias highlights...Both kids had good games





If these two have a good tourney and finish their seasons strong, then they will have taken big strides on becoming contributing Rangers next season. A lot of unrealistic expectations of being on the Rangers were put on these two this summer. They both teased but are both better off where they are. They both have a chance of being real contributors next season.
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Chytil had a good game. He's definitely one of the best on this czech team

Yep...I saw Lias highlights...Both kids had good games





If these two have a good tourney and finish their seasons strong, then they will have taken big strides on becoming contributing Rangers next season. A lot of unrealistic expectations of being on the Rangers were put on these two this summer. They both teased but are both better off where they are. They both have a chance of being real contributors next season.

Absolutely....Thats why Gorton is a bad GM...He thought they could come in right away and replace Stepan and Lindbergh
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Mjolnir - 2017-12-22 8:48 PM

“Nick is safe and dependable,” Vigneault said before the game.

AV should be fired for that sentence alone.

Hey Pavs!!!! Hope all is well....let's chat soon..I'm reconsidering that trip we discussed previously.


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Chytil had a good game. He's definitely one of the best on this czech team

Yep...I saw Lias highlights...Both kids had good games





If these two have a good tourney and finish their seasons strong, then they will have taken big strides on becoming contributing Rangers next season. A lot of unrealistic expectations of being on the Rangers were put on these two this summer. They both teased but are both better off where they are. They both have a chance of being real contributors next season.

Absolutely....Thats why Gorton is a bad GM...He thought they could come in right away and replace Stepan and Lindbergh




I don’t agree Mikey, this could all wash out next season with DeAngelo, Andersson, and Chytil playing for the Rangers which is a lot more reasonable scenario. I hear what your saying but think these three need to be written off next year before it’s bad GM’ing.
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Brooks added more fuel to the "Fire AV" fire:
Since Michael Grabner joined the Rangers at the start of last season, the Austrian Express leads the club in overall goal-scoring with 44, five more than Chris Kreider, 12 more than Rick Nash, 15 more than J.T. Miller, 18 more than Kevin Hayes, 20 more than Jimmy Vesey and 21 more than Mats Zuccarello. Grabner had played the sixth-most minutes of that group, getting more ice than only Vesey.

At five-on-five, Grabner leads the club with 31 goals, seven more than Kreider, nine more than Hayes, 11 more than Nash, 13 more than Vesey, 15 more than Miller and 18 more than both Zuccarello and Mika Zibanejad. Again, Grabner had the sixth-most minutes of that group, playing more than Nash and Zibanejad.

Grabner is tied for eighth in the NHL in five-on-five goals since the start of last year, trailing Auston Matthews (38), Anders Lee (37), Nikita Kucherov (36), Jeff Skinner (36), Patrick Kane (35), Rickard Rakell (33) and Vladimir Tarasenko (32).

At five-on-five goals per 60 minutes, Grabner is third in the league at 1.41, trailing co-leaders Lee and Matthews at 1.46.

Since pulling on the Blueshirt, Grabner has played a total of 7:21 on the power play.


https://nypost.com/2017/12/25/digging-into-stats-to-find-how-rangers...
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Brooks added more fuel to the "Fire AV" fire:
Since Michael Grabner joined the Rangers at the start of last season, the Austrian Express leads the club in overall goal-scoring with 44, five more than Chris Kreider, 12 more than Rick Nash, 15 more than J.T. Miller, 18 more than Kevin Hayes, 20 more than Jimmy Vesey and 21 more than Mats Zuccarello. Grabner had played the sixth-most minutes of that group, getting more ice than only Vesey.

At five-on-five, Grabner leads the club with 31 goals, seven more than Kreider, nine more than Hayes, 11 more than Nash, 13 more than Vesey, 15 more than Miller and 18 more than both Zuccarello and Mika Zibanejad. Again, Grabner had the sixth-most minutes of that group, playing more than Nash and Zibanejad.

Grabner is tied for eighth in the NHL in five-on-five goals since the start of last year, trailing Auston Matthews (38), Anders Lee (37), Nikita Kucherov (36), Jeff Skinner (36), Patrick Kane (35), Rickard Rakell (33) and Vladimir Tarasenko (32).

At five-on-five goals per 60 minutes, Grabner is third in the league at 1.41, trailing co-leaders Lee and Matthews at 1.46.

Since pulling on the Blueshirt, Grabner has played a total of 7:21 on the power play.


https://nypost.com/2017/12/25/digging-into-stats-to-find-how-rangers...


Yeah, um, 10 of those are empty net goals so keep that in mind while you read Brooks' stats spin. In the same time span Nash has 3, Miller 4, Zucc 2, and Kreider doesn't play in that situation so he has zero.

I don't discount the importance of ENG but failing to mention that when comparing goal totals is a fairly significant omission.
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Chytil had a good game. He's definitely one of the best on this czech team

Yep...I saw Lias highlights...Both kids had good games





If these two have a good tourney and finish their seasons strong, then they will have taken big strides on becoming contributing Rangers next season. A lot of unrealistic expectations of being on the Rangers were put on these two this summer. They both teased but are both better off where they are. They both have a chance of being real contributors next season.

Absolutely....Thats why Gorton is a bad GM...He thought they could come in right away and replace Stepan and Lindbergh




I don’t agree Mikey, this could all wash out next season with DeAngelo, Andersson, and Chytil playing for the Rangers which is a lot more reasonable scenario. I hear what your saying but think these three need to be written off next year before it’s bad GM’ing.


I think there were a lot of unrealistic expectations coming out of camp, and I also think DeAngelo and Chytil "made" the team as much as a PR CYA as anything. I don't deny that they were both certainly on the bubble but Chytil playing in Hartford will be better for his long term development, especially when you consider who the coach is. I actually expected him to go back to Europe after 9 games, but I much prefer the AHL for him - it's closer, geographically and culturally, to the NHL, and the league is a better league. Would be nice to see him as a callup occasionally.

DeAngelo came in as a flawed prospect in my opinion, Hartford is where he needs to be to work out exactly what he is and what he can contribute. Spoiler alert, he's not going to be a stud offensive defenseman in the NHL, i think at this point he should be aiming to be a John Moore type defenseman.

Andersson was the one who was "overhyped" and considered NHL ready, but as a reminder, this was a consensus view, not just a Rangers view. They wanted him to challenge for a 4C spot out of camp, but when they looked at the available options I think they decided to give him another year to round out his game. The kid was 18, jumping to the NHL at age 18 and getting a regular job is incredibly rare, even for a 7th overall pick.

It's important when looking at prospects to take a broader view, and look at how they progress (or stall, or regress) over a 2, 3 year span. As long as these kids continue to build and learn and get better every year, there's no cause for any concern. Of the three, DeAngelo is the one that is closest to an ultimatum year, even so I think that's at least a year, if not 2 or 3, down the road.

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To mikey’s point the immediate return on trading the Rangers arguably best center and one of the NHL’s top backup goalies over the last couple of seasons, has had zero impact, leaving most hoping for some nhl roster impact next season. If their contribution is three years down the road it very well could be after Gorton is gone, with this trade being part of the reasoning. One would expect some input from Andersson and or DeAngelo next season or the analysis of this trade will amp up.
A significant part of the trade reasoning was to free up cap space which was used to sign Shattenkirk, and that is another eyebrow raiser in assessing the trade. At this point in time assessing the trade the cap space was better spent on Stepan, DeAngelo has some significant attitude issues and and the focus is going to be on Andersson to make this a win trade for the Rangers.
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DeAngelo could do nothing and the Stepan trade was a huge win. He was disgustingly overpaid. He played hard about half the time. He sucked ass on faceoffs his entire career and showed no drive to get better. The rule change has helped him a little this year. He was inconsistent scoring his entire career often disappearing for stretches of 20 games. Andersson is everything Stepan never will be. Just wish they would move DeAngelo to forward.
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Lost in your assessment of Stepan is he had value, Gorton got what he got. If the return Andersson and DeAngelo dont produce then it’s a terrible trade. Andersson has it to do to become a dominant all round nhl player, the talk at the draft was a safe pick with a solid two way game in his future. The Rangers could have had Casey Middlestadt with their pick. Instead he went to Buffalo on the next pick. Middlestadt is a incredible offensive hockey player the sort the Rangers don’t get many chances at. He’s one of the players with the higher upside that the Rangers passed on to take the safer pick in Andersson. These kind of trades have a way of showing up on the GM’s resume a few years down the road, and if Andersson isn’t a top six forward soon It could cost Gorton his job, because right now his related dealings have brought Shattenkirk and nothing else. And I expect after the World Junior tournament some talk of how the Rangers could have got Middlestadt will start. He’s got a fantastic set of mitts and a chance to be a true offensively gifted first line center.

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Lias is captaining team sweden in the world juniors. Has 5 goals in 3 and a half games along with an assist to lead the team in goals and pts.

He could be on this NYR team now.... he will be next year, if not when Frolunda's season is up



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Lias is captaining team sweden in the world juniors. Has 5 goals in 3 and a half games along with an assist to lead the team in goals and pts.

He could be on this NYR team now.... he will be next year, if not when Frolunda's season is up





He is the captain, he has 2 goals against Belarus and 2 goals against Switzerland. Both bottom feeders. He’s a meat and potato’s kinda player. Middlestadt is a guy who also plays a strong two way game, and has a easily visible potentially dynamic offensive player, in his future. I’ve watched every game of the tourney including all of Sweden’s. Against Russia a tough opponent Andersson has done very little. He has been very average throughout the preliminary round. Not knocking the kid but it’s obvious he’s still got to pick his game up to be ready for the NHL next season.
And no he could not be on the Rangers this season or he would be.

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Middlestadt is a incredible offensive hockey player the sort the Rangers don’t get many chances at.


If things keep going the way they're going, they'll have plenty of chances at high picks in the future.

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Rranger - 2017-12-31 4:51 PM

Middlestadt is a incredible offensive hockey player the sort the Rangers don’t get many chances at.


If things keep going the way they're going, they'll have plenty of chances at high picks in the future.


Yep and we could of had him but we took Lias instead....Middlestadt went the very next pick
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Rranger - 2017-12-31 4:51 PM

Middlestadt is a incredible offensive hockey player the sort the Rangers don’t get many chances at.


If things keep going the way they're going, they'll have plenty of chances at high picks in the future.


Yep and we could of had him but we took Lias instead....Middlestadt went the very next pick





The Rangers have a tough schedule and will have to be better in the second half to make the playoffs. I don't see that happening either and agree the draft pick fortunes would improve accordingly. . I'm also not selling Andersson short I just don't see offensive upside like Middlestadt has. Andersson is still going to be a player, but more likely filling a three hole. Talk is Middlestadt might sign this off season after only a freshman season in College, and you know Buffalo has to start getting better. So probably some more pressure to sign him. Then Middlestadt walks into a possibility of some ice time with Jack Eichel and that's going to be something to see.
I think the Rangers dropped the ball on this one. Middlestadt and Chytil in the first round would have been a great draft.

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Middlestadt is a incredible offensive hockey player the sort the Rangers don’t get many chances at.


If things keep going the way they're going, they'll have plenty of chances at high picks in the future.


Yep and we could of had him but we took Lias instead....Middlestadt went the very next pick


The Rangers have a tough schedule and will have to be better in the second half to make the playoffs. I don't see that happening either.

Yep...we are starting to reap what Sather and Gorton have sewn
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If Lias turns out to be a ho hum 3rd line player then that is a failure of a #7 pick
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Rranger - 2017-12-31 4:51 PM

Middlestadt is a incredible offensive hockey player the sort the Rangers don’t get many chances at.


If things keep going the way they're going, they'll have plenty of chances at high picks in the future.


Yep and we could of had him but we took Lias instead....Middlestadt went the very next pick




The USA has a big game against Russia at 5 eastern on NHL network. A good opportunity to see Middlestadt in action. Excellent competition lots on the line, a real test that gives scouts a lot of info. Russia is always a tough out, USA needs a big game.
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Rranger - 2017-12-31 4:51 PM

Middlestadt is a incredible offensive hockey player the sort the Rangers don’t get many chances at.


If things keep going the way they're going, they'll have plenty of chances at high picks in the future.


Yep and we could of had him but we took Lias instead....Middlestadt went the very next pick





The USA has a big game against Russia at 5 eastern on NHL network. A good opportunity to see Middlestadt in action. Excellent competition lots on the line, a real test that gives scouts a lot of info. Russia is always a tough out, USA needs a big game.

Yep totally...Canada vs Swiss is on now....Canada up 6-1 after 2....What is up with the Canada goal song? OMG annoying
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Rranger - 2017-12-31 4:51 PM

Middlestadt is a incredible offensive hockey player the sort the Rangers don’t get many chances at.


If things keep going the way they're going, they'll have plenty of chances at high picks in the future.


Yep and we could of had him but we took Lias instead....Middlestadt went the very next pick





The USA has a big game against Russia at 5 eastern on NHL network. A good opportunity to see Middlestadt in action. Excellent competition lots on the line, a real test that gives scouts a lot of info. Russia is always a tough out, USA needs a big game.

Yep totally...Canada vs Swiss is on now....Canada up 6-1 after 2....What is up with the Canada goal song? OMG annoying






Most goals songs suck. Who knows who dreamed it up might have been the organizing committee.
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I LOVE the Swiss Coach if anyone saw his pregame interview....AWESOME
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I LOVE the Swiss Coach if anyone saw his pregame interview....AWESOME





That was good.
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“””””As of Monday morning, the Rangers have allowed (Natural Stat Trick):

The 2nd most shot attempts against at 5 on 5
The most shots on goal against at 5 on 5
The 9th most goals against at 5 on 5
The 2nd most shots on goal against per game, 34.2
In their last four games, the Rangers have allowed at least 32 shots on goal against at 5 on 5. (Natural Stat Trick)

In 18 of the last 19 games, in all situations, the Rangers have allowed between 30 and 47 shots on goal. (Natural Stat Trick)

In the only game of the 19 where the Rangers allowed fewer than 30 shots on goal, they allowed 28. (Natural Stat Trick)

Alain Vigneault said that the Rangers are talking about their process and how they can reduce the shots against.””””””





I am brimming with confidence now that Mr. Tarleck has finally isolated the Rangers problems and they are talking about them. Soon they will come up with a plan, and then more of the same.
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“””””As of Monday morning, the Rangers have allowed (Natural Stat Trick):

The 2nd most shot attempts against at 5 on 5
The most shots on goal against at 5 on 5
The 9th most goals against at 5 on 5
The 2nd most shots on goal against per game, 34.2
In their last four games, the Rangers have allowed at least 32 shots on goal against at 5 on 5. (Natural Stat Trick)

In 18 of the last 19 games, in all situations, the Rangers have allowed between 30 and 47 shots on goal. (Natural Stat Trick)

In the only game of the 19 where the Rangers allowed fewer than 30 shots on goal, they allowed 28. (Natural Stat Trick)

Alain Vigneault said that the Rangers are talking about their process and how they can reduce the shots against.””””””





I am brimming with confidence now that Mr. Tarleck has finally isolated the Rangers problems and they are talking about them. Soon they will come up with a plan, and then more of the same.


Only took 5 years.
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Hopefully Eddie will move this beauty into the game day thread. I remember a time when everything stopped when these two teams played. Intense games with unbridled passion and aggression. Sadly now that Gary has converted the NHL into a no hit beer league, intensity, passion and aggression are a no no.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA0ZnQwl0bk&feature=youtu.be

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Hopefully Eddie will move this beauty into the game day thread. I remember a time when everything stopped when these two teams played. Intense games with unbridled passion and aggression. Sadly now that Gary has converted the NHL into a no hit beer league, intensity, passion and aggression are a no no.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA0ZnQwl0bk&feature=youtu.be


Awesome video, thanks for posting!!

Rangers haven't played like that in years, flyers still can...

Missing the days of Kocur, Domi, Langdon, Barnaby, Orr, Prust.....
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Awesome stuff...dont' let AV see it tho....Ill never forget the McPhee Tocchet fight in the 86 playoffs....The building was F'n shaking....Then we scored 3 goals in 0:45 seconds in the 3rd ....I thought the building was going to collapse
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-16 9:14 AM

Awesome stuff...dont' let AV see it tho....Ill never forget the McPhee Tocchet fight in the 86 playoffs....The building was F'n shaking....Then we scored 3 goals in 0:45 seconds in the 3rd ....I thought the building was going to collapse





Was that the fight McPhee was in where the linesman restricted his punching while the other guy was swinging? Put George at a disadvantage.
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-16 9:14 AM

Awesome stuff...dont' let AV see it tho....Ill never forget the McPhee Tocchet fight in the 86 playoffs....The building was F'n shaking....Then we scored 3 goals in 0:45 seconds in the 3rd ....I thought the building was going to collapse





Was that the fight McPhee was in where the linesman restricted his punching while the other guy was swinging? Put George at a disadvantage.

I think they just had a straight up street fight that Mcphee maybe got the decision...was Awesome
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Rranger - 2018-01-16 1:44 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-01-16 9:14 AM

Awesome stuff...dont' let AV see it tho....Ill never forget the McPhee Tocchet fight in the 86 playoffs....The building was F'n shaking....Then we scored 3 goals in 0:45 seconds in the 3rd ....I thought the building was going to collapse





Was that the fight McPhee was in where the linesman restricted his punching while the other guy was swinging? Put George at a disadvantage.

I think they just had a straight up street fight that Mcphee maybe got the decision...was Awesome




I did a little look around sounds like it was Dave Brown. I remember that fn linesman holding his arms.
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-16 10:14 AM

Awesome stuff...dont' let AV see it tho....Ill never forget the McPhee Tocchet fight in the 86 playoffs....The building was F'n shaking....Then we scored 3 goals in 0:45 seconds in the 3rd ....I thought the building was going to collapse


MISS THOSE FRIGGEN DAYS!!!!!
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-16 9:14 AM

Awesome stuff...dont' let AV see it tho....Ill never forget the McPhee Tocchet fight in the 86 playoffs....The building was F'n shaking....Then we scored 3 goals in 0:45 seconds in the 3rd ....I thought the building was going to collapse





Was that the fight McPhee was in where the linesman restricted his punching while the other guy was swinging? Put George at a disadvantage.

I think they just had a straight up street fight that Mcphee maybe got the decision...was Awesome




I did a little look around sounds like it was Dave Brown. I remember that fn linesman holding his arms.


I think Dave Brown was only wearing a t-shirt also, giving George nothing to grab a hold of
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-16 9:14 AM

Awesome stuff...dont' let AV see it tho....Ill never forget the McPhee Tocchet fight in the 86 playoffs....The building was F'n shaking....Then we scored 3 goals in 0:45 seconds in the 3rd ....I thought the building was going to collapse





Was that the fight McPhee was in where the linesman restricted his punching while the other guy was swinging? Put George at a disadvantage.

I think they just had a straight up street fight that Mcphee maybe got the decision...was Awesome




I did a little look around sounds like it was Dave Brown. I remember that fn linesman holding his arms.


I think Dave Brown was only wearing a t-shirt also, giving George nothing to grab a hold of





Those were the days.
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Today's NY Post a Brooks article and he says

""Finally, this narrative being offered that the Rangers are playing well defensively except for a few key mistakes at key times reminds me that I was an A student in Physics at Bronx Science except for the C’s on the mid-term and final exams."""


Well said Larry.
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Awesome stuff...dont' let AV see it tho....Ill never forget the McPhee Tocchet fight in the 86 playoffs....The building was F'n shaking....Then we scored 3 goals in 0:45 seconds in the 3rd ....I thought the building was going to collapse





Was that the fight McPhee was in where the linesman restricted his punching while the other guy was swinging? Put George at a disadvantage.


That was John Kordic when he was on Montreal.
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Mikey Red - 2018-01-16 9:14 AM

Awesome stuff...dont' let AV see it tho....Ill never forget the McPhee Tocchet fight in the 86 playoffs....The building was F'n shaking....Then we scored 3 goals in 0:45 seconds in the 3rd ....I thought the building was going to collapse





Was that the fight McPhee was in where the linesman restricted his punching while the other guy was swinging? Put George at a disadvantage.

I think they just had a straight up street fight that Mcphee maybe got the decision...was Awesome

The Brown fight started out with Brown coming out strong and then McPhee got his footing and starting throwing some good ones back.Then dumbass jay Caufield jumped in to ruin it.


I did a little look around sounds like it was Dave Brown. I remember that fn linesman holding his arms.
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All Star Game was weak...NHL cant do anything right...Commercial break after a goal?....Games sucked because they all went half speed out there and they all tried to make the perfect pass instead of shooting when they were wide open
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All Star Game was weak...NHL cant do anything right...Commercial break after a goal?....Games sucked because they all went half speed out there and they all tried to make the perfect pass instead of shooting when they were wide open




Fire chewy, fire Buttman, in fact Buck Fettman, bring back old time hockey.
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All Star Game was weak...NHL cant do anything right...Commercial break after a goal?....Games sucked because they all went half speed out there and they all tried to make the perfect pass instead of shooting when they were wide open


This has been happening since the 90s when checking was removed from the game. Now, I understand the sentiment, but I'll never understand the players' decision to lollygag through the game as if it was the Ice Capades.
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All Star Game was weak...NHL cant do anything right...Commercial break after a goal?....Games sucked because they all went half speed out there and they all tried to make the perfect pass instead of shooting when they were wide open


The defensive play reminded me of a Rangers game.
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“”Alain Vigneault said on Wednesday that he is expecting "quite a few players" to "elevate their game as the Rangers resume the regular season tonight against the Leafs.””


Which brings up the question “why didn’t you expect this 40 games ago coach?”
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Coach Moron
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Well if the talking heads haven’t touched on changing the coach yet it has to have entered the post game discussion tonight.

Edited by Rranger 2018-02-01 8:03 PM
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Alain Vigneault met with the media on MSG following the loss to the Leafs and said:

On the game, "hockey is a game of mistakes and there weren't a lot of opportunities on both sides in the first two periods but for the looks that they got, they made us pay and we weren't able to make them pay for any of the looks. At the end of the day that sort of sums it up pretty easily."
Why was the team "scared" to make plays, "sometimes after games, players mis-say what they really want to say. I'm not sure that whoever told you that, that is his intention. There were definitely some plays that we needed to make, whether it be on their first goal, when we didn't handle the puck twice like we should have or on the second goal when we didn't check the way we can with the structure we were supposed to have. That has nothing to do with being scared, just not making the plays. At the end of the day, there weren't a lot of looks, especially in the first two periods from both teams, but they were able to capitalize."
"we had two really good practices prior to this, we should have been better than this."
On Buchnevich, "in the second period he took an elbow to the jaw so they took him out. I haven't asked."




Well the good news is we got some looks.

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Alain Vigneault met with the media on MSG following the loss to the Leafs and said:

On the game, "hockey is a game of mistakes and there weren't a lot of opportunities on both sides in the first two periods but for the looks that they got, they made us pay and we weren't able to make them pay for any of the looks. At the end of the day that sort of sums it up pretty easily."
Why was the team "scared" to make plays, "sometimes after games, players mis-say what they really want to say. I'm not sure that whoever told you that, that is his intention. There were definitely some plays that we needed to make, whether it be on their first goal, when we didn't handle the puck twice like we should have or on the second goal when we didn't check the way we can with the structure we were supposed to have. That has nothing to do with being scared, just not making the plays. At the end of the day, there weren't a lot of looks, especially in the first two periods from both teams, but they were able to capitalize."
"we had two really good practices prior to this, we should have been better than this."
On Buchnevich, "in the second period he took an elbow to the jaw so they took him out. I haven't asked."




Well the good news is we got some looks.



I can't believe this moron of a coach doesn't even ask about his players health. He said the same thing about Hayes and Grabner when they missed some games..

And, now Mr Genius is moving Vesey from 4th line to 1st. This bum thinks players are yo-yos
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Next 6 games are a tall order...I can see them losing all 6
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Not only that as the old saying goes this is the time that seperates boys from men, pretenders from contenders.
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Yep....sell sell sell....It's over Johnny...Jeff Spicoli wouldn't even approve of this team
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Yeah I saw that... I hope he changes his mind lol
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It's not up to him

That being said, he's not going anywhete.... nor should he.

They can trade Nash Grabner and Holden.... McDonagh in the Summer maybe, and still ice a contender next year. I bet JVR comes here on a discount.

Shestyorkin is almost here, and I want Lundqvist mentoring him when he arrives.
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Henrik does have a NMC according to cap friendly
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-02-02 10:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBuvRk1thQ

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hahahaha
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We need a coach who the young players can thrive under...AV ain’t it.....without great goaltending he is a very mediocre coach....we also need to adapt to the cap world...no loyalty thank you contracts that last forever after the players best years have passed...lock up young kids yes...we lead the league in buyouts....team is 90 years old and only 4 Cups and only 9 retired numbers when Ratelle goes up....and you can argue there are a couple fugaze retired numbers up there
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Mikey Red - 2018-02-02 10:37 PM

We need a coach who the young players can thrive under...AV ain’t it.....without great goaltending he is a very mediocre coach....we also need to adapt to the cap world...no loyalty thank you contracts that last forever after the players best years have passed...lock up young kids yes...we lead the league in buyouts....team is 90 years old and only 4 Cups and only 9 retired numbers when Ratelle goes up....and you can argue there are a couple fugaze retired numbers up there


I know most of us try and tune Sam and Motormouth but if one had listened with half an ear, something would have stood out -- Sam kept commenting on the fact that the Leafs had their young players on the ice in crucial situations (he even seemed amazed when he saw two rookie d-men on the ice together)....last minutes of a period, important faceoffs in defensive zone, etc. -- namely giving them responsibility and learning experience that will prove invaluable down the road.

When was the last time ANYONE in Rangers management even considered the possibility?
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This gem from chewy after the Preds game.

“”””On the level of concern, "we've had, in my estimation - this is my opinion, we've played some pretty good hockey but not gotten the results that I believe some of that hockey should have gotten us. At the end of the day the results are what they are, right now we need to regroup. We will work on getting better tomorrow and get ready for our next game."”””

Which raises the question WTF is he watching. This coach has lost the team, time to take him to the bus depot and buy him a ticket.

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Mikey Red - 2018-02-02 10:37 PM

We need a coach who the young players can thrive under...AV ain’t it.....without great goaltending he is a very mediocre coach....we also need to adapt to the cap world...no loyalty thank you contracts that last forever after the players best years have passed...lock up young kids yes...we lead the league in buyouts....team is 90 years old and only 4 Cups and only 9 retired numbers when Ratelle goes up....and you can argue there are a couple fugaze retired numbers up there


I know most of us try and tune Sam and Motormouth but if one had listened with half an ear, something would have stood out -- Sam kept commenting on the fact that the Leafs had their young players on the ice in crucial situations (he even seemed amazed when he saw two rookie d-men on the ice together)....last minutes of a period, important faceoffs in defensive zone, etc. -- namely giving them responsibility and learning experience that will prove invaluable down the road.

When was the last time ANYONE in Rangers management even considered the possibility?


Why would the rangers do that? They dont have any young players on the team to even try it.
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My worry is, the injuries could be sited as the problem with this team, and the coaches could wind up safe.

I hear that....That would be a complete tragedy
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Steady Eddie - 2018-02-04 10:10 AM

My worry is, the injuries could be sited as the problem with this team, and the coaches could wind up safe.

I hear that....That would be a complete tragedy





Management would have to be blind to not see poor utilization of players. The little mistakes happening every shift leading to shots on goal against and the more often than naught higher goals against than goals for. The non existent breakout the Rangers use. Somewhere along the line chewy has got confused. All teams dump and chase the puck in the other teams end. The Rangers dump the puck out of their zone and then chase it in the neutral zone, usually unsuccessfully, as the other team dumps it back into the Rangers zone where the Rangers puck chase continues. Players going through the motions hardly breaking a sweat. I have to believe the Rangers are in the midst of how do we torpedo this guy talks and whats our replacement plan, and that the replacement plan is the holdup, because who's out there? Reality is not much. They have to get to summer in the hopes some viable candidates shake lose.
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The problem with this team is the disaster of a start.... if they won in October and November, they'd be buyers.

But they didn't win.... they were flat coming out of the gate, and the blame has to be placed somewhere.....

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The problem with this team is the disaster of a start.... if they won in October and November, they'd be buyers.

But they didn't win.... they were flat coming out of the gate, and the blame has to be placed somewhere.....






The Rangers pulled themselves into good position going 8 wins and 4 losses in November. They were in the race and their bad start was behind them. 3 regulation time wins in their last 16 games is the problem, with no sign of improving, only signs of getting worse in sight.

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The problem with this team is the disaster of a start.... if they won in October and November, they'd be buyers.

But they didn't win.... they were flat coming out of the gate, and the blame has to be placed somewhere.....


Also Trading Stepan and Raanta for nothing and signing Shattenkirk and Smith were mistakes
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He is off the table, injured.
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-02-04 4:38 PM

He is off the table, injured.

Yep...I would do it anyway
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Larry Brooks article from yesterday

Teams cross-scout each other extensively at this time of year, not only on the NHL level, but at the AHL and junior levels as well. So it would be ill-advised to make too much of Lightning assistant GM Pat Verbeek’s presence at the Garden last week or Rangers assistant GM Chris Drury’s attendance at the Lightning’s AHL Syracuse game at Utica on Friday.

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Know this, however: there is definitely mutual interest in exploring whether a match can be made so that Ryan McDonagh might join Ryan Callahan and Dan Girardi with Tampa Bay, whose organization is brimming with young assets, but perhaps none of elite quality.

The Rangers are believed willing to assume up to 50 percent of McDonagh’s $4.7 million cap hit that runs through next year in order to get what the organization believes is a commensurate return for No. 27’s talents.

Minnesota would be a point of interest, as well.

The Blueshirts are also likely to pick up 50 percent of the remainder of premier rental property Rick Nash’s full-season $7.8 million cap hit, with Nashville, Columbus, Dallas, St. Louis, San Jose and perhaps Pittsburgh as relevant parties of the other part.

The Coyotes, we’ve learned, have made it known that Max Domi, with three goals this season and 12 in the two years following his 18-goal rookie season, is there for the taking.

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Posted 2018-02-04 4:52 PM (#695376 - in reply to #695351)
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sk4life40 - 2018-02-04 8:03 AM

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Mikey Red - 2018-02-02 10:37 PM

We need a coach who the young players can thrive under...AV ain’t it.....without great goaltending he is a very mediocre coach....we also need to adapt to the cap world...no loyalty thank you contracts that last forever after the players best years have passed...lock up young kids yes...we lead the league in buyouts....team is 90 years old and only 4 Cups and only 9 retired numbers when Ratelle goes up....and you can argue there are a couple fugaze retired numbers up there


I know most of us try and tune Sam and Motormouth but if one had listened with half an ear, something would have stood out -- Sam kept commenting on the fact that the Leafs had their young players on the ice in crucial situations (he even seemed amazed when he saw two rookie d-men on the ice together)....last minutes of a period, important faceoffs in defensive zone, etc. -- namely giving them responsibility and learning experience that will prove invaluable down the road.

When was the last time ANYONE in Rangers management even considered the possibility?


Why would the rangers do that? They dont have any young players on the team to even try it.
My point is that every other team seems to use this approach .. kid makes a mistake, he's spoken to by the coaches and, in most cases, sent back out. Chances are the player will not make the mistake again. Here, you so much as look at the puck wrong, you're (a) nailed to the bench or (b) relegated to the press box...possibly even demoted to AHL...confidence shaken....afraid to make a mistake at all.

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It's all AV's fault. He transformed a solid core of players with potential into this messy blob of jelly.

So what does this organization do? Blow it all up while keeping the moron responsible behind the bench.
Does anyone else find this completely absurd? Or am I missing something?

I mean find a real coach and see who's who and what's what. Then consider changing the players.
I'm pretty sure that a real coach would not be in this mess right now with this group of players.
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It's all AV's fault. He transformed a solid core of players with potential into this messy blob of jelly.

So what does this organization do? Blow it all up while keeping the moron responsible behind the bench.
Does anyone else find this completely absurd? Or am I missing something?

I mean find a real coach and see who's who and what's what. Then consider changing the players.
I'm pretty sure that a real coach would not be in this mess right now with this group of players.




Nash and Grabner are probably unaffordable. And at some point in time you have to restock, trading those two should bring back a couple of firsts and more. To me they have to do that, especially when you consider there would be a opportunity to resign either one this summer. The Desharnais and Holdens by all means make deals. If they are going to trade McDonagh, Zucc, and even Lundqvist you are cutting deep into the core of the team. You have to get back young future core players, that are on the team no later than starting next season.
And you do all this knowing Vigneault is gone at the end of the season, no later. Keeping him on til the end of the season has one primary reason. He's done a good job of getting the Rangers, despite all their talent into the draft lottery, and his continued coaching should move the Rangers up in the draft order, as three or four teams are only 5 points behind the Rangers, and will likely pass them in the standings, thereby improving the Ranger lottery chances. I say don't upset the apple cart.

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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-02-03 9:39 PM

Put AV out of OUR misery, time to end it.


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And you do all this knowing Vigneault is gone at the end of the season, no later. Keeping him on til the end of the season has one primary reason. He's done a good job of getting the Rangers, despite all their talent into the draft lottery, and his continued coaching should move the Rangers up in the draft order, as three or four teams are only 5 points behind the Rangers, and will likely pass them in the standings, thereby improving the Ranger lottery chances. I say don't upset the apple cart.


Funny you should mention this - watching the game on Thursday, I made my Feb 1 prediction - Rangers will be in the draft lottery. Hope I do better that with my pre-season prediction (Grabner doesn't hit double digits in goals this season)
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Posted 2018-02-05 10:59 AM (#695390 - in reply to #695389)
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And you do all this knowing Vigneault is gone at the end of the season, no later. Keeping him on til the end of the season has one primary reason. He's done a good job of getting the Rangers, despite all their talent into the draft lottery, and his continued coaching should move the Rangers up in the draft order, as three or four teams are only 5 points behind the Rangers, and will likely pass them in the standings, thereby improving the Ranger lottery chances. I say don't upset the apple cart.


Funny you should mention this - watching the game on Thursday, I made my Feb 1 prediction - Rangers will be in the draft lottery. Hope I do better that with my pre-season prediction (Grabner doesn't hit double digits in goals this season)




Ya they are pretty much toast and heading in one direction.
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I'll be the first to blame the coach for poor utilization and improper handling of youngsters, but this team is flawed as much because of how it was built. That's Gorton's problem.

Zbad and Hayes have not stepped into the void left by Stepan. Further compounding this issue, is Desharnais has been put into more situations that are above his head, Andersson not ready, and Miller having to shift to C to help center depth. Those are almost all on the GM, not the coach.

Defensive depth has been a problem all year. I had higher hopes for Smith (also note his punitive benching by AV) but the Rangers have 3 good defensemen, two of which have been playing all year with injury, and then Staal-Holden-whoever rounding out the top 6. That's an average defense when they're all healthy, now that Shattenkirk and Staal are out and McDonagh STILL playing injured it's a complete sh!tshow.

At this point I hope some kids get a couple of injury callups but I also want Andersson and Chytil to stay in Hartford for the year and try to adjust down there without the spotlight of NYC. They're so young they have plenty of time. But in the meantime Gorton needs to call up literally any of the kids on defense to get a decent look at them. If they can't cut it send them down and get another one. Hartford has a very promising stock of good/not great young defensemen right now and any one of them could be a long term bottom pair candidate - Gilmour, Graves, Pedrie, Sproul, Crawley, Pionk. Now is the time to call one up and get a look! But they won't do it.

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While I agree with most of what you say, I honestly would NOT expose any of those young d-men to AV's influence.
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Posted 2018-02-05 1:21 PM (#695401 - in reply to #695397)
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While I agree with most of what you say, I honestly would NOT expose any of those young d-men to AV's influence.


They will get a great lesson in how not to play defense at the NHL level.
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Posted 2018-02-05 2:29 PM (#695403 - in reply to #695401)
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Mjolnir - 2018-02-05 12:08 PM

While I agree with most of what you say, I honestly would NOT expose any of those young d-men to AV's influence.


They will get a great lesson in how not to play defense at the NHL level.

I'd rather they learn what not to do some other way.
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Posted 2018-02-05 10:25 PM (#695510 - in reply to #683557)
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People need to wake up to the fact teams were not lining up to get their hands on Stepan. His money, term and contract clauses were just stupid. Number 1 center money for a guy that was morphing into a dog right in front of us. I thank him for his service when he played hard but I was glad to see his lazy ass get traded. It’s not Gorton’s fault Stepan had little interest around the league. DeAngelo needs some more time to get his feet wet, he really hasn’t been that bad, playing third pair minutes, he’s held his own. As usual tonight the guys ahead of him were on for the goals against. Between DeAngelo and Andersson this trade might still work out in the Rangers favour. Especially when in reality, it was as much a salary dump for a guy the Rangers did not want any more. Being able to draft Andersson, allowed the Rangers to take a flyer on Chytil, and looking back in 2 years it might might look like some pretty good moves by Gorton. It’s to early to judge the return.
Desharnais shows up after a nice little chat Vigneault had with his old coach Michel Therrien. Again Chewy all in on starting the season with three centres and go from there. Nieves was fine as the fourth center and after watching Holland you ask why isn’t Nieves up here getting valuable fourth line center experience, he’s almost a prototypical fourth line center. Boo should be up here instead of Holland or Desharnais..
You want to criticize Gorton we’ll feel free about signing Shattenkirk, unless his knee surgery is successful, and we see a better faster dman on his return, because at present he sucks. That was a poorly researched, and poorly concluded signing. Watching Radulov again tonight, I’d take him over Shattenkirk, the guys a leader and plays the game hard, the type of gamer the Rangers need. He proved it in the playoffs against the Rangers and removed all doubt tonight. He’d have had a lot more positive influence on the Rangers than Shattenkirk has.
You’d still pretty much have a d that needs some turnover, but moving Nash and Grabner might have beefed up the D and if Andersson and Chytil are for real there is some replacements next season.
The defense is the same ****show it’s been for three years. It’s not going to improve until a coach comes in and changes the system to compensate for what is not a fast skating crew, and simplifies the puck movement and breakouts in their end because right now they are non existent. Chewys breakouts have evolved to clear and chase. It’s brutal.
Before you throw blame on Gorton keep the Stepan trade real, no one else offered a better deal, and they absolutely had to get rid of him. And even Shattenkirk is more of the same crap like Yandle and Boyle. Chewys in this up to his neck on these decisions and green lighted every one of them. Hell you can go back to dumping Anton Stralman the guy who’s never been replaced to sign Boyle to see where the defensive gong show started. These moves were specific to filling a veteran coaches wants. Chewy got everything he asked for.


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Posted 2018-02-06 8:26 AM (#695513 - in reply to #683557)
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Stepan would not make this years Rangers any better.

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Posted 2018-02-06 9:59 AM (#695519 - in reply to #683557)
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honestly if they had kept Stepan instead it would have only dragged the whole "we can still compete" idea out even further and been more hurtful to the team. If Stepan was the first of multiple trades to begin a legitimate rebuild, then fine, but rather than just admitting to that and committing - they try to sell the "rebuild on the fly" crap that I've gone on and on about, and never really works. You're just doing two things half assed, trying to rebuild and trying to compete. This is rare even for repeat champs. This core has never won a Cup, only been to the finals once, they just didn't have the foundation in place to execute a rebuild on the fly like a Chicago/LA/Pittsburgh might be able to. Even those teams are struggling.

This is not a cup team, nor do they have the core pieces to just "make some tweaks" and try again next year. It's time for a rebuild, we'll see if Gorton does the right thing for the team and embraces that at the deadline.


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honestly if they had kept Stepan instead it would have only dragged the whole "we can still compete" idea out even further and been more hurtful to the team. If Stepan was the first of multiple trades to begin a legitimate rebuild, then fine, but rather than just admitting to that and committing - they try to sell the "rebuild on the fly" crap that I've gone on and on about, and never really works. You're just doing two things half assed, trying to rebuild and trying to compete. This is rare even for repeat champs. This core has never won a Cup, only been to the finals once, they just didn't have the foundation in place to execute a rebuild on the fly like a Chicago/LA/Pittsburgh might be able to. Even those teams are struggling.

This is not a cup team, nor do they have the core pieces to just "make some tweaks" and try again next year. It's time for a rebuild, we'll see if Gorton does the right thing for the team and embraces that at the deadline.





Next year Buchnevich, Fast, Hayes, Kreider, Lettieri, Miller, Vesey, Zibanejad and Chytil and Andersson should all get a look by a new coach and then if any more need purging they can be moved. When I look at that group excluding Andersson, Lettieri, and Chytil I see a bunch of players not playing up to their potential. That’s on you know who. The defense can hopefully get cleaned out and restocked from the Grabner, Nash, McDonagh?,Zuccarello?, Possible trades. The defense is the main problem with a couple of free agent signings rearing their ugly head in Smith and Shattenkirk and a aging Staal. At this point the only guys I’d like to see back are Skjei and DeAngelo, but from what I see watching Skjei lately, his game has fallen so far he’s playing his way out of the untouchable category. You want a tear down well they can start on the defense as stage one this deadline and off season. After that I don’t have a problem if a new coach comes in and wants any of the retained forwards moved, I just don’t want them moved on a condemned coaches say so. If they did start moving players from the above retained group next year then there’s your complete tear down being finished next season.

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Skjei, DeAngelo, Smith should be given a good look under a defensive scheme that works (and fits their skills). I think I'm the only one feels Smith can be useful here.
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Skjei, DeAngelo, Smith should be given a good look under a defensive scheme that works (and fits their skills). I think I'm the only one feels Smith can be useful here.




I don’t disagree with you about Smith. I agree he could be a asset under a different coach. He’s not and never was going to be a fit with Chewy.
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Mjolnir - 2018-02-06 12:11 PM

Skjei, DeAngelo, Smith should be given a good look under a defensive scheme that works (and fits their skills). I think I'm the only one feels Smith can be useful here.




I don’t disagree with you about Smith. I agree he could be a asset under a different coach. He’s not and never was going to be a fit with Chewy.


What defenseman does fit with him? I haven't seen one yet. I'm willing to give all our defensemen another shot once he's gone. Pending they aren't traded.
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Next year Buchnevich, Fast, Hayes, Kreider, Lettieri, Miller, Vesey, Zibanejad and Chytil and Andersson should all get a look by a new coach and then if any more need purging they can be moved. When I look at that group excluding Andersson, Lettieri, and Chytil I see a bunch of players not playing up to their potential. That’s on you know who.


Being really careful not to sound like an AV apologist but i think you and i are seeing the same thing and drawing different conclusions.

You see players not playing up to their potential, i see players near their potential being asked to play roles that are quite frankly unrealistic.

Is Zbad a first line center who’s not playing to his potential? Or is he really more of a second line level guy who shouldn’t be drawing top matchups? I say the latter.

Is Hayes a second line guy that can add consistent secondary scoring, or is he more of a third line type ? Again i say the latter.

Is Fast really underperforming or is this just the player he is?

Vesey was projected to be about a third line scoring forward on a deep team, potential top 6 on a weak team, so isn’t he producing at about his level?

Buchnevich i’ll give you - AV has consistently misused and suppressed his contribution.

Truthfully this team has multiple issues and they all feed off each other but i think there is a good chance that for some of these guys, what you see is what you get. It’s not like they haven’t gotten the opportunity.




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Rranger - 2018-02-06 12:43 PM


Next year Buchnevich, Fast, Hayes, Kreider, Lettieri, Miller, Vesey, Zibanejad and Chytil and Andersson should all get a look by a new coach and then if any more need purging they can be moved. When I look at that group excluding Andersson, Lettieri, and Chytil I see a bunch of players not playing up to their potential. That’s on you know who.


Being really careful not to sound like 8mm an AV apologist but i think uou and i are seeing the same thjng and drawing different conclusions.

You see players not playing up to their potential, i see players near their potential being asked to play roles that are quite frankly unrealistic.

Is Zbad a first line center who’s not playing to his potential? Or is he really more of a second line level guy who shouldn’t be drawing top matchups? I say the latter.

Is Hayes a second line guy that can add consistent secondary scoring, or is he more of a third line type ? Again i say the latter.

Is Fast really underperforming or is this just the player he is?

Vesey was projected to be about a third line scoring forward on a deep team, potential top 6 on a weak team, so isn’t he producing at about his level?

Buchnevich i’ll give you - AV has consistently misused and suppressed his contribution.

Truthfully this team has multiple issues and they all feed off each other but i think there is a good chance that for some of these guys, what you see is what you get. It’s not like they haven’t hotten the opportunity.




We are pretty much on point. Fast's trading at the deadline wouldn't disappoint me.. I don't see much upside in his game and suspect Chewys reverence in his play might not be duplicated by a new coach. he is in the bunch but not a underachiever.
Until you see consistent play out of the rest, you don't know what you have, and inconsistent play is the poster word for this coach. I'm not ready to label any of the others until they get a shot with a different coach, and then they have it to do.
I said when Desharnais was signed it was as the number two center, with Hayes as number three and all the while Chewy yapped about how good Desharnais was as Montreal's top center with Pacioretty, and how he was grooming Hayes to be a shut down center. Pretty obvious where chewy had Desharnais pegged. Desharnais blew up in the Rangers face, as Stepan replacement plan for this year proving to be basically useless. Forcing Hayes who is being allowed to float his way through to many games, into a second center role..I agree he could be a ideal third center but his effort has to pickup because its just not there. He teases with some offense that could really make him a very good all round third center, but we won't see that happen with this coach.

I believe the forward core is capable of better results. The rest including Hayes need a new voice demanding and getting effort and consistency, and when you see that, then you know what you have. A new coach comes in does his own evaluations after seeing players in managements recommended roles for awhile, and then juggles them into roles he believes they can fill. And then I'm all in on start dumping dead wood.


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Vua - 2018-02-06 1:02 PM

Rranger - 2018-02-06 1:31 PM

Mjolnir - 2018-02-06 12:11 PM

Skjei, DeAngelo, Smith should be given a good look under a defensive scheme that works (and fits their skills). I think I'm the only one feels Smith can be useful here.




I don’t disagree with you about Smith. I agree he could be a asset under a different coach. He’s not and never was going to be a fit with Chewy.


What defenseman does fit with him? I haven't seen one yet. I'm willing to give all our defensemen another shot once he's gone. Pending they aren't traded.




Iagree I'd be changing the coach before I start trading to many players.
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If the team overall were better, a lot of the deficiencies would be masked. Everyone would have a few more points, criticisms would be lessened/nonexistent, because the team is winning. But we've seen most of these guys for 2+ years now, I think they are pretty much in the range of what they are. Again I'll give a pass to Buchnevich because he's easily one of the top offensive players on the team, by point production or "fancy stats" and AV will still bury him on the 4th line and not play him in the third. It's infuriating.

Hayes though, we've seen for 3 years, Zbad for 2 years (both injury shortened), Miller we've seen for what seems like forever, although he gets a bit of a pass also because he often gets the same treatment as Buchnevich. Plus he's had to shift to C and I think it's clear he's better at wing. It's the same thing I've been saying about Krieder for a few years now - what you see is what you get. The chances of Kreider breaking out into a 40 goal power forward are not high. Same with Zbad turning into a legit #1, or Hayes giving consistent effort.

Desharnais, I think honestly has been fine, but a contender signs DD as a fourth liner who can fill on the third. He's being asked to do too much as a utility part. He doesn't get talked about in The Purge but I wouldn't be at all surprised if a savvy GM picked him up as a veteran insurance part. He's not coming back to NYR next year anyway.

Fast - a serviceable defensive bottom 6 player. His name doesn't come up either but again I wouldn't be surprised if someone took on the rest of his deal to have a solid young bottom 6 player at a decent price.

My list of "untouchables" at this point is very small. It's a handful at best and they're all young players. Then I have a small group of nostalgia players who I'd miss seeing as Rangers, but if the deal is good, then take it. The rest of them can fill sweaters elsewhere.




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Posted 2018-02-07 11:31 AM (#695555 - in reply to #695550)
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Skjei, DeAngelo, Smith should be given a good look under a defensive scheme that works (and fits their skills). I think I'm the only one feels Smith can be useful here.




I don’t disagree with you about Smith. I agree he could be a asset under a different coach. He’s not and never was going to be a fit with Chewy.


What defenseman does fit with him? I haven't seen one yet. I'm willing to give all our defensemen another shot once he's gone. Pending they aren't traded.




Iagree I'd be changing the coach before I start trading to many players.


If this doesn't happen, nothing else really matters. Unless the plan is to sell for young, non-nhl assets, and give chewy another year while our youngsters develop in other leagues. However I think this is not a great plan but would be the only way I could stomach another year of AV.

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But we've seen most of these guys for 2+ years now, I think they are pretty much in the range of what they are.

Yeah, we've seen them under AV.

'Nuff said.

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If the team overall were better, a lot of the deficiencies would be masked. Everyone would have a few more points, criticisms would be lessened/nonexistent, because the team is winning. But we've seen most of these guys for 2+ years now, I think they are pretty much in the range of what they are. Again I'll give a pass to Buchnevich because he's easily one of the top offensive players on the team, by point production or "fancy stats" and AV will still bury him on the 4th line and not play him in the third. It's infuriating.

Hayes though, we've seen for 3 years, Zbad for 2 years (both injury shortened), Miller we've seen for what seems like forever, although he gets a bit of a pass also because he often gets the same treatment as Buchnevich. Plus he's had to shift to C and I think it's clear he's better at wing. It's the same thing I've been saying about Krieder for a few years now - what you see is what you get. The chances of Kreider breaking out into a 40 goal power forward are not high. Same with Zbad turning into a legit #1, or Hayes giving consistent effort.

Desharnais, I think honestly has been fine, but a contender signs DD as a fourth liner who can fill on the third. He's being asked to do too much as a utility part. He doesn't get talked about in The Purge but I wouldn't be at all surprised if a savvy GM picked him up as a veteran insurance part. He's not coming back to NYR next year anyway.

Fast - a serviceable defensive bottom 6 player. His name doesn't come up either but again I wouldn't be surprised if someone took on the rest of his deal to have a solid young bottom 6 player at a decent price.

My list of "untouchables" at this point is very small. It's a handful at best and they're all young players. Then I have a small group of nostalgia players who I'd miss seeing as Rangers, but if the deal is good, then take it. The rest of them can fill sweaters elsewhere.







The only real difference we have is you might part with a young player now based on performance, where I would rather a young guy got a opportunity under a new coach for some more assessment. I believe there are to many under performing players to start firing Miller, Hayes, Kreider ect out the door. Change coach a little more evaluation and then make the call.
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For the AV supporters like Stumped or Dumped here you go.



https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/the-pros-and-cons-of-moving-forward-wi...

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For the AV supporters like Stumped or Dumped here you go.



https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/the-pros-and-cons-of-moving-forward-wi...

Not that it matters to anyone...but if AV is indeed the Rangers coach next season then I'm not gonna watch very closely.

I mean I am so disgusted by his ways and pussy mentality that I can't even watch the 2017 Road to Winter Classic.
Just because he's in it.

I simply can't stand him. His stubbornness most likely robbed this generation of Rangers teams, Henrik in particular, and the fan base, he robbed us of a Stanley Cup.

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Rranger - 2018-02-08 1:53 AM

For the AV supporters like Stumped or Dumped here you go.



https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/the-pros-and-cons-of-moving-forward-wi...

Not that it matters to anyone...but if AV is indeed the Rangers coach next season then I'm not gonna watch very closely.

I mean I am so disgusted by his ways and pussy mentality that I can't even watch the 2017 Road to Winter Classic.
Just because he's in it.

I simply can't stand him. His stubbornness most likely robbed this generation of Rangers teams, Henrik in particular, and the fan base, he robbed us of a Stanley Cup.






I’m inclined to agree. I can’t wait for the door to hit him in the back.
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The pros and cons of moving forward without Alain Vigneault
February 7, 2018 | 7:16pm By Larry Brooks

Most of us here know the answer to this quiz by now, here are some quotes from the article.

"It is safe to say that the Rangers coach is not necessarily safe for a sixth season"

"Management or ownership would be derelict not to review the situation"

"Truth be told, even with a lineup marked with deep potholes down the middle and on the blue line, the Rangers have not seemed responsive for long stretches at a time to Vigneault’s particular style"

"There is also reason to question whether Vigneault is the right man to trust with the development of a very young team, given his tendencies to practice tough love on kids while according the benefit of the doubt to veterans, even those who are marginal NHLers." My personal Fav!

"Wednesday’s 6-1 Garden rout by the Bruins marked the depleted, demoralized team’s fourth straight loss and seventh in the past eight games"

"Plus, there must be an inspection of whether Vigneault’s undying belief in whistle-to-whistle, turn-the-other-cheek hockey has created a passive mentality among the Rangers. When Chris Kreider stood up for McDonagh after the captain was run from behind by Steven Stamkos in Tampa Bay in Game 6 of the 2015 conference finals, No. 20 was rebuked by the coach for picking up an additional two minutes. When Brendan Smith stood up for Tony DeAngelo in an imbroglio in L.A. with Trevor Lewis on Jan. 21, he was chastised for picking up a bad penalty"

https://nypost.com/2018/02/07/the-pros-and-cons-of-moving-forward-wi...



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Well...Im up and I don't see anywhere that AV has been fired.
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The only real difference we have is you might part with a young player now based on performance, where I would rather a young guy got a opportunity under a new coach for some more assessment. I believe there are to many under performing players to start firing Miller, Hayes, Kreider ect out the door. Change coach a little more evaluation and then make the call.


I don't disagree and I'm not advocating for getting rid of all of them, however if you gave me market value for any of those guys I'd be fine with it. In the end they are perfectly serviceable players, I'm just saying that with every passing season the chances for them to "fulfill their potential" decreases exponentially. Miller is probably a solid 40-50 point guy, but I doubt he'll ever crack 60. Same with most of those other guys, they're mid-tier guys. That's fine you need mid-tier guys. But to win you also need elite guys and we need to get them elsewhere.

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Well...Im up and I don't see anywhere that AV has been fired.






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The only real difference we have is you might part with a young player now based on performance, where I would rather a young guy got a opportunity under a new coach for some more assessment. I believe there are to many under performing players to start firing Miller, Hayes, Kreider ect out the door. Change coach a little more evaluation and then make the call.


I don't disagree and I'm not advocating for getting rid of all of them, however if you gave me market value for any of those guys I'd be fine with it. In the end they are perfectly serviceable players, I'm just saying that with every passing season the chances for them to "fulfill their potential" decreases exponentially. Miller is probably a solid 40-50 point guy, but I doubt he'll ever crack 60. Same with most of those other guys, they're mid-tier guys. That's fine you need mid-tier guys. But to win you also need elite guys and we need to get them elsewhere.




In fairness to most there should be a learning curve and accompanying somewhat of a upwards points curve as they mature and gain experience.. Players under chewy peak when they meet him. Stepan is a great example never improved pointwise under Chewy. Like most of the rest. But firing him will shed a different light. And it works both ways some might flourish under a new coach some may not. I'll take my chances on the former.

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The idea that AV stays just boggles the mind. You cannot trade the whole team. His systems no longer work on this team and no trades or waives are going to change that. He clearly has not changed. AV must be very charming and good at managing upwards.

It is time for a new voice to lead the Rangers.
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The idea that AV stays just boggles the mind. You cannot trade the whole team. His systems no longer work on this team and no trades or waives are going to change that. He clearly has not changed. AV must be very charming and good at managing upwards.

It is time for a new voice to lead the Rangers.

It really is flabbergasting...

AV is that type of coach whose instinct will always lead him to preferring vets over kids. He just isn't the right coach for the kids.
Now I'm not a hockey genius but if we sell out, we are not getting vets back, right?
It's gonna be picks and prospects, right?

So how the heck does this mix and match?

Flabbergasting... (is that a word?)
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Well I just watched the press conference. A.V. is a good coach was the message.
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Yeah, I think he's gone at the end of the year. Not much point changing it up now unless you have a great candidate who is available...let him finish the season and start a new season with a new coach
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Yeah, I think he's gone at the end of the year. Not much point changing it up now unless you have a great candidate who is available...let him finish the season and start a new season with a new coach






I agree, I think the draft possibilities improve every day he remains. He blew chewys horn in full support, like he should. Hopefully it was just the traditional we love the coach before the firing press conference.
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The idea that AV stays just boggles the mind. You cannot trade the whole team. His systems no longer work on this team and no trades or waives are going to change that. He clearly has not changed. AV must be very charming and good at managing upwards.

It is time for a new voice to lead the Rangers.
His systems didn't work all that well in Vancouver either....I recall some Nucks fans warning us abouty him....oddly enough, what's happening here is exactly what happened there.
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The only real difference we have is you might part with a young player now based on performance, where I would rather a young guy got a opportunity under a new coach for some more assessment. I believe there are to many under performing players to start firing Miller, Hayes, Kreider ect out the door. Change coach a little more evaluation and then make the call.


I don't disagree and I'm not advocating for getting rid of all of them, however if you gave me market value for any of those guys I'd be fine with it. In the end they are perfectly serviceable players, I'm just saying that with every passing season the chances for them to "fulfill their potential" decreases exponentially. Miller is probably a solid 40-50 point guy, but I doubt he'll ever crack 60. Same with most of those other guys, they're mid-tier guys. That's fine you need mid-tier guys. But to win you also need elite guys and we need to get them elsewhere.

Let's hope we don't continue the pattern of getting these elite players long after their usefulness.
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The only real difference we have is you might part with a young player now based on performance, where I would rather a young guy got a opportunity under a new coach for some more assessment. I believe there are to many under performing players to start firing Miller, Hayes, Kreider ect out the door. Change coach a little more evaluation and then make the call.


I don't disagree and I'm not advocating for getting rid of all of them, however if you gave me market value for any of those guys I'd be fine with it. In the end they are perfectly serviceable players, I'm just saying that with every passing season the chances for them to "fulfill their potential" decreases exponentially. Miller is probably a solid 40-50 point guy, but I doubt he'll ever crack 60. Same with most of those other guys, they're mid-tier guys. That's fine you need mid-tier guys. But to win you also need elite guys and we need to get them elsewhere.

Let's hope we don't continue the pattern of getting these elite players long after their usefulness.






Like Ilya Kovalchuk rumoured interested in joining the Rangers.
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x10003q - 2018-02-08 12:32 PM

The idea that AV stays just boggles the mind. You cannot trade the whole team. His systems no longer work on this team and no trades or waives are going to change that. He clearly has not changed. AV must be very charming and good at managing upwards.

It is time for a new voice to lead the Rangers.
His systems didn't work all that well in Vancouver either....I recall some Nucks fans warning us abouty him....oddly enough, what's happening here is exactly what happened there.


I think every coach nowadays has a shelf life. There's only so much newness a coach can bring, and once he and the personnel have been figured out by the 100s of analysts on the teams around the league, they're pretty much done.
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Latest sportsnet buzz is J.T. Miller’s name is all over the place. Keep chewy and trade Miller sounds like something the Rangers would do.
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Neil Smith is on NHL network now basically saying the Rangers shouldnt do this...How did get our GM job? He is a total moron.....He is the guy that blew up what we are trying to acquire
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Neil Smith is on NHL network now basically saying the Rangers shouldnt do this...How did get our GM job? He is a total moron.....He is the guy that blew up what we are trying to acquire





Smith probably has had wrist replacement surgery after wearing it out writing Cheques. That was his only skill.

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Mikey Red - 2018-02-08 3:29 PM

Neil Smith is on NHL network now basically saying the Rangers shouldnt do this...How did get our GM job? He is a total moron.....He is the guy that blew up what we are trying to acquire





Smith probably has had wrist replacement surgery after wearing it out writing Cheques. That was his only skill.

Lol I still hate him
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I can understand having anyone available mentality, but I would like to have an idea of a "core" to build around.

Chytil and Andersson can be included in that core...

But to me Miller, Kreider, Hayes, Vesey, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Skjei, Shattenkirk, and Fast

Should all still be Rangers next year.

Lundqvist and Zuccarello, too.

Get your first round picksfor Nash, McDonagh, and Grabner.
Get your 2nd or 3rd rounder for Holden.
Get some depth defenseman for Deshernais or whatever

Sign your pick of UFA's in The Summer is an option.... JVR is my pick....

And you go from there.

Maybe Rangers become players for Tavares??? But I think they can ice a contender next year AND build for the future....
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If you're blowing things up then, at least to me, you should have a vision of what team you're building.
To that end it might be a solid idea to already have a coach willing and ABLE to lead the new team to success.

Knowing the Rangers brass, I don't think they're following even remotely similar process.
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Btw like I said before, I don't subscribe to blowing it all up.
I'd trade a few assets that make sense.
But before I trade the rest I'd first bring in a coach who doesn't have a chewing gum for a brain...

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This doesn’t surprise me coming from the village idiot. Nice throw of Lundqvist under the bus. At least we now know what the problem is. The guy gets dumber every time he opens his pie hole.

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-on-wanting-to-win-ev...

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This doesn’t surprise me coming from the village idiot. Nice throw of Lundqvist under the bus. At least we now know what the problem is. The guy gets dumber every time he opens his pie hole.

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-on-wanting-to-win-ev...


I guess he just expects the goalie to save him. We've been the worst defensive team in the league since he's been here but it's the goalies.
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Rranger - 2018-02-09 4:24 PM

This doesn’t surprise me coming from the village idiot. Nice throw of Lundqvist under the bus. At least we now know what the problem is. The guy gets dumber every time he opens his pie hole.

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-on-wanting-to-win-ev...


I guess he just expects the goalie to save him. We've been the worst defensive team in the league since he's been here but it's the goalies.





Hank doesn't deserve that. Thats a calculated speech by Chewys who's on his last legs. To get Hank to put the team on his back. But with Chewy coaching not even three Hanks can carry Chewys mess.
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This doesn’t surprise me coming from the village idiot. Nice throw of Lundqvist under the bus. At least we now know what the problem is. The guy gets dumber every time he opens his pie hole.

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-on-wanting-to-win-ev...

Wow...if this is his way of motivating players, I'm not at all surprised the team tuned him out long time ago.

What a focking @sshole.

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Gorton and Sather have a press conference saying we are going to rebuild......AV has an interview where he says even tho we have had bad goaltending.... we can still make the playoffs....Fire this idiot already
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Rranger - 2018-02-10 12:24 AM

This doesn’t surprise me coming from the village idiot. Nice throw of Lundqvist under the bus. At least we now know what the problem is. The guy gets dumber every time he opens his pie hole.

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-on-wanting-to-win-ev...

Wow...if this is his way of motivating players, I'm not at all surprised the team tuned him out long time ago.

What a focking @sshole.





Agreed. this type of calculated last gasp at firing the team up, will flame out quickly. Never once in this entire mess has the Coach stepped up and taken his fair share of the blame its always him doing everything right and the players not responding. Fire chewy.
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DaTeL - 2018-02-09 10:09 PM

Rranger - 2018-02-10 12:24 AM

This doesn’t surprise me coming from the village idiot. Nice throw of Lundqvist under the bus. At least we now know what the problem is. The guy gets dumber every time he opens his pie hole.

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-on-wanting-to-win-ev...

Wow...if this is his way of motivating players, I'm not at all surprised the team tuned him out long time ago.

What a focking @sshole.





Agreed. this type of calculated last gasp at firing the team up, will flame out quickly. Never once in this entire mess has the Coach stepped up and taken his fair share of the blame its always him doing everything right and the players not responding. Fire chewy.


and fire fycking Sather. This old coot needs to be put out to pasture. Ultimately - he is the reason for the inability to win the cup.
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I have never been an AV fan on any of the teams or even the Rangers.. BUT I do not think he is the problem. This team was screwed when they revamped the D into a pile of crap.... buying out Girardi long in the tooth but still plays well.. ask Tampa.... then you resign Smith who I never thought was that good.. certainly not 4 plus mil... then sign ****tenkirk who is a one dimensional y player AT BEST for 8 MILLION.. wow... add to this Klein leaving and you have a revamp which was never going to help a hall of fame goalie in the twilight of his career. As goalies that older they need more.. not less help... You also take Stepan a two-way player and remove him and you get worse D.. and you then also move up sophomore Skeji to more minutes and you have 3 D who are hopeless in their own end... McDonough who is trying to do too much.. holden who has been decent .. and a bunch of retreads.... so really the D's death this year is a major factor in the situation they face. Then your big offensive resigning got injured and Kreider has been out and there have been a heap of injuries all at the same time.... so AV is where you would expect him to be.

Changing the coach this year is a waste... a new coach is not going to make these guys better.. and I am not sure what system you can devise that will make ****tenkirk a top or even second pairing D man... he spends more time looking for a pretzel vendor than the play in his own zone.. Trotz last year moved him to the third pairing and top PP unit.. which is where he should be.. Skeji is a decent player but he is Boyle/MDZ 2.0... but he might be able to learn... then you have Holden gone... and Smith on waivers in the minors.. this team is in trouble and a new coach does not change the poor personnel on the ice.
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Posted 2018-02-13 6:54 AM (#696482 - in reply to #696478)
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Beezer, the only problem I have with your post is your post is the fact that even if the players you mentioned had remained (Girardi, Klein), the Rangers D would have been no better than they are now. While SOME of the blame can be laid at the feet of the players, the real blame has to fall on AV's shoulders. It's HIS system that they are being forced to play (which is precisely what prompted his exit). I still don't agree on Smith, but I'll with you 100% about Sh!ttykirk.

Edit -- I meant to say "(which is precisely what prompted Girardi's exit).

Edited by Mjolnir 2018-02-13 12:22 PM
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Posted 2018-02-13 11:39 AM (#696491 - in reply to #683557)
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Beezer, the issues with AV are well documented and go far beyond this year.

He forgets players on the bench.
He doesn't adjust.
He ALWAYS prefers vets over kids.
He mishandles players (e.g. Buchnevich).
He doesn't allow for line chemistry to emerge. And if it happens, he destroys it the next game/shift.
He doesn't put the best D players on the ice when it's needed.
He needs superb goaltending to cover up the tons of deficiencies of his defensive "scheme".
He instills gutless and pussified attitude in his players. They don't stand up for each other, don't hit and don't clear the front of the net.
(The list goes on)

He never won anything meaningful and he never will.
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Beezer34 - 2018-02-13 12:59 AM

I have never been an AV fan on any of the teams or even the Rangers.. BUT I do not think he is the problem. This team was screwed when they revamped the D into a pile of crap.... buying out Girardi long in the tooth but still plays well.. ask Tampa.... then you resign Smith who I never thought was that good.. certainly not 4 plus mil... then sign ****tenkirk who is a one dimensional y player AT BEST for 8 MILLION.. wow... add to this Klein leaving and you have a revamp which was never going to help a hall of fame goalie in the twilight of his career. As goalies that older they need more.. not less help... You also take Stepan a two-way player and remove him and you get worse D.. and you then also move up sophomore Skeji to more minutes and you have 3 D who are hopeless in their own end... McDonough who is trying to do too much.. holden who has been decent .. and a bunch of retreads.... so really the D's death this year is a major factor in the situation they face. Then your big offensive resigning got injured and Kreider has been out and there have been a heap of injuries all at the same time.... so AV is where you would expect him to be.

Changing the coach this year is a waste... a new coach is not going to make these guys better.. and I am not sure what system you can devise that will make ****tenkirk a top or even second pairing D man... he spends more time looking for a pretzel vendor than the play in his own zone.. Trotz last year moved him to the third pairing and top PP unit.. which is where he should be.. Skeji is a decent player but he is Boyle/MDZ 2.0... but he might be able to learn... then you have Holden gone... and Smith on waivers in the minors.. this team is in trouble and a new coach does not change the poor personnel on the ice.


Hank's talent covers up all the warts in whatever AV is coaching in the d end of the ice. If the Rangers had an average goalie, AV never would have been extended and probably been fired long ago.

AV benefited greatly from the Torts instilled team toughness. Layering the AV run and gun onto the hardened Rangers was a recipe for success. As the toughness has faded into history, the run and gun gets harder to operate as teams just fearlessly mash the Rangers and the Rangers do not return the favor. The lack of finishing checks is a huge flaw and that is all on AV.



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Posted 2018-02-15 10:49 AM (#696721 - in reply to #683557)
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Alain Vigneault said on Wednesday that tonight's game against the Isles is the Rangers "biggest game of the year so far" and that after some poor performances against the Islanders, the Rangers are "due to have a real solid 200ft game at both ends."





Some coach, hoping his team shows up instead of demanding they show up. Fire Herb.
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Posted 2018-02-15 10:29 PM (#696961 - in reply to #683557)
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Does this guy think before he speaks. Post Islander gem from gummy.

“””On putting up 50 shots, "there are a couple of areas that we are going to address quickly with our group, areas where we could get better second opportunities if we do a couple of things differently. We will address that with our group and get ready for the next game.””””


The trade deadline looming and he hasn’t discussed offensive rebounds yet? Suprise.
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Rranger - 2018-02-16 6:29 AM

Does this guy think before he speaks. Post Islander gem from gummy.

“””On putting up 50 shots, "there are a couple of areas that we are going to address quickly with our group, areas where we could get better second opportunities if we do a couple of things differently. We will address that with our group and get ready for the next game.””””


The trade deadline looming and he hasn’t discussed offensive rebounds yet? Suprise.

I'm starting to believe he's on crack.
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Posted 2018-02-15 11:37 PM (#696963 - in reply to #696962)
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Rranger - 2018-02-16 6:29 AM

Does this guy think before he speaks. Post Islander gem from gummy.

“””On putting up 50 shots, "there are a couple of areas that we are going to address quickly with our group, areas where we could get better second opportunities if we do a couple of things differently. We will address that with our group and get ready for the next game.””””


The trade deadline looming and he hasn’t discussed offensive rebounds yet? Suprise.

I'm starting to believe he's on crack.





I agree.
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Posted 2018-02-16 4:34 PM (#696981 - in reply to #696980)
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Posted 2018-02-16 7:48 PM (#696983 - in reply to #683557)
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DaTeL - 2018-02-16 12:54 AM

Rranger - 2018-02-16 6:29 AM

Does this guy think before he speaks. Post Islander gem from gummy.

“””On putting up 50 shots, "there are a couple of areas that we are going to address quickly with our group, areas where we could get better second opportunities if we do a couple of things differently. We will address that with our group and get ready for the next game.””””


The trade deadline looming and he hasn’t discussed offensive rebounds yet? Suprise.

I'm starting to believe he's on crack.

Seriously?????? You trying to give crack addicts a bad rep?
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Posted 2018-02-21 12:50 PM (#697397 - in reply to #683557)
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From Brooksy:
The Rangers have lost four straight in regulation for the second time in three weeks. The last time an Alain Vigneault team dropped five straight in regulation? That would have been Nov. 10-18 in 2000 over the coach’s final five games behind the Canadiens’ bench.


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Posted 2018-02-21 1:05 PM (#697399 - in reply to #683557)
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id vote for he survives the season and they let him go at years end. Why fire the guy now? They are entering tank mode. Why start to win games now. I'd let the season play out.
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Steady Eddie - 2018-02-21 2:50 PM

From Brooksy:
The Rangers have lost four straight in regulation for the second time in three weeks. The last time an Alain Vigneault team dropped five straight in regulation? That would have been Nov. 10-18 in 2000 over the coach’s final five games behind the Canadiens’ bench.


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Ranjaz023 - 2018-02-21 3:05 PM

id vote for he survives the season and they let him go at years end. Why fire the guy now? They are entering tank mode. Why start to win games now. I'd let the season play out.


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Posted 2018-02-22 3:29 PM (#697471 - in reply to #683557)
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Posted 2018-03-08 6:39 PM (#700119 - in reply to #683557)
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I'm really beginning to wonder does he 'coach' OR he just tells them to go out & play & just do your thing...?

Edited by LeetchyMrRanger 2018-03-08 6:40 PM
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Posted 2018-03-09 7:14 AM (#700211 - in reply to #683557)
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AV is the perfect coach for the rest of the tank job.
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Posted 2018-03-09 8:28 AM (#700216 - in reply to #683557)
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That's what I said also, there is no reason to change the coach now, season over.
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Posted 2018-03-09 9:00 AM (#700219 - in reply to #683557)
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There's no point to change coaches NOW because the season is done. But they had a chance I thought with about 30 games left to fire AV and make a run for a playoff spot. The front office clearly wanted to write off this season and start a rebuild as early as the All-Star break.

My only anxiety about AV not being fired now is that I really am afraid that they will keep his gum-chewing dumb ass for next season. If he's not fired within 48 hours of the regular season ending I'm gonna need Mike Tyson-levels of Zoloft to stay calm.
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-03-08 8:39 PM

I'm really beginning to wonder does he 'coach' OR he just tells them to go out & play & just do your thing...?
I can't believe they'd be this bad if they were doing their thing.
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Posted 2018-03-09 10:03 AM (#700222 - in reply to #700221)
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Mjolnir - 2018-03-09 8:45 AM

LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-03-08 8:39 PM

I'm really beginning to wonder does he 'coach' OR he just tells them to go out & play & just do your thing...?
I can't believe they'd be this bad if they were doing their thing.






Any coach with half a brain would know with this many new players, simplify the defensive zone coverages and breakouts, which means using the wall, something his teams flat out can’t and don’t do. Put the pucks into safe places, and here’s a novel thought for chewy, in places where a teammate can get to it first before a opposition player does. It’s a joke has been and will be as long as chewy is in the organization.
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PV29 - 2018-03-09 10:00 AM

There's no point to change coaches NOW because the season is done. But they had a chance I thought with about 30 games left to fire AV and make a run for a playoff spot. The front office clearly wanted to write off this season and start a rebuild as early as the All-Star break.

My only anxiety about AV not being fired now is that I really am afraid that they will keep his gum-chewing dumb ass for next season. If he's not fired within 48 hours of the regular season ending I'm gonna need Mike Tyson-levels of Zoloft to stay calm.


The only reasons I can see to get rid of AV now is

1) Send a symbolic message that the old regime is over and there's a new sheriff in town
2) Have someone work with the kids that are promoted, and likely to get jobs next year, so they can use the rest of this year as a transition to next year.

This only works though if you sit McLeod and Holland at the expense of player development, and bring in Letterri and Nieves and whichever other kids have a shot at the roster next season. They've shown no indication of wanting to do that because I still see O'Gara Holland McLeod, etc out there.

So just keep AV for the rest of the season I guess and waste the 20 games you have left. Might as well, it's the AV way.

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The most important thing for the rest of the season is to finish as low as possible...thats it
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Posted 2018-03-10 8:32 AM (#700240 - in reply to #683557)
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Any coach at the NHL level has to be able to recognize and maximize talent. Eric Staal was brought here at a expensive price. Chewy sized him up as a third liner and stuck him with Stalberg and Lindbergh for the majority of his time here. And he got nothing out of him. Some blame on Staal to, probably. But Boudreau gives him some decent linemates in Minnesota and a important role and 37 goals later, and Staal is on the edge of the Hart trophy conversation. Fire chewys ass.
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Posted 2018-03-10 9:21 AM (#700244 - in reply to #700240)
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Any coach at the NHL level has to be able to recognize and maximize talent. Eric Staal was brought here at a expensive price. Chewy sized him up as a third liner and stuck him with Stalberg and Lindbergh for the majority of his time here. And he got nothing out of him. Some blame on Staal to, probably. But Boudreau gives him some decent linemates in Minnesota and a important role and 37 goals later, and Staal is on the edge of the Hart trophy conversation. Fire chewys ass.


Not only that. He moved him from center to wing.

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Posted 2018-03-10 3:45 PM (#700253 - in reply to #683557)
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I don't understand how he never made a line of

Nash Staal Miller

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I don't understand how he never made a line of

Nash Staal Miller

Would have owned souls, but nooooooo





Nash and Staal go back a long ways on Canada cup teams and best Evers, World Jr’s ect. Had some success together, Staal was easily as good or better than any Ranger forward at the time. Stupid buried him on the third line. That was his “ he’s gotta go “ icing on his coaching blunders, in my mind.
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Posted 2018-03-11 7:50 PM (#700360 - in reply to #683557)
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Posted 2018-03-11 10:36 PM (#700363 - in reply to #683557)
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Interesting article. I don’t think the Rangers defense ever recovered from losing Stralman.

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-lightning-management-missteps/
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Posted 2018-03-12 8:26 AM (#700365 - in reply to #700363)
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Interesting article. I don’t think the Rangers defense ever recovered from losing Stralman.

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-lightning-management-missteps/


Not signing Stralman was a bad decision. However, the following year, the Rangers did finish first in the conference without him and got to the conference final. They added Klein for a lot less money and added Boyle for too much money, but for less years. At the time, the Rangers had money and years tied up in Girardi and Staal.

Highlighting Cally's toughness, leadership and grit because he has been injured (as expected) is a joke. You do not spend $5.8 million for 6 years to find leadership and grit. The signing of Cally has turned out as expected, lots of injuries leading to little scoring. It is a poor signing.

Girardi was misused by AV, but he still made a boatload of mistakes at important moments. Dropping to the 2nd pair and playing less minutes for TB against lessor lines certainly has helped.

The fact is, TB is loaded with talent that does not exist on the Rangers. None of these former Rangers has to be "The Man". They are all playing less important roles on TB. The same is true with MCD and Miller. MCD on second pair playing less than 20 minutes and Miller having zero pressure to produce due to TB scoring talent will make both guys better players. Miller might be a bigger loss than McD, but he was still making at least 1 or 2 x ice passes to the other team right up to the last game he played as a Ranger. AV effed with the guy, but we all saw bone head plays by miller every night. If Cally had Miller's size and physical talent, he would still be the Rangers captain.

Ultimately, TB has not done much better than the Rangers over the last 5 years. Maybe this is the year.

AV still needs to go.




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Rranger - 2018-03-12 12:36 AM

Interesting article. I don’t think the Rangers defense ever recovered from losing Stralman.

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-lightning-management-missteps/


Not signing Stralman was a bad decision. However, the following year, the Rangers did finish first in the conference without him and got to the conference final. They added Klein for a lot less money and added Boyle for too much money, but for less years. At the time, the Rangers had money and years tied up in Girardi and Staal.

Highlighting Cally's toughness, leadership and grit because he has been injured (as expected) is a joke. You do not spend $5.8 million for 6 years to find leadership and grit. The signing of Cally has turned out as expected, lots of injuries leading to little scoring. It is a poor signing.

Girardi was misused by AV, but he still made a boatload of mistakes at important moments. Dropping to the 2nd pair and playing less minutes for TB against lessor lines certainly has helped.

The fact is, TB is loaded with talent that does not exist on the Rangers. None of these former Rangers has to be "The Man". They are all playing less important roles on TB. The same is true with MCD and Miller. MCD on second pair playing less than 20 minutes and Miller having zero pressure to produce due to TB scoring talent will make both guys better players. Miller might be a bigger loss than McD, but he was still making at least 1 or 2 x ice passes to the other team right up to the last game he played as a Ranger. AV effed with the guy, but we all saw bone head plays by miller every night. If Cally had Miller's size and physical talent, he would still be the Rangers captain.

Ultimately, TB has not done much better than the Rangers over the last 5 years. Maybe this is the year.

AV still needs to go.









At the time of Stralman walking he and Girardi were both up to renew contracts. So it wasn't a case of the Rangers being committed to Girardi and Staal already, Staal re-upped the following year. Stralman was MacD right handed partner already, and the Rangers have spent 5 years stupidly trying to replace him, the majority of which Girardi his partner was constantly criticized. Stralman at $4,5 mill was the same cost as Boyle who was basically a third pair guy for the genius coach, and in fairness to the coach most nights looked like a third pair guy.. Which was a brilliant move to replace a first pair guy Stralman with a third pair guy Boyle for the same money. Thats not how smart teams get better. They already had Klein who also went to the finals with the Rangers. They should have also kept Stralman, and not been out a nickel more, including Girardi's new contract. The only difference being Stralmans 5 year contract compared to Boyles 2 years. They did go to the conference finals the following year and lost with out Stralman, but they went to the Stanley Cup finals the year before with Stralman. Losing Stralman and replacing him with Boyle was about as stupid as it gets. They have never replaced Stralman. I'm also pretty confident chewys mitts were all over the Boyle over Stralman choice.

My point is about Stralman, I don't dispute some of what you say about Callahan, Miller and Girardi, none of who's loss comes close to the loss of Stralman.

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Stralman leaving, Staal Girardi,Richards, Boyle contracts and Callahan, Hagelin, Yandle and maybe Nash all bad moves
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If you are going to trade Callahan.....you dont move him AND 2 #1's for a 38 year old player ....period
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If you are going to trade Callahan.....you dont move him AND 2 #1's for a 38 year old player ....period




I won’t argue that one, it was a over payment for St. Louis the second first round pick in particular. Although $5,800,000 is a lot of coin for Callahan in Tampa considering his production and third line or even at times fourth line status.
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Alain Vigneault is taking things one day at a time right now

9:50AM

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-is-taking-things-one...

Adam Rotter; If Vigneault is not the coach of the Rangers next season I could see Todd McLellan or Bill Peters, if they both lose their jobs, being contenders.
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RANGERNUT - 2018-03-12 1:18 PM

Alain Vigneault is taking things one day at a time right now

9:50AM

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-is-taking-things-one...

Adam Rotter; If Vigneault is not the coach of the Rangers next season I could see Todd McLellan or Bill Peters, if they both lose their jobs, being contenders.
Hopefully he is taking packing his sh!t one day at a time....How do you fire McClellan when Chiarelli gave away, Hall, Eberle, Barzal and signed Lucic to that horrendous contract?
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x10003q - 2018-03-12 7:26 AM

Rranger - 2018-03-12 12:36 AM

Interesting article. I don’t think the Rangers defense ever recovered from losing Stralman.

https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-lightning-management-missteps/


Not signing Stralman was a bad decision. However, the following year, the Rangers did finish first in the conference without him and got to the conference final. They added Klein for a lot less money and added Boyle for too much money, but for less years. At the time, the Rangers had money and years tied up in Girardi and Staal.

Highlighting Cally's toughness, leadership and grit because he has been injured (as expected) is a joke. You do not spend $5.8 million for 6 years to find leadership and grit. The signing of Cally has turned out as expected, lots of injuries leading to little scoring. It is a poor signing.

Girardi was misused by AV, but he still made a boatload of mistakes at important moments. Dropping to the 2nd pair and playing less minutes for TB against lessor lines certainly has helped.

The fact is, TB is loaded with talent that does not exist on the Rangers. None of these former Rangers has to be "The Man". They are all playing less important roles on TB. The same is true with MCD and Miller. MCD on second pair playing less than 20 minutes and Miller having zero pressure to produce due to TB scoring talent will make both guys better players. Miller might be a bigger loss than McD, but he was still making at least 1 or 2 x ice passes to the other team right up to the last game he played as a Ranger. AV effed with the guy, but we all saw bone head plays by miller every night. If Cally had Miller's size and physical talent, he would still be the Rangers captain.

Ultimately, TB has not done much better than the Rangers over the last 5 years. Maybe this is the year.

AV still needs to go.









At the time of Stralman walking he and Girardi were both up to renew contracts. So it wasn't a case of the Rangers being committed to Girardi and Staal already, Staal re-upped the following year. Stralman was MacD right handed partner already, and the Rangers have spent 5 years stupidly trying to replace him, the majority of which Girardi his partner was constantly criticized. Stralman at $4,5 mill was the same cost as Boyle who was basically a third pair guy for the genius coach, and in fairness to the coach most nights looked like a third pair guy.. Which was a brilliant move to replace a first pair guy Stralman with a third pair guy Boyle for the same money. Thats not how smart teams get better. They already had Klein who also went to the finals with the Rangers. They should have also kept Stralman, and not been out a nickel more, including Girardi's new contract. The only difference being Stralmans 5 year contract compared to Boyles 2 years. They did go to the conference finals the following year and lost with out Stralman, but they went to the Stanley Cup finals the year before with Stralman. Losing Stralman and replacing him with Boyle was about as stupid as it gets. They have never replaced Stralman. I'm also pretty confident chewys mitts were all over the Boyle over Stralman choice.

My point is about Stralman, I don't dispute some of what you say about Callahan, Miller and Girardi, none of who's loss comes close to the loss of Stralman.


Thanks for the better and accurate Stralman events. I still think they should of signed Stralman.
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Alain Vigneault is taking things one day at a time right now

9:50AM

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-is-taking-things-one...

Adam Rotter; If Vigneault is not the coach of the Rangers next season I could see Todd McLellan or Bill Peters, if they both lose their jobs, being contenders.
Hopefully he is taking packing his sh!t one day at a time....How do you fire McClellan when Chiarelli gave away, Hall, Eberle, Barzal and signed Lucic to that horrendous contract?



Imo the Rangers would be silly to hire McLellan who has one AHL championship to his credit. And a whole lot of early playoff exits. Peters did work with Babcock for three years as a assistant in Detroit but also only has one WHL championship on his resume. Winners begat winning, they have been there. I think it’s also very relevant the winning was recently. It’s no secret the Rangers hadn’t had their **** together til Torts arrived. His impact was immediate, and but for a few more horses that were lacking who knows.
I’d rather see the Rangers take on a proven winner at the AHL, College or Junior hockey level coach, hopefully with some NHL playing experience, on the Junior hockey coaches resume. A college coach and AHL coach would have experience dealing with the older players. But no retreads unless they have won.
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Stralman leaving, Staal Girardi,Richards, Boyle contracts and Callahan, Hagelin, Yandle and maybe Nash all bad moves
No maybe about Nash....
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Mikey Red - 2018-03-12 12:32 PM

Stralman leaving, Staal Girardi,Richards, Boyle contracts and Callahan, Hagelin, Yandle and maybe Nash all bad moves
No maybe about Nash....

Hahaha.... after all said in done we lost that trade too....Hopefully flipping him pans out
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Alain Vigneault is taking things one day at a time right now

9:50AM

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-is-taking-things-one...

Adam Rotter; If Vigneault is not the coach of the Rangers next season I could see Todd McLellan or Bill Peters, if they both lose their jobs, being contenders.
Hopefully he is taking packing his sh!t one day at a time....How do you fire McClellan when Chiarelli gave away, Hall, Eberle, Barzal and signed Lucic to that horrendous contract?



Imo the Rangers would be silly to hire McLellan who has one AHL championship to his credit. And a whole lot of early playoff exits. Peters did work with Babcock for three years as a assistant in Detroit but also only has one WHL championship on his resume. Winners begat winning, they have been there. I think it’s also very relevant the winning was recently. It’s no secret the Rangers hadn’t had their **** together til Torts arrived. His impact was immediate, and but for a few more horses that were lacking who knows.
I’d rather see the Rangers take on a proven winner at the AHL, College or Junior hockey level coach, hopefully with some NHL playing experience, on the Junior hockey coaches resume. A college coach and AHL coach would have experience dealing with the older players. But no retreads unless they have won.

Yep....Maybe Blue can coach?
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I am so afraid that AV is going to get a pass for this season....
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I am so afraid that AV is going to get a pass for this season....
I've had that feeling for a while now.
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It would surprise me.


Would surprise if he were fired, or if he were still here??
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I don't think you make the changes that were made & bring back the same coach staff. It doesn't make sense to me. Still, not 1 player is playing to their potential or over achieving. It is still the goalie against the other team for the most part. It would surprise me if he & the others come back.

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I don't think you make the changes that were made & bring back the same coach staff. It doesn't make sense to me. Still, not 1 player is playing to their potential or over achieving. It is still the goalie against the other team for the most part. It would surprise me if he & the others come back.


As long as Sather is still in the mix, I'm not not taking anything for granted -- I'll believe it when it happens.
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-03-14 4:41 PM

I don't think you make the changes that were made & bring back the same coach staff. It doesn't make sense to me. Still, not 1 player is playing to their potential or over achieving. It is still the goalie against the other team for the most part. It would surprise me if he & the others come back.


It doesn't send a good message to the players returning, that's for sure...

Hey yeah guys, we went into the season landing the biggest free agent in the Summer.... and then we sucked..... it's clearly not the coaches fault, so your job isn't safe.... ever..... and we traded Nash, your captain, and leading goal scorer, but don't worry we have rookies..... Now play AVs system that hasn't won a Cup better, or else!

As for the rookies.... watch and learn how to get boo'ed at The Garden. I'm sure the guys from Russia will be SO excited to leave the top team in the KHL to come to that kind of rebuild

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The thought of Vigneault back makes me sick. I never wanted him here to begin with, and after watching him rip apart all the team building blocks put into place by Tortorella, and the subsequent transition into the disorganized fundamentally weak pile of crap they always revert to, for extended periods of time no matter how good a winning roll they might have been on, I am reminded why. . They are the definitive classic example of blowing either hot or cold, with no baseline of consistent effort and execution within Chewy's single pathetic system.
To bring Chewy back and expect a new class of Ranger young players to improve and have any consistency under his coaching, after his attempts in Vancouver and New York would leave you wondering what management watches sitting in their booths.
The only success developmentally I see in his handling of young players is their almost uniform inconsistency. I just hope Management is not fooled by any post trade deadline success, and remember instead the waste of draft picks and assets acquiring pieces, more often than not misused and wasted as the team got worse and worse on his watch. Continue the process, bring in someone like Philly, Jersey, have done that make young players better. Coaches that make it work with what they have, without forcing their goalies to stop 45 out of 46 shots nightly.
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Posted 2018-03-28 2:15 PM (#701917 - in reply to #683557)
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Never prepared to start games hence the awful starts;

Awful defense, blatant blown coverages in their own zone, even when they had an all-veteran backline;

No physical presence at all, especially in their own zone;

Allow their goalie to be abused, run into, knocked down;

Blown leads late in games during the playoffs because they play a prevent defense, beginning with the Kings in '14 and continuing all the way to last year vs. Montreal and Ottawa;

There's more than enough evidence to fire this coach. These things are consistently plaguing this team. And yet, I have this sinking feeling that they will keep him for the remaining year on his contract. It makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. Buy stock in bourbon companies if they keep AV for next season, because your ol' pal PV29 is gonna do some HARD drinking during games next season.
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Here Jeff and Glen i'm throwing you under the bus while I try to remain shiny. What a dick. Again its never his fault.


“Everyone in the organization wants to win,” Alain Vigneault, whose job behind the bench is in jeopardy after his first playoff miss since 2007 with the Canucks, said prior to the match. “But a tough decision was made and you have to respect it.
“Even though people said we were in a bubble team going in, I don’t believe that. I believe [if not for the decision to rebuild] we would have made it.”



https://nypost.com/2018/03/29/rangers-confronting-this-grim-reality-...
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Here Jeff and Glen i'm throwing you under the bus while I try to remain shiny. What a dick. Again its never his fault.


“Everyone in the organization wants to win,” Alain Vigneault, whose job behind the bench is in jeopardy after his first playoff miss since 2007 with the Canucks, said prior to the match. “But a tough decision was made and you have to respect it.
“Even though people said we were in a bubble team going in, I don’t believe that. I believe [if not for the decision to rebuild] we would have made it.”



https://nypost.com/2018/03/29/rangers-confronting-this-grim-reality-...


I gotta say, if I'm management this is the last straw. You don't throw your boss under the bus and expect to survive. I'll go so far as to say, optimistically, that the decision's already been made and both sides are just trying to save face at this point and part ways quietly at the end of the season.

I don't think AV says that if he really thought his job was on the line.



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Rranger - 2018-03-29 9:23 AM

Here Jeff and Glen i'm throwing you under the bus while I try to remain shiny. What a dick. Again its never his fault.


“Everyone in the organization wants to win,” Alain Vigneault, whose job behind the bench is in jeopardy after his first playoff miss since 2007 with the Canucks, said prior to the match. “But a tough decision was made and you have to respect it.
“Even though people said we were in a bubble team going in, I don’t believe that. I believe [if not for the decision to rebuild] we would have made it.”



https://nypost.com/2018/03/29/rangers-confronting-this-grim-reality-...


I gotta say, if I'm management this is the last straw. You don't throw your boss under the bus and expect to survive. I'll go so far as to say, optimistically, that the decision's already been made and both sides are just trying to save face at this point and part ways quietly at the end of the season.

I don't think AV says that if he really thought his job was on the line.





The writing may have been on the wall. That comment makes it sound like he was against the Stepan trade.

I remember Jeff being interviewed during preseason, and him saying AV was "driving him nuts." (While watching preseason games and tape evaluating the team). It was kind of funny at the time, but he could've been serious.

The decision to bring in Lindy Ruff could've been a mutual understanding that AV's job is at risk.... Ruff is AV's pick to succeed him.

Jeff said ok we'll take a look. He's your guy, this is your chance..... and then AV blew it out of the gate..... almost recovered, but Jeff is the man, and doing the right thing. And I think he'll continue to do the right things when the season is up, and through the offseason.

AV is a goner
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Here Jeff and Glen i'm throwing you under the bus while I try to remain shiny. What a dick. Again its never his fault.


“Everyone in the organization wants to win,” Alain Vigneault, whose job behind the bench is in jeopardy after his first playoff miss since 2007 with the Canucks, said prior to the match. “But a tough decision was made and you have to respect it.
“Even though people said we were in a bubble team going in, I don’t believe that. I believe [if not for the decision to rebuild] we would have made it.”



https://nypost.com/2018/03/29/rangers-confronting-this-grim-reality-...


I gotta say, if I'm management this is the last straw. You don't throw your boss under the bus and expect to survive. I'll go so far as to say, optimistically, that the decision's already been made and both sides are just trying to save face at this point and part ways quietly at the end of the season.

I don't think AV says that if he really thought his job was on the line.









Hopefully it is chewy trying to build up his cachet for his future job search that he knows is coming.
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He's right, imo. The NYR management threw the team, the coaches and the fans under the bus. Downright despicable.
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He's right, imo. The NYR management threw the team, the coaches and the fans under the bus. Downright despicable.


The team was going nowhere fast and something had to be done...better now than later.

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He's right, imo. The NYR management threw the team, the coaches and the fans under the bus. Downright despicable.





IMO it was the right time to do what they did. They were going nowhere fast with blunderbuss coaching. They also are almost as good as they were before the trading, and a lot younger with some real prospects picked up and some good futures. It won’t take much to get back to the inconsistent going nowhere team they were before the trades.
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It was either sell, or try to make the playoffs.... which they might've done, but then what? Face Tampa in the 1st round? Boston? The Caps if you're lucky?

Then lose Grabs and Nash for nothing? Nah
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AV IS GONE!!! I have said it for over a month now. It's good they kept him so this thread could keep the board alive, but is he GONE. He made similar comments right after the announcement as well. It looked bad then and looks bad now.

And management absolutely made the right choice selling off. They would have slipped in or just missed (13th pick instead of the 10th pick), but we were going nowhere. We would have been torn up in our own zone just like we were against the Pens two years ago. It was the absolute right call to reboot and add future assets rather than look to just slip in and get rolled in round 1. Truth is the only player I fear they will regret dealing is Miller. Time will tell on that though.

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There are ways to do things and there are ways to DO things. IMO, the way that management broadcast their intentions to the world was atrocious. Typical of this ownership.
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I actually think it was great they did it the way they did. Didn't have to make some announcement, but I am fine they did for the fans as much as the players and coaches.


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They wrote us a letter stating the direction of the team, and thanking us in advance for sticking with it... preparing us to be ready to lose anybody.

We lost Miller.... guy was my favorite Ranger....

But anyone could've been part of that deal.... Zuccarello. We don't know what else was on the table. And quite frankly they're not done yet.

I guess they could've just made these trades, but they made it clear they are comitted to an honest rebuild. Don't really understand why that's so atrocious
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Someone stated that the team management " wrote us a letter ". That's nice. Shamefully, they didn't hand deliver it to the fans but instead, announced it to the world out of the blue via the media. Yes, it was an atrocious way to handle it, imo.
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Everyone and anyone could see it, but they were talking to the fans

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I am with you here rob. I guess I am missing why that was a bad thing or a bad way to handle it. Like I mentioned, I don't think they had to do it, but the fact they did is really no big deal either way. Certainly not something I would be bothered by.




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That letter also should of said the rest of the seasons home games are now half price and dont even dare raise prices next season
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Pretty poor public relations I'd say. Telling the fans, particularly the paying customer, and the team that we are giving up on the season while still in contention for a play-off spot. Aside from a permanent reduction in ticket prices, how about free food and drinks at the concession stands.

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NYR # 1 - 2018-04-02 6:43 PM

I am with you here rob. I guess I am missing why that was a bad thing or a bad way to handle it. Like I mentioned, I don't think they had to do it, but the fact they did is really no big deal either way. Certainly not something I would be bothered by.




So, you're AOK with management telling the world that they have given up on the season?
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NYR # 1 - 2018-04-02 6:43 PM

I am with you here rob. I guess I am missing why that was a bad thing or a bad way to handle it. Like I mentioned, I don't think they had to do it, but the fact they did is really no big deal either way. Certainly not something I would be bothered by.




So, you're AOK with management telling the world that they have given up on the season?


As opposed to teams trading a bunch of guys at the deadline and then handing you a line that they are still trying to compete. Yes.

As soon as they started trading people we would have known they we're giving up. At least they didn't treat us like morons.

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naf regnar - 2018-04-03 9:47 AM

NYR # 1 - 2018-04-02 6:43 PM

I am with you here rob. I guess I am missing why that was a bad thing or a bad way to handle it. Like I mentioned, I don't think they had to do it, but the fact they did is really no big deal either way. Certainly not something I would be bothered by.




So, you're AOK with management telling the world that they have given up on the season?


Where in the letter did it say they were giving up? They said that there may be some players moved that we've grown attached to, amd that they are focused on building a Cup contender.

Sather even said in an interview that there was still a chance for them to make the playoffs at the time. But they were going to do what was best foe the team, and they did.
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I found this.....

Chris Kreider - Mika Zibanjead - Vladislav Namestnikov
Kevin Hayes - Lias Andersson - Pavel Buchnevich
Jimmy Vesey - Filip Chytil - Ryan Spooner
Cody McLeod - Peter Holland - Paul Carey

Marc Staal - Neal Pionk
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Posted 2018-04-03 2:25 PM (#702455 - in reply to #683557)
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Yep! I want Buchnevich with Chytil, but this should do. Roll 3 lines, and give these kids a nice chance.
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Posted 2018-04-03 2:31 PM (#702457 - in reply to #683557)
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Yep hopefully the 4th line doesnt play at all...We are gonna win tonight! huge game...
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Posted 2018-04-03 6:44 PM (#702528 - in reply to #683557)
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I am 100% fine with how it played out. Why half ass it and go down the middle. We were not good enough to make any really run this season, so let's be real and honest about it and try and reboot and become a team that can make a long run again. And if Sather/Gorton want to tell the fans they have a plan and ask for patience I am good with that for sure.





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Posted 2018-04-04 2:01 PM (#702597 - in reply to #702450)
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naf regnar - 2018-04-03 8:47 AM

NYR # 1 - 2018-04-02 6:43 PM

I am with you here rob. I guess I am missing why that was a bad thing or a bad way to handle it. Like I mentioned, I don't think they had to do it, but the fact they did is really no big deal either way. Certainly not something I would be bothered by.




So, you're AOK with management telling the world that they have given up on the season?


Yes absolutely. They weren't really in contention for a playoff spot, that's the illusion of the loser point and NHL parity making it appear so.

Prior to The Letter the Rangers were 6-12-2 in their past 20. Since then they're 9-13-4, and still well out of a playoff spot. You're saying that if they hadn't waved the white flag and sold everyone off, that a 6-12-2 team would actually do better than 9-13-4 down the stretch and squeak into the playoffs? They're currently 17 points out of a spot, so that means they would have to have gone... something like 18-5-4 since the Feb 8 letter. I honestly can't believe that anyone (including AV) actually thought they were in playoff contention at any point after November.
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Posted 2018-04-05 11:13 AM (#702638 - in reply to #683557)
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The Rangers handled it the right way. They had no chance with the moron behind the bench, to make the playoffs let alone win a game. Hopefully tonight is the second last time he stands behind the bench. He would be well advised to leave no matter what, there will be more than a couple openings elsewhere and a sucker is born every minute. Hopefully he stays in the east so Future Rangers teams can exploit him coaching the opposition more often, than if he was out west.

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Posted 2018-04-05 1:31 PM (#702639 - in reply to #702528)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-04-03 8:44 PM

I am 100% fine with how it played out. Why half ass it and go down the middle. We were not good enough to make any really run this season, so let's be real and honest about it and try and reboot and become a team that can make a long run again. And if Sather/Gorton want to tell the fans they have a plan and ask for patience I am good with that for sure.



I fully agree. And I applaud management for looking at this team for what it was and making the decision they did., In the past, they would have attempted the "go for it" mode and started trading youngsters/picks for that "special" player who they felt would put them over the top -- most times having the decision (and the teams) crash and burn after one or two rounds.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-05 4:57 PM (#702640 - in reply to #683557)
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Look at the boys hangin out in the pizza joint....Nice spot on Marc Staal....Go Isles
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Posted 2018-04-05 5:05 PM (#702642 - in reply to #683557)
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What a horrible building for hockey....shoot...our good goalie is in there tonight
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Posted 2018-04-07 6:30 PM (#702885 - in reply to #683557)
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This is part of chewys self describing eulogy. (hopefully)

That brings me to NY and when we got here, you coach what you have. What we had here was a veteran group, Rick Nash, Brad Richards, Ryan Callahan became Marty St. Louis, Dan Girardi, Marc Staal, we had some good veteran players and we put a system in place and culture that maximized them. To them, through the first and second-year, Ryan McDonagh and Derek Stepan were added, good young players, we had a fair amount of success. We weren't able to get it done but we had a fair amount of success. At the end of the day a coach coaches what is in front of you and that is what we have tried to do and that is what we will continue to try to do."
Asked if he felt he was going to return as head coach, Vigneault said "yes, yes without a doubt" and said that his staff, with their experience, are the right people for the job. (Cyrgalis)




I can’t believe these brain dead reporters don’t challenge him on most of what he said. Girardi and Staal were established before he got here. Chewy didn’t turn nobody into them.
More laughable is through his first and second year McDonagh and Stepan were added but they were also here before his first and second year here. Again not challenged. So here you got a coach blowing his horn and is confused to say the least. . Which begs the question is he just stupid or a liar when he’s trying to pad his resume.
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Posted 2018-04-07 6:37 PM (#702886 - in reply to #702885)
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Rranger - 2018-04-07 8:30 PM

This is part of chewys self describing eulogy. (hopefully)

That brings me to NY and when we got here, you coach what you have. What we had here was a veteran group, Rick Nash, Brad Richards, Ryan Callahan became Marty St. Louis, Dan Girardi, Marc Staal, we had some good veteran players and we put a system in place and culture that maximized them. To them, through the first and second-year, Ryan McDonagh and Derek Stepan were added, good young players, we had a fair amount of success. We weren't able to get it done but we had a fair amount of success. At the end of the day a coach coaches what is in front of you and that is what we have tried to do and that is what we will continue to try to do."
Asked if he felt he was going to return as head coach, Vigneault said "yes, yes without a doubt" and said that his staff, with their experience, are the right people for the job. (Cyrgalis)




I can’t believe these brain dead reporters don’t challenge him on most of what he said. Girardi and Staal were established before he got here. Chewy didn’t turn nobody into them.
More laughable is through his first and second year McDonagh and Stepan were added but they were also here before his first and second year here. Again not challenged. So here you got a coach blowing his horn and is confused to say the least. . Which begs the question is he just stupid or a liar when he’s trying to pad his resume.

So according to AV....Its the GM fault for giving him the players to coach
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Posted 2018-04-07 9:27 PM (#702893 - in reply to #683557)
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https://elitesportsny.com/2018/04/07/new-york-rangers-news-fire-head...

He's gone! Smell ya later!!!
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Posted 2018-04-07 9:30 PM (#702894 - in reply to #683557)
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Well he is fired. Congrats to all who wish for it! Now who will be next person to blame????

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Posted 2018-04-07 9:33 PM (#702895 - in reply to #702894)
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Posted 2018-04-07 9:34 PM (#702897 - in reply to #702886)
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Mikey Red - 2018-04-07 8:37 PM

Rranger - 2018-04-07 8:30 PM

This is part of chewys self describing eulogy. (hopefully)

That brings me to NY and when we got here, you coach what you have. What we had here was a veteran group, Rick Nash, Brad Richards, Ryan Callahan became Marty St. Louis, Dan Girardi, Marc Staal, we had some good veteran players and we put a system in place and culture that maximized them. To them, through the first and second-year, Ryan McDonagh and Derek Stepan were added, good young players, we had a fair amount of success. We weren't able to get it done but we had a fair amount of success. At the end of the day a coach coaches what is in front of you and that is what we have tried to do and that is what we will continue to try to do."
Asked if he felt he was going to return as head coach, Vigneault said "yes, yes without a doubt" and said that his staff, with their experience, are the right people for the job. (Cyrgalis)




I can’t believe these brain dead reporters don’t challenge him on most of what he said. Girardi and Staal were established before he got here. Chewy didn’t turn nobody into them.
More laughable is through his first and second year McDonagh and Stepan were added but they were also here before his first and second year here. Again not challenged. So here you got a coach blowing his horn and is confused to say the least. . Which begs the question is he just stupid or a liar when he’s trying to pad his resume.

So according to AV....Its the GM fault for giving him the players to coach


Torts said the same thing!

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Posted 2018-04-07 9:46 PM (#702900 - in reply to #702897)
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Andy Bathgate - 2018-04-07 8:34 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-04-07 8:37 PM

Rranger - 2018-04-07 8:30 PM

This is part of chewys self describing eulogy. (hopefully)

That brings me to NY and when we got here, you coach what you have. What we had here was a veteran group, Rick Nash, Brad Richards, Ryan Callahan became Marty St. Louis, Dan Girardi, Marc Staal, we had some good veteran players and we put a system in place and culture that maximized them. To them, through the first and second-year, Ryan McDonagh and Derek Stepan were added, good young players, we had a fair amount of success. We weren't able to get it done but we had a fair amount of success. At the end of the day a coach coaches what is in front of you and that is what we have tried to do and that is what we will continue to try to do."
Asked if he felt he was going to return as head coach, Vigneault said "yes, yes without a doubt" and said that his staff, with their experience, are the right people for the job. (Cyrgalis)




I can’t believe these brain dead reporters don’t challenge him on most of what he said. Girardi and Staal were established before he got here. Chewy didn’t turn nobody into them.
More laughable is through his first and second year McDonagh and Stepan were added but they were also here before his first and second year here. Again not challenged. So here you got a coach blowing his horn and is confused to say the least. . Which begs the question is he just stupid or a liar when he’s trying to pad his resume.

So according to AV....Its the GM fault for giving him the players to coach


Torts said the same thing!






My point was that he lied about bringing in Staal, Girardi, McDonagh and Stepan, the guys a fukin loon. Moot point now. Will see who now, I just hope it’s not a never won retread.
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Posted 2018-04-07 9:54 PM (#702902 - in reply to #683557)
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Sheldon Keefe new coach with former teammate Marty St. Louis as his assistant
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Posted 2018-04-07 9:55 PM (#702903 - in reply to #683557)
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More of his delusional BS.


“””
I've gone through every facet, whether it be a young team, an old team, once we know the team, every year is the same thing," Vigneault said. "Once we know the team we try and put in a system, it maximizes their talent and their potential and try and mask and work on the areas that we need improvement."””””



Would like to hear what he changed since he got here. Teams doing the same crap that didn’t work when he put in his system..



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