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NTHockey
Posted 2018-04-07 6:47 PM (#702887)
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What's your guess about the Rangers chances in the lottery
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Posted 2018-04-07 8:35 PM (#702890 - in reply to #702887)
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We will do good...trade and or top 3
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Posted 2018-04-07 9:25 PM (#702892 - in reply to #702887)
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They can't pick higher than 11th if they finish 8th. And the only way they pick lower, is if they win a lotto spot of 1st 2nd or 3rd overall.... there is no moving up to 6th via lottery. It doesn't work that way
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Posted 2018-04-07 9:41 PM (#702899 - in reply to #702887)
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Yep...Its lotto lucky top 3 or bust
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Posted 2018-04-19 4:22 PM (#703337 - in reply to #702887)
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Odds are that they won't move, so I'll go with that
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Posted 2018-04-19 5:24 PM (#703338 - in reply to #702887)
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What matters is who they draft, you need some exceptional top end talent to win a cup. Right now the Rangers have nobody you could say is even above average. That includes Lundqvist who’s days of 70 games a year are done. A lot is riding on Lindgren, Hajek, Howden and this years draft. They need some luck for sure in the lottery.
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Posted 2018-04-19 7:19 PM (#703341 - in reply to #702887)
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Most players projected to go in the top 10 seem to be legit. If we get Wahlstrom at 8.... Some say Boqvist could fall there.... Farabee is good. I'd really like to be able to draft Zadina and Martin Kaut for Chytil to have czechmates.... then maybe Datel will post more often
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Posted 2018-04-20 8:40 AM (#703346 - in reply to #702887)
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for once luck will shine on the NYRs .... Dahlin start packing a bag.....
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Posted 2018-04-20 9:32 AM (#703347 - in reply to #703346)
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Wahlstrom and Jack Hughes were all over the ice Yesterday
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Posted 2018-04-28 5:46 PM (#703514 - in reply to #702887)
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Rangers move down, will pick #9.
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Posted 2018-04-28 6:08 PM (#703516 - in reply to #702887)
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No real change for us. By far the "best odds" were we'd stay the same at 8/9, and we got 9. Now we'll see if we look to deal a couple of picks/RFA's to move into the top 5.

Only team that really jumped right now is Carolina. They went from 11 to top 3. Montreal was 4. Buffalo was # 1 going in. I really hope Buffalo wins it. Carolina only jumps to 3. Montreal gets 2. That's what I hope for. I rather not have Carolina get Dahlen.


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Posted 2018-04-28 6:21 PM (#703518 - in reply to #702887)
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Trade it....Winnipeg doesnt have a 1st....Trouba please
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Posted 2018-04-28 6:41 PM (#703520 - in reply to #702887)
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But, but.....people were rooting hard for them to lose...tanking gets a better draft pick.

Every time we scored, some got pissed off badly...and some were really happy when we got scored on. I mean, people who consider themselves diehard fans were so happy when we lost...so happy when we gave up goals. Cause draft picks....moar and moar draft picks....all the draft picks.

Wait...now that we don't have a better draft position, we should trade the draft pick...trade draft picks? Seems to be expert analysis any way the wind blows.
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Posted 2018-04-28 6:49 PM (#703525 - in reply to #703520)
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Mandar - 2018-04-28 8:41 PM

But, but.....people were rooting hard for them to lose...tanking gets a better draft pick.

Every time we scored, some got pissed off badly...and some were really happy when we got scored on. I mean, people who consider themselves diehard fans were so happy when we lost...so happy when we gave up goals. Cause draft picks....moar and moar draft picks....all the draft picks.

Wait...now that we don't have a better draft position, we should trade the draft pick...trade draft picks? Seems to be expert analysis any way the wind blows.

But we will be 8th in Rds 2-7
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-28 6:56 PM (#703526 - in reply to #702887)
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Some boards have Brady Tkachuk still there at 9....I would love that
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Posted 2018-04-28 7:49 PM (#703527 - in reply to #703526)
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And why isn't the Lotto drawing live?
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Posted 2018-04-28 8:29 PM (#703529 - in reply to #702887)
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habs get le hose....

The last time the Rangers got the 1st over all pick was>?????


1965

And they picked

André Veilleux He never played a single minute in the NHL

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-29 8:43 AM (#703531 - in reply to #702887)
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Its going to be a wild lead up to the draft....No way in Hell Gorton is standing pat with the 3 #1's ....the 1's...Zuc, Kreider , Maybe Names...Vesey all in play
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Posted 2018-04-29 10:04 AM (#703532 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-04-29 3:49 PM (#703536 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-04-29 6:49 PM (#703538 - in reply to #702887)
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Trading up to #2 with Carolina or to #5 with Arizona seems feasable

Otherwise just taking what we have is fine. By all accounts, Noah Dobson is going to be a solid top pair guy one day. RHD are hard to come by. Whalstrom may be available (doubt it), or someone else falls. All it takes is a team drafting for position need rather than best available.... covet a center like Barrett Hayton over a defenseman.... all the sudden Rangers are drafting Boqvist at #9.... or whatever.

Either way Gorton seem keen on moving up. 2 top 10 picks would be my goal, but they'd probably have to include their #9 in the package for a top 5
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Posted 2018-04-30 7:20 AM (#703540 - in reply to #703520)
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But, but.....people were rooting hard for them to lose...tanking gets a better draft pick.

Every time we scored, some got pissed off badly...and some were really happy when we got scored on. I mean, people who consider themselves diehard fans were so happy when we lost...so happy when we gave up goals. Cause draft picks....moar and moar draft picks....all the draft picks.

Wait...now that we don't have a better draft position, we should trade the draft pick...trade draft picks? Seems to be expert analysis any way the wind blows.


Losing also helped us getting rid of AV...

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Posted 2018-04-30 7:53 AM (#703541 - in reply to #703538)
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robstones - 2018-04-29 7:49 PM

Trading up to #2 with Carolina or to #5 with Arizona seems feasable



Ummm how? I'd say the top 4 picks are borderline untouchable. 5-6 might be a reach but we'd have to give up a lot. Remember teams that are rebuilding want the same things that the Rangers want, so it's not a good trade for them if it's a good trade for us.

At #9 I'd consider moving down a couple of spots depending on the return. The difference between 8-13/14 is not that great, so if it can net us another useful asset then I'd consider it. Regardless it's a top 10 pick so it'll be a good one either way. More likely than not a very good player will fall to 9, but it's unlikely that one of the top guys will fall that far.

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Posted 2018-04-30 8:00 AM (#703542 - in reply to #702887)
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I don't like guessing on picks because so much can change ahead of the draft, and at this position there is a fair amount of parity, but based on position and likely draft position, the player I like the best at #9 is Wahlstrom.
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Posted 2018-04-30 8:22 AM (#703544 - in reply to #703542)
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I don't like guessing on picks because so much can change ahead of the draft, and at this position there is a fair amount of parity, but based on position and likely draft position, the player I like the best at #9 is Wahlstrom.


Wahlstrom seems to be a consensus pick, as his name keeps coming up. I think we have a greater need for a center than a RW. There's a player that has Chicago taking Jesperi Kotkaniemi who is said to play like Kopitar and Toews. That's the player I want.
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Posted 2018-04-30 8:50 AM (#703546 - in reply to #702887)
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If we can land Trouba then we might not have to move up....Zuc also should be a goner...but if we cant land Trouba....then Kreider and the #9 should be able to move us up
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Posted 2018-04-30 8:50 AM (#703547 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-04-30 9:16 AM (#703549 - in reply to #703544)
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I don't like guessing on picks because so much can change ahead of the draft, and at this position there is a fair amount of parity, but based on position and likely draft position, the player I like the best at #9 is Wahlstrom.


Wahlstrom seems to be a consensus pick, as his name keeps coming up. I think we have a greater need for a center than a RW. There's a player that has Chicago taking Jesperi Kotkaniemi who is said to play like Kopitar and Toews. That's the player I want.


He's a solid pick with high upside. Great speed, great shot, and also smart. No one's complaining about his size either. He may not have the high end offensive ceiling as some of the top picks in the draft but he's a guaranteed NHL'er.

Another center? We already have two young centers in Andersson and Chytil who are both very close to making the team, if they don't next year. Add to that equation Zbad, Hayes, possibly Spooner as all young centers, I don't think we need more depth there. Of course one of those three could get moved at the draft (I wouldn't at all be surprised)

I'm typically a "best player available" guy but at the same time I think the guys that should be available at 8-14 are all at about the same level, so at that point you look to secondary factors. I'd be happy with either guy, I'd really rather not have another reach pick.

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Posted 2018-04-30 9:16 AM (#703550 - in reply to #703547)
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Mikey Red - 2018-04-30 9:50 AM

And the site is still F'd up


Maybe due to an abundance of posts complaining about the site?

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Posted 2018-04-30 9:36 AM (#703551 - in reply to #703550)
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concust - 2018-04-30 11:16 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-04-30 9:50 AM

And the site is still F'd up


Maybe due to an abundance of posts complaining about the site?


Hahaha maybe....but its VERY frustrating when I have to hit refresh 30 times to go from page to page or to post a comment
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Posted 2018-04-30 9:39 AM (#703552 - in reply to #702887)
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Ill say it now and again at the draft....If Bob Mackenzie comes on tv right before the Rangers pick and says..."look for the Rangers to go outside the box here" God help someone....Take the best kid available at the moment...JG did good with Heatl...He would be right after Dahlin in this draft....Im not sure about Lias yet...He looks like someone that you could of got in the 3rd round
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Posted 2018-04-30 10:05 AM (#703554 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-04-30 1:33 PM (#703555 - in reply to #703551)
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Mikey Red - 2018-04-30 11:36 AM

concust - 2018-04-30 11:16 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-04-30 9:50 AM

And the site is still F'd up


Maybe due to an abundance of posts complaining about the site?


Hahaha maybe....but its VERY frustrating when I have to hit refresh 30 times to go from page to page or to post a comment


You have wayyyyyyyyy too much time on your hands.
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Posted 2018-04-30 1:36 PM (#703556 - in reply to #703549)
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I don't like guessing on picks because so much can change ahead of the draft, and at this position there is a fair amount of parity, but based on position and likely draft position, the player I like the best at #9 is Wahlstrom.


Wahlstrom seems to be a consensus pick, as his name keeps coming up. I think we have a greater need for a center than a RW. There's a player that has Chicago taking Jesperi Kotkaniemi who is said to play like Kopitar and Toews. That's the player I want.


He's a solid pick with high upside. Great speed, great shot, and also smart. No one's complaining about his size either. He may not have the high end offensive ceiling as some of the top picks in the draft but he's a guaranteed NHL'er.

Another center? We already have two young centers in Andersson and Chytil who are both very close to making the team, if they don't next year. Add to that equation Zbad, Hayes, possibly Spooner as all young centers, I don't think we need more depth there. Of course one of those three could get moved at the draft (I wouldn't at all be surprised)

I'm typically a "best player available" guy but at the same time I think the guys that should be available at 8-14 are all at about the same level, so at that point you look to secondary factors. I'd be happy with either guy, I'd really rather not have another reach pick.


I'm not convinced their either Andersson or Chytil will stay at center....Chytil especially.

BPA is definitely the way to go....but many have different opinions as to who the BPA will be.....one thing for sure, they are certainly loading up the prospects.
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Posted 2018-04-30 5:04 PM (#703557 - in reply to #703541)
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robstones - 2018-04-29 7:49 PM

Trading up to #2 with Carolina or to #5 with Arizona seems feasable



Ummm how? I'd say the top 4 picks are borderline untouchable. 5-6 might be a reach but we'd have to give up a lot. Remember teams that are rebuilding want the same things that the Rangers want, so it's not a good trade for them if it's a good trade for us.

At #9 I'd consider moving down a couple of spots depending on the return. The difference between 8-13/14 is not that great, so if it can net us another useful asset then I'd consider it. Regardless it's a top 10 pick so it'll be a good one either way. More likely than not a very good player will fall to 9, but it's unlikely that one of the top guys will fall that far.



Well, we have tradeable assets 3 first rounders, 2 seconds, 2 thirds, and impact roster players.

#9 pick + one of the other 1sts + Namestnikov + Sean Day + another mid round pick could just about do it
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Posted 2018-04-30 5:41 PM (#703564 - in reply to #703337)
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Fish - 2018-04-19 6:22 PM

Odds are that they won't move, so I'll go with that
Nice try,T.
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Posted 2018-04-30 8:15 PM (#703619 - in reply to #702887)
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I don't know the NHL pick chart and how the values work, but I would look to deal the two later 1st round picks and a 2nd OR 3rd to try and get up to 4 or 5 (maybe include an RFA as well). Then we'd have 4 or 5 and 9. That's the play I'd make.

Plus we'd still have picks in the 2nd and 3rd (and multi picks in one of those rounds - depending if we add a 2nd or 3rd with the two later 1st round picks).



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Posted 2018-05-01 8:43 AM (#703627 - in reply to #703557)
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#9 pick + one of the other 1sts + Namestnikov + Sean Day + another mid round pick could just about do it


No way a team is going to trade a young franchise player for that.

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Posted 2018-05-01 8:50 AM (#703628 - in reply to #703619)
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I don't know the NHL pick chart and how the values work, but I would look to deal the two later 1st round picks and a 2nd OR 3rd to try and get up to 4 or 5 (maybe include an RFA as well). Then we'd have 4 or 5 and 9. That's the play I'd make.

Plus we'd still have picks in the 2nd and 3rd (and multi picks in one of those rounds - depending if we add a 2nd or 3rd with the two later 1st round picks).





That's not nearly enough. Packaging the two late firsts (Boston's and TB) together would probably get us to about 20-22. An additional 2nd or 3rd might move you up a spot or two, IF you can find the right trading partner.

If we want to move up to the top 5 you're looking at something like #9, Skjei, and something else.
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Posted 2018-05-01 9:12 AM (#703630 - in reply to #702887)
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There is no way the Rangers can move up without giving up the 9....The 2 late 1's can definitely be used to talk to Winnipeg or Calgary
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Posted 2018-05-01 9:50 AM (#703631 - in reply to #703627)
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robstones - 2018-04-30 6:04 PM


#9 pick + one of the other 1sts + Namestnikov + Sean Day + another mid round pick could just about do it


No way a team is going to trade a young franchise player for that.



To move from 9 to 5? I thought I was giving up too much!
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Posted 2018-05-01 11:14 AM (#703632 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-05-01 11:22 AM (#703633 - in reply to #703632)
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I don't think Wahlstrom will be there at 9...Boqvist just had a concussion so he might slide to 9....I think they should try to move up to get Brady or Wahlstrom
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Posted 2018-05-01 11:36 AM (#703634 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-05-01 11:51 AM (#703635 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-05-01 11:55 AM (#703637 - in reply to #702887)
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I think Ottawa can be dealt with if we took Bobby Ryans contract back...interesting....I think AZ can be dealt with too
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Posted 2018-05-01 12:19 PM (#703638 - in reply to #703633)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-01 1:22 PM

I don't think Wahlstrom will be there at 9...Boqvist just had a concussion so he might slide to 9....I think they should try to move up to get Brady or Wahlstrom

agreed....Wahlstrom is the guy we need, and should target
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Posted 2018-05-01 12:33 PM (#703639 - in reply to #703638)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-01 1:22 PM

I don't think Wahlstrom will be there at 9...Boqvist just had a concussion so he might slide to 9....I think they should try to move up to get Brady or Wahlstrom

agreed....Wahlstrom is the guy we need, and should target

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Posted 2018-05-01 12:42 PM (#703640 - in reply to #702887)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-01 12:55 PM

I think Ottawa can be dealt with if we took Bobby Ryans contract back...interesting....I think AZ can be dealt with too


This is an interesting idea, and Ottawa may actually be stupid enough to do it.

Ottawa is also in a position where they need more young players and draft picks, which is a Rangers strength this year. Leverage that with the ability to eat the Ryan contract, and there may be some value to be had there.

I would think that to get #4 overall would still be incredibly expensive, but what if it's #4 and Bobby Ryan for #9, (late first), Ryan Spooner and next year's first?

Giving them Spooner replaces Ryan's production in a much younger player who will be much cheaper (probably in the neighborhood of $2.5-3m a year). At that point, you're giving up #9, a late 20s pick or worse, since BOS and TB are still in it, and next year's #1, which I'm guessing would be a 10-16 pick or so. (You lottery-protect it of course)

Rangers get to pick #4 this year, Ryan's contract is not a big deal for a rebuilding team, and Dolan has the money. Ryan's contract is bad, sure, and that would matter on a contender but the Rangers are in the unique position of being able to carry some dead weight because expectations will be lower.

It will all just depend on how badly Ottawa wants to get rid of Ryan... they' ve been trying to package Ryan with Karlsson since the deadline, so same basic idea, instead of with #4 pick instead of Karlsson.

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I think Ottawa can be dealt with if we took Bobby Ryans contract back...interesting....I think AZ can be dealt with too


And Carolina were set to pick at #11 so they could be inclined to trade their #2 for #9 and still be better off than they were pre-lotto.... especially with a package of another late 1st rounder, a young top 6 forward in Namestnikov, a high ceiling D prospect in Sean Day, and another 2nd or 3rd rounder.... That seems like a fair trade to me

That said, they drafted Martin Necas.... I could see them drafting Zadina at #2.

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Another team who could trade out is Montreal if they want to draft to need rather than best available. They are widely known to be looking for a center, and at #9 they can have the best center in the draft.

Probably just wishful thinking.

A lot of people having us picking Quinn Hughes at #9
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I think Ottawa can be dealt with if we took Bobby Ryans contract back...interesting....I think AZ can be dealt with too


This is an interesting idea, and Ottawa may actually be stupid enough to do it.

Ottawa is also in a position where they need more young players and draft picks, which is a Rangers strength this year. Leverage that with the ability to eat the Ryan contract, and there may be some value to be had there.

I would think that to get #4 overall would still be incredibly expensive, but what if it's #4 and Bobby Ryan for #9, (late first), Ryan Spooner and next year's first?

Giving them Spooner replaces Ryan's production in a much younger player who will be much cheaper (probably in the neighborhood of $2.5-3m a year). At that point, you're giving up #9, a late 20s pick or worse, since BOS and TB are still in it, and next year's #1, which I'm guessing would be a 10-16 pick or so. (You lottery-protect it of course)

Rangers get to pick #4 this year, Ryan's contract is not a big deal for a rebuilding team, and Dolan has the money. Ryan's contract is bad, sure, and that would matter on a contender but the Rangers are in the unique position of being able to carry some dead weight because expectations will be lower.

It will all just depend on how badly Ottawa wants to get rid of Ryan... they' ve been trying to package Ryan with Karlsson since the deadline, so same basic idea, instead of with #4 pick instead of Karlsson.


Yep...If we took Ryans contract then I think its fair to say hey Ottawa...we just did you s HUGE favor...so maybe the 9 and a low 1 could do it
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No Quinn...too small for a defenseman


Tell that to Ryan Ellis and Torey Krug.... We don't need another LHD though. That's the bigger issue.

We don't need to draft a center, we don't need to draft LHD... really I don't think they need a goalie, either..... top picks should be used on RHD and scoring wingers
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No Quinn...too small for a defenseman


Tell that to Ryan Ellis and Torey Krug.... We don't need another LHD though. That's the bigger issue.

We don't need to draft a center, we don't need to draft LHD... really I don't think they need a goalie, either..... top picks should be used on RHD and scoring wingers

I hear ya...but if we end up with a 5'8" defenseman I will be sad...He aint 5'10" also if you are stacked at a certain position...and the best player available is at that same position...I would still take him....the best players play...the rest you can trade....I think JG is going to take his best shot to move up and I'm 100% in favor of that
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We are most probably going to have Skjei, Shatt, Staal on D...then most probably Pionk, TD....Maybe Brendan Smith...we'll see....That is SO not good enough....I see JG going for a trade for a significant Defenseman
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No Quinn...too small for a defenseman


Tell that to Ryan Ellis and Torey Krug.... We don't need another LHD though. That's the bigger issue.

We don't need to draft a center, we don't need to draft LHD... really I don't think they need a goalie, either..... top picks should be used on RHD and scoring wingers

I hear ya...but if we end up with a 5'8" defenseman I will be sad...He aint 5'10" also if you are stacked at a certain position...and the best player available is at that same position...I would still take him....the best players play...the rest you can trade....I think JG is going to take his best shot to move up and I'm 100% in favor of that


This obsession with size is ridiculous. Would you rather have another Marc Staal? He's plenty big. The difference between 5'10 and 6'2 is literally... 4 inches. That 4 inches might buy you an extra poke check every couple of games. Maybe another 10 lbs makes him marginally stronger at contact. Neither one of these things comes close to replacing talent or a dynamic offensive ability.

If there was another guy with Hughes' offensive ability and he was 6'2 200 - sure, take him instead. But there's not (well there is but he'll be taken first overall)

TBH I'm not sold on Hughes either but it's because I think he lacks the defensive smarts to be able to play at a high level in the NHL. Hughes will get drafted by someone, and they'll have an excellent prospect but he doesn't seem to be a lock as an every-situation guy.

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I think Ottawa can be dealt with if we took Bobby Ryans contract back...interesting....I think AZ can be dealt with too


And Carolina were set to pick at #11 so they could be inclined to trade their #2 for #9 and still be better off than they were pre-lotto.... especially with a package of another late 1st rounder, a young top 6 forward in Namestnikov, a high ceiling D prospect in Sean Day, and another 2nd or 3rd rounder.... That seems like a fair trade to me

That said, they drafted Martin Necas.... I could see them drafting Zadina at #2.



After the year he had, Sean Day has almost no value for other teams in a trade.

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We are most probably going to have Skjei, Shatt, Staal on D...then most probably Pionk, TD....Maybe Brendan Smith...we'll see....That is SO not good enough....I see JG going for a trade for a significant Defenseman


Agree that's not going to be good enough, but on a rebuilding team it might be fine.

I think we have to cut bait on DeAngelo as soon as possible. There's nothing there, and if you want even a mid-round pick out of him then you deal him at the draft. Otherwise stick with him and see where it goes, but if he has another year without doing much, the Rangers probably won't even qualify him.

I don't see a trade for a cornerstone defenseman, if that's what you're implying. I can see a smart free agent signing or a minor trade for a not-flashy veteran who will be here for 2 or 3 years. There's going to be a lot of new young defensemen on the farm next year and some of them will start pushing for spots in 2019-20.
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No Quinn...too small for a defenseman


Tell that to Ryan Ellis and Torey Krug.... We don't need another LHD though. That's the bigger issue.

We don't need to draft a center, we don't need to draft LHD... really I don't think they need a goalie, either..... top picks should be used on RHD and scoring wingers

I hear ya...but if we end up with a 5'8" defenseman I will be sad...He aint 5'10" also if you are stacked at a certain position...and the best player available is at that same position...I would still take him....the best players play...the rest you can trade....I think JG is going to take his best shot to move up and I'm 100% in favor of that


This obsession with size is ridiculous. Would you rather have another Marc Staal? He's plenty big. The difference between 5'10 and 6'2 is literally... 4 inches. That 4 inches might buy you an extra poke check every couple of games. Maybe another 10 lbs makes him marginally stronger at contact. Neither one of these things comes close to replacing talent or a dynamic offensive ability.

If there was another guy with Hughes' offensive ability and he was 6'2 200 - sure, take him instead. But there's not (well there is but he'll be taken first overall)

TBH I'm not sold on Hughes either but it's because I think he lacks the defensive smarts to be able to play at a high level in the NHL. Hughes will get drafted by someone, and they'll have an excellent prospect but he doesn't seem to be a lock as an every-situation guy.


Marc Staal was a good Defenseman before he almost lost an eye.....But Hughes is not 5'10"....I want size and speed...and if you dont like his D game that scares me even more ...If Hughes was 200 lbs then thats different....He is 170 lbs
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We are most probably going to have Skjei, Shatt, Staal on D...then most probably Pionk, TD....Maybe Brendan Smith...we'll see....That is SO not good enough....I see JG going for a trade for a significant Defenseman


Agree that's not going to be good enough, but on a rebuilding team it might be fine.

I think we have to cut bait on DeAngelo as soon as possible. There's nothing there, and if you want even a mid-round pick out of him then you deal him at the draft. Otherwise stick with him and see where it goes, but if he has another year without doing much, the Rangers probably won't even qualify him.

I don't see a trade for a cornerstone defenseman, if that's what you're implying. I can see a smart free agent signing or a minor trade for a not-flashy veteran who will be here for 2 or 3 years. There's going to be a lot of new young defensemen on the farm next year and some of them will start pushing for spots in 2019-20.

Yep I hear ya....but I do think he is going to try for Trouba
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I think Ottawa can be dealt with if we took Bobby Ryans contract back...interesting....I think AZ can be dealt with too


And Carolina were set to pick at #11 so they could be inclined to trade their #2 for #9 and still be better off than they were pre-lotto.... especially with a package of another late 1st rounder, a young top 6 forward in Namestnikov, a high ceiling D prospect in Sean Day, and another 2nd or 3rd rounder.... That seems like a fair trade to me

That said, they drafted Martin Necas.... I could see them drafting Zadina at #2.



After the year he had, Sean Day has almost no value for other teams in a trade.


Sean Day is very close to bust
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No Quinn...too small for a defenseman


Tell that to Ryan Ellis and Torey Krug.... We don't need another LHD though. That's the bigger issue.

We don't need to draft a center, we don't need to draft LHD... really I don't think they need a goalie, either..... top picks should be used on RHD and scoring wingers

I hear ya...but if we end up with a 5'8" defenseman I will be sad...He aint 5'10" also if you are stacked at a certain position...and the best player available is at that same position...I would still take him....the best players play...the rest you can trade....I think JG is going to take his best shot to move up and I'm 100% in favor of that


Hughes is 5'10" 174lbs

There's a lot to like about him. Skating and stick handling are off the charts. He put up more points than Brady Tkachuk last year in the same league, and was a point per game player for the ushl..... and it's not that he's bad at defense.... it's just that he's small.... he's going to get outworked in front, and in the corners..... BUT he'll also win every race for a loose puck.

I'd gladly take this kid..... I just don't know if he's my top choice....

Evan Bouchard doesn't have thse skating or moves, but yeah.... he's bigger and stronger and has a fantastic shot from the point, and is a RHD.... I'd take him over Hughes for this team I think.... though Hughes probably pans out to be a better point producer....
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No Quinn...too small for a defenseman


Tell that to Ryan Ellis and Torey Krug.... We don't need another LHD though. That's the bigger issue.

We don't need to draft a center, we don't need to draft LHD... really I don't think they need a goalie, either..... top picks should be used on RHD and scoring wingers

I hear ya...but if we end up with a 5'8" defenseman I will be sad...He aint 5'10" also if you are stacked at a certain position...and the best player available is at that same position...I would still take him....the best players play...the rest you can trade....I think JG is going to take his best shot to move up and I'm 100% in favor of that


Hughes is 5'10" 174lbs

There's a lot to like about him. Skating and stick handling are off the charts. He put up more points than Brady Tkachuk last year in the same league, and was a point per game player for the ushl..... and it's not that he's bad at defense.... it's just that he's small.... he's going to get outworked in front, and in the corners..... BUT he'll also win every race for a loose puck.

I'd gladly take this kid..... I just don't know if he's my top choice....

Evan Bouchard doesn't have thse skating or moves, but yeah.... he's bigger and stronger and has a fantastic shot from the point, and is a RHD.... I'd take him over Hughes for this team I think.... though Hughes probably pans out to be a better point producer....

From what I read ...Dobson is regarded as the big strong net front prescense defenseman
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Sean Day is very close to bust


Yep... and I'm a huge fan of his.

We'll see what he's got in Hartford. Sometimes these talent-types step up their game when the competition gets more intense, but slack off otherwise. Clean slate IMO, let the kid start fresh. He's got three years under contract to prove it or he'll be selling insurance

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Man , I hope not. When you watch him skate you forget that he is 6'3" and 230.
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Man , I hope not. When you watch him skate you forget that he is 6'3" and 230.


I am 100% pulling for him, but he hasn't shown a lot. Point production has been ok but at this point he's really just performing like a third round pick. Which I guess is fine, but everyone here is rooting for him to just turn it on and dominate because of his talent, and he didn't do that.

He did have his best year in Juniors, 47 points in 50 games which is definitely goodish. But he's also a 6'3" 230# 20 year old playing against mostly, teens. One of those teens, Evan Bouchard who will be a top pick this year, had 87 points on a worse Knights team.

If you look at him as a third round pick and a 20 year old defenseman, he's doing fine and will go to the AHL next year and still has a tremendous ceiling and size. If you look at him as an Exceptional Status player, you'll only be disappointed. He's kind of a victim of his own hype.


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Young scoring forward from the SHL to add to depth. My guess is he won't play in the NHL next season, but he's young and can push for a spot. He was an undrafted UFA, so you get what you pay for and hope for the best.
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Quinn Hughes made Team USA mens world roster. He'll be playing along side the likes of Chris Kreider and Neal Pionk.... the only non-NHLer to make the team

They play Canada today at 10am on NHLnetwork

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Quinn Hughes made Team USA mens world roster. He'll be playing along side the likes of Chris Kreider and Neal Pionk.... the only non-NHLer to make the team

They play Canada today at 10am on NHLnetwork

Thanks dude...I shall check it out....U18 Jack Hughes was all over the ice
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Posted 2018-05-04 2:13 PM (#703781 - in reply to #703777)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-04 11:59 AM

I just got back home...I see 4-3 ...who did what?


Lee, Larkin, Johnny Hockey, Larkin

Then Cam did it in the shootout
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Posted 2018-05-08 6:50 AM (#704003 - in reply to #702887)
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With Boston's loss, their draft position (which was traded to us) is locked at 26. Rangers have #9, #26, and we'll see how far Tampa gets.
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Posted 2018-05-08 7:22 AM (#704004 - in reply to #703780)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-04 2:12 PM

Russia put the wood to France


And Austria, and Belarus

Shestyorkin and Russia have yet to give up a GA
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Posted 2018-05-08 7:36 AM (#704005 - in reply to #704004)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-04 2:12 PM

Russia put the wood to France


And Austria, and Belarus

Shestyorkin and Russia have yet to give up a GA

Woo Red Army Rangers
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Posted 2018-05-08 7:37 AM (#704006 - in reply to #704003)
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Got to root for Tampa. Even though we'd get the 31st pick this year, we'd get their 1 for next year too.
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rjpny75 - 2018-05-08 9:37 AM

Got to root for Tampa. Even though we'd get the 31st pick this year, we'd get their 1 for next year too.


Absolutely
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Posted 2018-05-08 8:18 AM (#704008 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-05-08 9:43 AM (#704009 - in reply to #702887)
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And I still like Callahan, JT Miller, and McDonagh.... I like Danny G a LOT more now that Rangers aren't paying him.... Those guys winning a Cup together would be good to see. Stamkos is a class act....

I'm done watching Vegas win, though. Nashville or The Jets better knock them out next round. Preferably Nashville.... then The Jets would be more interested in trading in to the 1st round in a package for Trouba!
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Posted 2018-05-08 10:17 AM (#704010 - in reply to #704009)
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robstones - 2018-05-08 11:43 AM

And I still like Callahan, JT Miller, and McDonagh.... I like Danny G a LOT more now that Rangers aren't paying him.... Those guys winning a Cup together would be good to see. Stamkos is a class act....

I'm done watching Vegas win, though. Nashville or The Jets better knock them out next round. Preferably Nashville.... then The Jets would be more interested in trading in to the 1st round in a package for Trouba!

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Posted 2018-05-08 10:32 AM (#704011 - in reply to #702887)
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robstones - 2018-05-08 11:43 AM

And I still like Callahan, JT Miller, and McDonagh.... I like Danny G a LOT more now that Rangers aren't paying him.... Those guys winning a Cup together would be good to see. Stamkos is a class act....

I'm done watching Vegas win, though. Nashville or The Jets better knock them out next round. Preferably Nashville.... then The Jets would be more interested in trading in to the 1st round in a package for Trouba!


Ummm....the Rangers are certainly paying "Danny G" now....and will continue to do so for a few more years.


You all are having pipedreams about Trouba.....never happening. We should go after Parayko instead....a much better overall player.
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Posted 2018-05-08 1:34 PM (#704013 - in reply to #704012)
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I believe we can get Trouba....Jets have no 1st round pick and quite a few RFA to sign
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Posted 2018-05-08 3:34 PM (#704014 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-05-08 5:03 PM (#704016 - in reply to #702887)
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Dobson is one of 3 along with Wahlstrom and Tkachuk I hope we get....Dobson is regarded as the big strong defenseman
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Posted 2018-05-08 7:14 PM (#704017 - in reply to #704016)
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I'd empty the pick bank and try and trade up as high as possible and see if I can get 2 in the top 10. BlueshirtBanter (i think) had a phenomenal article on the costs of trading up in the draft. Truth is, its not that expensive. When looking at picks for picks trades you can move up several spots in the draft if you kick in your 2nd rounder. The Rangers can EASILY pair a 1st (BOS #26) AND their 2nd to move into the 15-18 range. They can (if they wanted) pair that 1st rounder with theirs at 9 to move up even more. There have been rumors of Carolina taking offers for their 2nd overall. Would they take the 9th and say 15th from Florida for the 2nd? They could even throw in a 3rd. I am willing to pay the price to move up because of the odds of getting good NHL players in the draft.

The odds of finding a player to make it in the NHL are so crazy after the top 2. The odds swing wildly as you move down the draft. Inside the top 10 (which are still good players) but as you move down the draft to the 20's there is a less than a 30 percent chance of finding a player that will play 200 games.

The odds totally collapse in the second round, where the odds of finding a solid NHL player drop to less than 50 percent. *No player selected in the 28th spot played more games than Shean Donovan. Claude Lemieux is the best player ever taken 26th overall. Not to say there aren't BETTER players taken AFTER those spots but why play with the odds? Why fight history? It's an interesting conversation to have:

Should you always try and trade up knowing finding good NHL players beyond the top 10 is basically a totally roll of the dice?
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Posted 2018-05-08 7:25 PM (#704019 - in reply to #704017)
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Yep true.....the odds of all 3 #1’s making it to the Rangers are not good .....absolutely trade up or use the 2 low 1’s to get an already established young player
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Posted 2018-05-09 7:38 AM (#704028 - in reply to #704017)
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Ranjaz023 - 2018-05-08 8:14 PM

Should you always try and trade up knowing finding good NHL players beyond the top 10 is basically a totally roll of the dice?


No this is actually the downside of looking at draft numbers ordinally, there is a normal human desire to force a level of equivalence between where you pick.

Rather than look at where you pick, you need to look at the draft talent pool, and make your own determinations about where the talent pools are and where you perceive the cutoffs to be.

For example, one year, there may be a consensus top 3, and then a whole bunch of ambiguity and no consensus between 4 and 15. In a draft like that, if you hold 7 and 10, do you trade them both and move up to 5? No, because you'd be picking from the same pool. The smarter play would be to hold the two picks and basically double your chances of getting good players, again because you're still in the same pool. It may even make sense to trade down a couple spots for one of the picks, if 4-15 are all roughly equivalent.

So no, there is nothing magical about "top-10" except it's a nice round number. Some drafts it's probably a top 5, and then a second tier of 5-15, other drafts it might be a top 15 and then a crapshoot. It's dangerous to evaluate from the outside looking in.

This year, in my opinion, there is a clear cut top 3, and then a second tier from 4-8. 9-16 (or thereabouts) is the third tier, and then your late first round picks honestly may as well be high second round picks because there's not too much difference between what you'll get with Tampa's pick, and NYR's natural second round pick (40th overall).

To answer your question, I think if there's a reasonable deal to be had in order to package #9 and something else in order to move up to that second tier, then you do it. On the flip side, with us being at the top of the third tier, I'd also say there's a pretty good chance one of those 4-8 guys will fall. But will it be the guy you want? Who knows (probably not). So trade up if it's important to you. So basically, if you can move up a tier and it's affordable, then do it. If you can't, play more hands (keep your picks) and assume they're not all going to make it.

For the late first round picks that we have, I would not trade them up unless one is used in the aforementioned deal to get higher than 8th overall. The difference between a 26 and a 28 and a 35 and a 40 is negligible and not worth giving up additional assets.
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Posted 2018-05-09 9:28 AM (#704032 - in reply to #702887)
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At the same time though, Rangers took 2 players who were boarderline NHL ready out of the gate last year at #7 and #21..... most people didn't have Chytil in the 1st round.... called him a reach..... So I'm very comfortable with The Rangers scouting staff having 5 of the top 50 picks

At I'd say the odds are pretty good that The Rangers can have a player fall to them.... Evan Bouchard, for example.... It's interesting that not many have a center going in the top 10. It's all defense and wingers. All it would take is a team in the top 8 wanting to draft a center they covet, and The Rangers get a "second tier" guy.

And really The Rangers need a top pair righty D.

Lindgren, Hajek, Skjei, Rykov, Day.... they're all lefty. Because of that I don't think they take a LHD in the 1st round at all ( some mock drafts have us selecting Ty Smith with Noah Dobson on the board). So, there's a good chance in The Rangers filling that need at #9 by drafting the best available player.

Boqvist, Bouchard, or Dobson could fall to us. Quinn Hughes and Whalstrom are the only other players who could potentially fall.

With Hughes playing with NHLers on Team USA, I think his stock is rising....
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Posted 2018-05-09 10:48 AM (#704040 - in reply to #702887)
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There is going to definitely be alot in play between now and the Draft....Kreider, Zuc and the 3 #1's and who knows who else? ....Boqvist is on the small side and just had a concussion...Hell No on him....Dobson Hell Yes.....Quinn will get eaten alive in his own end....Hell No
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Posted 2018-05-09 2:03 PM (#704044 - in reply to #704028)
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Ranjaz023 - 2018-05-08 8:14 PM

Should you always try and trade up knowing finding good NHL players beyond the top 10 is basically a totally roll of the dice?


No this is actually the downside of looking at draft numbers ordinally, there is a normal human desire to force a level of equivalence between where you pick.

Rather than look at where you pick, you need to look at the draft talent pool, and make your own determinations about where the talent pools are and where you perceive the cutoffs to be.

For example, one year, there may be a consensus top 3, and then a whole bunch of ambiguity and no consensus between 4 and 15. In a draft like that, if you hold 7 and 10, do you trade them both and move up to 5? No, because you'd be picking from the same pool. The smarter play would be to hold the two picks and basically double your chances of getting good players, again because you're still in the same pool. It may even make sense to trade down a couple spots for one of the picks, if 4-15 are all roughly equivalent.

So no, there is nothing magical about "top-10" except it's a nice round number. Some drafts it's probably a top 5, and then a second tier of 5-15, other drafts it might be a top 15 and then a crapshoot. It's dangerous to evaluate from the outside looking in.

This year, in my opinion, there is a clear cut top 3, and then a second tier from 4-8. 9-16 (or thereabouts) is the third tier, and then your late first round picks honestly may as well be high second round picks because there's not too much difference between what you'll get with Tampa's pick, and NYR's natural second round pick (40th overall).

To answer your question, I think if there's a reasonable deal to be had in order to package #9 and something else in order to move up to that second tier, then you do it. On the flip side, with us being at the top of the third tier, I'd also say there's a pretty good chance one of those 4-8 guys will fall. But will it be the guy you want? Who knows (probably not). So trade up if it's important to you. So basically, if you can move up a tier and it's affordable, then do it. If you can't, play more hands (keep your picks) and assume they're not all going to make it.

For the late first round picks that we have, I would not trade them up unless one is used in the aforementioned deal to get higher than 8th overall. The difference between a 26 and a 28 and a 35 and a 40 is negligible and not worth giving up additional assets.


very good analysis
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Posted 2018-05-09 2:07 PM (#704045 - in reply to #704044)
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Thats also why you should trade them to teams that dont have a 1st
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Posted 2018-05-09 3:53 PM (#704047 - in reply to #704028)
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concust - 2018-05-09 7:38 AM

Ranjaz023 - 2018-05-08 8:14 PM

Should you always try and trade up knowing finding good NHL players beyond the top 10 is basically a totally roll of the dice?


No this is actually the downside of looking at draft numbers ordinally, there is a normal human desire to force a level of equivalence between where you pick.

Rather than look at where you pick, you need to look at the draft talent pool, and make your own determinations about where the talent pools are and where you perceive the cutoffs to be.

For example, one year, there may be a consensus top 3, and then a whole bunch of ambiguity and no consensus between 4 and 15. In a draft like that, if you hold 7 and 10, do you trade them both and move up to 5? No, because you'd be picking from the same pool. The smarter play would be to hold the two picks and basically double your chances of getting good players, again because you're still in the same pool. It may even make sense to trade down a couple spots for one of the picks, if 4-15 are all roughly equivalent.

So no, there is nothing magical about "top-10" except it's a nice round number. Some drafts it's probably a top 5, and then a second tier of 5-15, other drafts it might be a top 15 and then a crapshoot. It's dangerous to evaluate from the outside looking in.

This year, in my opinion, there is a clear cut top 3, and then a second tier from 4-8. 9-16 (or thereabouts) is the third tier, and then your late first round picks honestly may as well be high second round picks because there's not too much difference between what you'll get with Tampa's pick, and NYR's natural second round pick (40th overall).

To answer your question, I think if there's a reasonable deal to be had in order to package #9 and something else in order to move up to that second tier, then you do it. On the flip side, with us being at the top of the third tier, I'd also say there's a pretty good chance one of those 4-8 guys will fall. But will it be the guy you want? Who knows (probably not). So trade up if it's important to you. So basically, if you can move up a tier and it's affordable, then do it. If you can't, play more hands (keep your picks) and assume they're not all going to make it.

For the late first round picks that we have, I would not trade them up unless one is used in the aforementioned deal to get higher than 8th overall. The difference between a 26 and a 28 and a 35 and a 40 is negligible and not worth giving up additional assets.



I agree there are different "tiers" of players that central scouting puts out but when you look at the numbers which are extrapolated over 20 years of drafts the numbers don't lie. Outside picks 9-11 the chances of getting a player that percentages say you got something you could work with drop off the cliff. I hope my original comment wasn't taken as "if you are outside the top 10 the players are garbage" because that certainly is not the case but the chances of getting a serviceable player goes down. Thats why I wonder if teams near that top 9-10 cutoff will do what they have to in order to move up.

I always looked at the NHL draft as:
1st overall - should be an All Star and a household name for years to come
2nd - Likely All star
3 - Legit All Star potential
4-6 - 2nd liners, not insane to think they could be all stars in the right situations
7-10 - Solid NHL players. Guys you could consider "core" players. -not insane to think 1 could be an all star
11-20 - 2nd/3rd liners, legit guys. 1 or 2 could be a surprise but don't think you are getting the next Hart trophy winner here unless clearly everyone had it wrong
21-31 - likely NHL guys but 3rd/4th liners or bottom pair D men. Everyone needs em.
2nd round - lotto tickets with the best odds
3rd round on - no difference in the players. If someone comes up and is very good (like Hank) then the teams scouting had it totally wrong.

I'd basically sell the lotto ticket picks and stock up on guys that have the best chance to be NHL players.
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Posted 2018-05-09 3:58 PM (#704048 - in reply to #702887)
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Indeed...and since Gordie took a 3rd Rounder in Lias with the #7 pick....Even more reason to trade the picks for ready made NHL talent.....There is no way on Earth the Rangers are picking 3 top 6 forwards or top 4 D men with their 1st round picks....
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Posted 2018-05-09 4:00 PM (#704049 - in reply to #704032)
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robstones - 2018-05-09 10:28 AM

And really The Rangers need a top pair righty D.

Lindgren, Hajek, Skjei, Rykov, Day.... they're all lefty. Because of that I don't think they take a LHD in the 1st round at all ( some mock drafts have us selecting Ty Smith with Noah Dobson on the board). So, there's a good chance in The Rangers filling that need at #9 by drafting the best available player.

Boqvist, Bouchard, or Dobson could fall to us. Quinn Hughes and Whalstrom are the only other players who could potentially fall.

With Hughes playing with NHLers on Team USA, I think his stock is rising....


Rangers could really use a guy who projects as a top pair, right now we don't have that. Skjei as of now looks like a great second pair guy, not positive he can be a true #1 in the NHL.
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Posted 2018-05-09 4:03 PM (#704050 - in reply to #704049)
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robstones - 2018-05-09 10:28 AM

And really The Rangers need a top pair righty D.

Lindgren, Hajek, Skjei, Rykov, Day.... they're all lefty. Because of that I don't think they take a LHD in the 1st round at all ( some mock drafts have us selecting Ty Smith with Noah Dobson on the board). So, there's a good chance in The Rangers filling that need at #9 by drafting the best available player.

Boqvist, Bouchard, or Dobson could fall to us. Quinn Hughes and Whalstrom are the only other players who could potentially fall.

With Hughes playing with NHLers on Team USA, I think his stock is rising....


Rangers could really use a guy who projects as a top pair, right now we don't have that. Skjei as of now looks like a great second pair guy, not positive he can be a true #1 in the NHL.

Absolutely.....If Wahlstrom is gone but Dobson is available.....and Jacob Trouba
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Posted 2018-05-09 4:08 PM (#704051 - in reply to #704047)
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Ranjaz023 - 2018-05-09 4:53 PM


I agree there are different "tiers" of players that central scouting puts out but when you look at the numbers which are extrapolated over 20 years of drafts the numbers don't lie. Outside picks 9-11 the chances of getting a player that percentages say you got something you could work with drop off the cliff.


That's true, but at that point you're aggregating drafts. Aggregate enough, and all it does is mask what happens at each individual draft. And then all that will end up telling you is, if you draft higher, you get a better player.

I hope my original comment wasn't taken as "if you are outside the top 10 the players are garbage" because that certainly is not the case but the chances of getting a serviceable player goes down. Thats why I wonder if teams near that top 9-10 cutoff will do what they have to in order to move up.

I always looked at the NHL draft as:
1st overall - should be an All Star and a household name for years to come
2nd - Likely All star
3 - Legit All Star potential
4-6 - 2nd liners, not insane to think they could be all stars in the right situations
7-10 - Solid NHL players. Guys you could consider "core" players. -not insane to think 1 could be an all star
11-20 - 2nd/3rd liners, legit guys. 1 or 2 could be a surprise but don't think you are getting the next Hart trophy winner here unless clearly everyone had it wrong
21-31 - likely NHL guys but 3rd/4th liners or bottom pair D men. Everyone needs em.
2nd round - lotto tickets with the best odds
3rd round on - no difference in the players. If someone comes up and is very good (like Hank) then the teams scouting had it totally wrong.

I'd basically sell the lotto ticket picks and stock up on guys that have the best chance to be NHL players.


So would you trade all your picks to get the one single highest pick you can, given the opportunity?

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Posted 2018-05-09 4:19 PM (#704052 - in reply to #704048)
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-09 5:58 PM

Indeed...and since Gordie took a 3rd Rounder in Lias with the #7 pick....Even more reason to trade the picks for ready made NHL talent.....There is no way on Earth the Rangers are picking 3 top 6 forwards or top 4 D men with their 1st round picks....


What? Lias is a really good center! 3rd rounder..... in what world??
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-09 5:58 PM

Indeed...and since Gordie took a 3rd Rounder in Lias with the #7 pick....Even more reason to trade the picks for ready made NHL talent.....There is no way on Earth the Rangers are picking 3 top 6 forwards or top 4 D men with their 1st round picks....


What? Lias is a really good center! 3rd rounder..... in what world??

I must be honest...I am not impressed with him at all. I dont think he can keep up with the speed out there...Middlestadt was there...Why on Earth did Gorton not take him?
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Posted 2018-05-09 4:38 PM (#704057 - in reply to #702887)
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Rangers are the team that other teams hope "mess up" and cause a good player to fall to them....I mean seriously...2010 when they took Mclrath at the #10....Pierre right there on TV said he was a project....What was the scouting dept thinking? Last year...rangers are up...Vilardi and Middlstadt are there and Bob Mackenzie comes on TV and says "look for the Rangers to go outside the box here" and they take Lias....
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There is going to definitely be alot in play between now and the Draft....Kreider, Zuc and the 3 #1's and who knows who else? ....Boqvist is on the small side and just had a concussion...Hell No on him....Dobson Hell Yes.....Quinn will get eaten alive in his own end....Hell No


......."a lot in play between now and the Draft......Kreider"........I stopped reading there..........you really think Kreider is in play?????
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-09 12:48 PM

There is going to definitely be alot in play between now and the Draft....Kreider, Zuc and the 3 #1's and who knows who else? ....Boqvist is on the small side and just had a concussion...Hell No on him....Dobson Hell Yes.....Quinn will get eaten alive in his own end....Hell No


......."a lot in play between now and the Draft......Kreider"........I stopped reading there..........you really think Kreider is in play?????

I would trade him in the right deal in a heartbeat....The guy goes missing 20 games at a time. I guarantee you most Ranger fans feel the same way
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If you look at Five different so called expert draft lists you will see 5 different ones including 5 different tier groups. None are the same and for that reason teams go to great lengths to keep their lists secret. Every year there are surprises. Go back to the 2016 Mathews, Laine, Dubois, Puijujarvi draft, all the talking heads were aghast Columbus took Dubois at three instead of Puijujarvi , Edmonton GM Cherallii was supposedly all smiles about getting Puijujarvi, and now it’s almost another notch in his multiple Edmonton screwup belt. If I had a dollar for every time a team said they didn’t expect to be able to pick the player where they did, I’d be rich.
Personally I didn’t like the Andersson pick last year with Middlestadt still there, warmed up a bit to Andersson after reading the post draft propaganda, but after seeing him have gone back to not liking the pick, but we will see. Middlestadt is going to be a key guy on Buffalos PP as early as next season. Will Andersson ever be?
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If you look at Five different so called expert draft lists you will see 5 different ones including 5 different tier groups. None are the same and for that reason teams go to great lengths to keep their lists secret. Every year there are surprises. Go back to the 2016 Mathews, Laine, Dubois, Puijujarvi draft, all the talking heads were aghast Columbus took Dubois at three instead of Puijujarvi , Edmonton GM Cherallii was supposedly all smiles about getting Puijujarvi, and now it’s almost another notch in his multiple Edmonton screwup belt. If I had a dollar for every time a team said they didn’t expect to be able to pick the player where they did, I’d be rich.
Personally I didn’t like the Andersson pick last year with Middlestadt still there, warmed up a bit to Andersson after reading the post draft propaganda, but after seeing him have gone back to not liking the pick, but we will see. Middlestadt is going to be a key guy on Buffalos PP as early as next season. Will Andersson ever be?

Spot on Man.....Is it Gordie or JG that is screwing things up?
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Will Andersson be on the PP? Not sure. Possible. They drafted the kid playing with men, over the highschooler....
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Will Andersson be on the PP? Not sure. Possible. They drafted the kid playing with men, over the highschooler....

Im escared Rob....I don't think he's all that good....If all he ends being is a bottom 9 forward...then the pick is a failure........Heatl stands out when on the ice...also when Lias threw his silver medal away....Is he a spoiled brat? bad attitude type?
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I like Bode Wilde, too. If they reached and called Bode Wilde at 9, I wouldn't be mad
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Will Andersson be on the PP? Not sure. Possible. They drafted the kid playing with men, over the highschooler....

Im escared Rob....I don't think he's all that good....If all he ends being is a bottom 9 forward...then the pick is a failure........Heatl stands out when on the ice...also when Lias threw his silver medal away....Is he a spoiled brat? bad attitude type?




Middlestadt can play in any league Andersson did.
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And as much as I wanted Stepan and that awful contract gone....and trading a very good goalie in Raanta....can you imagine if all 3 of Lias, Heatl and TD dont pan out?
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I need to know who's calling the draft shots. If Gordie is insisting on these guys....To me this is his last shot to save his job....If He doesnt take the BPA...he should be canned
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I also Hope to the Hockey Gods that JG didnt pick Lias and Heatl because he thought they could step in and fill 2 Center spots last season as 18 yr olds...If he did...He should be fired
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Will Andersson be on the PP? Not sure. Possible. They drafted the kid playing with men, over the highschooler....

Im escared Rob....I don't think he's all that good....If all he ends being is a bottom 9 forward...then the pick is a failure........Heatl stands out when on the ice...also when Lias threw his silver medal away....Is he a spoiled brat? bad attitude type?




Middlestadt can play in any league Andersson did.


Could, but didn't. So, though he has a lot of skill, he was playing against highschoolers. Dominating, highschool hockey. Lias producing as a 17 year old against guys literally twice his age. He was a proven safer pick.

He was projected to go 12th by most, and they took him at 7.

I wanted Necas
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Will Andersson be on the PP? Not sure. Possible. They drafted the kid playing with men, over the highschooler....

Im escared Rob....I don't think he's all that good....If all he ends being is a bottom 9 forward...then the pick is a failure........Heatl stands out when on the ice...also when Lias threw his silver medal away....Is he a spoiled brat? bad attitude type?




Middlestadt can play in any league Andersson did.


Could, but didn't. So, though he has a lot of skill, he was playing against highschoolers. Dominating, highschool hockey. Lias producing as a 17 year old against guys literally twice his age. He was a proven safer pick.

He was projected to go 12th by most, and they took him at 7.

I wanted Necas




With less upside.
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Pavel Brendl had so much upside....
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Maybe you need to watch Middlestadt play like when he outplayed Andersson at the World juniors and outscored Andersson in their limited NHL play this season. Which goes to show you it’s not who your playing against when your drafted, it’s how you play when you get your chance. I’d be more worried about Andersson being Brendl. Just agree to disagree Rob. We can let time show what will be.
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Will Andersson be on the PP? Not sure. Possible. They drafted the kid playing with men, over the highschooler....

Im escared Rob....I don't think he's all that good....If all he ends being is a bottom 9 forward...then the pick is a failure........Heatl stands out when on the ice...also when Lias threw his silver medal away....Is he a spoiled brat? bad attitude type?



"I don't like losing, I think, no one really wants to be second place or have a silver medal in a tournament... you want to win everything."

Who said that? Is he a spoiled brat, bad attitude player?

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Who knows...but his silver medal temper tantrum was not cool
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Who knows...but his silver medal temper tantrum was not cool


Meh it wasn't that big of a deal to me. I'm not sure that silver medal is going to be a major prized piece. He tossed it to Swedish fan.... was emotional about the loss..... can focus on that if you'd like

What about that he wore the C for Sweden..... not Alex Nylander.... not Elias Pettersson..... who Lias scored 6g while Pettersson scored 5..... Middelstadt scored 4g

Elite scorerer in this draft Filip Zadina scored 7g. Not too sure why you'd be concerned he's not that good, or doesn't have offense.

He does, he's just not quite as flashy about it.

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Who knows...but his silver medal temper tantrum was not cool


Meh it wasn't that big of a deal to me. I'm not sure that silver medal is going to be a major prized piece. He tossed it to Swedish fan.... was emotional about the loss..... can focus on that if you'd like

What about that he wore the C for Sweden..... not Alex Nylander.... not Elias Pettersson..... who Lias scored 6g while Pettersson scored 5..... Middelstadt scored 4g

Elite scorerer in this draft Filip Zadina scored 7g. Not too sure why you'd be concerned he's not that good, or doesn't have offense.

He does, he's just not quite as flashy about it.


cause he reads stuff.....
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Who knows...but his silver medal temper tantrum was not cool


Meh it wasn't that big of a deal to me. I'm not sure that silver medal is going to be a major prized piece. He tossed it to Swedish fan.... was emotional about the loss..... can focus on that if you'd like

What about that he wore the C for Sweden..... not Alex Nylander.... not Elias Pettersson..... who Lias scored 6g while Pettersson scored 5..... Middelstadt scored 4g

Elite scorerer in this draft Filip Zadina scored 7g. Not too sure why you'd be concerned he's not that good, or doesn't have offense.

He does, he's just not quite as flashy about it.

I hope so...Im rooting for him....But Im not sure about him at the NHL level
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From what I have been reading....Wahlstrom does not have top speed skating abilities.....Tkachuk is a very good skater but doesnt have Wahlstroms scoring touch. I would still love to have one of those guys
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From what I have been reading....Wahlstrom does not have top speed skating abilities.....Tkachuk is a very good skater but doesnt have Wahlstroms scoring touch. I would still love to have one of those guys


Give me the scorer any day of the week. They don't award wins based on skating, if you can put the puck in the net, how fast or slow you skate is largely irrelevant.

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From what I have been reading....Wahlstrom does not have top speed skating abilities.....Tkachuk is a very good skater but doesnt have Wahlstroms scoring touch. I would still love to have one of those guys


Give me the scorer any day of the week. They don't award wins based on skating, if you can put the puck in the net, how fast or slow you skate is largely irrelevant.



It's not like he's slow.... he just isn't McDavid.

He's probably the best sniper in the draft, though.
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From what I have been reading....Wahlstrom does not have top speed skating abilities.....Tkachuk is a very good skater but doesnt have Wahlstroms scoring touch. I would still love to have one of those guys


Give me the scorer any day of the week. They don't award wins based on skating, if you can put the puck in the net, how fast or slow you skate is largely irrelevant.



It's not like he's slow.... he just isn't McDavid.

He's probably the best sniper in the draft, though.

Yeah I hope we either get him then Dobson then Tkachuk
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Dahlin (that's Ulf's kid, right?), Karlsson says he is better than I was at that age. That's some praise. Hey toothless Sabres another top pick for you. When you gonna improve already...
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With Quinn Hughes playing on Team USA's Bronze medal team, his stock is rising.

I think both Adam Boqvist and Noah Dobson will be available at #9

The combine will change things too I'm sure
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Yep Quinn did look noticeable out there....Lias didnt at all and Heatl eh.....I think I would take Dobson if we dont get a RD elsewhere...I dont want Boqvist because he had a concussion already and is far from all that defensively
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Of the defensemen that are projected to be available, I'd shy away from Boqvist also. I have some reservations about Dobson too because I think his numbers are inflated.

My top defensemen would be Dahlin, Bouchard/Hughes (toss up), Dobson, Boqvist.

There's also a swede that should be available late in the round that we should look at if we keep those later picks, Rasmus Sandin, currently plays for Soo with Tim Gettinger. Good two-way swedish defenseman, smart, good skater but not fast. Put up good but not elite point production in the OHL.

Hoping a trade presents itself for us to move up and take more of an impact player though.

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The more I see of Noah Dobson, the more I like. If we can get him at #9 and trade our other 2 picks to Arizona for Whalstrom or Tkachuk, at #5 that would be fantastic.

I think Ottawa may take their idea of 2nd best defenseman over 3rd best winger at #4



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The more I see of Noah Dobson, the more I like. If we can get him at #9 and trade our other 2 picks to Arizona for Whalstrom or Tkachuk, at #5 that would be fantastic.

I think Ottawa may take their idea of 2nd best defenseman over 3rd best winger at #4


I hope thats the plan ...TB is NYR South and AZ could be NYR West
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The more I see of Noah Dobson, the more I like. If we can get him at #9 and trade our other 2 picks to Arizona for Whalstrom or Tkachuk, at #5 that would be fantastic.

I think Ottawa may take their idea of 2nd best defenseman over 3rd best winger at #4


I hope thats the plan ...TB is NYR South and AZ could be NYR West


I'd throw in the 2nd rounder we got from NJ

That would give Arizona 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds. Seems more than fair.... maybe even overpaying....

But adding Whalstrom/Tkachuk and Dobson to our prospect pool would be well worth it. Two right handed shots who LOVE to shoot!? And filling two needs of a scoring winger and a top pair RHD

With some luck Kaut will be availabe for the 2nd round pick


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Dobson's team defeated Hajeks team on Sunday 8-6

Dobson had 2g and 2a in the game

Hajek had an assist, so he has 2pts in 2gp

Dobson's Titans play again tonight at 10pm on NHLnetwork

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I have now watched 2017-18 Youtube highlights, and listened to "online" analyists for Quinn Hughes, Evan Bouchard and Noah Dobson. To be honest, if the Rangers get any one of those 3, there are doing well. Dobson and Bouchard are almost the same package. Both have size, skating, offensive upsides with heavy, one timer right hand shots. Hughes has the puck glued to his stick at high speed but with less size, shot and left handed. All three will be top 4 NHL defensemen for a long time. I doubt all 3 will be available by number 9, but one might be. I still hope somehow the Rangers land Tkachuk.

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That would give Arizona 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds. Seems more than fair.... maybe even overpaying....



I may be misunderstanding, but there's no way we can trade two late firsts and a second for a top 10 pick.

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I have now watched 2017-18 Youtube highlights, and listened to "online" analyists for Quinn Hughes, Evan Bouchard and Noah Dobson. To be honest, if the Rangers get any one of those 3, there are doing well. Dobson and Bouchard are almost the same package. Both have size, skating, offensive upsides with heavy, one timer right hand shots. Hughes has the puck glued to his stick at high speed but with less size, shot and left handed. All three will be top 4 NHL defensemen for a long time. I doubt all 3 will be available by number 9, but one might be. I still hope somehow the Rangers land Tkachuk.


Dobson is a little bigger and better at actually defending. He is a better skater than Bouchard.

Bouchard has produced more points, and is said to be more NHL ready

Hughes has the highest offensive upside, and may vve the best skater in the draft. But yeah they're all solid
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That would give Arizona 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds. Seems more than fair.... maybe even overpaying....



I may be misunderstanding, but there's no way we can trade two late firsts and a second for a top 10 pick.



Yeah there will likely have to be add ons to either side to make it even, but I see Arizona as the best bet to get what we want at #5
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That would give Arizona 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds. Seems more than fair.... maybe even overpaying....



I may be misunderstanding, but there's no way we can trade two late firsts and a second for a top 10 pick.



Yeah there will likely have to be add ons to either side to make it even, but I see Arizona as the best bet to get what we want at #5


I don't see it rob... it would have to be a centerpiece not just some add ins. I mean the way I see it, would have to be something like Skjei a first and a second for #5 overall. That to me is the minimum.
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I don't know, we traded Stepan (6 + mill NTC contract) and Raanta (one-year left on his deal) for # 7 and DeAngelo last season. Sure 5 is better than 7, but it isn't top 3. I think if we started a package around the two later 1st's and either one of our 2nd's or 3rd's, and then an add on/mid level guy or two, I think we could absolutely get that done.





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Watching Hajek play again tonight I can’t say he’s been a disappointment. He’s a steady reliable guy. I can see him battling for a spot next year. He’s not beating out Skjei, Shattenkirk, Pionk, or Staal, but Gilmour and the others won’t scare him.
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I don't know, we traded Stepan (6 + mill NTC contract) and Raanta (one-year left on his deal) for # 7 and DeAngelo last season. Sure 5 is better than 7, but it isn't top 3. I think if we started a package around the two later 1st's and either one of our 2nd's or 3rd's, and then an add on/mid level guy or two, I think we could absolutely get that done.





If the Rangers had #5 overall and Vancouver (or whoever) offered 26, 28, a second round pick and an add on guy, we'd (rightly) laugh in their faces. There's absolutely no way that deal would get done unless Garth Snow is the GM.
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It also depends...as we have discussed...Teams up near the top like Ottawa that want to unload bad contracts could be part of a deal too....or we add in a player like a Hayes, Kreider or Zuc
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-23 9:26 PM

I don't know, we traded Stepan (6 + mill NTC contract) and Raanta (one-year left on his deal) for # 7 and DeAngelo last season. Sure 5 is better than 7, but it isn't top 3. I think if we started a package around the two later 1st's and either one of our 2nd's or 3rd's, and then an add on/mid level guy or two, I think we could absolutely get that done.





If the Rangers had #5 overall and Vancouver (or whoever) offered 26, 28, a second round pick and an add on guy, we'd (rightly) laugh in their faces. There's absolutely no way that deal would get done unless Garth Snow is the GM.


Even if the add on guy was a Vlad Namestnikov proven roster player? 15-20 goal scorer 20+ assist getter?

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I simply disagree concust. I think you are undervaluing what we'd be giving. Look at the trade for # 7 last year. Did I miss where that was a mega package? 6.5 mill per Stepan and one year of Raanta for # 7 and DeAngelo. 26, 28, a 2nd and one of our RFA's like Name or Spooner I think is a lot for # 5. It is not top 3...# 5 is not a guaranteed stud.

We'll agree to disagree on this one.


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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 6:51 PM

26, 28, a 2nd and one of our RFA's like Name or Spooner I think is a lot for # 5.


Vancouver wouldn't go for that deal even if it was Name AND Spooner. They have to replace two top line wingers because of the Sedin retirements.....I would think they could get one with that #5 pick. They'd have to start with at least Hayes/Kreider caliber player. I suspect the Rangers MIGHT consider Hayes, but I can't think of anyone else on the current forward roster they would part with. And you'd probably have to include the #9 pick instead of one of the others.

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I think you guys are way overvaluing these not top 3 picks. # 5 Arizona or # 7 Vancouver I don't think would cost as much as you think. Why did Zona trade # 7 last year for 6.5 mill Stepan and one year of Raanta? That doesn't seem like some monster haul that you all are talking about.

Now to be clear I am not saying the Rangers will move to 5 or 7, but I don't think it would cost as much as some think. Both Zona and Vancouver might want to keep and make those picks. Odds are no trade happens that high (I do think we could see a top 12-15 or so pick come our way), but I don't think two 1st's, a 2nd, and Name or Spooner is way too little for # 5.


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Posted 2018-05-25 6:54 PM (#705385 - in reply to #702887)
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To prove the point, look at this trade value chart:

Pick # 5 is valued at 741. 26 is valued at 297. 28 is valued at 283. 48 (our worse 2nd rounder from NJ) is valued at 186. Do the math...pick # 5 = 741. The 3 picks we'd trade = 766. AND we'd give up Spooner or Name.

So please don't tell me that is unfair or I am being crazy with that offer. Not saying it happens, but it absolutely would be a very fair trade for Arizona.

http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_N...




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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 8:42 PM

I think you guys are way overvaluing these not top 3 picks. # 5 Arizona or # 7 Vancouver I don't think would cost as much as you think. Why did Zona trade # 7 last year for 6.5 mill Stepan and one year of Raanta? That doesn't seem like some monster haul that you all are talking about.

Now to be clear I am not saying the Rangers will move to 5 or 7, but I don't think it would cost as much as some think. Both Zona and Vancouver might want to keep and make those picks. Odds are no trade happens that high (I do think we could see a top 12-15 or so pick come our way), but I don't think two 1st's, a 2nd, and Name or Spooner is way too little for # 5

Can't look at this in a vacuum...can't equate this years draft to last year....values are certainly not the same.
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 8:54 PM

To prove the point, look at this trade value chart:

Pick # 5 is valued at 741. 26 is valued at 297. 28 is valued at 283. 48 (our worse 2nd rounder from NJ) is valued at 186. Do the math...pick # 5 = 741. The 3 picks we'd trade = 766. AND we'd give up Spooner or Name.

So please don't tell me that is unfair or I am being crazy with that offer. Not saying it happens, but it absolutely would be a very fair trade for Arizona.

http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_N...


Oh come on now...this is what you are using to back up your point? (no, you are using this random number chart to PROVE your point).

Some guy comes up with a random number chart, and you are all of a sudden proven right? Who is Michael Schuckers, and what do these random number values mean? Give us some context here instead of showing off your math skills cause you can add three numbers together.
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 8:42 PM

I think you guys are way overvaluing these not top 3 picks. # 5 Arizona or # 7 Vancouver I don't think would cost as much as you think. Why did Zona trade # 7 last year for 6.5 mill Stepan and one year of Raanta? That doesn't seem like some monster haul that you all are talking about.

Now to be clear I am not saying the Rangers will move to 5 or 7, but I don't think it would cost as much as some think. Both Zona and Vancouver might want to keep and make those picks. Odds are no trade happens that high (I do think we could see a top 12-15 or so pick come our way), but I don't think two 1st's, a 2nd, and Name or Spooner is way too little for # 5.


Arizona hasn't made a sensible trade since they managed to dump Yandle on us. To be honest, I still think the Stepan deal was more of a cap deal for them than for actually roster players.
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 8:54 PM

So please don't tell me that is unfair or I am being crazy with that offer. Not saying it happens, but it absolutely would be a very fair trade for Arizona.

While you might not be crazy, anyone who accepts that deal is certifiable....it's deals like this that made Gainey and Snow unemployed.
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Posted 2018-05-25 9:06 PM (#705392 - in reply to #705388)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 8:54 PM

To prove the point, look at this trade value chart:

Pick # 5 is valued at 741. 26 is valued at 297. 28 is valued at 283. 48 (our worse 2nd rounder from NJ) is valued at 186. Do the math...pick # 5 = 741. The 3 picks we'd trade = 766. AND we'd give up Spooner or Name.

So please don't tell me that is unfair or I am being crazy with that offer. Not saying it happens, but it absolutely would be a very fair trade for Arizona.

http://statsportsconsulting.com/main/wp-content/uploads/Schuckers_N...


Oh come on now...this is what you are using to back up your point? (no, you are using this random number chart to PROVE your point).

Some guy comes up with a random number chart, and you are all of a sudden proven right? Who is Michael Schuckers, and what do these random number values mean? Give us some context here instead of showing off your math skills cause you can add three numbers together.

This is not a right or wrong question. This is a would this be a fair offer or some crazy offer as some suggest. To me this helps show it is a fair offer. That doesn't mean I am right or someone else is wrong. It means anyone who is saying oh that is a crazy deal is over the top. Doesn't mean Zona or Vancouver would make the deal either. Just means overall it would absolutely be a fair deal. A team could say no...a team could say yes. But to say OMG what a crazy unfair deal...that is crazy.

And AGAIN last year for the # 7 pick and DeAngelo Zona got 6.5 mill NMC Stepan and one year of Raanta. Is that package better than two 1st's, a 2nd, and Name or Spooner...no it is not.

So not about right or wrong at all. What it is about is fair offer or not...and I 100% believe it would be a fair offer...and still Zona or Vancouver may pass if it was offered to them.


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Posted 2018-05-25 9:08 PM (#705393 - in reply to #705389)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 8:42 PM

I think you guys are way overvaluing these not top 3 picks. # 5 Arizona or # 7 Vancouver I don't think would cost as much as you think. Why did Zona trade # 7 last year for 6.5 mill Stepan and one year of Raanta? That doesn't seem like some monster haul that you all are talking about.

Now to be clear I am not saying the Rangers will move to 5 or 7, but I don't think it would cost as much as some think. Both Zona and Vancouver might want to keep and make those picks. Odds are no trade happens that high (I do think we could see a top 12-15 or so pick come our way), but I don't think two 1st's, a 2nd, and Name or Spooner is way too little for # 5.


Arizona hasn't made a sensible trade since they managed to dump Yandle on us. To be honest, I still think the Stepan deal was more of a cap deal for them than for actually roster players.

This one doesn't make sense. Arizona hasn't made a sensible deal since Yandle...OKAY let's deal with them again. And Stepan was a cap deal for them? Does that mean they wanted to add a WAY overpaid player with a NMC 6.5 mill per for many years to help their cap...confused. Was it to get to the cap floor...if yes that's the contract they want to take AND give up the # 7 pick...confused.


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What would two 1st round picks + a 2nd + Namestnikov yield if we were trading for a roster player?

Like if we got Trouba with that people would be saying we overpaid, and typical Rangers trading away picks for another Redden or whatever. People would make comparisons to Ozolinch.

But it's not enough for Brady Tkachuk or Oliver Whalstrom?
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Posted 2018-05-25 9:24 PM (#705395 - in reply to #702887)
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You are making too much sense rob. Somehow giving up two 1st's, a decent 2nd AND a solid roster player as well is crazy for the # 5 pick. Not # 1...not top 3...but crazy for # 5. In other news we got # 7 last year for a terrible contract and one year of a career backup goalie. But two 1st's, a 2nd and a solid player is insane for # 5...



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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 11:24 PM

You are making too much sense rob. Somehow giving up two 1st's, a decent 2nd AND a solid roster player as well is crazy for the # 5 pick. Not # 1...not top 3...but crazy for # 5. In other news we got # 7 last year for a terrible contract and one year of a career backup goalie. But two 1st's, a 2nd and a solid player is insane for # 5...



Roster players? You have to do better than the likes of Spooner/Name.
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-25 11:24 PM

You are making too much sense rob. Somehow giving up two 1st's, a decent 2nd AND a solid roster player as well is crazy for the # 5 pick. Not # 1...not top 3...but crazy for # 5. In other news we got # 7 last year for a terrible contract and one year of a career backup goalie. But two 1st's, a 2nd and a solid player is insane for # 5...



Roster players? You have to do better than the likes of Spooner/Name.

We also took that #7 and reached for Lias instead of taking Middlestadtd, Vilardi or Tippet
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Posted 2018-05-26 5:44 AM (#705399 - in reply to #702887)
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That has nothing to do with the current good discussion Red. I am struggling to think the offer rob and I are talking about is "unfair" and not near enough for the # 5 pick. The Stepan trade shows it is not "unfair", but people can have different opinions.

As for Andersson, I am not ready to say he was a reach. If he is a long time 2-way 2nd line C, I would be just fine with that at # 7. Time will tell.


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Posted 2018-05-26 5:57 AM (#705400 - in reply to #702887)
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Spooner had 13 goals and 41 points this past season. Name had 22 goals and 48 points this past season. Pretty sure that makes them solid NHL roster players, but maybe not.


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I get its a hypothetical discussion. No way to prove right or wrong. Personally the trade discussed with Namestnikov is on the weak offer end, and depending on whose involved could get done, in the right draft year. I don't see it this year because of the quality of players in the top 10. If Pavel Brendl and Jamie Lundmark and their many question marks were available and Neil Smith was running the show, teams owning the high picks would be trading down again.
Teams are very cautious trading top ten picks, because of the potential career altering change in employment for G.M.'s. Nobody wants to be the guy who traded a draft pick that flowers like Guy Lafluer for scrubs. Those lessons were learned long ago when Sam Pollock was stealing picks in the early expansion years. In actuality how many times have teams traded out of the top ten for end of the first round picks? Not very often. Rangers are going to have a difficult time moving up period. Maybe a Tampa first round and a second to get to 16 to 24 or so and that would be about it. Reality is its a lot of hype leading up to the draft and The Rangers will pick where they are scheduled to now and after explaining they tried hard to move up but nothing made sense blah, blah, blah.
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Posted 2018-05-26 9:28 AM (#705405 - in reply to #702887)
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I agree, as I said earlier not about right or wrong. I think it would be a fair offer, and frankly it is a better package than it took for us to get up to 7 last year (and we got DeAngelo as well). With that all said I agree that the most likely scenario is we move up into the 12-15 or so range as I said earlier. Then we'd have two top 15 or so picks.

I actually don't agree that the Rangers will have a difficult time moving up though. I think they can move up for sure if they want to (again most likely in that 12-15 or so range). I believe we will make a trade and get into that range. That's my prediction on how it plays out. I just don't see us making all those picks in rounds 1-3.






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This years' draft is a pretty deep one. The guys available in the 2nd and 3rd round have some real high end talent. Two 1sts and a 2nd in this years' draft is nice. I say the offer is too much. When you add in a top 9 young NHLer, I feel it would have to be the #5 + either a lesser prospect, or late round pick or something

Rick Nash brought back one 1st rounder, Lindgren (drafted 49th), and Spooner + Beleskey
Two 1st rounders, a 2nd, and either Spooner or Namestnikov isn't enough for Tkachuk or more likely, Oliver Whalstrom?

I think we have a shot. It's not too far off
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Yep Rob and we have to hope that Gorton takes one of those guys...You have to take the BPA that high up.....Lias was not one of those last year....I am starting to wonder about Gordie....alot of misses with the premium picks....If he botches this year he should be thrown into the street....Rangers should just follow what Bob Mackenzies says
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Posted 2018-05-26 12:09 PM (#705408 - in reply to #702887)
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Totally agree about Andersson. That is a baked cake and we have given him plenty of time to say he won't be a player worthy of being a top 10 pick. I mean if it doesn't happen instantly we should write it off. I completely agree.


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Posted 2018-05-26 3:00 PM (#705410 - in reply to #702887)
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I'm not sure what more Lias has to do compared to anyone taken after him to prove himself.
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He had trouble keeping up with the NHL speed...he needs to improve his skating. I just would like to know why Middlestadt, Vilardi or Tippet were not thought of as a better pick than Lias by NYR
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robstones - 2018-05-26 5:00 PM

I'm not sure what more Lias has to do compared to anyone taken after him to prove himself.

Are you selling Memorial Day weekend steaks like its going out of style?
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robstones - 2018-05-26 5:00 PM

I'm not sure what more Lias has to do compared to anyone taken after him to prove himself.

Are you selling Memorial Day weekend steaks like its going out of style?




To me the issue and I brought it up draft day is Andersson is rated no better than a second line center, more likely a third. Solid two way bla blah. No disrespect to the kid but that type of player is not hard to find.
Middlestadt who I was disappointed the Rangers didn’t draft, has number one center potential, and certainly if he reaches his expectations will quarterback a power play. The guy has go to offensive dynamo written all over him. That being said he like Andersson has to reach his potential, and if they both do who would you rather have?
Other factors are involved in the Rangers decision that we are not privy to, so you wait and see if it was a good or bad choice. If Middlestadt reaches his ceiling the Rangers may have major regrets. Even if both reach their potential the Rangers may still have regrets. It’s almost assumable the Rangers expect Middlestadt to fall short and Andersson to succeed. So it’s wait and see time.
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I'm not sure what more Lias has to do compared to anyone taken after him to prove himself.

Are you selling Memorial Day weekend steaks like its going out of style?




To me the issue and I brought it up draft day is Andersson is rated no better than a second line center, more likely a third. Solid two way bla blah. No disrespect to the kid but that type of player is not hard to find.
Middlestadt who I was disappointed the Rangers didn’t draft, has number one center potential, and certainly if he reaches his expectations will quarterback a power play. The guy has go to offensive dynamo written all over him. That being said he like Andersson has to reach his potential, and if they both do who would you rather have?
Other factors are involved in the Rangers decision that we are not privy to, so you wait and see if it was a good or bad choice. If Middlestadt reaches his ceiling the Rangers may have major regrets. Even if both reach their potential the Rangers may still have regrets. It’s almost assumable the Rangers expect Middlestadt to fall short and Andersson to succeed. So it’s wait and see time.


They took the safer pick. Andersson can absolutely be a top 6 guy.... The offense is there to play in all situations, PP included. His ceiling may not be quite as high, but he was playing highschool hockey, while Lias was playing with men at the pro level. Pavel Bendl had a really high ceiling, too. I'm not suggesting Mittlestadt is a potential bust, but I'm not sold he'll develope into a 1st line center, either....

Ellias Pettersson was ranked lower than Mittlestat, too....Gabriel Vilardi was ranked as high as 3rd by some "experts." Facts are when it comes to last year's draft... after Hischer and Patrick the rest of the 1st round was pretty wide open.

Chytil may be better than all of them.... Eeli Tolvanen may pan out better still....
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Posted 2018-05-27 8:18 AM (#705418 - in reply to #702887)
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I think I like Whalstrom better than Tkachuk
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Yeah I hear ya...I'm not sure...the knock on Wahlstrom is his skating...that scares me
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-27 10:26 AM

Yeah I hear ya...I'm not sure...the knock on Wahlstrom is his skating...that scares me


I've never read or seen that. I'm pretty sure the one article I read comparing the two had Wahlstrom with the faster top speed.

Seems fine to me in video and games I've seen him play in.

Only player I've read with questionable skating is Bouchard
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-27 10:26 AM

Yeah I hear ya...I'm not sure...the knock on Wahlstrom is his skating...that scares me


I've never read or seen that. I'm pretty sure the one article I read comparing the two had Wahlstrom with the faster top speed.

Seems fine to me in video and games I've seen him play in.

Only player I've read with questionable skating is Bouchard

What I read...I think it was on BSB... was that Wahlstrom was a good skater...but does not possess that extra gear.....and Brady is considered a very good skater with that top gear
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Wahlstrom has the better sniper abilities tho...but can he do it at the NHL level?
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Mikey Red - 2018-05-27 11:20 AM

Wahlstrom has the better sniper abilities tho...but can he do it at the NHL level?


I think that's like asking if Zadina can do it in the NHL

What I like most about Wahlstrom is he's younger by almost a full year.

Tkachuk captained team USA in the U18 last year and scored 1g 6a in 7gp
Wahlatrom put up 7g 2a in 7gp this year in his last U18

It'll be interesting to see what that extra year does. That said, Wahlstrom is listed at 6'1" 205lbs where Brady is 6'3, but 10 lbs lighter at 196 lbs

Numbers could be off. We'll see at the combine. Gotta love Tkachuk's size and style, but I think Wahlstrom may be the better pick.... He's that coveted right handed shot, too....

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Posted 2018-05-27 1:23 PM (#705424 - in reply to #705415)
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I'm not sure what more Lias has to do compared to anyone taken after him to prove himself.

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To me the issue and I brought it up draft day is Andersson is rated no better than a second line center, more likely a third. Solid two way bla blah. No disrespect to the kid but that type of player is not hard to find.
Middlestadt who I was disappointed the Rangers didn’t draft, has number one center potential, and certainly if he reaches his expectations will quarterback a power play. The guy has go to offensive dynamo written all over him. That being said he like Andersson has to reach his potential, and if they both do who would you rather have?
Other factors are involved in the Rangers decision that we are not privy to, so you wait and see if it was a good or bad choice. If Middlestadt reaches his ceiling the Rangers may have major regrets. Even if both reach their potential the Rangers may still have regrets. It’s almost assumable the Rangers expect Middlestadt to fall short and Andersson to succeed. So it’s wait and see time.


They took the safer pick. Andersson can absolutely be a top 6 guy.... The offense is there to play in all situations, PP included. His ceiling may not be quite as high, but he was playing highschool hockey, while Lias was playing with men at the pro level. Pavel Bendl had a really high ceiling, too. I'm not suggesting Mittlestadt is a potential bust, but I'm not sold he'll develope into a 1st line center, either....

Ellias Pettersson was ranked lower than Mittlestat, too....Gabriel Vilardi was ranked as high as 3rd by some "experts." Facts are when it comes to last year's draft... after Hischer and Patrick the rest of the 1st round was pretty wide open.

Chytil may be better than all of them.... Eeli Tolvanen may pan out better still....



Safer pick is a dumb comment to start. How so, so he can attain his lower skill level and pre draft projection easier? In that sense brilliant drafting by the Rangers. Draft a guy with a lower potential ceiling, because there is a safer chance he will reach it. You yourself admit it in your post his ceiling may not be as high, and those are your words. Reality and scouts words is Middlestadt has a higher ceiling period. I get the Rangers sense of what they are getting with this kid but they blew a chance at a possible number one scoring power play catalyst center.
And Middlestadt really suffered playing high school hockey instead of in the mens league over in Sweden loaded with scrubs that can't make it over here. All Middlestadt did was outscore Andersson in the World juniors and in his late season NHL callup. So apparently no gain for Andersson playing there.
Assuming andersson makes the NHL this season and he's got that to do, we will see how he stacks up to Middlestadt who will be front and center in Buffalo.
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Posted 2018-05-27 4:05 PM (#705425 - in reply to #702887)
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Time will tell, and this is obviously not an exact science. I don't care who the scout or talent evaluator is, they ALL have misses on their resume. To me if Andersson becomes a good solid 2nd line C in the NHL I will be very happy. Sure we can point to players picked after that will be better in the long haul. There may even be a player ahead of him who is worse in the long haul. Cannot worry too much about it if Andersson becomes a good solid NHL player. Drafting players in every sport is littered with misses in all draft slots. Just the way it is with a very inexact science.




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Posted 2018-05-27 4:25 PM (#705426 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-05-27 4:36 PM (#705427 - in reply to #702887)
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Mittlestadt had more assists than Lias at WJC. Andersson put the puck in the net more often, though

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Posted 2018-05-27 4:47 PM (#705428 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-05-27 6:43 PM (#705429 - in reply to #702887)
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BPA is subjective. That's the point. We can spin it anyway we want, but it is not an exact science. And take any scout or talent evaluator and review their record and you will fine misses. Just a reality of the job.

As for Andersson, I will focus on him. If he pans out to be a good solid 2nd line C I will be happy with that and look forward.


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Posted 2018-05-27 6:47 PM (#705430 - in reply to #705428)
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Rob I hope you didnt have to work this weekend


Of course I do. AND it's my birthday tomorrow!!!

I have off wednesday through next weekend, though.
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Posted 2018-05-27 6:52 PM (#705431 - in reply to #702887)
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Yeah lets hope he is a regular contributor...But Clark picked Del Zotto, Mclrath, Sanguinetti, Miller with his 1's.... too many misses
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Posted 2018-05-27 6:52 PM (#705432 - in reply to #705425)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-27 3:05 PM

Time will tell, and this is obviously not an exact science. I don't care who the scout or talent evaluator is, they ALL have misses on their resume. To me if Andersson becomes a good solid 2nd line C in the NHL I will be very happy. Sure we can point to players picked after that will be better in the long haul. There may even be a player ahead of him who is worse in the long haul. Cannot worry too much about it if Andersson becomes a good solid NHL player. Drafting players in every sport is littered with misses in all draft slots. Just the way it is with a very inexact science.









There are not near as many misses in the first round, your to bad so sad poor inexact pick stuff is not the way teams operate. You think the owner is signing scout and player personnel pay Cheques to hear “get them next year boys”, it’s a inexact science.
Don’t generalize and compare a 7 or 8 overall pick to the picks teams are making in the later rounds of a draft. They spend millions of $$ chasing these players with the majority of the resources geared towards the top end of the draft.
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Posted 2018-05-27 6:55 PM (#705434 - in reply to #705432)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-27 3:05 PM

Time will tell, and this is obviously not an exact science. I don't care who the scout or talent evaluator is, they ALL have misses on their resume. To me if Andersson becomes a good solid 2nd line C in the NHL I will be very happy. Sure we can point to players picked after that will be better in the long haul. There may even be a player ahead of him who is worse in the long haul. Cannot worry too much about it if Andersson becomes a good solid NHL player. Drafting players in every sport is littered with misses in all draft slots. Just the way it is with a very inexact science.










There are not near as many misses in the first round, your to bad so sad poor inexact pick stuff is not the way teams operate. You think the owner is signing scout and player personnel pay Cheques to hear “get them next year boys”, it’s a inexact science.
Don’t generalize and compare a 7 or 8 overall pick to the picks teams are making in the later rounds of a draft. They spend millions of $$ chasing these players with the majority of the resources geared towards the top end of the draft.
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Posted 2018-05-27 6:56 PM (#705435 - in reply to #705430)
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Rob I hope you didnt have to work this weekend


Of course I do. AND it's my birthday tomorrow!!!

I have off wednesday through next weekend, though.

Aw man ...I hate your boss! ...you should take some rib eyes with you....Happy Bday buddy ...get it back next weekend!
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Posted 2018-05-28 5:19 AM (#705439 - in reply to #702887)
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I'm sorry, but we have gone over the top now. First we have no clue yet how Andersson will pan out. Can we give the dude a shot before we start acting as if it is a closed book, or even a slightly closed book. And second, again scouting and talent evaluation is not an exact science. Please show me the scouts/GM's who get every 1st round pick correct. Who get 90% of 1st round picks correct even. Did the Oilers select Yakupov # 1. Should RHN been # 1 in 2011? There were misses in round 1 in 11, 12, 13 and 14. There are misses every year...because it is far from an exact science. Kuch was drafted late in round 2 in 2011.

Now no doubt if a specific GM/scout has miss after miss year after year they absolutely deserve to be fired, that is not my point, but to act like there won't be misses or questionable picks sometimes is faulty...ALL GM's/scouts have some misses...ALL of them. Part of that inexact job.

And I am not even saying Clark specifically has done a good job or a bad job. All I am saying is this is an inexact science, even on round 1 AND can we please let Andersson have some time before we start to write him off as a bad pick or a reach.



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Posted 2018-05-28 9:30 AM (#705444 - in reply to #705439)
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I'm sorry, but we have gone over the top now. First we have no clue yet how Andersson will pan out. Can we give the dude a shot before we start acting as if it is a closed book, or even a slightly closed book. And second, again scouting and talent evaluation is not an exact science. Please show me the scouts/GM's who get every 1st round pick correct. Who get 90% of 1st round picks correct even. Did the Oilers select Yakupov # 1. Should RHN been # 1 in 2011? There were misses in round 1 in 11, 12, 13 and 14. There are misses every year...because it is far from an exact science. Kuch was drafted late in round 2 in 2011.

Now no doubt if a specific GM/scout has miss after miss year after year they absolutely deserve to be fired, that is not my point, but to act like there won't be misses or questionable picks sometimes is faulty...ALL GM's/scouts have some misses...ALL of them. Part of that inexact job.

And I am not even saying Clark specifically has done a good job or a bad job. All I am saying is this is an inexact science, even on round 1 AND can we please let Andersson have some time before we start to write him off as a bad pick or a reach.







Your over the top with your babble. Nobody said Andersson wasn't a good player. That's your hypothesis. Wrap your head around Middlestadt has a chance to be something Andersson won't be. Thats the discussion.
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Posted 2018-05-28 12:14 PM (#705446 - in reply to #705439)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-28 7:19 AM

I'm sorry, but we have gone over the top now. First we have no clue yet how Andersson will pan out. Can we give the dude a shot before we start acting as if it is a closed book, or even a slightly closed book. And second, again scouting and talent evaluation is not an exact science. Please show me the scouts/GM's who get every 1st round pick correct. Who get 90% of 1st round picks correct even. Did the Oilers select Yakupov # 1. Should RHN been # 1 in 2011? There were misses in round 1 in 11, 12, 13 and 14. There are misses every year...because it is far from an exact science. Kuch was drafted late in round 2 in 2011.

Now no doubt if a specific GM/scout has miss after miss year after year they absolutely deserve to be fired, that is not my point, but to act like there won't be misses or questionable picks sometimes is faulty...ALL GM's/scouts have some misses...ALL of them. Part of that inexact job.

And I am not even saying Clark specifically has done a good job or a bad job. All I am saying is this is an inexact science, even on round 1 AND can we please let Andersson have some time before we start to write him off as a bad pick or a reach.


Maybe you can find some sort of numbers chart to back up your thoughts....then add a few numbers together and voila!!!
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NYR # 1 - 2018-05-28 7:19 AM

I'm sorry, but we have gone over the top now. First we have no clue yet how Andersson will pan out. Can we give the dude a shot before we start acting as if it is a closed book, or even a slightly closed book. And second, again scouting and talent evaluation is not an exact science. Please show me the scouts/GM's who get every 1st round pick correct. Who get 90% of 1st round picks correct even. Did the Oilers select Yakupov # 1. Should RHN been # 1 in 2011? There were misses in round 1 in 11, 12, 13 and 14. There are misses every year...because it is far from an exact science. Kuch was drafted late in round 2 in 2011.

Now no doubt if a specific GM/scout has miss after miss year after year they absolutely deserve to be fired, that is not my point, but to act like there won't be misses or questionable picks sometimes is faulty...ALL GM's/scouts have some misses...ALL of them. Part of that inexact job.

And I am not even saying Clark specifically has done a good job or a bad job. All I am saying is this is an inexact science, even on round 1 AND can we please let Andersson have some time before we start to write him off as a bad pick or a reach.


Maybe you can find some sort of numbers chart to back up your thoughts....then add a few numbers together and voila!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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Posted 2018-05-28 1:09 PM (#705448 - in reply to #702887)
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Chance he is and chance he isn't, we'll see. Go look back at all the round 1 picks year after year. You get good and bad. You get players picked later out performing players picked earlier. You hope you get some big hits, some solid hits, and know you will also get some misses. That is the life of a talent evaluator/GM. None are perfect. None are even close to perfect really. Too many misses, especially higher, will find you out of a job. You just hope you get some big hits also and your "misses" are NHL players who can fill out the bottom 6 or 3rd pair. That's reality.


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Posted 2018-05-28 1:16 PM (#705450 - in reply to #705448)
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The best Gordie Clark has to show for his 1st's are Staal. Kreider and Skjei ....He has been calling the shots since 2005 draft....Too many misses
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Posted 2018-05-28 1:31 PM (#705451 - in reply to #702887)
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Mittlestadt and Andersson are going to both be 2nd line centers. Mittlestadt may get more PP time.... Andersson may see more time on the PK....

Both should pan out to be 20+ goal scorers.... Mittlestadt may produce more assists, and points because of his extra PP time, but Andersson will no doubt have his big moments.

He seems like the kind of guy that will bang in the clutch dirty goal in the playoffs. They won't always be as pretty as Mittlestadt, but he's going to get the job done. He's going to block the shot and take the important faceoff, where I'm not sure Mittlestadt will will be out there as an all sitituations guy.

So instead of a 50-70 pt getter, we drafted a 50-60 pt getter. I'm not sure I call that a miss.
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Sounds like a plan...We gotta Hope Heatl pans out too
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Posted 2018-05-28 2:47 PM (#705458 - in reply to #705451)
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Mittlestadt and Andersson are going to both be 2nd line centers. Mittlestadt may get more PP time.... Andersson may see more time on the PK....

Both should pan out to be 20+ goal scorers.... Mittlestadt may produce more assists, and points because of his extra PP time, but Andersson will no doubt have his big moments.

He seems like the kind of guy that will bang in the clutch dirty goal in the playoffs. They won't always be as pretty as Mittlestadt, but he's going to get the job done. He's going to block the shot and take the important faceoff, where I'm not sure Mittlestadt will will be out there as an all sitituations guy.

So instead of a 50-70 pt getter, we drafted a 50-60 pt getter. I'm not sure I call that a miss.






Well said Rob. I think there will be a lot more point separation. And Middlestadt will be the cornerstone of Buffalo’s PP and number 1 center. Time will tell.

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Posted 2018-05-28 3:25 PM (#705459 - in reply to #702887)
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Time will tell. But even if so others passed on Middlestadt as well. That is why to me if Andersson becomes the solid player we all hope he will become, I will be perfectly fine with that pick.

And how many top picks has Clark had? I know the theme is we complain about everything Rangers, but the dude has had later picks. At best mid 1st round picks. And many times no picks. And Miller is a solid player as well. Let's see how last years class and this years class go. That will go a VERY long way to determining how Clark's legacy gets defined here.



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Posted 2018-05-28 3:57 PM (#705460 - in reply to #705459)
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2006 He picked Sanguinetti...Fail...Claude Giroux was the next pick and Nick Foligno went a few picks later....2007 He picked Cherapanov ...could of had Pacioretty or Riley Nash or David Perron....2008 He picked Del Zotto ...could of had John Carlson or Jordan Eberle....2009 Kreider...Success ....2010 Mclrath...could of had Cam Fowler or Tarasenko and a few others...Epic fail...2011 JT Miller...didnt live up to his pick...2012 Brady Skjei...he did great there....2013 no pick Nash trade....2014 No pick Cally trade 2015 No pick...2016 No pick....So he is batting less than .500 with his 1st's not good fire him
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Posted 2018-05-28 4:13 PM (#705461 - in reply to #702887)
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You can pick ANY GM/scout and find players who performed better after their pick. Drafting Cherapanov is not a fail. He could have been a stud and tragically died. Look at all the teams that passed on Carlson and Eberle. Not saying that makes it okay, but again every scout has misses. Sags and McIlrath were the epic fails...no doubt there. Miller is good for where he was picked. Kreider and Skjei as well.

To me his legacy will be written over the next 2 years or so as the 2017 and 2018 draft classes play out. That is what Clark will be judged on. To me no way should he be fired right now. Given where we have picked I think he has done fine. Not amazing, but fine. And again I give him this draft and see what he does. If 17 and 18 do not pan out, he should be gone.


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Posted 2018-05-28 4:22 PM (#705463 - in reply to #702887)
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Yeah lets hope...but you cant say what Cherapanov could have been....Miller is a not a good grade because he never was a true top 6 player and they got rid of him......Rangers seem to miss more than everybody else it seems...even before Gordie
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Posted 2018-05-28 4:32 PM (#705466 - in reply to #702887)
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Never said Cherapanov would be good or bad, who knows, but I cannot call that a fail. And I disagree on Miller. Where he was picked he was a solid pick. And no way do I think the Rangers miss more than everybody else. Dude didn't even have a 1st round pick for 4 or 5 years, so to say that is over the top. You need to take off those negative Ranger glasses you wear. Right now I think Clark deserves the chance for sure. And we'll see how 17 and 18 pan out.



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My Ranger glasses have shown me we have won the SC 1 time since WWII...Miller is a good pick because he made it...but they got rid of him so they could live without him.
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Posted 2018-05-28 5:13 PM (#705469 - in reply to #705459)
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Time will tell. But even if so others passed on Middlestadt as well. That is why to me if Andersson becomes the solid player we all hope he will become, I will be perfectly fine with that pick.

And how many top picks has Clark had? I know the theme is we complain about everything Rangers, but the dude has had later picks. At best mid 1st round picks. And many times no picks. And Miller is a solid player as well. Let's see how last years class and this years class go. That will go a VERY long way to determining how Clark's legacy gets defined here.







And they passed on Andersson to what’s your point.
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Posted 2018-05-28 5:42 PM (#705470 - in reply to #702887)
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Point is many teams may have missed on Middlestadt. Many teams may have missed on Andersson. We'll see how it plays out over the next 2 years or so.

As for the Rangers as a whole, 1 cup since 1940 is awful, cannot argue that point. But we are discussing Clark and I don't see the evidence the guy has done a poor job considering no early picks and 4 or 5 years with no 1st round pick. We'll have at least 4 first round picks in 17 and 18 combined I believe (I can see the pair of later first round picks packaged), including at least two top 10 picks, so that will determine what Clark is all about to me. Again, we'll see.




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Yep and he better do good with them....I dont want to hear Bob Mackenzie say when we we are up "look for the Rangers to go outside the box here" again
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If AV was our coach his pick would be in his nose
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Im scared...Gorton didnt take the BPA last year
Chewing gum is great for stress,Mike.
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-02 6:35 PM

Im scared...Gorton didnt take the BPA last year
Chewing gum is great for stress,Mike.

Hahaha After AV Im scarred for life by gum....We need big boy hockey
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How's that whiskey? do you have all 3 parts going? drink, cigar and gazeebo ?
Hazebo is down but I am using side panels of it -water proof- to attach to the patio umbrella and in a small and medium rain I can still stay outside relatively dry.
No cigar just bourbon in my small yard but I made it really cute here,so says my wife
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How's that whiskey? do you have all 3 parts going? drink, cigar and gazeebo ?
Hazebo is down but I am using side panels of it -water proof- to attach to the patio umbrella and in a small and medium rain I can still stay outside relatively dry.
No cigar just bourbon in my small yard but I made it really cute here,so says my wife

I got a work buddy that has a whole block with his house and property...I forget which part of SI...He is Eye -talian...also a NYR season ticket holder
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As for whiskey-Kentucky one it’s hreat better than regular whiskey by a mile.Has a nice smell though.

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As for whiskey-Kentucky one it’s hreat better than regular whiskey by a mile.Has a nice smell though.

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Hey Apple,what is a hreat?

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This biatch Joy Reid hacked my phone!

Hate that biatch...she's ugly too
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This biatch Joy Reid hacked my phone!

Hate that biatch...she's ugly too
Most likely trainy but very ugly character.
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We picked Euro last year...This year I want North American kids
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A lot of mock drafts have us picking Jesperi Kotkaniemi at #9 with Boqvist still on the board
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https://www.nhl.com/news/dahlin-svechnikov-tkachuk-zadina-lead-nhl-m...

A lot of mock drafts have us picking Jesperi Kotkaniemi at #9 with Boqvist still on the board

If we pick Boqvist my head will explode and I will cease being a Ranger fan....Kid is small...awful at D and concussed already....They should take whoever Bob Mackenzie has as the BPA at the time....no more of this outside the box sh!t
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I want one of Wahlstrom, Tkachuck, Dobson, Bouchard with the 9 or higher....I would also like to see Zuc packaged with the late 1 to move up into the teens....or hit a home run with Kreider and a low 1 to Arizona for the 5 and keep the 9
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I dont want to hear about the Euro pro leagues...are they good? I guess? but if those player were so good they would be here in the NHL


Compared to what? A junior league? If you're succeeding in a pro men's league as a 17 year old, you're doing well for yourself.

The talent level and speed may be similar in the OHL compared to the SHL, but the size and experience level at the SHL makes it a tougher league.
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He has been creeping up in the rankings...Some mocks have him going in the top 10
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Just say no to Boqvist!





Say no to Euro’s.
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Yeah, I've seen Bouchard falling lately, too....

Not long ago, it was him or Boqvist as the top D after Dahlin.... Now it's Dobson, who use to be almost a lock at #9.

I still like Bode Wilde.

This guy has Kotkaniemi at #3 ahead of Zadina....

Whalstrom or Tkachyuk could fall to us if Kotkaniemi and Bouchard are drafted in the top 8.

I'd take Bouchard, though. Lprd could The Rangers use a Dman with his size, and shot from the point!
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Just say no to Boqvist!



Say no to Euro’s.

You wouldn't want Dahlin? Svechnikov?
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Just say no to Boqvist!



Say no to Euro’s.

You wouldn't want Dahlin? Svechnikov?

Svech is not a Euro he he he....I would love both of those guys...I just want NA kids this year...Kids that play over here already...and Hell No to Boqvist
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1 of Tkachuk, Wahlstrom, Dobson or Bouchard is my hope with the #9
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Just say no to Boqvist!



Say no to Euro’s.

You wouldn't want Dahlin? Svechnikov?

Svech is not a Euro he he he....I would love both of those guys...I just want NA kids this year...Kids that play over here already...and Hell No to Boqvist

Shouldn't talent matter over where they are from?
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Just say no to Boqvist!



Say no to Euro’s.

You wouldn't want Dahlin? Svechnikov?

Svech is not a Euro he he he....I would love both of those guys...I just want NA kids this year...Kids that play over here already...and Hell No to Boqvist

Shouldn't talent matter over where they are from?

Yes...But its a different game over there...Ice surface...not nearly the same game over here with the grit
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I'm warming up to the idea of Jesperi Kotkaniemi



I've been pushing for him since the lottery (post 703544, 4/30/2018). According to Craig Button, "He plays the game in a similar fashion to Anze Kopitar and to Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews." Enough said.

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I'm warming up to the idea of Jesperi Kotkaniemi



I've been pushing for him since the lottery (post 703544, 4/30/2018). According to Craig Button, "He plays the game in a similar fashion to Anze Kopitar and to Blackhawks captain Jonathan Toews." Enough said.


He's still just 17!

Zadina... Tkachuk.... their stock went up because of their play in the WJC U20.... Jesperi Kotkaniemi was too young.... and yet as a 17 year old, finished 3rd on his team in scoring for Assat.

He's almost a full year younger than Brady Tkachuk
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Just say no to Boqvist!



Say no to Euro’s.

You wouldn't want Dahlin? Svechnikov?





Maybe if they buy the beer.
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Personally I don't give a rats ass who they draft as long as he's ultimately the best player available at their drafting spot. They have a habit of reaching. They need the bat on the ball with the early picks this year. No sqibbers.
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Personally I don't give a rats ass who they draft as long as he's ultimately the best player available at their drafting spot. They have a habit of reaching. They need the bat on the ball with the early picks this year. No sqibbers.

BPA! Whoever Bob Mackenzie says
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Personally I don't give a rats ass who they draft as long as he's ultimately the best player available at their drafting spot. They have a habit of reaching. They need the bat on the ball with the early picks this year. No sqibbers.

BPA! Whoever Bob Mackenzie says





Fortunately bob's picks are allegedly a composition of a group of G.M.'s picks from around the league so they would have some merit if true. I would have very little regard if bob Mackenzie made the list up on his own.
Even if the Rangers pick as is, they should be able to get a excellent player as long as they stay away from players rated well below where they are picking.

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Personally I don't give a rats ass who they draft as long as he's ultimately the best player available at their drafting spot. They have a habit of reaching. They need the bat on the ball with the early picks this year. No sqibbers.

BPA! Whoever Bob Mackenzie says





Fortunately bob's picks are allegedly a composition of a group of G.M.'s picks from around the league so they would have some merit if true. I would have very little regard if bob Mackenzie made the list up on his own.
Even if the Rangers pick as is, they should be able to get a excellent player as long as they stay away from players rated well below where they are picking.


This.

If a player is consensus ranked lower than where you want to take him, and you really like the player, then trade down. Otherwise you're saying that you're smarter than the consensus opinion, which is an amalgam of literally hundreds of other teams' scouts and GMs over the past few years of a player's career.

Maybe you are smarter, but, probably not.
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Yet at the same time we call it a crap shoot haha.... most of these kids won't show who they really are for another 2 or 3 years....

Everyone down on Boqvist (I'm not saying I favor him) but all the sudden he packs on some man muscle, and he's the next Brian Leetch.

It's hard to say who the best available player is after even Dahlin.... and even then, I haven't been im pressed enough with Dahlin to say he'll definitely be the best player out of this year's draft.... he probably is... but they're just teenagers!

All the sudden a Dobson or Kotkaniemi take their game to the next level.... or some 3rd rounder... Jake Wise.... they take their game to the next level, and when they get to the NHL, they're elite level.

Organizational needs should fit in to the equation as well. They needed to draft centers last year, and did. This year they need scoring wingers and RHD
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Personally I don't give a rats ass who they draft as long as he's ultimately the best player available at their drafting spot. They have a habit of reaching. They need the bat on the ball with the early picks this year. No sqibbers.

BPA! Whoever Bob Mackenzie says





Fortunately bob's picks are allegedly a composition of a group of G.M.'s picks from around the league so they would have some merit if true. I would have very little regard if bob Mackenzie made the list up on his own.
Even if the Rangers pick as is, they should be able to get a excellent player as long as they stay away from players rated well below where they are picking.


This.

If a player is consensus ranked lower than where you want to take him, and you really like the player, then trade down. Otherwise you're saying that you're smarter than the consensus opinion, which is an amalgam of literally hundreds of other teams' scouts and GMs over the past few years of a player's career.

Maybe you are smarter, but, probably not.



This
What do you think I just wrote?? I said don't draft players well above where they are rated by your amalgam of other teams scouts and G.M.'s. Even you should be able to make the leap to trade down if you like a lower rated player.
Maybe you are smart enough to read that and comprehend but obviously not.

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Not a Faulking chance I want Faulk.
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https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/how-do-the-rangers-and-hurricanes-ma...



Not a Faulking chance I want Faulk.


I'd rather just sign JVR as a FA over trading for Skinner
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JVR yes...and if I talk to Carolina...I want Hannafin...Hell no on Faulk


Yeah, Noah would be good if they buyout Staal. Otherwise Hijak has no real shot at cracking the lineup
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Just like that.


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http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft

Tankathon currently has my favorite mock draft results

No one under 6'2"

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Just joked with a Montreal fan who after Smith-Pelly tied it took a shot at his GM saying something to the effect of what else has to happen for a GM change? I replied, "By trading that #3 pick, or using it to draft Boqvist or Veleno

.... then I thought.... that's totally possible..... Montreal is desperate for a center... I've seen a mock draft where Kotkaniemi goes #3 because of their need for a C

There are many who see Veleno as the best center in the draft, though.... then, I saw it...... Joe Veleno was born in Montreal......
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I don't know if Bergevin is under that much pressure, at the draft where he might go and do something crazy.

On the other hand it's Bergevin. If he senses he's got one foot out the door, he might pull something out of left field, because he might enjoy the short term benefit but he'll be fired before he has to deal with the long term loss.

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Yep let's go Jeff...Get to it...Make the Rangers Great Again


Except actually Great, not the abandon free trade, spend and accumulate more debt, demonize immigration, cater to Russia, collusion no collusion but definitely collusion, Trump kind of Great....

Like, real Great! Walt Tkaczuk Great.... GAG line Great! Brian Leetch Great!

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It would be poetic to draft Evan Bouchard #2 at #9, 32 years after drafting THE #2 at #9
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It would be poetic to draft Evan Bouchard #2 at #9, 32 years after drafting THE #2 at #9

It would be even more poetic if he could be as good as #2
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Gonna be a fun time in Rangerland the next month. It’s Gorton’s time to stamp the team. He doesn’t have to bring in chewys figure skaters anymore, and can in fact bring in the opposite temperament of players. I’m looking forward to in your face hockey making a return and the recruitment of some guys that will run over anything in their way to win.

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If there is some way to do it I would like to see Brady Thachuk in a Ranger jersey draft day.
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Yep R ! No more Alberts wearing the A and playing on the top line....Tkachuk is my first choice too





It will take some doing to get him, but hey Washington won the Cup so doesn't that prove anything can happen.
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Yep 1 of the 4 NA Boys....no outside the box bs


Woah woah woah..... what if they're Russian outside the box?
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Posted 2018-06-09 8:02 AM (#706302 - in reply to #706301)
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Yep 1 of the 4 NA Boys....no outside the box bs


Woah woah woah..... what if they're Russian outside the box?

If we stay at #9 thats my hope if we deal and get to the 2 or something....I would like Svech...Then we make the Red Army Rangers great again...I want kids that play on the 200 x 85 over here already and are accustomed to the physical game
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Posted 2018-06-09 8:04 AM (#706303 - in reply to #706300)
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Yep R ! No more Alberts wearing the A and playing on the top line....Tkachuk is my first choice too





It will take some doing to get him, but hey Washington won the Cup so doesn't that prove anything can happen.

Yep... I see in my crystal ball Arizona wanting to talk to us
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Posted 2018-06-09 8:04 AM (#706304 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-09 8:07 AM (#706305 - in reply to #702887)
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Lias was an outside the box pick and as of right now I am thoroughly not excited about him...I hope I am wrong
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 10:04 AM

Rob you better be off today!


No way. Next week is Fathers Day, and we have fillet mignon for $7.99/lb and strip steaks for $5.99/lb starting tomorrow that I have to cut for.

In around noon, done around 9
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 10:04 AM

Rob you better be off today!


No way. Next week is Fathers Day, and we have fillet mignon for $7.99/lb and strip steaks for $5.99/lb starting tomorrow that I have to cut for.

In around noon, done around 9

Dam! I hope you have spirits stashed in the walk in......Wow Bro...You are almost giving the filet mignon away lol....I love rib eyes....where is your shop?
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 10:07 AM

Lias was an outside the box pick and as of right now I am thoroughly not excited about him...I hope I am wrong


Yeah I know, and it's weird.
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Posted 2018-06-09 8:17 AM (#706309 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-09 8:18 AM (#706310 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-09 9:02 AM (#706311 - in reply to #706288)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-08 1:43 PM

Like, real Great! Walt Tkaczuk Great.... GAG line Great! Brian Leetch Great!


Yeah really great. ONE Stanley Cup among the bunch.

Thanks, but I'd rather have the Trump great - lower taxes, more jobs, border secuity, stronger military and so forth.
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 10:04 AM

Rob you better be off today!


No way. Next week is Fathers Day, and we have fillet mignon for $7.99/lb and strip steaks for $5.99/lb starting tomorrow that I have to cut for.

In around noon, done around 9

Dam! I hope you have spirits stashed in the walk in......Wow Bro...You are almost giving the filet mignon away lol....I love rib eyes....where is your shop?


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Posted 2018-06-09 9:12 AM (#706313 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-09 9:34 AM (#706314 - in reply to #706305)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 7:07 AM

Lias was an outside the box pick and as of right now I am thoroughly not excited about him...I hope I am wrong




Jesper Fast x 2
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Posted 2018-06-09 10:49 AM (#706315 - in reply to #706314)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 7:07 AM

Lias was an outside the box pick and as of right now I am thoroughly not excited about him...I hope I am wrong




Jesper Fast x 2

lol Gorton or Gordie should be fired if that happens
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Posted 2018-06-09 2:06 PM (#706316 - in reply to #706313)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 11:12 AM

Ah...not far from me at all


I live just over the border in Vernon, NJ
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Posted 2018-06-09 2:10 PM (#706317 - in reply to #706316)
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Ah...not far from me at all


I live just over the border in Vernon, NJ

I live in North Rockland....I hope you were able to enjoy the Action Park days!
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Posted 2018-06-09 2:14 PM (#706318 - in reply to #706315)
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Rranger - 2018-06-09 11:34 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 7:07 AM

Lias was an outside the box pick and as of right now I am thoroughly not excited about him...I hope I am wrong




Jesper Fast x 2

lol Gorton or Gordie should be fired if that happens


https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/players-that-lias-andersson-has-draw...


Jere Lehtinen
David Krejci
Henrik Zetterberg
Patrice Bergeron
Derek Stepan

Are the names he's being compared to. At worst, they say he ends up a Dom Moore....

They didn't reach THAT far to get him... Kid is good, I'm not sure where the doubts come from
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Posted 2018-06-09 2:17 PM (#706319 - in reply to #706317)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 11:12 AM

Ah...not far from me at all


I live just over the border in Vernon, NJ

I live in North Rockland....I hope you were able to enjoy the Action Park days!


Absolutely. It's still there! It doesn't have the Alpine Slide or cannon ball loop.... but I life guarded there when it was Mountain Creek.... Definitely saved my share of lives, and saw my share of blood haha. It's back to being called Action Park again.
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Posted 2018-06-09 2:27 PM (#706320 - in reply to #706319)
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Ah...not far from me at all


I live just over the border in Vernon, NJ

I live in North Rockland....I hope you were able to enjoy the Action Park days!


Absolutely. It's still there! It doesn't have the Alpine Slide or cannon ball loop.... but I life guarded there when it was Mountain Creek.... Definitely saved my share of lives, and saw my share of blood haha. It's back to being called Action Park again.

Place Ruled! Traction park! I loved it and wouldn't change a thing about the chaos
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Posted 2018-06-09 5:42 PM (#706321 - in reply to #706315)
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Rranger - 2018-06-09 11:34 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-06-09 7:07 AM

Lias was an outside the box pick and as of right now I am thoroughly not excited about him...I hope I am wrong




Jesper Fast x 2

lol Gorton or Gordie should be fired if that happens





And the scouting report is

Andersson is a very good skater with nice acceleration and top speed. He works very hard, forechecks with impressive intensity and also create a lot of offense thanks to his agility and speed. Has decent hockey sense, technical skills and scoring ability, but it perhaps still more likely to develop into a role player. Is not an overly physical player, but likes to play through rough traffic and does it pretty well.

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Posted 2018-06-09 6:46 PM (#706322 - in reply to #706321)
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I saw the scout report in your first sentence with Heatl but not Lias
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Posted 2018-06-09 8:48 PM (#706323 - in reply to #706322)
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I saw the scout report in your first sentence with Heatl but not Lias




That’s a report I copied and pasted.
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I saw the scout report in your first sentence with Heatl but not Lias




That’s a report I copied and pasted.

Yep I hear ya...Im just wondering who the scout was
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Posted 2018-06-10 10:02 AM (#706325 - in reply to #702887)
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Great read....for those of us that had the great fortune of experiencing Action Accident Traction Park.....Maybe Rob saved one of us lol

http://mentalfloss.com/article/536412/action-park-water-park-oral-h...
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Posted 2018-06-10 10:51 AM (#706326 - in reply to #706324)
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The chances are slim to none of trading with Buffalo, but The Rangers have made it clear they are interested in moving up. So figured it would be fun to rank YOUR favorite prospects for this team. Your "board" of BPA, so when The Rangers make their first selection, you can see how far they reached or if they get a bargain... in your own amateur scout opinion....

Here's my list.

Dahlin (honestly just because of the hype... I like Sveschnikov better)
Svechnikov
Zadina
Whalstrom
Dobson
Tkachuk
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi
Boqvist
Hughes
Wilde
Kravtsov
Veleno
Farabee
Noel

Any of those players would be great to have. This seems like a pretty good class to me. Not too much bust potential among them, from what I've seen. At 9, The Rangers are in good shape. I'm really excited for draft day.... now.... off to cut some meats.....

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Posted 2018-06-10 10:57 AM (#706327 - in reply to #702887)
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It is reported that Carolina would take Svech if they had the #1 pick...I think we need one of the 1st 7....We are def moving up...Rob cut some rib eyes for me!
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Posted 2018-06-10 2:55 PM (#706328 - in reply to #702887)
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Anyone think The Rangers trade #26 and #28 overall in a package for Erik Karlsson? Anyone?
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Posted 2018-06-10 2:59 PM (#706329 - in reply to #706328)
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robstones - 2018-06-10 4:55 PM

Anyone think The Rangers trade #26 and #28 overall in a package for Erik Karlsson? Anyone?

Man I hope not...He has alot of miles on him and is very injury riddled...I do think those picks are in play tho.....My hope is to have 2 top 10 picks
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Posted 2018-06-10 3:00 PM (#706330 - in reply to #702887)
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I think Zuc is a goner and maybe Kreider or Hayes too
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Posted 2018-06-10 5:26 PM (#706332 - in reply to #706329)
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robstones - 2018-06-10 4:55 PM

Anyone think The Rangers trade #26 and #28 overall in a package for Erik Karlsson? Anyone?

Man I hope not...He has alot of miles on him and is very injury riddled...I do think those picks are in play tho.....My hope is to have 2 top 10 picks



No. Gorton would be a fool to trade for a guy he can get next summer for nothing. I'd be shocked if Karlsson signed a contract prior to testing the UFA waters. He will possibly become the top paid defenseman in the league.
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Posted 2018-06-10 6:41 PM (#706333 - in reply to #702887)
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Kreider doesn’t go unless he’s part of a top three pick trade. I don’t see the Rangers being able to move up period. I just don’t see teams trading down this year.
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If thats the case I would def move him....He has all the tools to be a monster but doesnt use them and disappears for 20 games at a time
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Posted 2018-06-10 6:48 PM (#706335 - in reply to #702887)
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Rob should be done with work soon! filet mignon selling like hot cakes
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Posted 2018-06-10 8:07 PM (#706337 - in reply to #702887)
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Kreider, Hayes, and Zuccs go nowhere..... All 3 get letters on their sweaters, in fact.
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Posted 2018-06-10 8:09 PM (#706339 - in reply to #702887)
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Zuc is a goner no doubt about it...he doesnt fit the re tool...no way you extend him so you gotta move him
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Posted 2018-06-10 8:11 PM (#706340 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-10 8:22 PM (#706341 - in reply to #702887)
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Gorton is going to bring the noise over the next Month...LGR!
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Posted 2018-06-10 8:29 PM (#706343 - in reply to #702887)
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And there are Ryan O'Reilly rumors out there....Im a NO

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Posted 2018-06-10 9:31 PM (#706344 - in reply to #706339)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-10 7:09 PM

Zuc is a goner no doubt about it...he doesnt fit the re tool...no way you extend him so you gotta move him






I agree Zucc is in play at the draft but his value is almost useless in a move up in the draft attempt, teams with a higher pick are not interested in a pending UFA on the wrong side of 30. He would likely be traded to a team making a push for a Cup. The Rangers should be able to get some young assets back, or might find nothing to their liking and keep him til next seasons trade deadline.
Personally I don’t see Hayes ever having the game to battle it out in the playoffs, picking his game and effort up if the Rangers advanced in playoff rounds. He is a easy guy to play against and with Zibanejad and Hayes number one and two that’s a lot of losing battles going on from your top time on ice centres. Something has to give there and on defense.
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Posted 2018-06-11 6:27 AM (#706347 - in reply to #702887)
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Yep totally...Hayes and Zib are both soft...Zib also has an injury past.....With new Coach I wonder if Hayes is untouchable.
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robstones - 2018-06-10 3:55 PM

Anyone think The Rangers trade #26 and #28 overall in a package for Erik Karlsson? Anyone?


No. What's the point of adding Karlsson early in a rebuild?
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Yep totally...Hayes and Zib are both soft...Zib also has an injury past.....With new Coach I wonder if Hayes is untouchable.




I hope not. Although one of the things about College hockey is if you make a mistake and recruit a player that has the talent to play but just doesn't fit in your program your stuck with the guy for four years. If he turns into a marginal or lazy player that puts in just enough effort to be part of the team your stuck with him. You start getting rid of players you recruited because of talent or team player deficiencies and word will get around real fast and end of program or coaching career. College coaches have to walk that delicate balance of motivating without play better or your gone ultimatums. They have to draw on many motivational tools to try to get the best out of kids. Which brings me to Hayes who strikes me as a guy who does just enough to stay in the lineup, but really really needs some extra motivation and extra one way dialogue from a coach to get him to the level of player his size and skill suggests he could be. Here's hoping Quinn can get the best out of Hayes. Kreider in my opinion just needs to be free from Chewy. But we will see.

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And there are Ryan O'Reilly rumors out there....Im a NO


I was going to ask you all what you thought about this rumor...

He is only 28, and a better offensive player than anyone we have right now. What if Buffalo took Staal in the deal?
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Yep totally...Hayes and Zib are both soft...Zib also has an injury past.....With new Coach I wonder if Hayes is untouchable.




I hope not. Although one of the things about College hockey is if you make a mistake and recruit a player that has the talent to play but just doesn't fit in your program your stuck with the guy for four years. If he turns into a marginal or lazy player that puts in just enough effort to be part of the team your stuck with him. You start getting rid of players you recruited because of talent or team player deficiencies and word will get around real fast and end of program or coaching career. College coaches have to walk that delicate balance of motivating without play better or your gone ultimatums. They have to draw on many motivational tools to try to get the best out of kids. Which brings me to Hayes who strikes me as a guy who does just enough to stay in the lineup, but really really needs some extra motivation and extra one way dialogue from a coach to get him to the level of player his size and skill suggests he could be. Here's hoping Quinn can get the best out of Hayes. Kreider in my opinion just needs to be free from Chewy. But we will see.

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Mikey Red - 2018-06-10 8:29 PM

And there are Ryan O'Reilly rumors out there....Im a NO


I was going to ask you all what you thought about this rumor...

He is only 28, and a better offensive player than anyone we have right now. What if Buffalo took Staal in the deal?

If we can get him for minimum assets and swap salaries like Staal or Smith I would listen....O'reilly makes premium dollars
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Draft is next Frriday!!!!!




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We traded away a 27 year old, 55 point, 2 way center because $6.5m/4 years was too much to pay for 55 points, but we're willing to trade away assets for a 27 year old, 61 point, 2 way center costing $7.5m for 5 more years?

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We traded away a 27 year old, 55 point, 2 way center because $6.5m/4 years was too much to pay for 55 points, but we're willing to trade away assets for a 27 year old, 61 point, 2 way center costing $7.5m for 5 more years?


Shiny new thing.

He read something......
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Posted 2018-06-11 3:31 PM (#706361 - in reply to #706358)
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We traded away a 27 year old, 55 point, 2 way center because $6.5m/4 years was too much to pay for 55 points, but we're willing to trade away assets for a 27 year old, 61 point, 2 way center costing $7.5m for 5 more years?

They ddin't trade him because of the money...they traded him because of the the movement clause. Doubt they'll go ROR route as his no movement clause kicks in this season.
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Posted 2018-06-11 7:18 PM (#706362 - in reply to #706361)
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We traded away a 27 year old, 55 point, 2 way center because $6.5m/4 years was too much to pay for 55 points, but we're willing to trade away assets for a 27 year old, 61 point, 2 way center costing $7.5m for 5 more years?

They ddin't trade him because of the money...they traded him because of the the movement clause. Doubt they'll go ROR route as his no movement clause kicks in this season.

Exactly
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Posted 2018-06-11 8:39 PM (#706364 - in reply to #702887)
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Of course it was about money and it was about the nmc kicking in at the money owed. If the money was lower with the nmc he’d probably still be here, if there wasn’t a nmc at the money he was getting he might still be here. One compounds the problem of the other.
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Posted 2018-06-12 3:13 AM (#706366 - in reply to #706364)
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Of course it was about money and it was about the nmc kicking in at the money owed. If the money was lower with the nmc he’d probably still be here, if there wasn’t a nmc at the money he was getting he might still be here. One compounds the problem of the other.
While his stats were admirable, even without the NMC and a lower salary, Stepan's days here were numbered - especially since Gorts wants a tougher team: Stepan was a cream puff as they come; then you add the two concussions.

I believe Gorts would have waited and gotten better value for him if that clause wasn't kicking in...but he was definitely a goner.

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Posted 2018-06-12 7:44 AM (#706367 - in reply to #706366)
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Of course it was about money and it was about the nmc kicking in at the money owed. If the money was lower with the nmc he’d probably still be here, if there wasn’t a nmc at the money he was getting he might still be here. One compounds the problem of the other.
While his stats were admirable, even without the NMC and a lower salary, Stepan's days here were numbered - especially since Gorts wants a tougher team: Stepan was a cream puff as they come; then you add the two concussions.

I believe Gorts would have waited and gotten better value for him if that clause wasn't kicking in...but he was definitely a goner.




I agree the clause was the issue compounded by the money, and like you say he had to go. The money made the clause to big a risk. I also agree as written elsewhere trading or signing O'Reilly as a "replacement" would be a dumb move. Big money for mediocrity.
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Posted 2018-06-14 8:22 AM (#706406 - in reply to #702887)
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Rangers have to move up or we will get the worst of the top end prospects
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Rangers have to move up or we will get the worst of the top end prospects


by your logic, why would a team trade down to get the worst of the top end prospects?
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Rangers have to move up or we will get the worst of the top end prospects


by your logic, why would a team trade down to get the worst of the top end prospects?

Because that is what we seem to always do....go for the lowest ceiling player...so it can be done! Bergevin is capable of messing up
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Rangers have to move up or we will get the worst of the top end prospects


by your logic, why would a team trade down to get the worst of the top end prospects?

Because that is what we seem to always do....go for the lowest ceiling player...so it can be done! Bergevin is capable of messing up


We always trade down to get the worst of the top end prospects?
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Posted 2018-06-15 5:48 AM (#706442 - in reply to #702887)
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Rangers never trade down you imbecile. It's like your eyes are closed watching this team all the time.
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I have faith Gorton is going to try to do the right thing...I believe he is going to try to move up...or use the 26 and 28 in some form to move up into the teens or to get a stud top 4 defenseman ....lots of balls in the air...No reaching this year
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Posted 2018-06-17 9:10 AM (#706495 - in reply to #706494)
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Posted 2018-06-17 9:37 AM (#706496 - in reply to #702887)
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Hayes for a D upgrade would be good.... Adam Fox would be great.

Namestnikov and one of the late 1sts to move up in the draft has always been a good idea to me.

If they can do that..... sign JVR..... then I would say Kovy would put us as a possible contender..... not even including the draft.

If not one this year, he'd have to see the potential for NYR next year. If Shestyorkin is good enough to compete for Lundqvist's job, nobody would know that better than Kovalchuk. No one has had a better look at Rykov either, who is set to come here with Shestyorkin.

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Posted 2018-06-17 2:03 PM (#706500 - in reply to #702887)
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Bouchard, Dobson two righty's one will be there at the Rangers first pick. Then two forwards. Trade Hayes for a defenseman. that will be a good day.
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Posted 2018-06-17 2:32 PM (#706501 - in reply to #702887)
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What if teams pass on the smaller D for the same reasons we would.... That is, the draft goes something like this

Dahlin
Svechnikov
Zadina
Tkachuk
Dobson
Bouchard
Whalstrom
Kotkaniemi

and the BPA are

Quinn Hughes and Adam Boqvist

Do you take one of them.... both of whom have been projected to be in the top 5....

Or do you pass for someone like Vitali Kravtsov.... Bode Wilde....
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No to Bovqist and Hughes ....they will get rag dolled in the nhl
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-17 5:14 PM

No to Bovqist and Hughes ....they will get rag dolled in the nhl


Right.... so do you just trade the pick?

"Reach" for a player that could be had at 15 or 20?

Get Veleno or Farabee?
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What if teams pass on the smaller D for the same reasons we would.... That is, the draft goes something like this

Dahlin
Svechnikov
Zadina
Tkachuk
Dobson
Bouchard
Whalstrom
Kotkaniemi

and the BPA are

Quinn Hughes and Adam Boqvist

Do you take one of them.... both of whom have been projected to be in the top 5....

Or do you pass for someone like Vitali Kravtsov.... Bode Wilde....



There could be a lot of what ifs. I think Montreal is the beginning of a domino effect if they went off the board and took Kotkaniemi then Ottawa takes Zadina and all bets are off. Only four more picks and it’s the Rangers turn. If Hughes and Boqvist go in the next four it leaves a pool of Bouchard, Thachuk, Wahlstrom, and Dobson for the Rangers to get one of after two more are picked. To me it wouldn’t matter which one.
Hughes and Boqvist are the hyped guys because of being dynamic, I don’t see them slipping out of the top eight if they did I think the Rangers would be taking one.
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Posted 2018-06-17 4:28 PM (#706505 - in reply to #702887)
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Yeah I've talked about this on various posts.... Kotkaniemi is a huge keystone to this draft.

We want to see Hughes and Boqvist come off the board before it's our turn.... If that happens, we are going to be happy no matter what. It would mean a choice between two of the following:

Whalstrom
Dobson
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi

I don't think Tkachuk or Zadina are dropping to #9.
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Posted 2018-06-17 6:06 PM (#706507 - in reply to #706503)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-17 5:14 PM

No to Bovqist and Hughes ....they will get rag dolled in the nhl


Right.... so do you just trade the pick?

"Reach" for a player that could be had at 15 or 20?

Get Veleno or Farabee?

Im all aboard the move up train
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Posted 2018-06-17 8:25 PM (#706509 - in reply to #706507)
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No to Bovqist and Hughes ....they will get rag dolled in the nhl


Right.... so do you just trade the pick?

"Reach" for a player that could be had at 15 or 20?

Get Veleno or Farabee?

Im all aboard the move up train


Sure, but my hypothetical is worst case scenario....

Nobody ahead of us likes our offer.... we locked in at #9

Not only that, but the names that come off the board are Kotkaniemi, Dobson, Bouchard, Whalstrom, Svechnikov, Zadina, Dahlin, Tkachuk (in whatever order).... so none of those players are available.

Would you prefer they take Hughes or Boqvist? (If so, which do you favor), or....
Pick outside the precieved top 10? Joel Farabee is good..... Bode Wilde.... Vitali Kravtsov
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Yeah I've talked about this on various posts.... Kotkaniemi is a huge keystone to this draft.

We want to see Hughes and Boqvist come off the board before it's our turn.... If that happens, we are going to be happy no matter what. It would mean a choice between two of the following:

Whalstrom
Dobson
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi

I don't think Tkachuk or Zadina are dropping to #9.




I don’t see it either. No reason in the world for Ottawa if still drafting fourth to pass on Zadina at four unless they want
Thachuk, assuming Montreal drafts Kotkaniemi. Either way one might slip a couple spots if teams at 5,6,7 start a run on defense, but I don’t see the 5 pick passing on Zadina or Thachuk if they are still on the board. And I agree the best thing that could happen for the Rangers picking at 9 is have Hughes, Boqvist and Kotkaniemi get picked in the top 8. Then I like what would be still available for the Rangers to pick.
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Posted 2018-06-18 6:40 AM (#706512 - in reply to #706509)
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No to Bovqist and Hughes ....they will get rag dolled in the nhl


Right.... so do you just trade the pick?

"Reach" for a player that could be had at 15 or 20?

Get Veleno or Farabee?

Im all aboard the move up train


Sure, but my hypothetical is worst case scenario....

Nobody ahead of us likes our offer.... we locked in at #9

Not only that, but the names that come off the board are Kotkaniemi, Dobson, Bouchard, Whalstrom, Svechnikov, Zadina, Dahlin, Tkachuk (in whatever order).... so none of those players are available.

Would you prefer they take Hughes or Boqvist? (If so, which do you favor), or....
Pick outside the precieved top 10? Joel Farabee is good..... Bode Wilde.... Vitali Kravtsov

If that is the case...I would see who Bob Mackenzie and Craig Button like etc... and furthermore...If I have to stay at #9....They must use the 26 and 28 to move up into the teens
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Posted 2018-06-18 8:44 AM (#706513 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-18 8:46 AM (#706514 - in reply to #702887)
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I think Gorton knows he F'd up last year with the #7...Im sure he is not trying to make that mistake again
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I think Gorton knows he F'd up last year with the #7...Im sure he is not trying to make that mistake again


It really bugs me that you don't like Lias
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-18 10:46 AM

I think Gorton knows he F'd up last year with the #7...Im sure he is not trying to make that mistake again


It really bugs me that you don't like Lias

Lol Im rooting for him...but all the sites have guys that are bummed on him too...Things like Howden has a better shot to make team this year than Lias...We shall see...I want action! go Jeff go!
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Posted 2018-06-18 8:56 AM (#706517 - in reply to #702887)
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Ever since I first started pushing for the Rangers to get Kotkaniemi (4/30), he's been climbing in the draft. He's a potential #1 center, who could step right in. Move up and take him. If not, Tkachuk may stay in college and Hughes and Boqvist are undersized. Veleno likely still on the board at 28. If it's BPA and what's there are undersized defensemen, I'd trade down for extra picks. If we can trade up, get Kotkaniemi.
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Ever since I first started pushing for the Rangers to get Kotkaniemi (4/30), he's been climbing in the draft. He's a potential #1 center, who could step right in. Move up and take him. If not, Tkachuk may stay in college and Hughes and Boqvist are undersized. Veleno likely still on the board at 28. If it's BPA and what's there are undersized defensemen, I'd trade down for extra picks. If we can trade up, get Kotkaniemi.


Do you put him above Whalstrom?
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NTHockey - 2018-06-18 9:56 AM

Ever since I first started pushing for the Rangers to get Kotkaniemi (4/30), he's been climbing in the draft. He's a potential #1 center, who could step right in. Move up and take him. If not, Tkachuk may stay in college and Hughes and Boqvist are undersized. Veleno likely still on the board at 28. If it's BPA and what's there are undersized defensemen, I'd trade down for extra picks. If we can trade up, get Kotkaniemi.


I'm naturally wary of late risers, especially those who rise even after their season ends. Seems fishy to me.

Not saying he's not a good player but I look at those cases with a little more skepticism.
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Yeah if I can't have Svechnikov or Zadina... my rankings are

Whalstrom
Tkachuk
Dobson
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi

If any of those 5 are available at #9 I'll be happy. Very good chance of that happening, too. Hughes and Boqvist need to come off the board! Teams love those kinds of guys.... Both have been projected in the top 5, and probably rightfully so.

As much as they say small skilled defenseman thrive in today's NHL.... still not my top choice. Gotta love guys who can skate circles around everyone, but NY needs some size and power.

If they choose a RHD, they NEED to take a scoring winger with their next pick.... and visa versa.... If they get a forward with their first pick, the next MUST be a RHD

BPA only goes so far.... organizational need are important imo.
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I hope JG is trying to have 2 top 9 picks...
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Anyone who says Hayes is untouchable is crazy....He had a breakaway where he didnt shoot and took it behind the net
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Trade up take wahlstrom or tkachuk.
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sk4life40 - 2018-06-18 7:19 PM

Trade up take wahlstrom or tkachuk.

A1 where ya been?
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-18 3:03 PM

Anyone who says Hayes is untouchable is crazy....He had a breakaway where he didnt shoot and took it behind the net


Who says that?!? Hayes, untouchable?!? The Great One was traded. Mess was traded. Jagr was traded. Roy was traded. Who is Hayes?
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-18 3:03 PM

Anyone who says Hayes is untouchable is crazy....He had a breakaway where he didnt shoot and took it behind the net


Who says that?!? Hayes, untouchable?!? The Great One was traded. Mess was traded. Jagr was traded. Roy was traded. Who is Hayes?

Exactly! many on BSB need to be told that
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I'm not sure anyone is untouchable.... I'd say the only one I wouldn't trade is Shestyorkin.

I have The Rangers depth at center being

Zibanejad
Chytil
Andersson
Hayes

Hayes and JT were our best PKers last year. When Miller was traded, he and Fast killed the penalties.

Kreider Zibanejad Buchnevich
JVR Chytil Zuccarello
Spooner Andersson Wahlstrom
Vesey Hayes Fast

I traded Nanestnikov instead of Hayes to move up, and get Whalstrom

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I dig it....but if Hayes stays he is def not the 4C .... if Carolina asked for shesty Hayes and the 26 for the #2.... would you do it?
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Here it is folks...The Bible....I trust these people more than Gordie Clark

https://www.tsn.ca/kotkaniemi-surges-into-top-five-of-tsn-draft-rank...
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Yeah, so good news is they have Wahlstrom at #9..... bad news is he's flanked by Hughes and Boqvist. If Wahlstrom goes at #8 leaving us the two small D, I hope they reach up to 12 and get Kravtsov

Bode Wilde fell to #25 on this list..... if he comes to us at #26 I'll be more than happy to have drafted Wilde and Kravstov

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Absolutely bro...thats why I think a trade up is coming....Hell no on Boqvist or Hughes...see they slipped too
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Another good read

https://thehockeywriters.com/2018-nhl-mock-draft-consensus-edition/

Also has Wahlstrom at 9 for us.


Which leads me to believe the only reason The Rangers move up is to draft Tkachuk for Quinn to coach
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Good read..definitely...
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The dominos have begun to fall in Ottawa....Mike Hoffman traded to Florida

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Screw it.... go for Svechnikov. Pry him out of Carolina's filthy hands
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Screw it.... go for Svechnikov. Pry him out of Carolina's filthy hands

Yep...maybe we can get Skinner or Noah in a blockbuster also
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Maybe the #9 Zuc Hayes and Lias for Skinner or Noah and the #2?
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Ottawa is being H bombed right now...They definitely need to trade Duchene and Karlsson who will be UFA after next season
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Another good read

https://thehockeywriters.com/2018-nhl-mock-draft-consensus-edition/

Also has Wahlstrom at 9 for us.


Which leads me to believe the only reason The Rangers move up is to draft Tkachuk for Quinn to coach


Tkachuck is overrated. If Hughes is available at 9 I'd take him, assuming the other obvious candidates are off the board. He looked really comfortable playing with mostly NHLers at the World Championship, I don't have any doubts that despite his size his game will translate. Boqvist is much more raw and has less experience vs men so more question marks from me.
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Just ate a burger with a1 on it

Haha wooo!
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https://foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-and-canadiens-matchup-well-for...

They have Hayes, #9, and #26 going to Montreal for the #3..... Filip Zadina

Which would be fantastic news for Filip Chytil and Libor Hajek, and The New York Rangers' rebuild.
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I want more back from Mtl if I do that deal...Thats giving up 3 pieces for 1
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I want more back from Mtl if I do that deal...Thats giving up 3 pieces for 1


Especially since Wahlstrom could be there for us at 9
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I want more back from Mtl if I do that deal...Thats giving up 3 pieces for 1


Especially since Wahlstrom could be there for us at 9

Yep...I want Ollie Wally
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Another good read

https://thehockeywriters.com/2018-nhl-mock-draft-consensus-edition/

Also has Wahlstrom at 9 for us.


Which leads me to believe the only reason The Rangers move up is to draft Tkachuk for Quinn to coach


nice list. I like that he goes beyond the first round, unlike so many other mock drafts
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Ive read a story or two Zadina could slide. I know we are not supposed to read around here but it’s a good way to get info.
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Ive read a story or two Zadina could slide. I know we are not supposed to read around here but it’s a good way to get info.


Yeah, if it's the ones I've read, it's because Montreal drafted to team need to get the best center in the draft in Kotkaniemi

I haven't seen Zadina out of the top 5.

Tkachuk has fallen in a lot of rankings. So has Bouchard and Boqvist.... both considered the second best defenseman in the draft behind Dahlin. Now it seems Dobson has risen. Quinn Hughes has consistently dancing around 5th overall

Zadina was so good in the WJC. When he stepped on the ice, the whole game changed.... That didn't happen with Dahlin.... that didn't happen with Svechnikov.... Tkachuk was good, but Zadina was on another level.

If Montreal or anyone passes on him at #3, I think they'd be passing on the BPA

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Ive read a story or two Zadina could slide. I know we are not supposed to read around here but it’s a good way to get info.

No R...No reading allowed !
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Looks like Victor Hedman should of been the #1 pick in the 2009 draft
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Look at these prospect rankings from last year...NOBODY has Lias in the top 10....one guy even had him at 25.....What on Earth was Gorton thinking? This is a serious question. Is it Gordie Clark or Jeff?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings
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Look at these prospect rankings from last year...NOBODY has Lias in the top 10....one guy even had him at 25.....What on Earth was Gorton thinking? This is a serious question. Is it Gordie Clark or Jeff?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings


C'mon Mikey, you need to stop reading things!

What Gorton did is what the experts like to call "going outside of the box"
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Ive read a story or two Zadina could slide. I know we are not supposed to read around here but it’s a good way to get info.


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Look at these prospect rankings from last year...NOBODY has Lias in the top 10....one guy even had him at 25.....What on Earth was Gorton thinking? This is a serious question. Is it Gordie Clark or Jeff?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings


C'mon Mikey, you need to stop reading things!

What Gorton did is what the experts like to call "going outside of the box"

Haha I know Im going to EASILY get in trouble for reading.....But this ineptness stuff makes me crazy
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I hope something is brewing...I do not want to go into this draft with the 9 and no other moves
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I know I shouldn't have read it, but I did......

Adam Rotter thinks to believe that the Rangers could offer the 28th pick, a second round pick, Namestinkov, and Gilmour to Ottawa for Karlsson and a bad contract. He thinks the sens would do this deal......

Would you???
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-06-21 8:49 AM

I know I shouldn't have read it, but I did......

Adam Rotter thinks to believe that the Rangers could offer the 28th pick, a second round pick, Namestinkov, and Gilmour to Ottawa for Karlsson and a bad contract. He thinks the sens would do this deal......

Would you???

lol lol ....Adam Herman needs his head examined...Everyone in Ottawa should be fired if they do that deal.....If I remember right...Herman was pro Stepan and pro AV
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That would be the deal of the century for the rangers. And melnyk would need the moving trucks packed up in ottawa before the trade is announced.
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Look at these prospect rankings from last year...NOBODY has Lias in the top 10....one guy even had him at 25.....What on Earth was Gorton thinking? This is a serious question. Is it Gordie Clark or Jeff?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings


C'mon Mikey, you need to stop reading things!

What Gorton did is what the experts like to call "going outside of the box"

Haha I know Im going to EASILY get in trouble for reading.....But this ineptness stuff makes me crazy


Right, but look how many "experts" had Gabe Virlardi as the lock #3.... he fell to 11th!

One of these clowns has Hischer at #3!

We drafted a top 6 two way center who was NHL ready out of the gate.... how inept.... Mckenzie was closest, and had Lias at 13th overall.... we took him at 7..... it's not that far "outside the box"

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I will be put at ease when Lias becomes that top 6 2 way player....If a player is not ranked in the top 10 by anyone covering the sport....Why on Earth would you take him at the #7 ?... madness....Middlestadt was just about in everyones top 10
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From Corey Pronman of the Athletic


Nick S: What would be, in your opinion, the best case scenario for the Rangers?
Looking through their system, their NHL team, there’s no guy there who I think that guy either is or will be the star, the foundation of their rebuild. That guy isn’t in the farm system now. Maybe Filip Chytil –who I love — is that guy, but he’s not a top-five pick/elite prospect, and you probably don’t get that star player with the ninth pick. A best case (and unlikely) scenario for New York is one where they get very creative and finish the weekend with that kind of player in the organization.
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Rangers always seem to go "outside the box" which will be a good name for next seasons threads to replace "Winter is Coming"
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 6:15 AM

Look at these prospect rankings from last year...NOBODY has Lias in the top 10....one guy even had him at 25.....What on Earth was Gorton thinking? This is a serious question. Is it Gordie Clark or Jeff?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings


C'mon Mikey, you need to stop reading things!

What Gorton did is what the experts like to call "going outside of the box"

Haha I know Im going to EASILY get in trouble for reading.....But this ineptness stuff makes me crazy


Right, but look how many "experts" had Gabe Virlardi as the lock #3.... he fell to 11th!

One of these clowns has Hischer at #3!

We drafted a top 6 two way center who was NHL ready out of the gate.... how inept.... Mckenzie was closest, and had Lias at 13th overall.... we took him at 7..... it's not that far "outside the box"






Andersson was not NHL ready out of the gate or he would have been in the NHL. Anyone who watched him last season could see a lot of tentativeness to his NHL game. For a guy who played against men in Sweden he showed little confidence in the NHL battling men. Which is not suprising. He showed no advantage in that regard over a top prospect coming out of junior. Andersson is never going to be a top six forward, more likely will settle into a middle six role and if he manages second line be happy cause that’s it. The Rangers had a shot at a guy who could become the cornerstone of Buffalo’s powerplay for years to come and their number one go to offensive center. Instead they took on a reach a guy who does not have that extra ordinary offensive element to his game.
I’m not saying Andersson might not be a good player, but Middlestadt fell in the Rangers lap because of teams drafting other types of players ahead of them. He was the type of player they never get a chance at drafting. Three years from now Middlestadt and Chytil might have been powering a hell of a offence.

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In the grand scheme of things with all the data available....Lias at 7 is a terrible decision and if it was Clarks call....he should of been fired on the spot
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 7:55 AM

Rangerjunkie - 2018-06-21 8:49 AM

I know I shouldn't have read it, but I did......

Adam Rotter thinks to believe that the Rangers could offer the 28th pick, a second round pick, Namestinkov, and Gilmour to Ottawa for Karlsson and a bad contract. He thinks the sens would do this deal......

Would you???

lol lol ....Adam Herman needs his head examined...Everyone in Ottawa should be fired if they do that deal.....If I remember right...Herman was pro Stepan and pro AV


Maybe a minor point here, but Adam Rotter is not Adam Herman. It's actually two different people who happen to have the same first name!
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 7:55 AM

Rangerjunkie - 2018-06-21 8:49 AM

I know I shouldn't have read it, but I did......

Adam Rotter thinks to believe that the Rangers could offer the 28th pick, a second round pick, Namestinkov, and Gilmour to Ottawa for Karlsson and a bad contract. He thinks the sens would do this deal......

Would you???

lol lol ....Adam Herman needs his head examined...Everyone in Ottawa should be fired if they do that deal.....If I remember right...Herman was pro Stepan and pro AV


Maybe a minor point here, but Adam Rotter is not Adam Herman. It's actually two different people who happen to have the same first name!

Haha you are right...I didnt even realize it....I see Adam and Rangers ...I think Herman...I have no opinion on Rotter
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I know I shouldn't have read it, but I did......

Adam Rotter thinks to believe that the Rangers could offer the 28th pick, a second round pick, Namestinkov, and Gilmour to Ottawa for Karlsson and a bad contract. He thinks the sens would do this deal......

Would you???

lol lol ....Adam Herman needs his head examined...Everyone in Ottawa should be fired if they do that deal.....If I remember right...Herman was pro Stepan and pro AV


Maybe a minor point here, but Adam Rotter is not Adam Herman. It's actually two different people who happen to have the same first name!

Haha you are right...I didnt even realize it....I see Adam and Rangers ...I think Herman...I have no opinion on Rotter

It's that reading comprehension thing rearing its ugly head again.
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Look at these prospect rankings from last year...NOBODY has Lias in the top 10....one guy even had him at 25.....What on Earth was Gorton thinking? This is a serious question. Is it Gordie Clark or Jeff?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings


C'mon Mikey, you need to stop reading things!

What Gorton did is what the experts like to call "going outside of the box"

Haha I know Im going to EASILY get in trouble for reading.....But this ineptness stuff makes me crazy


Right, but look how many "experts" had Gabe Virlardi as the lock #3.... he fell to 11th!

One of these clowns has Hischer at #3!

We drafted a top 6 two way center who was NHL ready out of the gate.... how inept.... Mckenzie was closest, and had Lias at 13th overall.... we took him at 7..... it's not that far "outside the box"






Andersson was not NHL ready out of the gate or he would have been in the NHL. Anyone who watched him last season could see a lot of tentativeness to his NHL game. For a guy who played against men in Sweden he showed little confidence in the NHL battling men. Which is not suprising. He showed no advantage in that regard over a top prospect coming out of junior. Andersson is never going to be a top six forward, more likely will settle into a middle six role and if he manages second line be happy cause that’s it. The Rangers had a shot at a guy who could become the cornerstone of Buffalo’s powerplay for years to come and their number one go to offensive center. Instead they took on a reach a guy who does not have that extra ordinary offensive element to his game.
I’m not saying Andersson might not be a good player, but Middlestadt fell in the Rangers lap because of teams drafting other types of players ahead of them. He was the type of player they never get a chance at drafting. Three years from now Middlestadt and Chytil might have been powering a hell of a offence.


He was ready. Better than Deshernais..... the only reason he and Chytil didn't stick is because AV.
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I didn't want either Lias or Mittlestadt, for the record. I wanted Necas
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-06-21 8:49 AM

I know I shouldn't have read it, but I did......

Adam Rotter thinks to believe that the Rangers could offer the 28th pick, a second round pick, Namestinkov, and Gilmour to Ottawa for Karlsson and a bad contract. He thinks the sens would do this deal......

Would you???

lol lol ....Adam Herman needs his head examined...Everyone in Ottawa should be fired if they do that deal.....If I remember right...Herman was pro Stepan and pro AV


Maybe a minor point here, but Adam Rotter is not Adam Herman. It's actually two different people who happen to have the same first name!

Haha you are right...I didnt even realize it....I see Adam and Rangers ...I think Herman...I have no opinion on Rotter

It's that reading comprehension thing rearing its ugly head again.

Yep ...EASILY
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 6:15 AM

Look at these prospect rankings from last year...NOBODY has Lias in the top 10....one guy even had him at 25.....What on Earth was Gorton thinking? This is a serious question. Is it Gordie Clark or Jeff?

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017-draft/2017-nhl-draft-rankings


C'mon Mikey, you need to stop reading things!

What Gorton did is what the experts like to call "going outside of the box"

Haha I know Im going to EASILY get in trouble for reading.....But this ineptness stuff makes me crazy


Right, but look how many "experts" had Gabe Virlardi as the lock #3.... he fell to 11th!

One of these clowns has Hischer at #3!

We drafted a top 6 two way center who was NHL ready out of the gate.... how inept.... Mckenzie was closest, and had Lias at 13th overall.... we took him at 7..... it's not that far "outside the box"






Andersson was not NHL ready out of the gate or he would have been in the NHL. Anyone who watched him last season could see a lot of tentativeness to his NHL game. For a guy who played against men in Sweden he showed little confidence in the NHL battling men. Which is not suprising. He showed no advantage in that regard over a top prospect coming out of junior. Andersson is never going to be a top six forward, more likely will settle into a middle six role and if he manages second line be happy cause that’s it. The Rangers had a shot at a guy who could become the cornerstone of Buffalo’s powerplay for years to come and their number one go to offensive center. Instead they took on a reach a guy who does not have that extra ordinary offensive element to his game.
I’m not saying Andersson might not be a good player, but Middlestadt fell in the Rangers lap because of teams drafting other types of players ahead of them. He was the type of player they never get a chance at drafting. Three years from now Middlestadt and Chytil might have been powering a hell of a offence.


He was ready. Better than Deshernais..... the only reason he and Chytil didn't stick is because AV.



He will be in a battle to make this years mess.
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He was ready. Better than Deshernais..... the only reason he and Chytil didn't stick is because AV.


For the record I tend to agree with this in hindsight...Andersson, like Desharnais, was a fringe NHLer at the beginning of the season. In a different situation, with a different coach, this could easily have been Andersson in the bottom 6 instead of DD.

I also don't think this is so dissimilar to the situations of many other young Rangers before Andersson - Chytil, Duclair, DeAngelo, Buchnevich, Vesey - most of these young players are borderline NHLers when they come up, which is why I'm against the offseason signings of veteran depth guys - they're not appreciably better than the young guys, and they serve to suppress the development of young players.

If I had to guess, I'd say we deal a center or two at the draft and one of Andersson/Chyti, possibly both, stick full time. I don't see room for guys like Howden to break through - could probably use a pro year in the AHL. At this point though it's a numbers game, we have so many centers that the kids are going to be lower on the depth chart, at least until Spooner/Namestinkov/Hayes? get dealt.
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I know I shouldn't have read it, but I did......

Adam Rotter thinks to believe that the Rangers could offer the 28th pick, a second round pick, Namestinkov, and Gilmour to Ottawa for Karlsson and a bad contract. He thinks the sens would do this deal......

Would you???

lol lol ....Adam Herman needs his head examined...Everyone in Ottawa should be fired if they do that deal.....If I remember right...Herman was pro Stepan and pro AV


Maybe a minor point here, but Adam Rotter is not Adam Herman. It's actually two different people who happen to have the same first name!

Haha you are right...I didnt even realize it....I see Adam and Rangers ...I think Herman...I have no opinion on Rotter


My opinion of Rotter is he's got to be smoking crack to think the sens would do that deal. Rangers would have to give more.
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He will be in a battle to make this years mess.


You mean battle for The Calder
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He will be in a battle to make this years mess.


You mean battle for The Calder





Is their a Calder in the AHL? Andersson has already been passed by Chytil in the food chain, I would be suprised if Howden doesn’t also at training camp. We’ve had this conversation, I saw a guy in his late season tour that did very little to earn a spot next year. He’s got it to do in camp same as Chytil, and Howden and Hajek and Lindgren for that matter. If Andersson would have been as effective as Desharnais he would have been here. Management has the final say on the team Chewy had input.
Are we supposed to believe the Ranger management sat on their hands all season scalding their eyes watching a useless Desharnais knowing Andersson was better and would have helped and didn’t bring him up or keep him from the start of the season. That’s also a red flag as bad as Desharnais was and it was evident within about three games into the season and yet the Rangers rode it out with one of the most useless players in the entire league instead of bringing up Andersson who was supposedly ready.
That’s not how things work in the NHL. GM’s go down and tell the coach so and so is going and your playing this guy. The Rangers didn’t because Lias wasn’t ready.
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Whats scares me is that Gorton took Lias and Heatl and thought they could slip right into the linep to replace Stepan and Oscar....I hope thats not the case.....and it sounds like Howden is the real deal
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He will be in a battle to make this years mess.


You mean battle for The Calder

Calder Johannsen the Swedish phenom?
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He will be in a battle to make this years mess.


You mean battle for The Calder

Calder Johannsen the Swedish phenom?

Who played for the Caps lol
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Whats scares me is that Gorton took Lias and Heatl and thought they could slip right into the linep to replace Stepan and Oscar....I hope thats not the case.....and it sounds like Howden is the real deal


Nah probably not day 1, but Andersson should be about as good as Stepan when he blossoms. Chytil has the potential to be better, sure, but his game isn't/wasn't as refined as Andersson's.

They're both good. Howden is good, too....

I could see

Zibanejad
Chytil
Andersson
Howden

Down the middle


https://dobberprospects.com/Table/Prospects-home/New-York-Rangers-To...

Chytil hasn't passed anybody. These guys have Lias as our top prospect, and it's hard to disagree.

Chytil has the best hands and playmaking ability, while
Andersson is a good forechecker.... causes turnovers.... and gets open for quality scoring chances, all because of superior vision. He reads the game better.
Howden is a combination of the two.... his hands and playmaking are't quite as good as Filip, but better than Anderssons, while his vison and smarts isn't quite as good as Lias, but better than Chytils..... He's a good faceoff guy, too apparently.

Andersson isn't flashy, but he's effective.
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That list says its fantasy hockey.....
Read my post Mike,it’s Christmas list.

Edited by Blue404 2018-06-21 7:58 PM
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That list says its fantasy hockey.....
Read my post Mike,it’s Christmas list.

Ok I will read your post lol Merry Christmas
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I would take Bouchard before Quin the midget
Sean Day should not be ahead of anybody on that list if at all
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That list says its fantasy hockey.....
Read my post Mike,it’s Christmas list.

Ok I will read your post lol Merry Christmas
Yeah thanks man what’s your wish?
It’s the LIST that Santa needs to get in order to bring that player our desire the most.
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I would take Bouchard before Quin the midget
Sean Day should not be ahead of anybody on that list if at all


Top 5

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Dahlin
Dobson
Bouchard
Quinn
Boqvist

Offense

Svechnikov
Zadina
Wahlstrom
Kotkaniemi
Tkachuk

In my opinion. I take any of that offense before Quinn or Boqvist

Sean Day still has a high ceiling. He's probably still a bust, but there's still potential to get his act together, and dominate

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Yeah lets hope...he has God given tools and ability...I dont want Boqvist at all...too small...bad at D....2 concussions already
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That list says its fantasy hockey.....
Read my post Mike,it’s Christmas list.

Ok I will read your post lol Merry Christmas
Yeah thanks man what’s your wish?
It’s the LIST that Santa needs to get in order to bring that player our desire the most.

I want to make the Rangers great again!
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I would take Bouchard before Quin the midget
Sean Day should not be ahead of anybody on that list if at all


Top 5

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Dahlin
Dobson
Bouchard
Quinn
Boqvist

Offense

Svechnikov
Zadina
Wahlstrom
Kotkaniemi
Tkachuk

In my opinion. I take any of that offense before Quinn or Boqvist

Sean Day still has a high ceiling. He's probably still a bust, but there's still potential to get his act together, and dominate


Completely agree! Take one of these offensive guys over Quinn or Boqvist.
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That list says its fantasy hockey.....
Read my post Mike,it’s Christmas list.

Ok I will read your post lol Merry Christmas
Yeah thanks man what’s your wish?
It’s the LIST that Santa needs to get in order to bring that player our desire the most.

I want to make the Rangers great again!


And, just how exactly do YOU plan on doing that?
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-21 9:56 PM

That list says its fantasy hockey.....
Read my post Mike,it’s Christmas list.

Ok I will read your post lol Merry Christmas
Yeah thanks man what’s your wish?
It’s the LIST that Santa needs to get in order to bring that player our desire the most.

I want to make the Rangers great again!


And, just how exactly do YOU plan on doing that?

We start with firing Gordie Clark
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That list says its fantasy hockey.....
Read my post Mike,it’s Christmas list.

Ok I will read your post lol Merry Christmas
Yeah thanks man what’s your wish?
It’s the LIST that Santa needs to get in order to bring that player our desire the most.

I want to make the Rangers great again!


And, just how exactly do YOU plan on doing that?

We start with firing Gordie Clark


Hahaha
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From Corey Pronman of the Athletic


Nick S: What would be, in your opinion, the best case scenario for the Rangers?
Looking through their system, their NHL team, there’s no guy there who I think that guy either is or will be the star, the foundation of their rebuild. That guy isn’t in the farm system now. Maybe Filip Chytil –who I love — is that guy, but he’s not a top-five pick/elite prospect, and you probably don’t get that star player with the ninth pick. A best case (and unlikely) scenario for New York is one where they get very creative and finish the weekend with that kind of player in the organization.


I asked Corey where Chytil would be ranked, if he were two weeks younger and eligible for 2018 instead of 2017. He said probably about 10-13.

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This could be the biggest couple days in franchise history.... if things go well. The table is set!

i

I am trying to manage my enthusiasm.... you know how it goes... everyone picked has huge potential then they end up never making it in the NHL... so it seems.

Besides Hank I am hard pressed to think of somebody who met or exceeded expectations of draft day.
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From Corey Pronman of the Athletic


Nick S: What would be, in your opinion, the best case scenario for the Rangers?
Looking through their system, their NHL team, there’s no guy there who I think that guy either is or will be the star, the foundation of their rebuild. That guy isn’t in the farm system now. Maybe Filip Chytil –who I love — is that guy, but he’s not a top-five pick/elite prospect, and you probably don’t get that star player with the ninth pick. A best case (and unlikely) scenario for New York is one where they get very creative and finish the weekend with that kind of player in the organization.


I asked Corey where Chytil would be ranked, if he were two weeks younger and eligible for 2018 instead of 2017. He said probably about 10-13.


I think we got something with Heatl.....Lias I am disgusted with that pick
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This could be the biggest couple days in franchise history.... if things go well. The table is set!

i

I am trying to manage my enthusiasm.... you know how it goes... everyone picked has huge potential then they end up never making it in the NHL... so it seems.

Besides Hank I am hard pressed to think of somebody who met or exceeded expectations of draft day.

Or we could take Jessiman, Sanguinetti, Del Zotto or Mclrath
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This could be the biggest couple days in franchise history.... if things go well. The table is set!

i

I am trying to manage my enthusiasm.... you know how it goes... everyone picked has huge potential then they end up never making it in the NHL... so it seems.

Besides Hank I am hard pressed to think of somebody who met or exceeded expectations of draft day.


Absolutely. There's no denying that The Rangers have never been this wide open with this many options.... we have no idea what this team will look like.

There's still a possibility we end up with Karlsson and Kovalchuk... and still draft 8 players this year...

Not saying I want that. but is Hayes on the team or not? Zuccarello?

If all we do is stand pat. we have 10 throws at the dart board. It's a hig day.... maybe the biggest
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Im scared


If your scared get a dog... that was a quote from Howard Eskin the famous philly sports guy of whom i played golf with a few times, He actually was a pretty cool guy and fun to golf with...(for a philly guy)

I also played with Dan Quinn who was an awesome golfer and Pierre Larouche who could play...

I'm no slouch myself.... I kid myself I am one heck of a slouch....
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Pierre here is a great Larouche highlight....scroll to 5:40

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Yep...I was a little boy back then that couldnt consume enough NYR hockey and I am blessed that I got to experience the Garden in the 80's....deafening
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Im scared


gotta wonder how far the drama queen stuff goes.....
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Im scared


I'm more nervous than scared, but understand
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We're definitely getting Boqvist

I will quit the Rangers if that happens
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-22 1:59 PM

Im scared


gotta wonder how far the drama queen stuff goes.....

EASILY til at least 1998 when we took Malhotra
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Yep...I was a little boy back then that couldnt consume enough NYR hockey and I am blessed that I got to experience the Garden in the 80's....deafening


My first game was in 1966 against the Canadiens....The old MSG...I don't think I've missed a dozen games that were televised since then.

I was a huge Brad Park fan when I was a kid. And still think that Bobby Orr was the greatest hockey player in my lifetime.
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-22 2:26 PM

Yep...I was a little boy back then that couldnt consume enough NYR hockey and I am blessed that I got to experience the Garden in the 80's....deafening


My first game was in 1966 against the Canadiens....The old MSG...I don't think I've missed a dozen games that were televised since then.

I was a huge Brad Park fan when I was a kid. And still think that Bobby Orr was the greatest hockey player in my lifetime.

F'n tragedy they trade BP and JR
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Posted 2018-06-22 1:47 PM (#706712 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 2:22 PM (#706713 - in reply to #706707)
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We're definitely getting Boqvist

I will quit the Rangers if that happens


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Posted 2018-06-22 2:27 PM (#706714 - in reply to #706698)
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Posted 2018-06-22 2:43 PM (#706715 - in reply to #706671)
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I would take Bouchard before Quin the midget
Sean Day should not be ahead of anybody on that list if at all


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Dahlin
Dobson
Bouchard
Quinn
Boqvist

Offense

Svechnikov
Zadina
Wahlstrom
Kotkaniemi
Tkachuk

In my opinion. I take any of that offense before Quinn or Boqvist

Sean Day still has a high ceiling. He's probably still a bust, but there's still potential to get his act together, and dominate


Completely agree! Take one of these offensive guys over Quinn or Boqvist.


Ottawa's Karlsson (sp?) said that this Dahlin kid is better than he was @ that age. That's scary.
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Posted 2018-06-22 3:13 PM (#706716 - in reply to #706714)
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Im scared
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Posted 2018-06-22 3:14 PM (#706717 - in reply to #702887)
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Hell Hell Hell No on Boqvist....he is 5'11" maybe and 170 lbs....He is awful at D against the kids his own age....He is also on concussion #2 already NO NO NO
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Posted 2018-06-22 3:15 PM (#706718 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 3:23 PM (#706719 - in reply to #706715)
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I would take Bouchard before Quin the midget
Sean Day should not be ahead of anybody on that list if at all


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Dahlin
Dobson
Bouchard
Quinn
Boqvist

Offense

Svechnikov
Zadina
Wahlstrom
Kotkaniemi
Tkachuk

In my opinion. I take any of that offense before Quinn or Boqvist

Sean Day still has a high ceiling. He's probably still a bust, but there's still potential to get his act together, and dominate


Completely agree! Take one of these offensive guys over Quinn or Boqvist.


Ottawa's Karlsson (sp?) said that this Dahlin kid is better than he was @ that age. That's scary.


Yeah, in every way. He's bigger, faster, better hands.... And he can actually play defense.

Karlsson and Boqvist are very similar

Which is why we're trading our two late first rounders for Erik himself, and taking young Adam at 9
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Posted 2018-06-22 3:24 PM (#706720 - in reply to #706718)
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Make way for Svechnikov
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Posted 2018-06-22 4:05 PM (#706721 - in reply to #706720)
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Posted 2018-06-22 4:24 PM (#706722 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 4:52 PM (#706723 - in reply to #702887)
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Rangers will trade to get a pick not lower than #4
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Posted 2018-06-22 4:53 PM (#706724 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 4:55 PM (#706725 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:03 PM (#706726 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:04 PM (#706727 - in reply to #706724)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-06-22 6:53 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw

Still a great song!
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:04 PM (#706728 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:16 PM (#706730 - in reply to #702887)
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Orpik wants out of Colorado sportsnet reporting, Rangers should send them Gilmour and get some backbone on the d.
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:20 PM (#706732 - in reply to #706730)
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Orpik wants out of Colorado sportsnet reporting, Rangers should send them Gilmour and get some backbone on the d.
No!
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:23 PM (#706733 - in reply to #706732)
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Orpik wants out of Colorado sportsnet reporting, Rangers should send them Gilmour and get some backbone on the d.
No!


But Blue he will hit opposing players and play nasty. It’s on”y for a year or two. He’s better than Rob O’gara.
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:26 PM (#706734 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:27 PM (#706735 - in reply to #706733)
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Orpik wants out of Colorado sportsnet reporting, Rangers should send them Gilmour and get some backbone on the d.
No!


But Blue he will hit opposing players and play nasty. It’s on”y for a year or two. He’s better than Rob O’gara.

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Posted 2018-06-22 5:27 PM (#706736 - in reply to #706733)
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Orpik wants out of Colorado sportsnet reporting, Rangers should send them Gilmour and get some backbone on the d.
No!


But Blue he will hit opposing players and play nasty. It’s on”y for a year or two. He’s better than Rob O’gara.

I have learnt years years ago not to give up in big players.
Still no to Orpik.
Besides Rangers tried to sign him up years ago but he refused supposedly.
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:29 PM (#706737 - in reply to #702887)
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Pick 2 Carolina...We have a trade to announce
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:30 PM (#706738 - in reply to #702887)
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Gary Bettman should not be doing a Humboldt tribute...F him
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:31 PM (#706739 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:33 PM (#706740 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:35 PM (#706741 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:35 PM (#706742 - in reply to #702887)
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Hey did say they could boo him all they want.
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:36 PM (#706743 - in reply to #702887)
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He has been booed tremendously.
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:37 PM (#706744 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:38 PM (#706745 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:40 PM (#706746 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:41 PM (#706747 - in reply to #702887)
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I think Dahlin is going to get a Proactive zit treatment endorsement
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:41 PM (#706748 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:42 PM (#706749 - in reply to #706747)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2018-06-22 7:41 PM

I think Dahlin is going to get a Proactive zit treatment endorsement

hahahahaha
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:43 PM (#706750 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:45 PM (#706751 - in reply to #702887)
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Yup... at least she didn't say Stanrey

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Posted 2018-06-22 5:45 PM (#706752 - in reply to #702887)
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hahaha wo0oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:46 PM (#706753 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:46 PM (#706754 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:46 PM (#706755 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:47 PM (#706756 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:48 PM (#706757 - in reply to #702887)
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3 picks in round 1 and teams asking for Skjei, hayes and Zuc ...if he dont make a deal he should be fired
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:49 PM (#706758 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:51 PM (#706759 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:52 PM (#706760 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:53 PM (#706761 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:53 PM (#706762 - in reply to #702887)
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Wow...I dont like that pick
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:53 PM (#706763 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:54 PM (#706764 - in reply to #702887)
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That’s a risky pick for Montreal and now we need a team to draft Boqvist before the Rangers pick,
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:55 PM (#706765 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:55 PM (#706766 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:58 PM (#706767 - in reply to #702887)
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He is this years Lias Andersson.
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Posted 2018-06-22 5:59 PM (#706768 - in reply to #702887)
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Pierre sounds like this afternoon when he was jumping out of his skin on people passing Parise
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:00 PM (#706769 - in reply to #702887)
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Damn I wanted him.
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:00 PM (#706770 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:01 PM (#706771 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:01 PM (#706772 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:01 PM (#706773 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:03 PM (#706775 - in reply to #706774)
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Whats happened im out at dinner

Dahlin
Svech
Kot
Tkachuk...so far
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:03 PM (#706776 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:04 PM (#706777 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:04 PM (#706778 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:05 PM (#706779 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:05 PM (#706780 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:05 PM (#706781 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:06 PM (#706782 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:06 PM (#706783 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:08 PM (#706784 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:08 PM (#706785 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:09 PM (#706787 - in reply to #706784)
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Blue404 - 2018-06-22 8:08 PM

Well I am in my yard now so it’s better be a good news here posted from now on.
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:10 PM (#706788 - in reply to #706787)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-22 8:09 PM

Blue404 - 2018-06-22 8:08 PM

Well I am in my yard now so it’s better be a good news here posted from now on.
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Straight Kentucky Whisky my friend

Edited by Blue404 2018-06-22 6:11 PM
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:11 PM (#706789 - in reply to #706788)
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Blue404 - 2018-06-22 8:10 PM

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Blue404 - 2018-06-22 8:08 PM

Well I am in my yard now so it’s better be a good news here posted from now on.
Thank you.

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Syraight Kentucky Whisky my friend

Woo... have a sip for me!
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:11 PM (#706790 - in reply to #702887)
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Quinn or Zadina here
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:12 PM (#706791 - in reply to #702887)
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No midgets please.
I would welcome Tkachuk but Senators got him.
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:12 PM (#706792 - in reply to #702887)
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We are Guaranteed Wally Dobs or Bouchard
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:12 PM (#706793 - in reply to #702887)
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I used to watch the draft on espn 2 when i was a kid, they did a good job with their coverage. Wish theyd take over again.
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:14 PM (#706794 - in reply to #702887)
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Come on Vancouver...Take Boqvist
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:14 PM (#706795 - in reply to #702887)
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Van to take Quinn.
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:16 PM (#706796 - in reply to #702887)
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Bob says Quinn...Hes never wrong lol
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:17 PM (#706797 - in reply to #702887)
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Zuccarello will get a player of his caliber (in height)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:17 PM (#706798 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:17 PM (#706799 - in reply to #702887)
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When is us?
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:17 PM (#706800 - in reply to #702887)
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Beautiful. Thank you Montreal, Arizona and Vancouver.
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:18 PM (#706801 - in reply to #706799)
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Blue404 - 2018-06-22 8:17 PM

When is us?

after next pick
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:19 PM (#706802 - in reply to #706800)
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Rranger - 2018-06-22 8:17 PM

Beautiful. Thank you Montreal, Arizona and Vancouver.

Quinn will get rag dolled in the NHL
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:19 PM (#706803 - in reply to #702887)
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Come Hawks take Boqvist lol
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Posted 2018-06-22 6:20 PM (#706805 - in reply to #702887)
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Looks like we have some good cho