Kevin Hayes Resigned
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Posted 2018-07-30 5:31 PM (#708248)
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New York Rangers General Manager Jeff Gorton announced today that the team has agreed to terms with restricted free agent forward Kevin Hayes on a one-year contract.


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Posted 2018-07-30 5:33 PM (#708249 - in reply to #708248)
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$5.125 million and becomes UFA at end of the season.

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Posted 2018-07-30 5:37 PM (#708250 - in reply to #708248)
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Posted 2018-07-30 5:46 PM (#708252 - in reply to #708248)
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Nice knowing you Haysie.
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Posted 2018-07-30 6:10 PM (#708253 - in reply to #708248)
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Posted 2018-07-30 6:10 PM (#708254 - in reply to #708252)
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This is what happens when you manage to improve DESPITE a dumb-ass coach.

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Posted 2018-07-30 7:06 PM (#708255 - in reply to #708248)
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I think its pretty apparent he's gone by the trade deadline. However he has the ability to be the best forward in the dressing room by then. Going to be a interesting sidebar to the season to see how well he plays, and smart or dumb he makes the rangers look.
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Posted 2018-07-30 7:44 PM (#708256 - in reply to #708248)
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I think it is a good signing ONLY because he is a UFA at the end of the year and he thinks he is a 6 plus million dollar player so expect this to be his best season. He will have AMPLE chances given the team at the moment and when he balloons to a 90 point guy (joking) they move him in February and collect another 1st rounder to help add more talent to the stable. If they can move ****tenkirk and Staal and Zuccs by Feb too all the better stockpile the picks and prospects and see where the team goes from there. They need another terrible season and get a good pick and then see where they are in a year.. with last years and this years first almost ready to go... and Shestyorkin maybe ready to back up or take a good chunk of time... then maybe even more Hank (I love him) to a team that he can get his cup with and bring back more assets.
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Posted 2018-07-30 8:22 PM (#708258 - in reply to #708248)
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It's perfect. The pressure is officially on for Hayes. He has Andersson, Chytil, and Howden who all want the 2nd line center spot out of camp.... which is Hayes' spot to lose.

So at over 5 million a year, he has to preform. He needs to be hands down better than the prospects.... or he's out...

And even then his job in NY isn't safe. The one year deal will force him to preform, but doing so will also increase his trade value. The better he is, the more desirable he is, the bigger return we get.

Or they could just as easily extend his contract, which he would have to earn. So if he does that, it's a win too.

There is really no downside to this deal imo

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Posted 2018-07-30 8:48 PM (#708259 - in reply to #708258)
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robstones - 2018-07-30 10:22 PM

It's perfect. The pressure is officially on for Hayes. He has Andersson, Chytil, and Howden who all want the 2nd line center spot out of camp.... which is Hayes' spot to lose.

So at over 5 million a year, he has to preform. He needs to be hands down better than the prospects.... or he's out...

And even then his job in NY isn't safe. The one year deal will force him to preform, but doing so will also increase his trade value. The better he is, the more desirable he is, the bigger return we get.

Or they could just as easily extend his contract, which he would have to earn. So if he does that, it's a win too.

There is really no downside to this deal imo


There is some downside. If his career continues to get better, the Rangers will have to trade a potential #1 center in his prime years or risk losing him as a UFA unless they overpay to keep him. Hayes could want out no matter what and that might be another reason he is on a 1 year.
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Posted 2018-07-31 8:23 AM (#708262 - in reply to #708248)
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Gorton is getting killed out there.
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Posted 2018-07-31 9:06 AM (#708266 - in reply to #708259)
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x10003q - 2018-07-30 10:48 PM

robstones - 2018-07-30 10:22 PM

It's perfect. The pressure is officially on for Hayes. He has Andersson, Chytil, and Howden who all want the 2nd line center spot out of camp.... which is Hayes' spot to lose.

So at over 5 million a year, he has to preform. He needs to be hands down better than the prospects.... or he's out...

And even then his job in NY isn't safe. The one year deal will force him to preform, but doing so will also increase his trade value. The better he is, the more desirable he is, the bigger return we get.

Or they could just as easily extend his contract, which he would have to earn. So if he does that, it's a win too.

There is really no downside to this deal imo


There is some downside. If his career continues to get better, the Rangers will have to trade a potential #1 center in his prime years or risk losing him as a UFA unless they overpay to keep him. Hayes could want out no matter what and that might be another reason he is on a 1 year.


He doesn't want to go anywhere. Unless he's just being PC, he's said that quite a few times.

Why would they have to overpay to extend his contract? Why can't it be a fair deal?

And if they do trade a guy with potential #1 talent, then they will be getting assets back.... Trouba? Not a downside
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Posted 2018-07-31 9:10 AM (#708267 - in reply to #708262)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-31 8:23 AM

Gorton is getting killed out there.


For what? Going 1 year instead of 2? Hayes or Zib can't be here long term if you expect anything out of your kids. And if your kids flop Hayes isn't going to be enough to save this team at center. The Rangers have relied on mediocre center play for way too long.
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Posted 2018-07-31 9:17 AM (#708269 - in reply to #708248)
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Personally I see very little possibility that Hayes is here past this season (most likely gone at the trade DL). If a long term deal worth 6 mill per +/- was going to happen I think it would have happened this week. I think he gets dealt at the DL for a late 1st and a mid prospect. A little less than Nash I'd think.

Overall I have no issue with that, but I do think if this was the path Gorton should have dealt him at the draft. This way is risky if Hayes struggles or gets injured we get almost no value for him.


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Posted 2018-07-31 11:21 AM (#708275 - in reply to #708267)
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Vua - 2018-07-31 11:10 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-07-31 8:23 AM

Gorton is getting killed out there.


For what? Going 1 year instead of 2? Hayes or Zib can't be here long term if you expect anything out of your kids. And if your kids flop Hayes isn't going to be enough to save this team at center. The Rangers have relied on mediocre center play for way too long.

Yep...I dont get the hype on Hayes anyway...Big soft perimeter player that passes too too much
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Posted 2018-07-31 11:22 AM (#708276 - in reply to #708266)
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robstones - 2018-07-31 11:06 AM

x10003q - 2018-07-30 10:48 PM

robstones - 2018-07-30 10:22 PM

It's perfect. The pressure is officially on for Hayes. He has Andersson, Chytil, and Howden who all want the 2nd line center spot out of camp.... which is Hayes' spot to lose.

So at over 5 million a year, he has to preform. He needs to be hands down better than the prospects.... or he's out...

And even then his job in NY isn't safe. The one year deal will force him to preform, but doing so will also increase his trade value. The better he is, the more desirable he is, the bigger return we get.

Or they could just as easily extend his contract, which he would have to earn. So if he does that, it's a win too.

There is really no downside to this deal imo


There is some downside. If his career continues to get better, the Rangers will have to trade a potential #1 center in his prime years or risk losing him as a UFA unless they overpay to keep him. Hayes could want out no matter what and that might be another reason he is on a 1 year.


He doesn't want to go anywhere. Unless he's just being PC, he's said that quite a few times.

Why would they have to overpay to extend his contract? Why can't it be a fair deal?

And if they do trade a guy with potential #1 talent, then they will be getting assets back.... Trouba? Not a downside

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Posted 2018-07-31 11:25 AM (#708278 - in reply to #708248)
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My prediction is that the kid centers will progress, Hayes will have a good year, and Zibanejad will miss a chunk of time with injury.

In other words I think they chose the wrong center to go long term; Hayes' underlying numbers are very good.

On the bright side, they have two, maybe three teenage centers pushing two mid-20's centers. That's a nice problem to have. Let the chips fall where they may, if I'm wrong and Zbad has a great season, then we flip Hayes at the deadline. He's a nice, defensively responsible, middle-6 center on a contender who can add scoring. But that's also why I'd rather keep him.
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Posted 2018-07-31 11:30 AM (#708280 - in reply to #708278)
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My prediction is that the kid centers will progress, Hayes will have a good year, and Zibanejad will miss a chunk of time with injury.

In other words I think they chose the wrong center to go long term; Hayes' underlying numbers are very good.

On the bright side, they have two, maybe three teenage centers pushing two mid-20's centers. That's a nice problem to have. Let the chips fall where they may, if I'm wrong and Zbad has a great season, then we flip Hayes at the deadline. He's a nice, defensively responsible, middle-6 center on a contender who can add scoring. But that's also why I'd rather keep him.

Yep I dont love Hayes but I would trade Zib first...no doubt
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Posted 2018-07-31 12:18 PM (#708281 - in reply to #708280)
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My prediction is that the kid centers will progress, Hayes will have a good year, and Zibanejad will miss a chunk of time with injury.

In other words I think they chose the wrong center to go long term; Hayes' underlying numbers are very good.

On the bright side, they have two, maybe three teenage centers pushing two mid-20's centers. That's a nice problem to have. Let the chips fall where they may, if I'm wrong and Zbad has a great season, then we flip Hayes at the deadline. He's a nice, defensively responsible, middle-6 center on a contender who can add scoring. But that's also why I'd rather keep him.

Yep I dont love Hayes but I would trade Zib first...no doubt


I would have as well for injury concerns alone. When he's not recovering from injury (a few games per year anyway) Zib's the less frustrating player to watch. Every time Hayes has the puck I reach for an X-Box controller to hit the shot button. And for reference, it doesn't work. He continues to skate around for 20 more seconds.
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Posted 2018-07-31 12:58 PM (#708283 - in reply to #708266)
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robstones - 2018-07-31 11:06 AM

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robstones - 2018-07-30 10:22 PM

It's perfect. The pressure is officially on for Hayes. He has Andersson, Chytil, and Howden who all want the 2nd line center spot out of camp.... which is Hayes' spot to lose.

So at over 5 million a year, he has to preform. He needs to be hands down better than the prospects.... or he's out...

And even then his job in NY isn't safe. The one year deal will force him to preform, but doing so will also increase his trade value. The better he is, the more desirable he is, the bigger return we get.

Or they could just as easily extend his contract, which he would have to earn. So if he does that, it's a win too.

There is really no downside to this deal imo


There is some downside. If his career continues to get better, the Rangers will have to trade a potential #1 center in his prime years or risk losing him as a UFA unless they overpay to keep him. Hayes could want out no matter what and that might be another reason he is on a 1 year.


He doesn't want to go anywhere. Unless he's just being PC, he's said that quite a few times.

Why would they have to overpay to extend his contract? Why can't it be a fair deal?

And if they do trade a guy with potential #1 talent, then they will be getting assets back.... Trouba? Not a downside


We have no idea if he wants to leave or stay with the Rangers. Like 80% of professional athletes, he knows how to publicly play the game and will never torch his current team. But, if he does want to leave, the Rangers will have to overpay to keep him in order to override his desire to leave. The idea of burning 2 or 3 prime (or more) age seasons while the Rangers try to figure out how to build a team vs getting onto a playoff/cup potential team might be a reason for Hayes to want to leave.

The high asset return for Hayes is very true. It is impossible to figure out now.

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Posted 2018-07-31 1:02 PM (#708284 - in reply to #708281)
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My prediction is that the kid centers will progress, Hayes will have a good year, and Zibanejad will miss a chunk of time with injury.

In other words I think they chose the wrong center to go long term; Hayes' underlying numbers are very good.

On the bright side, they have two, maybe three teenage centers pushing two mid-20's centers. That's a nice problem to have. Let the chips fall where they may, if I'm wrong and Zbad has a great season, then we flip Hayes at the deadline. He's a nice, defensively responsible, middle-6 center on a contender who can add scoring. But that's also why I'd rather keep him.

Yep I dont love Hayes but I would trade Zib first...no doubt


I would have as well for injury concerns alone. When he's not recovering from injury (a few games per year anyway) Zib's the less frustrating player to watch. Every time Hayes has the puck I reach for an X-Box controller to hit the shot button. And for reference, it doesn't work. He continues to skate around for 20 more seconds.

hahahaha totally...between him and Zuc with the passing....I want to reach for the Makers Mark
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Posted 2018-07-31 4:58 PM (#708289 - in reply to #708278)
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My prediction is that the kid centers will progress, Hayes will have a good year, and Zibanejad will miss a chunk of time with injury.

In other words I think they chose the wrong center to go long term; Hayes' underlying numbers are very good.

On the bright side, they have two, maybe three teenage centers pushing two mid-20's centers. That's a nice problem to have. Let the chips fall where they may, if I'm wrong and Zbad has a great season, then we flip Hayes at the deadline. He's a nice, defensively responsible, middle-6 center on a contender who can add scoring. But that's also why I'd rather keep him.




I’m inclined to think this year will give a definitive answer who the Rangers like between Zibanejad and Hayes. Like you I lean to Hayes but would like to see more of him in a expanded role. I don’t know what he was asking for in a long term contract, but if the Rangers decide they are keeping him it’s going to be more than it would have been now, because he will obviously have had a very good upcoming season. I think he’s willing to get more involved physically and playing in the tough areas with the right push. Zibanejad concussions and perimeter play worry me.
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Posted 2018-07-31 6:23 PM (#708293 - in reply to #708248)
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Something tells me Hayes thinks he is John Tavares next year......Hayes prob wanted the 1 year deal
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Posted 2018-07-31 6:42 PM (#708296 - in reply to #708283)
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x10003q - 2018-07-31 2:58 PM

robstones - 2018-07-31 11:06 AM

x10003q - 2018-07-30 10:48 PM

robstones - 2018-07-30 10:22 PM

It's perfect. The pressure is officially on for Hayes. He has Andersson, Chytil, and Howden who all want the 2nd line center spot out of camp.... which is Hayes' spot to lose.

So at over 5 million a year, he has to preform. He needs to be hands down better than the prospects.... or he's out...

And even then his job in NY isn't safe. The one year deal will force him to preform, but doing so will also increase his trade value. The better he is, the more desirable he is, the bigger return we get.

Or they could just as easily extend his contract, which he would have to earn. So if he does that, it's a win too.

There is really no downside to this deal imo


There is some downside. If his career continues to get better, the Rangers will have to trade a potential #1 center in his prime years or risk losing him as a UFA unless they overpay to keep him. Hayes could want out no matter what and that might be another reason he is on a 1 year.


He doesn't want to go anywhere. Unless he's just being PC, he's said that quite a few times.

Why would they have to overpay to extend his contract? Why can't it be a fair deal?

And if they do trade a guy with potential #1 talent, then they will be getting assets back.... Trouba? Not a downside


We have no idea if he wants to leave or stay with the Rangers. Like 80% of professional athletes, he knows how to publicly play the game and will never torch his current team. But, if he does want to leave, the Rangers will have to overpay to keep him in order to override his desire to leave. The idea of burning 2 or 3 prime (or more) age seasons while the Rangers try to figure out how to build a team vs getting onto a playoff/cup potential team might be a reason for Hayes to want to leave.

The high asset return for Hayes is very true. It is impossible to figure out now.



He tweeted this scene from Wolf of Wallstreet on draft day with speculation circulating that he may be part of a package to move up.



I know it's the PC thing to say how much you like The City and "most of all, the fans," but I don't think he'd post that if he had any actual desire to leave.

If he did, or was unhappy with this deal.... why would he sign? Why wouldn't he play hardball and/or go to arbitration? Because the $5.175 for the one year was just too good to turn down?

He wants to be here. He has to do what he has to do to earn his next contract. He needs to bring his game to the next level. He put up a career high 25 goals last year, but he had a career low as far as assists go with 19. The year prior he had 32 helpers.

If he can be in more the mid 50-60 point range this year, he can stay. They'll have no problem giving him 6+ for 6 years or whatever.

If he just stays par, he'll be traded to the highest bidder.
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Posted 2018-07-31 6:46 PM (#708297 - in reply to #708248)
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hahahaha then the contract he signed tells me he was Kevin Haze when he tweeted it
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Posted 2018-08-01 4:59 AM (#708301 - in reply to #708248)
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If he doesn't take as many games off that he does, he is worth this money. If he does take as many games off as he does, trade him.
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Posted 2018-08-01 8:30 AM (#708303 - in reply to #708248)
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https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/7/31/17633998/new-york-rangers-...

I personally don't think a deadline deal is as definitive at this point as this article implies. I do agree that Hayes is an underrated producer for the team and I would have chosen his versatility over Zbad's raw talent.

Neither contract, Hayes' or Zibanejad's, is untradeable. If, during the course of the season, Hayes shows that he's the one that should stick around long term, they'll move Zibanejad and extend Hayes. There's nothing realistically preventing this, Zbad's contract is still very tradeable and as long as Hayes is amenable he can re-sign.

Hayes probably wanted a no trade clause of some form, and Gorton probably didn’t want to commit to that.

It makes no sense, relationship wise, to sign Hayes to a long-term deal and move him right away. It breaks down trust with other agents, and other players, who would demand clauses to their contracts and point to Hayes as an example. I know some of you will think it’s not a big deal, but bad business is bad business, and it’s the right move to avoid that trail.



I do get the writers' point about burning bridges with agents, and losing out on that trust with future signings, but as it relates to Zibanejad, the truth is that no player and no agent in the NHL expects to have full control over their destination until they reach UFA. I think that point is blown out of proportion - it's just business and players know that choosing your destination is a luxury, not a right.

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Posted 2018-08-01 10:23 AM (#708307 - in reply to #708248)
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I think Hayes is 100% gone, but we'll see. Anything can happen, but if they were going to sign him long term for the money he wanted they would have done it now when they could maybe have gotten a lesser year as a RFA in the deal. Not sure what would happen this year that would make them say okay now we'll give you 6 mill (or more a season). If he blows up sure I could see them saying we f'd up and cannot afford to lose this guy, but that seems like a long shot to me. I think the %'s are high he is dealt during the season/at the trade DL for a late 1st package (similar to Nash).



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Posted 2018-08-01 11:13 AM (#708312 - in reply to #708248)
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Hayes is definitley NOT all that....He is a 3rd line center on a good team
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Posted 2018-08-01 12:12 PM (#708316 - in reply to #708269)
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Personally I see very little possibility that Hayes is here past this season (most likely gone at the trade DL). If a long term deal worth 6 mill per +/- was going to happen I think it would have happened this week. I think he gets dealt at the DL for a late 1st and a mid prospect. A little less than Nash I'd think.

Overall I have no issue with that, but I do think if this was the path Gorton should have dealt him at the draft. This way is risky if Hayes struggles or gets injured we get almost no value for him.


Hayes is not bringing a first rounder.
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Posted 2018-08-01 12:42 PM (#708318 - in reply to #708248)
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Definitely not....better off packaging him in a trade
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Posted 2018-08-01 2:13 PM (#708319 - in reply to #708316)
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Go NYR - 2018-07-31 11:17 AM

Personally I see very little possibility that Hayes is here past this season (most likely gone at the trade DL). If a long term deal worth 6 mill per +/- was going to happen I think it would have happened this week. I think he gets dealt at the DL for a late 1st and a mid prospect. A little less than Nash I'd think.

Overall I have no issue with that, but I do think if this was the path Gorton should have dealt him at the draft. This way is risky if Hayes struggles or gets injured we get almost no value for him.


Hayes is not bringing a first rounder.


I have no idea why you undervalue players so much just because they're Rangers. Is it because you have to watch them for 82 games a year and you see all their warts? Other players and other teams have warts too!

Stastny last year was a pending UFA, had 12g 40 pts at the deadline, 32 years old and he returned a prospect, a first, and a conditional fourth. If Hayes matches last year's numbers he'll have much better offensive numbers, bigger, younger, better in every way than 2018 Paul Stastny. But definitively, Hayes is "not bringing a first rounder."

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Posted 2018-08-01 3:03 PM (#708320 - in reply to #708319)
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I don't "value" anyone ... I speak from what I see ... as i stated in another thread, I happen to be one of the few who likes the guy (even have his jersey). I don't see a third-line center bringing a first round pick.

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Posted 2018-08-01 3:20 PM (#708321 - in reply to #708320)
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Mjolnir - 2018-08-01 3:03 PM

I don't "value" anyone ... I speak from what I see ... as i stated in another thread, I happen to be one of the few who likes the guy (even have his jersey). I don't see a third-line center bringing a first round pick.


Projected lineup has him listed as the fourth line center.......so............
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Posted 2018-08-01 5:10 PM (#708322 - in reply to #708248)
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I believe Hayes will bring a 1st rounder at the trade DL assuming he is healthy and having a solid year. If he is struggling all year then he won't, I agree with that.





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Posted 2018-08-01 8:13 PM (#708325 - in reply to #708248)
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Until a market is established next spring you never really know. Will teams be allowed to talk to his agent to try to get a contract in place before trading? Is he open to signing a contract? Is he determined to go to free agency? A lot of balls in the air to predict his value. Although If he has his best year and there is a couple three teams in the market and he could be worth more than a bottom third first rounder.
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Posted 2018-08-02 4:32 AM (#708327 - in reply to #708248)
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I don't know, handfuls of rental players are dealt each trade DL. A C who can score 20 goals and 45 points +/- (with upside for more), assuming he is having a solid year as a I said, is worth a late 1st in the rental markets we have seen the past handful of trade DL's.


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Posted 2018-08-02 6:44 AM (#708328 - in reply to #708327)
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If you are trading Hayes who is 26....You have to get more back than the 28th pick.
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Posted 2018-08-02 7:44 AM (#708331 - in reply to #708248)
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The number of teams looking for a player like Hayes at the deadline, and his willingness to negotiate a contract pre trade will have a huge influence on his value. He's a gimme low round first minimum and that could climb if he rattles off a career year and beyond this year. If he does the Rangers will be in a interesting quandary. There is no way to tell how this plays out til it does. Zibanejad's play will ultimately factor in also. It will be one of those two gone at the deadline, thats all thats certain. .
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Posted 2018-08-02 7:47 AM (#708332 - in reply to #708248)
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Yep...one of those 2 and Zuc ...trade them
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Posted 2018-08-02 10:49 AM (#708336 - in reply to #708331)
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The number of teams looking for a player like Hayes at the deadline, and his willingness to negotiate a contract pre trade will have a huge influence on his value. He's a gimme low round first minimum and that could climb if he rattles off a career year and beyond this year. If he does the Rangers will be in a interesting quandary. There is no way to tell how this plays out til it does. Zibanejad's play will ultimately factor in also. It will be one of those two gone at the deadline, thats all thats certain. .

Another factor that will come into play -- how well Chytil and Andersson are gonna play. If they're rocking, it's easier for the Rangers to part ways with Hayes because they're set in the middle.

If their play is underwhelming OTOH...
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Posted 2018-08-02 11:01 AM (#708337 - in reply to #708336)
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Rranger - 2018-08-02 3:44 PM

The number of teams looking for a player like Hayes at the deadline, and his willingness to negotiate a contract pre trade will have a huge influence on his value. He's a gimme low round first minimum and that could climb if he rattles off a career year and beyond this year. If he does the Rangers will be in a interesting quandary. There is no way to tell how this plays out til it does. Zibanejad's play will ultimately factor in also. It will be one of those two gone at the deadline, thats all thats certain. .

Another factor that will come into play -- how well Chytil and Andersson are gonna play. If they're rocking, it's easier for the Rangers to part ways with Hayes because they're set in the middle.

If their play is underwhelming OTOH...


Well then you're screwed because at that point, you extend Hayes for 5 or 6 years? Then you have Zbad and Hayes locked up long term, whereas realistically, the kids had an an off year or a learning year, and you'd expect them to figure it out well before the Zbad/Hayes contracts are up.

If the kids can't hack it this year and they need to plan for next year, I bet they'd still trade Hayes and figure out some interim solution for a year or two. Get some aging vet who will take a two year deal and bridge until the kids are more ready.

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Posted 2018-08-02 11:37 AM (#708338 - in reply to #708337)
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DaTeL - 2018-08-02 11:49 AM

Rranger - 2018-08-02 3:44 PM

The number of teams looking for a player like Hayes at the deadline, and his willingness to negotiate a contract pre trade will have a huge influence on his value. He's a gimme low round first minimum and that could climb if he rattles off a career year and beyond this year. If he does the Rangers will be in a interesting quandary. There is no way to tell how this plays out til it does. Zibanejad's play will ultimately factor in also. It will be one of those two gone at the deadline, thats all thats certain. .

Another factor that will come into play -- how well Chytil and Andersson are gonna play. If they're rocking, it's easier for the Rangers to part ways with Hayes because they're set in the middle.

If their play is underwhelming OTOH...


Well then you're screwed because at that point, you extend Hayes for 5 or 6 years? Then you have Zbad and Hayes locked up long term, whereas realistically, the kids had an an off year or a learning year, and you'd expect them to figure it out well before the Zbad/Hayes contracts are up.

If the kids can't hack it this year and they need to plan for next year, I bet they'd still trade Hayes and figure out some interim solution for a year or two. Get some aging vet who will take a two year deal and bridge until the kids are more ready.




I don’t see any way the Rangers go into the 2019- 2020 season with both Zibanejad and Hayes. And it’s probably going to be Hayes gone. Because if he has the type of year that the Rangers want to sign him he’s going to cost more than Zibanejad, so he also has to play well enough to justify moving Zibanejad, and what will be Zibanejad lessor contract.
I think there is a leap left in Hayes game if Quinn can find his switch to get him to use his physical advantage in more areas of the ice, the guy could be a monster if he played with some attitude and some anger.
Hayes reminds me so much of junior hockey players with a boatload of talent that just can’t get the mental part of the game in place. Hayes is like that he can survive in this league as is but he has the raw talent and tools to be so much more. I would not be at all suprised to see Zibanejad become the trade guy if Hayes plays to his full talent and a contract can be hammered out.
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Posted 2018-08-02 12:55 PM (#708339 - in reply to #708337)
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concust - 2018-08-02 7:01 PM

DaTeL - 2018-08-02 11:49 AM

Rranger - 2018-08-02 3:44 PM

The number of teams looking for a player like Hayes at the deadline, and his willingness to negotiate a contract pre trade will have a huge influence on his value. He's a gimme low round first minimum and that could climb if he rattles off a career year and beyond this year. If he does the Rangers will be in a interesting quandary. There is no way to tell how this plays out til it does. Zibanejad's play will ultimately factor in also. It will be one of those two gone at the deadline, thats all thats certain. .

Another factor that will come into play -- how well Chytil and Andersson are gonna play. If they're rocking, it's easier for the Rangers to part ways with Hayes because they're set in the middle.

If their play is underwhelming OTOH...


Well then you're screwed because at that point, you extend Hayes for 5 or 6 years? Then you have Zbad and Hayes locked up long term, whereas realistically, the kids had an an off year or a learning year, and you'd expect them to figure it out well before the Zbad/Hayes contracts are up.

If the kids can't hack it this year and they need to plan for next year, I bet they'd still trade Hayes and figure out some interim solution for a year or two. Get some aging vet who will take a two year deal and bridge until the kids are more ready.


I said it will come into play, not that it will determine the outcome as the sole factor.
The kids will get time to prove themselves. But they need to show good enough progress.

Plus, you still have Name and Spooner as temps if it comes to that.
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Posted 2018-08-02 2:41 PM (#708342 - in reply to #708248)
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Kids need to show good enough progress? really?
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Posted 2018-08-03 10:10 AM (#708368 - in reply to #708342)
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Kids need to show good enough progress? really?

Got anything valuable to add?
It doesn't make you look smart when you take a comment out of the conversation context and point at the author as Captain Obvious.

Only shows everybody that you can't follow conversation longer than one sentence. Or that you're stupid.
Shall we put it to a vote which one it is?

[Hint: there's a secret option c. It's both]
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Posted 2018-08-03 10:24 AM (#708369 - in reply to #708368)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 10:41 PM

Kids need to show good enough progress? really?

Got anything valuable to add?
It doesn't make you look smart when you take a comment out of the conversation context and point at the author as Captain Obvious.

Only shows everybody that you can't follow conversation longer than one sentence. Or that you're stupid.
Shall we put it to a vote which one it is?

[Hint: there's a secret option c. It's both]

Real groundbreaking analysis ...I can follow the conversation for at least 2 sentences
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Posted 2018-08-03 10:25 AM (#708370 - in reply to #708248)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K2teeclbR4
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Posted 2018-08-03 10:54 AM (#708371 - in reply to #708338)
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Rranger - 2018-08-02 12:37 PM

concust - 2018-08-02 10:01 AM

DaTeL - 2018-08-02 11:49 AM

Rranger - 2018-08-02 3:44 PM

The number of teams looking for a player like Hayes at the deadline, and his willingness to negotiate a contract pre trade will have a huge influence on his value. He's a gimme low round first minimum and that could climb if he rattles off a career year and beyond this year. If he does the Rangers will be in a interesting quandary. There is no way to tell how this plays out til it does. Zibanejad's play will ultimately factor in also. It will be one of those two gone at the deadline, thats all thats certain. .

Another factor that will come into play -- how well Chytil and Andersson are gonna play. If they're rocking, it's easier for the Rangers to part ways with Hayes because they're set in the middle.

If their play is underwhelming OTOH...


Well then you're screwed because at that point, you extend Hayes for 5 or 6 years? Then you have Zbad and Hayes locked up long term, whereas realistically, the kids had an an off year or a learning year, and you'd expect them to figure it out well before the Zbad/Hayes contracts are up.

If the kids can't hack it this year and they need to plan for next year, I bet they'd still trade Hayes and figure out some interim solution for a year or two. Get some aging vet who will take a two year deal and bridge until the kids are more ready.




I don’t see any way the Rangers go into the 2019- 2020 season with both Zibanejad and Hayes. And it’s probably going to be Hayes gone. Because if he has the type of year that the Rangers want to sign him he’s going to cost more than Zibanejad, so he also has to play well enough to justify moving Zibanejad, and what will be Zibanejad lessor contract.
I think there is a leap left in Hayes game if Quinn can find his switch to get him to use his physical advantage in more areas of the ice, the guy could be a monster if he played with some attitude and some anger.
Hayes reminds me so much of junior hockey players with a boatload of talent that just can’t get the mental part of the game in place. Hayes is like that he can survive in this league as is but he has the raw talent and tools to be so much more. I would not be at all suprised to see Zibanejad become the trade guy if Hayes plays to his full talent and a contract can be hammered out.


I also don't see them entering 2019-20 with both, because that means they'd both be locked up long term and that doesn't make sense.

I think the danger of expectations with Kevin Hayes is the same as Kreider has been fighting for years. People see the size and ability and they think "boy he could just be a monster" and that's true to a certain extent, if both could maximize their abilities they could be elite level players but that's not realistically going to happen.

IMO Kevin Hayes is already a very good two way center who scored 25 goals last year and was a little shy of 50 points. I dont' think Kevin Hayes is ever going to be an elite center, if he gets put in a more offensive role he has another year or two of upside left, but I think that means we can expect 25g and 55 points out of him, while being pretty responsible defensively, and with some fans still thinking he takes a night off here and there. Truth is he doesn't have elite level talent, and Rangers fans have been pining for an elite center basically since Messier, and until we draft one we're not going to have one. Hopefully one of the three kids we drafted in the past two years can get there.
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Posted 2018-08-04 8:04 AM (#708410 - in reply to #708336)
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Rranger - 2018-08-02 3:44 PM

The number of teams looking for a player like Hayes at the deadline, and his willingness to negotiate a contract pre trade will have a huge influence on his value. He's a gimme low round first minimum and that could climb if he rattles off a career year and beyond this year. If he does the Rangers will be in a interesting quandary. There is no way to tell how this plays out til it does. Zibanejad's play will ultimately factor in also. It will be one of those two gone at the deadline, thats all thats certain. .

Another factor that will come into play -- how well Chytil and Andersson are gonna play. If they're rocking, it's easier for the Rangers to part ways with Hayes because they're set in the middle.

If their play is underwhelming OTOH...




Well their pretty much set up to dump him so I'm assuming they expect Chytil and Andersson to be ready and producing by years end. Andersson was drafted last season ahead of higher rated prospects because he was supposed to be more NHl ready, better late than never. I think the goose is cooked with Hayes, the Rangers have created a environment for him this year to have his best season yet, although under the pressure of playing for a contract, but he's been around enough to play through that. If he has his career year up to date he will go to through free agency and he's gone, because he will get paid..
If Chytil and/or Andersson neither of whom are locks to even be on the team, are underwhelming this season, I'd say Gorton has a mess on his hands.
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Posted 2018-08-04 8:09 AM (#708411 - in reply to #708371)
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Rranger - 2018-08-02 12:37 PM

concust - 2018-08-02 10:01 AM

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Rranger - 2018-08-02 3:44 PM

The number of teams looking for a player like Hayes at the deadline, and his willingness to negotiate a contract pre trade will have a huge influence on his value. He's a gimme low round first minimum and that could climb if he rattles off a career year and beyond this year. If he does the Rangers will be in a interesting quandary. There is no way to tell how this plays out til it does. Zibanejad's play will ultimately factor in also. It will be one of those two gone at the deadline, thats all thats certain. .

Another factor that will come into play -- how well Chytil and Andersson are gonna play. If they're rocking, it's easier for the Rangers to part ways with Hayes because they're set in the middle.

If their play is underwhelming OTOH...


Well then you're screwed because at that point, you extend Hayes for 5 or 6 years? Then you have Zbad and Hayes locked up long term, whereas realistically, the kids had an an off year or a learning year, and you'd expect them to figure it out well before the Zbad/Hayes contracts are up.

If the kids can't hack it this year and they need to plan for next year, I bet they'd still trade Hayes and figure out some interim solution for a year or two. Get some aging vet who will take a two year deal and bridge until the kids are more ready.




I don’t see any way the Rangers go into the 2019- 2020 season with both Zibanejad and Hayes. And it’s probably going to be Hayes gone. Because if he has the type of year that the Rangers want to sign him he’s going to cost more than Zibanejad, so he also has to play well enough to justify moving Zibanejad, and what will be Zibanejad lessor contract.
I think there is a leap left in Hayes game if Quinn can find his switch to get him to use his physical advantage in more areas of the ice, the guy could be a monster if he played with some attitude and some anger.
Hayes reminds me so much of junior hockey players with a boatload of talent that just can’t get the mental part of the game in place. Hayes is like that he can survive in this league as is but he has the raw talent and tools to be so much more. I would not be at all suprised to see Zibanejad become the trade guy if Hayes plays to his full talent and a contract can be hammered out.


I also don't see them entering 2019-20 with both, because that means they'd both be locked up long term and that doesn't make sense.

I think the danger of expectations with Kevin Hayes is the same as Kreider has been fighting for years. People see the size and ability and they think "boy he could just be a monster" and that's true to a certain extent, if both could maximize their abilities they could be elite level players but that's not realistically going to happen.

IMO Kevin Hayes is already a very good two way center who scored 25 goals last year and was a little shy of 50 points. I dont' think Kevin Hayes is ever going to be an elite center, if he gets put in a more offensive role he has another year or two of upside left, but I think that means we can expect 25g and 55 points out of him, while being pretty responsible defensively, and with some fans still thinking he takes a night off here and there. Truth is he doesn't have elite level talent, and Rangers fans have been pining for an elite center basically since Messier, and until we draft one we're not going to have one. Hopefully one of the three kids we drafted in the past two years can get there.



Elite unlikely but able to play against and hold his own against elite centers likely, he's almost there now. Play with more passion and commitment to driving through the hard areas and he'd be better. Coaches channeling his energies in the right direction can still make him better.
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Posted 2018-08-04 9:24 AM (#708413 - in reply to #708248)
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The site has gremlins again....R not a doubt in my mind that Gorton took Lias and Chytil to slot into the lineup to replace Stepan and Lindbergh at the very start of last season
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Posted 2018-08-04 10:11 AM (#708414 - in reply to #708371)
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I also don't see them entering 2019-20 with both, because that means they'd both be locked up long term and that doesn't make sense.
I agree -- it will be one or the other.....however, while Hayes is the obvious choice, all will depend on Zib...we know he cani produce numbers, but the question is whether he can stay healthy....

I think the danger of expectations with Kevin Hayes is the same as Kreider has been fighting for years. People see the size and ability and they think "boy he could just be a monster" and that's true to a certain extent, if both could maximize their abilities they could be elite level players but that's not realistically going to happen.
I don't believe Hayes' "expectations" were ever as much as Kreider's, even with his size. I recall people actually comparing Hayes to JJ due to his strength and his ability to hold on to the puck. That puck holding ability became a big asset when he played with Hagelin, Miller and Grabner...he was able to hold the puck for the extra second needed for them to spring free.

IMO Kevin Hayes is already a very good two way center who scored 25 goals last year and was a little shy of 50 points. I dont' think Kevin Hayes is ever going to be an elite center, if he gets put in a more offensive role he has another year or two of upside left, but I think that means we can expect 25g and 55 points out of him, while being pretty responsible defensively, and with some fans still thinking he takes a night off here and there. Truth is he doesn't have elite level talent, and Rangers fans have been pining for an elite center basically since Messier, and until we draft one we're not going to have one. Hopefully one of the three kids we drafted in the past two years can get there.
This is the reason Hayes will be traded. If they trade Zib instead of him, they will be forced push one of the kids into the 1C spot or make a trade. Hayes is not 1C material.
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Posted 2018-08-04 10:44 AM (#708416 - in reply to #708248)
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Hayes has never broken 50 points yet....giving him a 6 x 6 NTC contract would be a disaster....I would like to trade Hayes , Zuc and Zib...to free up cap space for next years UFA class which is a 10 bell class
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-04 10:44 AM

Hayes has never broken 50 points yet....giving him a 6 x 6 NTC contract would be a disaster....I would like to trade Hayes , Zuc and Zib...to free up cap space for next years UFA class which is a 10 bell class


You feel so strongly about it, that you posted it twice!!

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Posted 2018-08-04 11:08 AM (#708418 - in reply to #708417)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-04 10:44 AM

Hayes has never broken 50 points yet....giving him a 6 x 6 NTC contract would be a disaster....I would like to trade Hayes , Zuc and Zib...to free up cap space for next years UFA class which is a 10 bell class


You feel so strongly about it, that you posted it twice!!


lol yep...I had to add something....Its a way to make a new post without "editing" it...just press the back button and re write...then delete the first one....Hows everything going bro? Yanks Sox this weekend ugly so far
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Posted 2018-08-04 11:14 AM (#708420 - in reply to #708248)
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Posted 2018-08-04 11:18 AM (#708421 - in reply to #708248)
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Red Sox so far the ones dancing in the locker room to "Rock me tonight"
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Posted 2018-08-04 11:19 AM (#708422 - in reply to #708248)
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RJ you better be lying about Quinn banning that song in the locker room!!!!!!
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He'll allow the song, but NO video!!
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He'll allow the song, but NO video!!

hahahahahaaha I want the video included!
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Video is banned!!
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Posted 2018-08-05 3:40 PM (#708492 - in reply to #708481)
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Video is banned!!

hahahahahah thats such BS
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