Projected Line-up per Brooks
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https://nypost.com/2018/07/31/rangers-gm-completes-internal-housecle...

Chris Kreider-Mika Zibanejad-Pavel Buchnevich
Ryan Spooner-Filip Chytil-Mats Zuccarello
Vladislav Namestnikov-Lias Andersson-Ville Meskanen
Jimmy Vesey-Kevin Hayes-Jesper Fast

Extra: Cody McLeod

Brady Skjei-Kevin Shattenkirk
Marc Staal-Neal Pionk
Brendan Smith-Tony DeAngelo

Extra: Fredrik Claesson

Henrik Lundqvist
Alexandar Georgeiv

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-08-01 11:11 AM (#708310 - in reply to #708308)
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So Howden doesnt make the team per Brooks?...and Hayes will not be the 4th line center....What if Hijak is better than Pionk or TD?
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Posted 2018-08-01 11:11 AM (#708311 - in reply to #708308)
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They just gave $5+ million to Hayes and are playing him on the 4th line? They can't do that whether the want to keep him or trade him, you destroy his value. He may get moved to wing to make room for a younger center but he won't be dropped in the lineup.
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Posted 2018-08-01 11:17 AM (#708313 - in reply to #708308)
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Beleskey will be in the lineup also most likely
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Posted 2018-08-01 11:41 AM (#708314 - in reply to #708308)
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I read the lines as not in order...but what do I know. Sure have a lot of centers though, including Namestnikov and Spooner who both can play there
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Vua - 2018-08-01 1:11 PM

They just gave $5+ million to Hayes and are playing him on the 4th line? They can't do that whether the want to keep him or trade him, you destroy his value. He may get moved to wing to make room for a younger center but he won't be dropped in the lineup.
I love Hayes...but he just doesn't cut it as a wing....he'd be better served sitting in the press box.

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Posted 2018-08-01 5:38 PM (#708323 - in reply to #708308)
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robstones - 2018-07-01 5:00 PM

Kreider Zibanejad Zuccarello
Namestnikov Chytil Buchnevich
Spooner Andersson Meskanen
Vesey Hayes Fast

Skjei Shattenkirk
Staal Pionk
Claesson DeAngelo

Lundqvist
Georgiev

pending surprises in camp or further trades or signings.


Was my last prediction a month ago from the Summer thread
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Posted 2018-08-01 6:25 PM (#708324 - in reply to #708308)
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Makes sense. The roster that is, not the lines.

Not surprised if Gilmour doesn’t make it.

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Posted 2018-08-02 2:52 AM (#708326 - in reply to #708308)
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DeAngelo sucks and has ZERO chance of making this team IMO. I expect either Lindgren or Hajek to make it. Unless clueless AV, I don't think our new coach is going to give a crap about the righty/lefty thing.
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Posted 2018-08-02 6:47 AM (#708330 - in reply to #708326)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2018-08-02 4:52 AM

DeAngelo sucks and has ZERO chance of making this team IMO. I expect either Lindgren or Hajek to make it. Unless clueless AV, I don't think our new coach is going to give a crap about the righty/lefty thing.

That trade gets worse everyday... I would love to see Hijak and Lindgren make it
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Posted 2018-08-02 9:14 AM (#708333 - in reply to #708330)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 5:47 AM

itsmcilrathtime - 2018-08-02 4:52 AM

DeAngelo sucks and has ZERO chance of making this team IMO. I expect either Lindgren or Hajek to make it. Unless clueless AV, I don't think our new coach is going to give a crap about the righty/lefty thing.

That trade gets worse everyday... I would love to see Hijak and Lindgren make it






Like it or not DeAngelo probably starts the season in NY unless he has a terrible camp. But it will be his big audition and if he doesn’t cut it with Quinn he would likely be traded soon after. To summarize his performance so far I don’t think anyone really knows what he’s all about. You lean towards not very effective, but that’s based on boy wonders coaching and deployment, which wasn’t overly effective with most Ranger players last season. That being said you have to find a way to put your best foot forward no matter what the excuse, and reality is more than a few Ranger players didn’t last season.
If Quinn is a effective NHL coach then DeAngelo and many other player question marks will be answered. You want players putting their best foot forward no matter what the excuse. Its also very very hard to evaluate players who are lost in the abyss of no direction. Quinn needs to create a system and environment that players can play to their best potential, and if their not good enough at least you know.

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Posted 2018-08-02 10:41 AM (#708334 - in reply to #708308)
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I think too much is being ascribed to Vigneault. DeAngelo has already played under two NHL coaches, and was part of a third organization that used him as a trade chip to get a 2nd round pick from Arizona in 2016...that suggests Tampa didn't think very highly of him, having had him for two years as a 19th overall draft pick. Interesting fact, the 2nd round pick they acquired turned into Libor Hajek.

Anyway, DeAngelo is probably a C+ type prospect at the moment, meaning that he's likely not going to make it as an NHLer, but still has a chance to get things right. For me it just seems he doesn't have the patience or aptitude for the defensive side of the game. He's shown some decent offensive instincts, but he's not good enough at that to overcome his shortfalls on the other end. I don't expect he's going to miraculously figure that out
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Posted 2018-08-02 2:24 PM (#708341 - in reply to #708308)
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I don't think DeAngelo is in that 6th spot because of anything but the depth chart.

I'd like to see Hajek and Lindgren make the team, too.... but untill they prove themselves in camp, DeAngelo's name is there. Could've put Smith in, but he was god aweful last year.... he could definitely bring his game back up to a good level, though. That would be huge for the defense, if Smith returns to the level of play they signed him at.

Meskanen had a good prospect camp, so his name is penciled in on the wing. Otherwise it's who earns it.... Meskanen looks good so far, though.... Howden could easily prove to be better, though.... Ronning... who knows?
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Posted 2018-08-02 2:55 PM (#708344 - in reply to #708308)
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There is some tape out there with Lindgren trying to hit people but missing....So I think he will prob need a year in Hartford....Hijak might be ready now....If Meskanen makes it then prob Lias doesnt ...If Beleskey is in shape and ready to play he will be on the team too
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Posted 2018-08-02 3:01 PM (#708345 - in reply to #708308)
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Hayes
Zuc
Albert
Vesey

That leaves 3 spots for Beleskey, McCleod maybe Chytil, Lias, Meskanen, Ronning
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Posted 2018-08-02 7:17 PM (#708346 - in reply to #708308)
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Belesky has 8 pts in the last two seasons..... all of which were in the 2016-2017 season.... he's not making the team.

McCleod will. But he will be the healthy scratch most nights. Chytil and Lias aren't sure shots, but they have a better chance than Belesky. Not just because of talent, but the idea of rebuilding is to get your top prospects experience....

So, I hate to break it to ya, Mike.... Lias is a New York Ranger.

Howden has a better chance than Belesky
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Posted 2018-08-02 7:41 PM (#708350 - in reply to #708308)
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Haha I hope he is....What if Howden is better than Lias? I think Howden is better than Lias right now...6'2' 200 lb is good size too...Beleskey absolutely will be on this team before McCleod...Beleskey can play hockey....McCleod cannot
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Posted 2018-08-03 7:33 AM (#708356 - in reply to #708350)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............
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Posted 2018-08-03 8:03 AM (#708359 - in reply to #708356)
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Mandar - 2018-08-03 9:33 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............

Cuz Lias should have been a 3rd rounder....Middlestat, Tippet or Vilardi could have and should have been taken.....Im losing faith in the FO...Gordie has to be sent away and Gorton needs to be in full control of the draft...A goalie in Rd 2? Too many Euros
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Posted 2018-08-03 8:18 AM (#708360 - in reply to #708359)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-03 10:03 AM

Mandar - 2018-08-03 9:33 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............

Cuz Lias should have been a 3rd rounder....Middlestat, Tippet or Vilardi could have and should have been taken.....Im losing faith in the FO...Gordie has to be sent away and Gorton needs to be in full control of the draft...A goalie in Rd 2? Too many Euros


Such astute analysis as to why you think Howden is better than Lias. You never fail to live down to expectations.

Stupid is as stupid does....way to go Forrest!
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Posted 2018-08-03 8:50 AM (#708362 - in reply to #708360)
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Mandar - 2018-08-03 10:18 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-03 10:03 AM

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Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............

Cuz Lias should have been a 3rd rounder....Middlestat, Tippet or Vilardi could have and should have been taken.....Im losing faith in the FO...Gordie has to be sent away and Gorton needs to be in full control of the draft...A goalie in Rd 2? Too many Euros


Such astute analysis as to why you think Howden is better than Lias. You never fail to live down to expectations.

Stupid is as stupid does....way to go Forrest!

Thanks...
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Posted 2018-08-03 9:15 AM (#708363 - in reply to #708334)
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Fish - 2018-08-02 12:41 PM

I think too much is being ascribed to Vigneault. DeAngelo has already played under two NHL coaches, and was part of a third organization that used him as a trade chip to get a 2nd round pick from Arizona in 2016...that suggests Tampa didn't think very highly of him, having had him for two years as a 19th overall draft pick. Interesting fact, the 2nd round pick they acquired turned into Libor Hajek.

Anyway, DeAngelo is probably a C+ type prospect at the moment, meaning that he's likely not going to make it as an NHLer, but still has a chance to get things right. For me it just seems he doesn't have the patience or aptitude for the defensive side of the game. He's shown some decent offensive instincts, but he's not good enough at that to overcome his shortfalls on the other end. I don't expect he's going to miraculously figure that out


Agreed on Vigneault. I don't expect any of the players to come out of their AV shell and perform any better than we've already seen.

As for Tony D, I'd like to see him used on the wing. At least in preseason.

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Posted 2018-08-03 9:32 AM (#708364 - in reply to #708363)
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Steady Eddie - 2018-08-03 11:15 AM

Fish - 2018-08-02 12:41 PM

I think too much is being ascribed to Vigneault. DeAngelo has already played under two NHL coaches, and was part of a third organization that used him as a trade chip to get a 2nd round pick from Arizona in 2016...that suggests Tampa didn't think very highly of him, having had him for two years as a 19th overall draft pick. Interesting fact, the 2nd round pick they acquired turned into Libor Hajek.

Anyway, DeAngelo is probably a C+ type prospect at the moment, meaning that he's likely not going to make it as an NHLer, but still has a chance to get things right. For me it just seems he doesn't have the patience or aptitude for the defensive side of the game. He's shown some decent offensive instincts, but he's not good enough at that to overcome his shortfalls on the other end. I don't expect he's going to miraculously figure that out


Agreed on Vigneault. I don't expect any of the players to come out of their AV shell and perform any better than we've already seen.

As for Tony D, I'd like to see him used on the wing. At least in preseason.


Definitely...his offensive gifts are too good
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Steady Eddie - 2018-08-03 5:15 PM

Fish - 2018-08-02 12:41 PM

I think too much is being ascribed to Vigneault. DeAngelo has already played under two NHL coaches, and was part of a third organization that used him as a trade chip to get a 2nd round pick from Arizona in 2016...that suggests Tampa didn't think very highly of him, having had him for two years as a 19th overall draft pick. Interesting fact, the 2nd round pick they acquired turned into Libor Hajek.

Anyway, DeAngelo is probably a C+ type prospect at the moment, meaning that he's likely not going to make it as an NHLer, but still has a chance to get things right. For me it just seems he doesn't have the patience or aptitude for the defensive side of the game. He's shown some decent offensive instincts, but he's not good enough at that to overcome his shortfalls on the other end. I don't expect he's going to miraculously figure that out


Agreed on Vigneault. I don't expect any of the players to come out of their AV shell and perform any better than we've already seen.

As for Tony D, I'd like to see him used on the wing. At least in preseason.


The transition is quite difficult. I'm not sure Tony D would make it.
Maybe my memory is fading but as I recall, we tried this with MDZ right? Didn't work out all that well.

I think Tony D will be gone next off season at the latest.
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Posted 2018-08-03 10:58 AM (#708372 - in reply to #708356)
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Mandar - 2018-08-03 9:33 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-rankings-... Where is Lias? guess what 3 kids are on this list
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Posted 2018-08-03 11:06 AM (#708373 - in reply to #708308)
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Moving players between D and Wing pretty much never works out. If they can't figure out their own position how are they supposed to figure out a new one.

There are exceptions of course, but those are decisions are driven by the fact that the player is exceptionally talented in addition to the team having position imbalances to the point where it doesn't make sense to keep your exceptional player off the ice. (Byfuglien, Burns).

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Posted 2018-08-03 12:19 PM (#708375 - in reply to #708372)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-03 12:58 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-08-02 9:41 PM

I think Howden is better than Lias right now...

What do you base this on? Height?

In your opinion....from watching both players (which I'm sure you do), is Howden a better skater? passer? shooter? defensive player?


So, from what you have observed from both players.....tell us how you came to your conclusion that Howden is better right now............

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-top-prospects-rankings-... Where is Lias? guess what 3 kids are on this list


Using the Sporting News as some sort of reference source??







Still waiting on your analysis of how Howden is better than Lias now. Or are you waiting for your buddies to give you your opinions?
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Posted 2018-08-03 12:59 PM (#708379 - in reply to #708308)
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https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/232712/brett-howden

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/214318/lias-andersson
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Posted 2018-08-03 1:09 PM (#708380 - in reply to #708379)
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As you deleted your last note with another article.....

I ask (for the third time) why you say that Howden is better right now than Lias. All you have offered up is some sort of convoluted "he should have been a 3rd rounder" reasoning, and have supplied various articles (wonder where Baseball Digest has him ranked - just as credible a hockey source as the Sporting News). You offer no reasoning about Howden's skill sets (obviously because you have never seen him play) compare to Lias....just a "Howden is better right now".

Now, we all know you are waiting for your buddies to give you your opinion here....but you would think you could offer up something more than 'the Sporting News doesn't have Lias on their list"....at least until they come to your rescue.
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As you deleted your last note with another article.....

I ask (for the third time) why you say that Howden is better right now than Lias. All you have offered up is some sort of convoluted "he should have been a 3rd rounder" reasoning, and have supplied various articles (wonder where Baseball Digest has him ranked - just as credible a hockey source as the Sporting News). You offer no reasoning about Howden's skill sets (obviously because you have never seen him play) compare to Lias....just a "Howden is better right now".

Now, we all know you are waiting for your buddies to give you your opinion here....but you would think you could offer up something more than 'the Sporting News doesn't have Lias on their list"....at least until they come to your rescue.

Yeah I figured this would be easier....EASILY....Never said SN was the be all end all....itd just the latest list out there.....I went to Canada last winter and watched every game Howden played....He is the goods But Lias at the #7 was a mistake
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It's like you're comparing apples to oranges, in this case, WHL stats to SEL stats. If you ask me, I'll take the kid who's been playing with adults. But if you want to look up stats, look up Gropp or Tambelinni's WHL stats, especially in the WHL playoffs. Better than Howden's playoff stats, but where are they today? Bottom line: You should save your opinion until after camp. It's a new coach and there are a lot of players in the mix that people forget, like Nieves, Lettieri and Kampfer. All college pedigree. I'll bet no one on this site guesses the opening lineup.

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It's like you're comparing apples to oranges, in this case, WHL stats to SEL stats. If you ask me, I'll take the kid who's been playing with adults. But if you want to look up stats, look up Gropp or Tambelinni's WHL stats, especially in the WHL playoffs. Better than Howden's playoff stats, but where are they today? Bottom line: You should save your opinion until after camp. It's a new coach and there are a lot of players in the mix that people forget, like Nieves, Lettieri and Kampfer. All college pedigree. I'll bet no one on this site guesses the opening lineup.


Yep you are right about leagues and we will see....The SEL aint all that tho...Gropp blossomed playing with Barzal and the stupid FO couldnt see that...Howden was a 1st round pick and the Captain of his team and plays really well...I am hopeful for him....Tambellini was a 3rd rounder and I believe Gropp was a 2nd rounder
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As you deleted your last note with another article.....

I ask (for the third time) why you say that Howden is better right now than Lias. All you have offered up is some sort of convoluted "he should have been a 3rd rounder" reasoning, and have supplied various articles (wonder where Baseball Digest has him ranked - just as credible a hockey source as the Sporting News). You offer no reasoning about Howden's skill sets (obviously because you have never seen him play) compare to Lias....just a "Howden is better right now".

Now, we all know you are waiting for your buddies to give you your opinion here....but you would think you could offer up something more than 'the Sporting News doesn't have Lias on their list"....at least until they come to your rescue.

Yeah I figured this would be easier....EASILY....Never said SN was the be all end all....itd just the latest list out there.....I went to Canada last winter and watched every game Howden played....He is the goods But Lias at the #7 was a mistake


See...I thought I would ask...so we can have a nice discussion/debate about comparing two players. I should have known better. You have proven that your opinions have no basis.....just spouted out garbage.


I certainly hope Howden is "the goods", but there is nothing I have seen that indicates whether he is or isn't....and certainly I haven't seen anything anywhere (not your impeccable sources) that indicates he is better than Lias. Thus I was trying to see where you were coming from....again, my mistake for giving you too much credit. Oh yes....get all witty about using capital letters....only your boys aren't around yet to tell you how funny you are.

Take a gander at Steady's response....that should help you.


Please regale us with your opinions on Howden….you know, from all that time you spent in Canada. At least you spelled his name right....that's pretty much all you know about the guy.
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Posted 2018-08-03 2:38 PM (#708389 - in reply to #708387)
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As you deleted your last note with another article.....

I ask (for the third time) why you say that Howden is better right now than Lias. All you have offered up is some sort of convoluted "he should have been a 3rd rounder" reasoning, and have supplied various articles (wonder where Baseball Digest has him ranked - just as credible a hockey source as the Sporting News). You offer no reasoning about Howden's skill sets (obviously because you have never seen him play) compare to Lias....just a "Howden is better right now".

Now, we all know you are waiting for your buddies to give you your opinion here....but you would think you could offer up something more than 'the Sporting News doesn't have Lias on their list"....at least until they come to your rescue.

Yeah I figured this would be easier....EASILY....Never said SN was the be all end all....itd just the latest list out there.....I went to Canada last winter and watched every game Howden played....He is the goods But Lias at the #7 was a mistake


See...I thought I would ask...so we can have a nice discussion/debate about comparing two players. I should have known better. You have proven that your opinions have no basis.....just spouted out garbage.


I certainly hope Howden is "the goods", but there is nothing I have seen that indicates whether he is or isn't....and certainly I haven't seen anything anywhere (not your impeccable sources) that indicates he is better than Lias. Thus I was trying to see where you were coming from....again, my mistake for giving you too much credit. Oh yes....get all witty about using capital letters....only your boys aren't around yet to tell you how funny you are.

Take a gander at Steady's response....that should help you.


Please regale us with your opinions on Howden….you know, from all that time you spent in Canada. At least you spelled his name right....that's pretty much all you know about the guy.

Lias at #7 was a mistake
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And thats not all... would you agree the Stepan trade was a loser? Brendan Smith acquisition was a loser? and re signing was a worse loser? Shattenkirk signing was a loser? signing and re signing Cody McCleod was a loser? Hayes a 1 year deal? Zuc still here? drafting a goalie in rd 2 and not even the top rated one either....buying out Girardi and another team scoops him up and gives him a multi year contract? FO scares me man
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The reason Mike is down on Lias is because Mittlestadt was still on the board, and Mckenzie ranked Lias 14th instead of 7th. Between that, Pierre comparing his two way play to Fast, and him tossing that Silver medal into the crowd.... what more do you need to know?

Make no mistake, Howden seems ready. He will definitely ne competing for a spot, and because of that Hayes only gets the 1 year deal. Come trade deadline we could have Chytil, Howden, and Andersson all as full time NHLers potentially making Hayes an expendable trade piece.

That said, Andersson may be the best of the 3 in my opinion. Chytil has better offensive skills, but Andersson has the more complete game.

Howden is a couple inches taller though, so he's automatically better.

As has been stated it's hard to have any real comparisson without seeing them on the ice. Prospects grow leaps and bounds sometimes in a matter of 1 off season.

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This guy says he doesn't think Howden is ready yet....
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The reason Mike is down on Lias is because Mittlestadt was still on the board, and Mckenzie ranked Lias 14th instead of 7th. Between that, Pierre comparing his two way play to Fast, and him tossing that Silver medal into the crowd.... what more do you need to know?

Make no mistake, Howden seems ready. He will definitely ne competing for a spot, and because of that Hayes only gets the 1 year deal. Come trade deadline we could have Chytil, Howden, and Andersson all as full time NHLers potentially making Hayes an expendable trade piece.

That said, Andersson may be the best of the 3 in my opinion. Chytil has better offensive skills, but Andersson has the more complete game.

Howden is a couple inches taller though, so he's automatically better.

As has been stated it's hard to have any real comparisson without seeing them on the ice. Prospects grow leaps and bounds sometimes in a matter of 1 off season.

Middlestadt is a top 5 prospect overall.... compared to Patrick Kane....Gorton blew it ...especially if Lias is only a bottom 9 guy...I hope Lias is a big time player for us but i have no confidence in the Rangers ability to draft....they miss way too much...and when he tossed the medal into the crowd I thought that was a punk move...spoiled brat stuff but whatever ...not gonna hang it on the kid.....and we traded Mac and JT....Howden BETTER be something special for us
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https://www.nysportsday.com/2018/07/03/treff-2018-rangers-prospect-d...


This guy says he doesn't think Howden is ready yet....

I dont listen to Women to tell me about a Mans game
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Haha and Rob I will take the word of Bob Mackenzie, Darren Dregger etc....all 7 days of the week over Gordie Clark
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2015 draft and summer...everybody should of been fired
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This guy says he doesn't think Howden is ready yet....

I dont listen to Women to tell me about a Mans game


Ha you really did vote Trump, huh....
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The reason Mike is down on Lias is because Mittlestadt was still on the board, and Mckenzie ranked Lias 14th instead of 7th. Between that, Pierre comparing his two way play to Fast, and him tossing that Silver medal into the crowd.... what more do you need to know?

Make no mistake, Howden seems ready. He will definitely ne competing for a spot, and because of that Hayes only gets the 1 year deal. Come trade deadline we could have Chytil, Howden, and Andersson all as full time NHLers potentially making Hayes an expendable trade piece.

That said, Andersson may be the best of the 3 in my opinion. Chytil has better offensive skills, but Andersson has the more complete game.

Howden is a couple inches taller though, so he's automatically better.

As has been stated it's hard to have any real comparisson without seeing them on the ice. Prospects grow leaps and bounds sometimes in a matter of 1 off season.

Middlestadt is a top 5 prospect overall.... compared to Patrick Kane....Gorton blew it ...especially if Lias is only a bottom 9 guy...I hope Lias is a big time player for us but i have no confidence in the Rangers ability to draft....they miss way too much...and when he tossed the medal into the crowd I thought that was a punk move...spoiled brat stuff but whatever ...not gonna hang it on the kid.....and we traded Mac and JT....Howden BETTER be something special for us


Even if Mittlestadt turns out to be better (neither have even had a rookie season, yet) that doesn't factor in to what Andersson is. It's impossible to say Gorton blew it at this point. You or I have no idea how either will truly pan out till it happens.

What I DO know is that the order in which these players are drafted or ranked rarely means much. Kyle Turris was drafted 3rd overall.... Logan Couture went 9th. Does that make Turris better? Thomas Hickey was the top defenseman that year..... PK Subban wasn't drafted till 43! The whole league passed on Subban! Fire all the scouts!
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Haha and Rob I will take the word of Bob Mackenzie, Darren Dregger etc....all 7 days of the week over Gordie Clark

When in doubt, I always preferred believing people who actually do the job, have the long-term experience, credit and responsibility, over people who just sit in the studio / booth and talk about it.

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robstones - 2018-08-03 7:43 PM

https://www.nysportsday.com/2018/07/03/treff-2018-rangers-prospect-d...


This guy says he doesn't think Howden is ready yet....

I dont listen to Women to tell me about a Mans game


Ha you really did vote Trump, huh....

hahahaha I sure as heck didnt vote for Hillary
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Quinn has banned "Rock me tonight" from the Rangers locker room!!

Lol he should be fired on the spot
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-04 2:09 AM

Haha and Rob I will take the word of Bob Mackenzie, Darren Dregger etc....all 7 days of the week over Gordie Clark

When in doubt, I always preferred believing people who actually do the job, have the long-term experience, credit and responsibility, over people who just sit in the studio / booth and talk about it.


That should be the case but we miss too much
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robstones - 2018-08-03 7:33 PM

The reason Mike is down on Lias is because Mittlestadt was still on the board, and Mckenzie ranked Lias 14th instead of 7th. Between that, Pierre comparing his two way play to Fast, and him tossing that Silver medal into the crowd.... what more do you need to know?

Make no mistake, Howden seems ready. He will definitely ne competing for a spot, and because of that Hayes only gets the 1 year deal. Come trade deadline we could have Chytil, Howden, and Andersson all as full time NHLers potentially making Hayes an expendable trade piece.

That said, Andersson may be the best of the 3 in my opinion. Chytil has better offensive skills, but Andersson has the more complete game.

Howden is a couple inches taller though, so he's automatically better.

As has been stated it's hard to have any real comparisson without seeing them on the ice. Prospects grow leaps and bounds sometimes in a matter of 1 off season.

Middlestadt is a top 5 prospect overall.... compared to Patrick Kane....Gorton blew it ...especially if Lias is only a bottom 9 guy...I hope Lias is a big time player for us but i have no confidence in the Rangers ability to draft....they miss way too much...and when he tossed the medal into the crowd I thought that was a punk move...spoiled brat stuff but whatever ...not gonna hang it on the kid.....and we traded Mac and JT....Howden BETTER be something special for us


Even if Mittlestadt turns out to be better (neither have even had a rookie season, yet) that doesn't factor in to what Andersson is. It's impossible to say Gorton blew it at this point. You or I have no idea how either will truly pan out till it happens.

What I DO know is that the order in which these players are drafted or ranked rarely means much. Kyle Turris was drafted 3rd overall.... Logan Couture went 9th. Does that make Turris better? Thomas Hickey was the top defenseman that year..... PK Subban wasn't drafted till 43! The whole league passed on Subban! Fire all the scouts!

You are right and we will see...but our track record isnt great.... Sanguinetti...Mclrath...Del Zotto etc....
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robstones - 2018-08-03 7:33 PM

The reason Mike is down on Lias is because Mittlestadt was still on the board, and Mckenzie ranked Lias 14th instead of 7th. Between that, Pierre comparing his two way play to Fast, and him tossing that Silver medal into the crowd.... what more do you need to know?

Make no mistake, Howden seems ready. He will definitely ne competing for a spot, and because of that Hayes only gets the 1 year deal. Come trade deadline we could have Chytil, Howden, and Andersson all as full time NHLers potentially making Hayes an expendable trade piece.

That said, Andersson may be the best of the 3 in my opinion. Chytil has better offensive skills, but Andersson has the more complete game.

Howden is a couple inches taller though, so he's automatically better.

As has been stated it's hard to have any real comparisson without seeing them on the ice. Prospects grow leaps and bounds sometimes in a matter of 1 off season.

Middlestadt is a top 5 prospect overall.... compared to Patrick Kane....Gorton blew it ...especially if Lias is only a bottom 9 guy...I hope Lias is a big time player for us but i have no confidence in the Rangers ability to draft....they miss way too much...and when he tossed the medal into the crowd I thought that was a punk move...spoiled brat stuff but whatever ...not gonna hang it on the kid.....and we traded Mac and JT....Howden BETTER be something special for us


Even if Mittlestadt turns out to be better (neither have even had a rookie season, yet) that doesn't factor in to what Andersson is. It's impossible to say Gorton blew it at this point. You or I have no idea how either will truly pan out till it happens.

What I DO know is that the order in which these players are drafted or ranked rarely means much. Kyle Turris was drafted 3rd overall.... Logan Couture went 9th. Does that make Turris better? Thomas Hickey was the top defenseman that year..... PK Subban wasn't drafted till 43! The whole league passed on Subban! Fire all the scouts!

You are right and we will see...but our track record isnt great.... Sanguinetti...Mclrath...Del Zotto etc....



Sorry, you cannot use Del Zotto as an example - 566 NHL games out of a 20th pick says that was a quality pick. 2008 also had Stepan at 51.
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I disagree.....We got rid of Del Zotto...so for a 1st rounder he was a bust...he's on his 4th team...3rd pair d man at best....even at the draft I remember hearing Pierre he didnt like the pick...I dont mention Stepan because he was not a 1st rounder
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In 1 way X you are certainly right....Us as NYR fans should celebrate Del Zotto because he actually made it to the nhl....we aren’t used to that
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I say this every time.... why do we only consider Del Sucko, Sanguinetti, and McIlrath as our track record? Why not Kreider, Miller, Skjei? They're more recent 1st rounders.... We selected plenty of quality NHL talent in the rounds after the 1st, too. And I have to bring up Cherepanov everytime we talk about our track record too.... the loss of him was a major blow to this organization. He should be a 29 year old going in to his 10th NHL season now, but sadly that's not the case..... kid was going to be a stud....

I think Gordie has done well with what he's had to work with.

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No way dude...2015 draft...0 for the whole thing.....Its ok to miss in the 1st round once in a while but not like the Rangers miss....go back and look over many years its awful ....Kreider when he tries is a force out there...problem is he doesnt bring it every night and goes 20 games without knowing he is even playing....JT Miller I like but we got rid of him...so what does that say?....Skjei I like and we will see....yes we picked guys in later rounds like Jesper Fast Duby and Cally.....but there are way way way too many missess

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00007089.html
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And if you want to nit pick....Kravstov did nothing during the season but had a great playoff.....K Miller is converted D man and they gave up a pick to get him....Nils Lvisy Gordie said he liked him because he saw him carry the puck up the ice in 1 game and went through everyone and scored a goal.....a F'n goalie in Rd 2? with Wilde and Mcleod there? I think Gordie is atrocious and Gorton should be in charge of all scouting and draft related stuff....throw Gordie the hell out of the building
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Having 7 picks or whatever in a draft and only 0 to 1 kid ever making it is so F'n not good enough.....Gordie sure can find those 4th liners out there
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Gordie isn't the only scout.... he liked what he saw out of Nils when he went to see him.... but he went to see him for a reason. Other scouts in the organization told him he had to see him! He was voted the best defenseman in the league over Adam Boqvist!..... Gordie certainly wasn't the only one that liked him.

And the goalie we took started for Team Sweden, and was voted the best goalie in the tournament. I haven't seen much of him, so I imagine you haven't either..... that said how can you possibly have a strong oppinion on the selection???

If he turns out to be the best goalie of the draft, as he was the best in the WJC, then what isn't to like about it? Goalies have so much value if/when they pan out to be NHLers.... even backups....


Kravtsov didn't "do nothing".... he was a 17 year old playing in the KHL who earned ice time.... quality ice time, by season's end, and it's because of that he didn't just do well, he put up Kovalchuk numbers.... he was one of the best players in the league.

Miller is a converted Dman..... and have you seen him!? I'm not worried about the pick

Speaking of Miller... how does us trading him make him less of a player?

Kreider has a 28g 25a season under his belt. 30 goals is surely possible.... of course we want more out of him, but if this is all he has..... how is a 50+ point getter anything to scoff at???
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I think too much is being ascribed to Vigneault. DeAngelo has already played under two NHL coaches, and was part of a third organization that used him as a trade chip to get a 2nd round pick from Arizona in 2016...that suggests Tampa didn't think very highly of him, having had him for two years as a 19th overall draft pick. Interesting fact, the 2nd round pick they acquired turned into Libor Hajek.

Anyway, DeAngelo is probably a C+ type prospect at the moment, meaning that he's likely not going to make it as an NHLer, but still has a chance to get things right. For me it just seems he doesn't have the patience or aptitude for the defensive side of the game. He's shown some decent offensive instincts, but he's not good enough at that to overcome his shortfalls on the other end. I don't expect he's going to miraculously figure that out






I think the fact nobody has been moved out this summer, speaks somewhat to the Rangers wanting a look at their team under different leadership. From what I’ve seen of DeAngelo he either breaks through offensively and hopefully is reasonably safe defensively or he’s not much use. Undersized non offence drivers are a last resort. This is his career signature camp coming up,he either gets his game together or he can pretty much start planning his personal finances on AHL money.
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Gordie isn't the only scout.... he liked what he saw out of Nils when he went to see him.... but he went to see him for a reason. Other scouts in the organization told him he had to see him! He was voted the best defenseman in the league over Adam Boqvist!..... Gordie certainly wasn't the only one that liked him.

And the goalie we took started for Team Sweden, and was voted the best goalie in the tournament. I haven't seen much of him, so I imagine you haven't either..... that said how can you possibly have a strong oppinion on the selection???

If he turns out to be the best goalie of the draft, as he was the best in the WJC, then what isn't to like about it? Goalies have so much value if/when they pan out to be NHLers.... even backups....


Kravtsov didn't "do nothing".... he was a 17 year old playing in the KHL who earned ice time.... quality ice time, by season's end, and it's because of that he didn't just do well, he put up Kovalchuk numbers.... he was one of the best players in the league.

Miller is a converted Dman..... and have you seen him!? I'm not worried about the pick

Speaking of Miller... how does us trading him make him less of a player?

Kreider has a 28g 25a season under his belt. 30 goals is surely possible.... of course we want more out of him, but if this is all he has..... how is a 50+ point getter anything to scoff at???

Final decisions are with Gordie...which is not right....We already have 3 goalies now if you include Shesty...we dont need to draft one in round 2...bad move...like I said with Krav...nitpicking...K Miller Im not worried...yet...but we gave up a good pick to get him.....Trading JT means he didnt mean anything to the team going forward...not wanted anymore....Kreider has broken 50 pts once...was on the block last season ...you have to admit he is a headcase....too much video...not enough just go out there and play your game etc...
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Fish - 2018-08-02 9:41 AM

I think too much is being ascribed to Vigneault. DeAngelo has already played under two NHL coaches, and was part of a third organization that used him as a trade chip to get a 2nd round pick from Arizona in 2016...that suggests Tampa didn't think very highly of him, having had him for two years as a 19th overall draft pick. Interesting fact, the 2nd round pick they acquired turned into Libor Hajek.

Anyway, DeAngelo is probably a C+ type prospect at the moment, meaning that he's likely not going to make it as an NHLer, but still has a chance to get things right. For me it just seems he doesn't have the patience or aptitude for the defensive side of the game. He's shown some decent offensive instincts, but he's not good enough at that to overcome his shortfalls on the other end. I don't expect he's going to miraculously figure that out






I think the fact nobody has been moved out this summer, speaks somewhat to the Rangers wanting a look at their team under different leadership. From what I’ve seen of DeAngelo he either breaks through offensively and hopefully is reasonably safe defensively or he’s not much use. Undersized non offence drivers are a last resort. This is his career signature camp coming up,he either gets his game together or he can pretty much start planning his personal finances on AHL money.

Yep and if he dont make it.....the trade becomes an official disaster
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First off to make any judgements on the kids we just drafted is pretty much laughable. They may be hits and they may be misses, but to comment on them at all now with regards to misses is comical.

As for the Stepan deal, that was a HR deal with or without DeAngelo panning out. Raise your hand if you want Stepan and his 6.5 mill cap hit and NTC here...I'm waiting for that one. And just like with the picks from this season we have no clue on Andresson and Chytil yet...none. They may pan out and they may be misses. This coming season will go a long way in determining their abilities.

As for our drafts, here is what I'll say. We have been middle of the road. We haven't been the best and we haven't been the worst. We have hits and we have misses. BUT we also had year after year with no 1st round picks. We cannot dismiss that. And to be real, with 5 picks in the 1st round the past two drafts I think Clark's overall grade should be assessed starting with this season Andersson/Chytil and next season with the trio of picks in this recent draft. To me that is how I will judge Clark, how did he do with these 5 picks the past two drafts.



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We got our ass kicked on the Stephan trade....I wanted Stepan gone because of his contract but he was our 1st line center.....if I knew that all we would be getting back was what we got then yes....I would rather of kept Stepan
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We traded our 1C and a borderline starting goalie and we got TD who is 21 or 22 and on his 3rd team already and the 7 pick where he didn’t take the best player available ....will Lias ever become our 1C? I hope so but it ain’t gonna be this year or next year if at all
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Gordie isn't the only scout.... he liked what he saw out of Nils when he went to see him.... but he went to see him for a reason. Other scouts in the organization told him he had to see him! He was voted the best defenseman in the league over Adam Boqvist!..... Gordie certainly wasn't the only one that liked him.

And the goalie we took started for Team Sweden, and was voted the best goalie in the tournament. I haven't seen much of him, so I imagine you haven't either..... that said how can you possibly have a strong oppinion on the selection???

If he turns out to be the best goalie of the draft, as he was the best in the WJC, then what isn't to like about it? Goalies have so much value if/when they pan out to be NHLers.... even backups....


Kravtsov didn't "do nothing".... he was a 17 year old playing in the KHL who earned ice time.... quality ice time, by season's end, and it's because of that he didn't just do well, he put up Kovalchuk numbers.... he was one of the best players in the league.

Miller is a converted Dman..... and have you seen him!? I'm not worried about the pick

Speaking of Miller... how does us trading him make him less of a player?

Kreider has a 28g 25a season under his belt. 30 goals is surely possible.... of course we want more out of him, but if this is all he has..... how is a 50+ point getter anything to scoff at???




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I simply could not disagree with you more on Stepan. We dealt a solid player who was about to have a terrible contract kick in, and for that we got the # 7 pick, which could still be a very big player for us, and cap space.

Stepan is a nice player. A player who will score mid 50's in points (as he has done for 5 straight seasons), but he was about to be overpaid AND locked in with a NTC as well.

That was a great trade by Gorton given Stepan's contract was a huge negative for contending teams. I would make that trade every single day of the week.

Again, I couldn't disagree with you more on that trade, and I say that without even knowing what type of player Andersson will become. If he becomes a good solid player as well the trade goes to a whole different level.


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And please don't give me the borderline starting goalie stuff. The guy had one season left and then was a UFA, which we NEVER could have kept him. And he never would have gotten enough PT that one year to make a difference. So for us Raanta was a throw in and a sweetener for the # 7 pick from Zona, nothing more.


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Good disagree more....The return we got speaks for itself....Look at Ryan O'Reilly also a 2nd round pick...look at his 2 times he was traded and the returns the Avs got and Sabres got.
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Posted 2018-08-05 9:35 AM (#708454 - in reply to #708308)
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I agree, the return speaks for itself. Good deal for us to get out from under Stepan's contract and get the # 7 pick in the draft. I do find it funny that you are so strongly judging the trade negatively without even knowing at all what type of player Andersson will be, but that seems to be how you roll.


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And BTW...ROR has 3 seasons of 60 points or more, Stepan has zero. And ROR has 4 seasons of 20 goals or more, Stepan has one. So ROR is a little better than Stepan as well. We got the # 7 pick to get out from Stepan's contract, and I am very okay with that. Let's hope that pick is a hit which takes the deal to another level.


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Posted 2018-08-05 10:03 AM (#708459 - in reply to #708308)
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It better ....ROR got 9 pieces in 2 trades...Gorton traded 2 pieces and only got 2 pieces back...... Stepan was also not on a NYR team of great scoring ability they were a lunch pail team....Yes we had to trade Stepan but we did not get equal value for him...ROR played on team with Duchene and Mackinon in Colorado ...and Eichel and Kane with Buffalo....we dont have any players that are as good as those 4
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Posted 2018-08-05 11:48 AM (#708461 - in reply to #708308)
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Since when is a 50 point season good from your first line? Since when is a 50 point first line center a "solid" or "nice" player.

50 points isn't even in the top 100 point getters of the NHL.

Why would we think Kreider getting 50 points is good? Or, why would we think stepan as a number one center was "solid" with 50 points?
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Posted 2018-08-05 11:53 AM (#708462 - in reply to #708459)
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It better ....ROR got 9 pieces in 2 trades...Gorton traded 2 pieces and only got 2 pieces back...... Stepan was also not on a NYR team of great scoring ability they were a lunch pail team....Yes we had to trade Stepan but we did not get equal value for him...ROR played on team with Duchene and Mackinon in Colorado ...and Eichel and Kane with Buffalo....we dont have any players that are as good as those 4


2014-2015

stepan had Nash on his wing, Nash had 42 goals. Stepan finished that season with ONLY 55 points.

Stepan is not missed at all!!
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Posted 2018-08-05 12:55 PM (#708464 - in reply to #708308)
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I agree with you RJ. Stepan was our # 1 by default. To me getting out of that terrible deal AND getting the # 7 pick made it well worth it. Now whether Andersson is a hit or not is TBD, but if you told me hey you could get the # 7 pick in the draft for Stepan one week before his terrible deal kicked in, I would say yes every single time.

I do think Stepan is a solid player though. He gets mid 50's in points and is a two-way player. To me that is solid. Nothing spectacular or great at all, but solid seems like a fair word to describe him IMO.







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Posted 2018-08-05 1:43 PM (#708467 - in reply to #708462)
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It better ....ROR got 9 pieces in 2 trades...Gorton traded 2 pieces and only got 2 pieces back...... Stepan was also not on a NYR team of great scoring ability they were a lunch pail team....Yes we had to trade Stepan but we did not get equal value for him...ROR played on team with Duchene and Mackinon in Colorado ...and Eichel and Kane with Buffalo....we dont have any players that are as good as those 4


2014-2015

stepan had Nash on his wing, Nash had 42 goals. Stepan finished that season with ONLY 55 points.

Stepan is not missed at all!!

Yep totally I hated Stepan but he did have value and was our #1 Center

ROR 651 GP 155 goals 267 Assists 422 pts
Stepan 597 GP 142 goals 274 assists 416 pts

Rock that tonight lol
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Posted 2018-08-05 1:46 PM (#708468 - in reply to #708308)
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So according to those stats....very similar and you can make the case ROR played with better players and has 1 more year in the league than Stepan...... and he still brought back 9 pieces....Rock me tonight
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Posted 2018-08-05 1:48 PM (#708469 - in reply to #708464)
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I agree with you RJ. Stepan was our # 1 by default. To me getting out of that terrible deal AND getting the # 7 pick made it well worth it. Now whether Andersson is a hit or not is TBD, but if you told me hey you could get the # 7 pick in the draft for Stepan one week before his terrible deal kicked in, I would say yes every single time.

I do think Stepan is a solid player though. He gets mid 50's in points and is a two-way player. To me that is solid. Nothing spectacular or great at all, but solid seems like a fair word to describe him IMO.






Getting the #7 for Stepan is of course nice....but it wasnt enough and Gordie didnt take the BPA
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Since when is a 50 point season good from your first line? Since when is a 50 point first line center a "solid" or "nice" player.

50 points isn't even in the top 100 point getters of the NHL.

Why would we think Kreider getting 50 points is good? Or, why would we think stepan as a number one center was "solid" with 50 points?

Neither are ideal situations
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Posted 2018-08-05 1:54 PM (#708471 - in reply to #708308)
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And hopefully Gorton from now on will not give out NMC or NTC etc...
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Posted 2018-08-05 1:59 PM (#708473 - in reply to #708308)
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And if you want to get a little crazy ROR is a career -53 Stepan is a +102
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Posted 2018-08-05 2:39 PM (#708474 - in reply to #708308)
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The issue with your assessment is you are devaluing Andersson. Essentially in your version we didn't take the BPA and Andersson will be a whatever 3rd line player. That's how you are viewing the Stepan deal. I am viewing it as we got the 7th pick, and a young dman with upside, for a solid player whose contract was about to get crazy (with a NMC) and that hurt his value, yet we still got a good return.

If Andersson doesn't pan out I do not believe that makes the trade bad, I think that makes the selection of Andersson the wrong choice. Getting the # 7 pick for a solid player with a terrible bloated contract is a great move.


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Posted 2018-08-05 3:00 PM (#708475 - in reply to #708308)
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I hope Lias pans out....if he doesnt its a disaster because it dont look like TD will be around either.....ROR brought back Zadorov and Grriorgenko back to the Avs.....thats serious return....I agree with you on the need to get rid of him....My point is that the FO botched what could of been a better return....Stepan stats show it
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Posted 2018-08-05 3:11 PM (#708476 - in reply to #708467)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-05 10:03 AM

It better ....ROR got 9 pieces in 2 trades...Gorton traded 2 pieces and only got 2 pieces back...... Stepan was also not on a NYR team of great scoring ability they were a lunch pail team....Yes we had to trade Stepan but we did not get equal value for him...ROR played on team with Duchene and Mackinon in Colorado ...and Eichel and Kane with Buffalo....we dont have any players that are as good as those 4


2014-2015

stepan had Nash on his wing, Nash had 42 goals. Stepan finished that season with ONLY 55 points.

Stepan is not missed at all!!

Yep totally I hated Stepan but he did have value and was our #1 Center

ROR 651 GP 155 goals 267 Assists 422 pts
Stepan 597 GP 142 goals 274 assists 416 pts

Rock that tonight lol


ROR played on a horrible colorado team and Buffalo, probably the worst team. Stepan played on playoff teams.
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Posted 2018-08-05 3:14 PM (#708477 - in reply to #708308)
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Also will Lias ever be our 1C? who knows but the scouting report on him doesnt peg him as a def top 6 forward
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Posted 2018-08-05 3:14 PM (#708478 - in reply to #708308)
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stepan 3rd line player traded to Arizona for the Lias pick another 3rd line player.

Anderson is younger and cheaper. We won that trade!
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Posted 2018-08-05 3:16 PM (#708480 - in reply to #708478)
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stepan 3rd line player traded to Arizona for the Lias pick another 3rd line player.

Anderson is younger and cheaper. We won that trade!

We won if we took him in the 3rd round lol
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Posted 2018-08-05 3:17 PM (#708482 - in reply to #708476)
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It better ....ROR got 9 pieces in 2 trades...Gorton traded 2 pieces and only got 2 pieces back...... Stepan was also not on a NYR team of great scoring ability they were a lunch pail team....Yes we had to trade Stepan but we did not get equal value for him...ROR played on team with Duchene and Mackinon in Colorado ...and Eichel and Kane with Buffalo....we dont have any players that are as good as those 4


2014-2015

stepan had Nash on his wing, Nash had 42 goals. Stepan finished that season with ONLY 55 points.

Stepan is not missed at all!!

Yep totally I hated Stepan but he did have value and was our #1 Center

ROR 651 GP 155 goals 267 Assists 422 pts
Stepan 597 GP 142 goals 274 assists 416 pts

Rock that tonight lol


ROR played on a horrible colorado team and Buffalo, probably the worst team. Stepan played on playoff teams.

True but the stats are the stats ROR might of been on that Avs team that went nuts in Roys 1st year as Coach...Im not sure.... He had better Offensive talent around him on both teams
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Posted 2018-08-05 3:20 PM (#708483 - in reply to #708308)
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Stepan didnt have a Mackinnon, Duchene, Eichel or Kane to play with.
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I'm not sure he had better offensive talent around him....
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Stepan didnt have a Mackinnon, Duchene, Eichel or Kane to play with.


ROR is a center...

3 of those 4 players you mention are centers, so he didn't play with them either
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When ROR got traded to Buffalo....The Sabres gave up Zadorov who is a Monster 1st pair D....Grigorenko was also a 1st round pick but he went back to the KHL...Compher is also a young 2nd round pick who is in the Avs lineup......Now ROR gets traded to the Blues for a 1st and 2nd plus 3 players....Thats how its done
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Stepan didnt have a Mackinnon, Duchene, Eichel or Kane to play with.


ROR is a center...

3 of those 4 players you mention are centers, so he didn't play with them either

Im sure they played together PP time....We hated Stepan but he put up the results
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I get ya....But,

what really accounts for a players value? It's what a team is willing to pay to get that player.

Hard to turn a bronze type player like stepan into a gold player
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Posted 2018-08-05 3:32 PM (#708489 - in reply to #708487)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-05 3:20 PM

Stepan didnt have a Mackinnon, Duchene, Eichel or Kane to play with.


ROR is a center...

3 of those 4 players you mention are centers, so he didn't play with them either

Im sure they played together PP time....We hated Stepan but he put up the results


Results??

I have to come on here more often and keep you sane.....50 points from a 1C is not results

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Posted 2018-08-05 3:39 PM (#708491 - in reply to #708489)
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Stepan didnt have a Mackinnon, Duchene, Eichel or Kane to play with.


ROR is a center...

3 of those 4 players you mention are centers, so he didn't play with them either

Im sure they played together PP time....We hated Stepan but he put up the results


Results??

I have to come on here more often and keep you sane.....50 points from a 1C is not results


Lol haha Thanks Brother I appreciate it...I should have clarified...I meant Stepans results were similar to ROR....50 pts from a 1C is def not good
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-05 3:20 PM

Stepan didnt have a Mackinnon, Duchene, Eichel or Kane to play with.


ROR is a center...

3 of those 4 players you mention are centers, so he didn't play with them either

Im sure they played together PP time....We hated Stepan but he put up the results


Results??

I have to come on here more often and keep you sane.....50 points from a 1C is not results


Lol haha Thanks Brother I appreciate it...I should have clarified...I meant Stepans results were similar to ROR....50 pts from a 1C is def not good


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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-05 3:14 PM

stepan 3rd line player traded to Arizona for the Lias pick another 3rd line player.

Anderson is younger and cheaper. We won that trade!

I agree with this. But I will add, why are we just assuming Lias is a 3rd line player. Time will tell on that. He could be a 1st or 2nd line player, and he could be a 3rd line or worse player...we'll see.

As for Stepan being our # 1, that really doesn't mean much. He was our # 1...that doesn't make him A # 1. I think it was a good deal for the reasons I mentioned. We'll see what Lias turns out to be.



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I get ya....But,

what really accounts for a players value? It's what a team is willing to pay to get that player.

Hard to turn a bronze type player like stepan into a gold player

Exactly. You keep brining up ROR, is it possible he is simply valued much higher than Stepan? I think that is certainly possible. He is a more dynamic offensive player. We also waited until the week of to deal Stepan. We were up against a clear deadline. That is something you could get on Gorton for, but we were also trying to make one last run with Stepan, so I get it.


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Read the writeups ....who would you draft?

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One report says electric offensive presence........the other says excellent role player
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Posted 2018-08-05 6:20 PM (#708499 - in reply to #708308)
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Mikey I think Lias is going to be a good player
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Mikey I think Lias is going to be a good player

I hope so! Lets hope So! Gordie and Gorton hope so...but we saw him at the end of the season and saw he had trouble keeping up with the speed of the play...Lias needs to help Make the Rangers Great Again
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You are confusing things man. We can debate whether or not drafting Lias was the right pick, although I don't know how you really do that in any factual way right now given Lias has played like 8 NHL games, but I digress. BUT that doesn't mean the Stepan trade was a bad trade for the # 7 pick in the draft. If the Lias pick is a miss, that makes it the wrong pick, it doesn't make it a bad trade value wise and cap wise.

And I think Lias is going to be a good player as well. Worst case in the same range as Stepan I believe. But again that is pure speculation at this point. We'll know a lot more after this upcoming season. We need to have patience with the 5 first round picks the past two drafts.




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You are confusing things man. We can debate whether or not drafting Lias was the right pick, although I don't know how you really do that in any factual way right now given Lias has played like 8 NHL games, but I digress. BUT that doesn't mean the Stepan trade was a bad trade for the # 7 pick in the draft. If the Lias pick is a miss, that makes it the wrong pick, it doesn't make it a bad trade value wise and cap wise.

And I think Lias is going to be a good player as well. Worst case in the same range as Stepan I believe. But again that is pure speculation at this point. We'll know a lot more after this upcoming season. We need to have patience with the 5 first round picks the past two drafts.




I agree with this. I am a big fan of Stepan despite the contract, he was under-appreciated and provided value, and I did not want to see him go. Having said that we got good enough value out of that deal, especially if you consider that the first step of the rebuild (a year early).

Saying Andersson was a missed pick at this point is absolutely ridiculous... we have two 18 year olds who already have NHL experience and could still both project to be top 6 centers. They get about 4 years before we can judge if they were busts or not.

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You are confusing things man. We can debate whether or not drafting Lias was the right pick, although I don't know how you really do that in any factual way right now given Lias has played like 8 NHL games, but I digress. BUT that doesn't mean the Stepan trade was a bad trade for the # 7 pick in the draft. If the Lias pick is a miss, that makes it the wrong pick, it doesn't make it a bad trade value wise and cap wise.

And I think Lias is going to be a good player as well. Worst case in the same range as Stepan I believe. But again that is pure speculation at this point. We'll know a lot more after this upcoming season. We need to have patience with the 5 first round picks the past two drafts.




I agree with this. I am a big fan of Stepan despite the contract, he was under-appreciated and provided value, and I did not want to see him go. Having said that we got good enough value out of that deal, especially if you consider that the first step of the rebuild (a year early).

Saying Andersson was a missed pick at this point is absolutely ridiculous... we have two 18 year olds who already have NHL experience and could still both project to be top 6 centers. They get about 4 years before we can judge if they were busts or not.


ROR got traded twice and got 4 and 5 pieces for each trade....Lias may not be a missed pick but he was def a reach
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You are confusing things man. We can debate whether or not drafting Lias was the right pick, although I don't know how you really do that in any factual way right now given Lias has played like 8 NHL games, but I digress. BUT that doesn't mean the Stepan trade was a bad trade for the # 7 pick in the draft. If the Lias pick is a miss, that makes it the wrong pick, it doesn't make it a bad trade value wise and cap wise.

And I think Lias is going to be a good player as well. Worst case in the same range as Stepan I believe. But again that is pure speculation at this point. We'll know a lot more after this upcoming season. We need to have patience with the 5 first round picks the past two drafts.




I agree with this. I am a big fan of Stepan despite the contract, he was under-appreciated and provided value, and I did not want to see him go. Having said that we got good enough value out of that deal, especially if you consider that the first step of the rebuild (a year early).

Saying Andersson was a missed pick at this point is absolutely ridiculous... we have two 18 year olds who already have NHL experience and could still both project to be top 6 centers. They get about 4 years before we can judge if they were busts or not.


ROR got traded twice and got 4 and 5 pieces for each trade....Lias may not be a missed pick but he was def a reach



Funny how in the ROR piece, you want to count the guy who went back to play in the KHL, but in some of your other diatribes, you blame the Ranger front office for Shestorkyin staying in Russia a few more years or Kravtsev going back for a year as bad moves. SMH... again
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Posted 2018-08-06 3:43 PM (#708516 - in reply to #708515)
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SMH... again

You're rattlin' your brain for no reason.....better look up that concussion protocol.
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Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....

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You are confusing things man. We can debate whether or not drafting Lias was the right pick, although I don't know how you really do that in any factual way right now given Lias has played like 8 NHL games, but I digress. BUT that doesn't mean the Stepan trade was a bad trade for the # 7 pick in the draft. If the Lias pick is a miss, that makes it the wrong pick, it doesn't make it a bad trade value wise and cap wise.

And I think Lias is going to be a good player as well. Worst case in the same range as Stepan I believe. But again that is pure speculation at this point. We'll know a lot more after this upcoming season. We need to have patience with the 5 first round picks the past two drafts.




I agree with this. I am a big fan of Stepan despite the contract, he was under-appreciated and provided value, and I did not want to see him go. Having said that we got good enough value out of that deal, especially if you consider that the first step of the rebuild (a year early).

Saying Andersson was a missed pick at this point is absolutely ridiculous... we have two 18 year olds who already have NHL experience and could still both project to be top 6 centers. They get about 4 years before we can judge if they were busts or not.


ROR got traded twice and got 4 and 5 pieces for each trade....Lias may not be a missed pick but he was def a reach



Funny how in the ROR piece, you want to count the guy who went back to play in the KHL, but in some of your other diatribes, you blame the Ranger front office for Shestorkyin staying in Russia a few more years or Kravtsev going back for a year as bad moves. SMH... again

Girgorenko was the #12 or #16 pick in his draft I believe...he played a few seasons here then went back to KHL....But Nikita Zadorov is still there....best D man between Colorado, Buffalo and Us....Jt Compher 23 is a regular in the lineup too...I bet Buffalo regrets that trade....Where did I blame the Rangers FO for Shesty staying in Russia? come on man stop making stuff up smh.... right back at you
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Steady Eddie - 2018-08-06 6:00 PM

Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


Unmittigated disaster of a draft and Summer....we traded Hagelin that Summer ...and went 0 for the draft
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Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


Unmittigated disaster of a draft and Summer....we traded Hagelin that Summer ...and went 0 for the draft
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25 players selected, 1 thats right 1 plays for the Rangers now......Buchnevich
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Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


Unmittigated disaster of a draft and Summer....we traded Hagelin that Summer ...and went 0 for the draft


Another miss in my opinion was not signing Marchessault. Thought he was our best player at 2011 Traverse City. Instead, we touted Ryan freaking Bourque. Two Gordie misses.
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Steady Eddie - 2018-08-06 6:00 PM

Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


Unmittigated disaster of a draft and Summer....we traded Hagelin that Summer ...and went 0 for the draft
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25 players selected, 1 thats right 1 plays for the Rangers now......Buchnevich

Yet we have some in here that say Gordie is doing a good job... I think Gordie has drafted some 94 players since 2005 when he started...and some 13 made it to the Rangers....and some include guys that barely played for us

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Steady Eddie - 2018-08-06 6:00 PM

Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


Unmittigated disaster of a draft and Summer....we traded Hagelin that Summer ...and went 0 for the draft


Another miss in my opinion was not signing Marchessault. Thought he was our best player at 2011 Traverse City. Instead, we touted Ryan freaking Bourque. Two Gordie misses.

I will take your word for it since I didnt see that tournament....But he does have an NHL job...another miss by Gordie lol
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I'm sure there are a lot of teams that have a lot of misses, but, 1 out of 25 in four years of drafts has to be the worst.
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I went back and looked all the way back to 2000 ...1 here 2 there in some cases....total 0 fers in others.....If it was a baseball batting average it might be sub .100
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-06 8:55 PM

I'm sure there are a lot of teams that have a lot of misses, but, 1 out of 25 in four years of drafts has to be the worst.

EASILY the worst lol
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EASILY....

They weren't singing rock me tonight after those drafts
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In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.
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concust - 2018-08-07 1:13 PM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.

Brendl, Lundmark, Jessiman, Montoya, Korpakoski, Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, McLrath, Jt Miller, were all 1sts ...Its well documented that the Rangers drafting has not been their strong suit
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In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.


Interesting.....

If you look back a little bit, you'll see that Steady Eddie mentioned the 2015 draft, then the comment was made how that draft was an 0 for. I just looked at the most recent drafts to see how well the Rangers drafted. Call it cherry picking ok.........

If you think 1 out of 25 is good, your crazy!

Never said everyone sucks, 24 of the players drafted not playing with the team says it all.

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No space for logic in my argument?? The argument if thats what you want to call is, 4 years of drafts, 25 players selected, 1 is with the team. Thats a fact!! No logic needed on my end
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concust - 2018-08-07 1:13 PM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.

Brendl, Lundmark, Jessiman, Montoya, Korpakoski, Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, McLrath, Jt Miller, were all 1sts ...Its well documented that the Rangers drafting has not been their strong suit




All first rounders!!! 0 of these players are with the team, guess this isn't that bad either?
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concust - 2018-08-07 1:13 PM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.

Brendl, Lundmark, Jessiman, Montoya, Korpakoski, Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, McLrath, Jt Miller, were all 1sts ...Its well documented that the Rangers drafting has not been their strong suit




All first rounders!!! 0 of these players are with the team, guess this isn't that bad either?

Its sad that to some it probably isnt bad lol...
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Posted 2018-08-07 1:10 PM (#708542 - in reply to #708308)
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Honestly think you guys have Rangers myopia, stemming from not following other organizations prospect systems. Look at another team that had similar record and success in that time period, LA Kings, draft from same years - 2013 to 2016

LA had 1 first rounder, 5 second rounders, 27 total players drafted. So already between the firsts and seconds, you would expect them to have more NHL players. Because they have a first and 5 seconds as opposed to no firsts, and 2 seconds (NYR)

Out of 27 players they have one legit NHLer in Adrian Kempe (first rounder), and two other guys in the AHL (43 career NHL games between the two guys) still in the system

Aside from Kempe, no other player has played even half a season of NHL hockey. Only 7 of the 27 players selected even have one NHL game experience.

Again, you can say things suck all you want, that doesn't make it true. Look around the league at teams in similar competitive situations and you'll see this, but if you only look at Rangers drafts of course you'd think they suck, because you lack the context of how every other team drafts. Some are a little better, some are a little worse, but the Rangers are not any worse than average in this regard. Some of their misses were more glaring and that's probably where some of this comes from, but their drafting record when you look at it overall, is at least as good as other teams in the same situation.



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concust - 2018-08-07 11:13 AM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.


Interesting.....

If you look back a little bit, you'll see that Steady Eddie mentioned the 2015 draft, then the comment was made how that draft was an 0 for. I just looked at the most recent drafts to see how well the Rangers drafted. Call it cherry picking ok.........

If you think 1 out of 25 is good, your crazy!

Never said everyone sucks, 24 of the players drafted not playing with the team says it all.


I said you cherry picked because your year range is conveniently bookended by 2012 on the back end (Skjei) and Andersson/Chytil on the front end (who already have 16 games NHL experience) so you just happened to pick the years the Rangers pushed for the Cup and traded most of their firsts and seconds away and those just happen to be the high picks, most likely to make an impact. Just a coincidence right.

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concust - 2018-08-07 3:10 PM

Honestly think you guys have Rangers myopia, stemming from not following other organizations prospect systems. Look at another team that had similar record and success in that time period, LA Kings, draft from same years - 2013 to 2016

LA had 1 first rounder, 5 second rounders, 27 total players drafted. So already between the firsts and seconds, you would expect them to have more NHL players. Because they have a first and 5 seconds as opposed to no firsts, and 2 seconds (NYR)

Out of 27 players they have one legit NHLer in Adrian Kempe (first rounder), and two other guys in the AHL (43 career NHL games between the two guys) still in the system

Aside from Kempe, no other player has played even half a season of NHL hockey. Only 7 of the 27 players selected even have one NHL game experience.

Again, you can say things suck all you want, that doesn't make it true. Look around the league at teams in similar competitive situations and you'll see this, but if you only look at Rangers drafts of course you'd think they suck, because you lack the context of how every other team drafts. Some are a little better, some are a little worse, but the Rangers are not any worse than average in this regard. Some of their misses were more glaring and that's probably where some of this comes from, but their drafting record when you look at it overall, is at least as good as other teams in the same situation.




And they won the SC twice recently
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Posted 2018-08-07 1:57 PM (#708547 - in reply to #708308)
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Posted 2018-08-07 2:15 PM (#708548 - in reply to #708543)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 12:59 PM

concust - 2018-08-07 11:13 AM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.


Interesting.....

If you look back a little bit, you'll see that Steady Eddie mentioned the 2015 draft, then the comment was made how that draft was an 0 for. I just looked at the most recent drafts to see how well the Rangers drafted. Call it cherry picking ok.........

If you think 1 out of 25 is good, your crazy!

Never said everyone sucks, 24 of the players drafted not playing with the team says it all.


I said you cherry picked because your year range is conveniently bookended by 2012 on the back end (Skjei) and Andersson/Chytil on the front end (who already have 16 games NHL experience) so you just happened to pick the years the Rangers pushed for the Cup and traded most of their firsts and seconds away and those just happen to be the high picks, most likely to make an impact. Just a coincidence right.



Ok...

I actually didn't put in the 2017 draft because there's not enough info yet to say whether its a good or bad draft, just like this year..I am very hopeful for Chytil and Anderson.

Lets add in 2012 then since I conveniently left it out, Brady Skjei.... 2 out of 29 players drafted...BRAVO!!!! Unless you want to count Nieves of course.
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Lol and to be honest...yes we dont know about Lias and Heatl yet....but the jury is absolutely still out on Skjei.......Alex Kovalev was the last truly electric offensive player we drafted.
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In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.


Interesting.....

If you look back a little bit, you'll see that Steady Eddie mentioned the 2015 draft, then the comment was made how that draft was an 0 for. I just looked at the most recent drafts to see how well the Rangers drafted. Call it cherry picking ok.........

If you think 1 out of 25 is good, your crazy!

Never said everyone sucks, 24 of the players drafted not playing with the team says it all.


I said you cherry picked because your year range is conveniently bookended by 2012 on the back end (Skjei) and Andersson/Chytil on the front end (who already have 16 games NHL experience) so you just happened to pick the years the Rangers pushed for the Cup and traded most of their firsts and seconds away and those just happen to be the high picks, most likely to make an impact. Just a coincidence right.



Ok...

I actually didn't put in the 2017 draft because there's not enough info yet to say whether its a good or bad draft, just like this year..I am very hopeful for Chytil and Anderson.

Lets add in 2012 then since I conveniently left it out, Brady Skjei.... 2 out of 29 players drafted...BRAVO!!!! Unless you want to count Nieves of course.


The vast majority of players you draft will never play in the NHL, let alone for the team that drafted them. As I said before this is the norm for all teams and you are making it out like the Rangers are unique in this regard.

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Honestly think you guys have Rangers myopia, stemming from not following other organizations prospect systems. Look at another team that had similar record and success in that time period, LA Kings, draft from same years - 2013 to 2016

LA had 1 first rounder, 5 second rounders, 27 total players drafted. So already between the firsts and seconds, you would expect them to have more NHL players. Because they have a first and 5 seconds as opposed to no firsts, and 2 seconds (NYR)

Out of 27 players they have one legit NHLer in Adrian Kempe (first rounder), and two other guys in the AHL (43 career NHL games between the two guys) still in the system

Aside from Kempe, no other player has played even half a season of NHL hockey. Only 7 of the 27 players selected even have one NHL game experience.

Again, you can say things suck all you want, that doesn't make it true. Look around the league at teams in similar competitive situations and you'll see this, but if you only look at Rangers drafts of course you'd think they suck, because you lack the context of how every other team drafts. Some are a little better, some are a little worse, but the Rangers are not any worse than average in this regard. Some of their misses were more glaring and that's probably where some of this comes from, but their drafting record when you look at it overall, is at least as good as other teams in the same situation.




And they won the SC twice recently


Exactly, which is one of the reasons I chose them. In 13-16 they, like the Rangers, were one of the top teams in the league, so they would have similar motivations (win now) and draft positions. And similarly, their draft rate over this time period is similar.

Not that hard to follow.
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Posted 2018-08-07 2:29 PM (#708552 - in reply to #708308)
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I promise you that this isn't my intention...

I don't care about how other teams draft, I'm a Ranger fan, I only care how they draft!!
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concust - 2018-08-07 3:10 PM

Honestly think you guys have Rangers myopia, stemming from not following other organizations prospect systems. Look at another team that had similar record and success in that time period, LA Kings, draft from same years - 2013 to 2016

LA had 1 first rounder, 5 second rounders, 27 total players drafted. So already between the firsts and seconds, you would expect them to have more NHL players. Because they have a first and 5 seconds as opposed to no firsts, and 2 seconds (NYR)

Out of 27 players they have one legit NHLer in Adrian Kempe (first rounder), and two other guys in the AHL (43 career NHL games between the two guys) still in the system

Aside from Kempe, no other player has played even half a season of NHL hockey. Only 7 of the 27 players selected even have one NHL game experience.

Again, you can say things suck all you want, that doesn't make it true. Look around the league at teams in similar competitive situations and you'll see this, but if you only look at Rangers drafts of course you'd think they suck, because you lack the context of how every other team drafts. Some are a little better, some are a little worse, but the Rangers are not any worse than average in this regard. Some of their misses were more glaring and that's probably where some of this comes from, but their drafting record when you look at it overall, is at least as good as other teams in the same situation.




And they won the SC twice recently


Exactly, which is one of the reasons I chose them. In 13-16 they, like the Rangers, were one of the top teams in the league, so they would have similar motivations (win now) and draft positions. And similarly, their draft rate over this time period is similar.

Not that hard to follow.

Yeah but we botched our drafts and couldnt build a Kings team like they did....and made many bad trades
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I promise you that this isn't my intention...

I don't care about how other teams draft, I'm a Ranger fan, I only care how they draft!!

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I promise you that this isn't my intention...

I don't care about how other teams draft, I'm a Ranger fan, I only care how they draft!!


That does not change the fact that your expectations are unreasonable.
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I promise you that this isn't my intention...

I don't care about how other teams draft, I'm a Ranger fan, I only care how they draft!!


That does not change the fact that your expectations are unreasonable.
Isn't that the Ranger way?
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I promise you that this isn't my intention...

I don't care about how other teams draft, I'm a Ranger fan, I only care how they draft!!


That does not change the fact that your expectations are unreasonable.


What exactly are my expectations??

I don't remember stating what I expected....

Do I expect more than 2 players out of 29 drafted to make it? Yes I do, if thats unreasonable, please tell me what is reasonable.
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Sureshore accused me of saying something I didnt also...its a forum establishment thing I guess


Yeah I don't think he's accusing me of saying something I didn't say. He just thinks me expecting more than 2 players from 5 drafts is unreasonable...

I guess if my leadoff hitter was batting .050 it would be unreasonable for me to expect more.
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Serious question. How do you guys factor in that the Rangers had no 1st round picks for years due to trades, traded away other valuable picks going for it, and picked in rounds where the %'s are very small the players taken will be NHL players (across the league not just with the Rangers)?

Truth be told I think we have been at best middle of the road drafting wise, but to be fair you must compare them to teams that have had similar type picks and focus - going for it. To compare them to all teams with 1st round picks, and extra picks, and high picks is crazy. When looked at in a fair context the Rangers have been whatever in the draft.

But you know what...who cares really. I will say what I have said 100 times recently - to me it will ALL be about the 2017 and 2018 drafts (especially the 5 picks in the 1st round) for Clark. I really don't think we need to expand beyond that considering we are now in future looking mode and have 1st round picks for the first time in years. So all this other talk is window dressing really. Either Clark hits on a large majority of the boat load of very good picks we have made in 17 or 18, or he will be judged a failure and out the door. Very simple to me.


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Serious answer to a serious question.

Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.

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Del Zotto and Montoya were 1st round picks too
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First of all No 1st round picks due to BAD trades....It goes back way beyond Gordie....we are awful at drafting
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-07 7:14 PM

Sureshore accused me of saying something I didnt also...its a forum establishment thing I guess


Yeah I don't think he's accusing me of saying something I didn't say. He just thinks me expecting more than 2 players from 5 drafts is unreasonable...

I guess if my leadoff hitter was batting .050 it would be unreasonable for me to expect more.

hahaha yep I guess they never heard of Rickey Henderson
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 4:29 PM

I promise you that this isn't my intention...

I don't care about how other teams draft, I'm a Ranger fan, I only care how they draft!!


That does not change the fact that your expectations are unreasonable.


What exactly are my expectations??

I don't remember stating what I expected....

Do I expect more than 2 players out of 29 drafted to make it? Yes I do, if thats unreasonable, please tell me what is reasonable.


So we are supposed to believe that you do not know how to value draft picks? Maybe you should read the the following article:
https://www.tsn.ca/statistically-speaking-nhl-draft-pick-values-1.11...

While the draft may have not met your standards, somehow, there are a bunch of Rangers who, magically, have never played for another NHL team and where not drafted by the Rangers.
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According to your source, picks 32-72 have a better chance of making it than the last pick of the 1st round......

And, pick 23 has a better chance than the 11th pick.....

Cant make this stuff up!
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-08 7:10 AM

According to your source, picks 32-72 have a better chance of making it than the last pick of the 1st round......

And, pick 23 has a better chance than the 11th pick.....

Cant make this stuff up!


You have to consider not only the ordinal value of the pick but also the situation they're getting drafted into. Last pick of first round is going to the Cup winner, a team who already has their top 6 figured out and are hoping to simply slow attrition. That's a tough roster for a kid to break into. The first pick of the second round is going to a team who is terrible, has a lot of borderline NHL players who are vulnerable to having their jobs taken by a kid who has even marginal NHL talent, because he's younger, costs less, and has higher potential.

So yeah I'm not at all surprised that the second kid is being put in a better position to get NHL success and succeed, than the first kid, even if the first kid is "drafted higher."
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23 vs 11 is a tougher one to explain. I don't have a possible explanation for that one. Might just be one of those anomalies. It's still a small sample size, as even 1990-2014 is only 24 data points at pick 11 and 24 data points at pick 23. That's not huge so a couple of misses at #11 and a couple of hits at #23 could explain that.
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23 vs 11 is a tougher one to explain. I don't have a possible explanation for that one. Might just be one of those anomalies. It's still a small sample size, as even 1990-2014 is only 24 data points at pick 11 and 24 data points at pick 23. That's not huge so a couple of misses at #11 and a couple of hits at #23 could explain that.


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concust - 2018-08-08 9:24 AM

23 vs 11 is a tougher one to explain. I don't have a possible explanation for that one. Might just be one of those anomalies. It's still a small sample size, as even 1990-2014 is only 24 data points at pick 11 and 24 data points at pick 23. That's not huge so a couple of misses at #11 and a couple of hits at #23 could explain that.




Statistics aside I'd still rather pick at 11 than 23.
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Sureshore accused me of saying something I didnt also...its a forum establishment thing I guess


Fake News (to quote your favorite president)!

There's a whole lot of posts by you on the Kravtsev thread critical of Shestorkyin for signing on for 3 more years in KHL rather than playing in the Rangers system.

I guess our dear leader is setting the trend for trying to make us not believe what our own eyes and ears are telling us.

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Mikey Red - 2018-08-07 9:14 PM

Sureshore accused me of saying something I didnt also...its a forum establishment thing I guess


Fake News (to quote your favorite president)!

There's a whole lot of posts by you on the Kravtsev thread critical of Shestorkyin for signing on for 3 more years in KHL rather than playing in the Rangers system.

I guess our dear leader is setting the trend for trying to make us not believe what our own eyes and ears are telling us.


I have never said it was the FO fault for Shesty staying over there...which is what you said that I said.....You need new glasses...MAGA and MRGA
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-07 9:14 PM

Sureshore accused me of saying something I didnt also...its a forum establishment thing I guess


Fake News (to quote your favorite president)!

There's a whole lot of posts by you on the Kravtsev thread critical of Shestorkyin for signing on for 3 more years in KHL rather than playing in the Rangers system.

I guess our dear leader is setting the trend for trying to make us not believe what our own eyes and ears are telling us.



"Trying to make us not believe what our own eyes and ears are telling us"

Sounds like what every president in my lifetime has done
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sureshore - 2018-08-08 1:58 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-07 9:14 PM

Sureshore accused me of saying something I didnt also...its a forum establishment thing I guess


Fake News (to quote your favorite president)!

There's a whole lot of posts by you on the Kravtsev thread critical of Shestorkyin for signing on for 3 more years in KHL rather than playing in the Rangers system.

I guess our dear leader is setting the trend for trying to make us not believe what our own eyes and ears are telling us.



"Trying to make us not believe what our own eyes and ears are telling us"

Sounds like what every president in my lifetime has done

hahaha
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Who the Rangers pick in the draft is always puzzling to me. They say they are going after the player that best fits their needs, not the best player available. Then when they draft a goalie in the 2nd round, they say he was the best player available. Let's face it, their track record in the first round is not very good. I will give them a pass in some years like 2004 (Montoya), because there wasn't much of a talent pool. The worst was the Jessiman pick, because of what they passed on. Again, they were going after the Keith Primeau type, not the best available player. The big difference was, Primeau knew how to skate. When you look at the stats of the 2003 first round players, it's embarrassing. I marvel at why Sather still has a job with us.

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Lol yep 2003 1st round has Hall of Famers in it.....We took the kid from Dartmouth College...who just started playing hockey....Supposedly Renney was all over Jessiman...marvel is an understatement
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Jessiman was on Tom Renneys watch a guy hired as Director of Player Personell with very little experience in that end of things. He was a coach who worked his way up to Kamloops in the WHL when Kamloops had one of the best organizations going. Coaches in the WHL do very little recruiting if any, they coach what the team scouting staff and GM put in front of him. Kamloops had a excellent feeder system and scouting staff. Truly a flagship franchise in those days.
Onwards and upwards to the NHL for the start of a coaching career in Vancouver. And then Glen Sather hires him to run the Rangers amateur scouting and entry draft. A guy with hardly any experience in the role. What could go wrong? Hugh Jessiman. And then hired to coach the Rangers before Jessiman showed his colours. Was very happy when he finally got the punt.

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Rranger - 2018-08-09 12:40 AM

Jessiman was on Tom Renneys watch a guy hired as Director of Player Personell with very little experience in that end of things. He was a coach who worked his way up to Kamloops in the WHL when Kamloops had one of the best organizations going. Coaches in the WHL do very little recruiting if any, they coach what the team scouting staff and GM put in front of him. Kamloops had a excellent feeder system and scouting staff. Truly a flagship franchise in those days.
Onwards and upwards to the NHL for the start of a coaching career in Vancouver. And then Glen Sather hires him to run the Rangers amateur scouting and entry draft. A guy with hardly any experience in the role. What could go wrong? Hugh Jessiman. And then hired to coach the Rangers before Jessiman showed his colours. Was very happy when he finally got the punt.

Truly insane!...Dartmouth College
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 7:04 PM

Serious answer to a serious question.

Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.




You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.
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Who the Rangers pick in the draft is always puzzling to me. They say they are going after the player that best fits their needs, not the best player available. Then when they draft a goalie in the 2nd round, they say he was the best player available. Let's face it, their track record in the first round is not very good. I will give them a pass in some years like 2004 (Montoya), because there wasn't much of a talent pool. The worst was the Jessiman pick, because of what they passed on. Again, they were going after the Keith Primeau type, not the best available player. The big difference was, Primeau knew how to skate. When you look at the stats of the 2003 first round players, it's embarrassing. I marvel at why Sather still has a job with us.





Its almost like the Rangers want to shock the pundits on draft day.
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 7:04 PM

Serious answer to a serious question.

Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.




You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.

Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......

There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".

But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.

Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.

Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?
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Jessiman was a horrendous pick...how do you draft him when he plays at F'n Dartmouth and just started playing the game a few years ago? And knowing all that you know about all the players eligible to pick that year? Mclrath was called a "project" on draft night..#10 pick......Sanguinetti was a disaster too. Del Zotto was a bust...JT Miller was a underachiever....not a top 6 forward... We dont let it go because you can go back a long time and see all the misses and 4th line scrubs we draft
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And if you want to make the point we had no 1's last few years...You have to say that is horrendous team management ...a #1 plus 2 top 9 forwards for Nash....2 #1's and a top 6 forward for 38 yr old MSL...a #1 plus a good prospect and a D man for Yandle....People should get fired for body of work like that
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-09 10:48 AM

Jessiman was a horrendous pick...how do you draft him when he plays at F'n Dartmouth and just started playing the game a few years ago? And knowing all that you know about all the players eligible to pick that year? Mclrath was called a "project" on draft night..#10 pick......Sanguinetti was a disaster too. Del Zotto was a bust...JT Miller was a underachiever....not a top 6 forward... We dont let it go because you can go back a long time and see all the misses and 4th line scrubs we draft


No one is defending the Jessiman pick, so you are basically arguing with yourself. Same with McIlrath...so whats your point? To keep saying they were awful picks when no one disputes that?

As for the others you mentioned, at the time they were drafted, no one had negative stuff to say.....as they were good prospects that were regarded as first rounders, and you hoped they would develop into solid NHL players.....some did, some didn't....that's the crapshoot.
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-09 11:00 AM

And if you want to make the point we had no 1's last few years...You have to say that is horrendous team management ...a #1 plus 2 top 9 forwards for Nash....2 #1's and a top 6 forward for 38 yr old MSL...a #1 plus a good prospect and a D man for Yandle....People should get fired for body of work like that


Horrendous team management? Those deals were responsible for achieving a high level of sustained success, you have to give to get.

But doesn't this contradict your assessment of how the front office has success with drafts? 2 top 9 forwards for Nash? Both Anisimov & Dubie were drafted by the team....pretty good drafting there, huh? The good prospect in the Yandle deal? (Duclair)....seems they drafted him too. Top 6 forward for St. Louis? Callahan was another of those successful draft picks that you claim they cant make. You cried when they let Hags go (you still cant grasp that reality)....wasn't he a draft pick too?

So what is it....you want to cherry pick the non hall of fame first rounders? Go ahead and keep preaching that Jessiman was the horrible pick he was....keep moaning about how they took McIlrath (I'd bet you loved that pick when it happened). Want to point out the first round busts....fine...and keep lamenting over that if it makes you feel good (which nothing this team does seems to do for you). Wanna claim that they are horrible at drafting? Well, that is just blatantly false.
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I talk of the premium picks...and look what happens...we get success in the lower rounds which is great....then we blow it up and give away the # 1's to replace those assets....awful......Duby was the last Ranger pick of the 2nd round in 2004...they had 4 #2's that draft....I loved Duby but the other 3 #2's were never weres ....Cally was a 4th round pick...home run there too ....Gordie did not pick either of those guys....We also had 2 #1's that years....Montoya and Korpakaski....fail.....Artie was a good 2nd rounder in 2006...should of kept him...but he was the only 1 of 7 picks that made it...Hags was a 6th rounder in 2007...home run...only one of 6 to make it ...loved him...was a good Ranger...we gave him away for free...but he was not a top 6 forward....Yes we have picked some winners...but our premium pick record is terrible...For every guy that does make it there is a Lee Felardeau, Darin Oliver, Ivan Baranka, Dane Byers, Bruce Graham, Antoine LaFleur, Ethan Werek that doesnt make it
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Dustin Brown very next pick after Hugh...Claude Giroux very next pick after Sanginetti ....Jordan Eberle 2 picks after Del Zotto...and John Carlsson a few picks later...After McLrath there is plenty to throw up to see what they passed on....Yes its a crap shoot but come on....even in 2003 TV said the draft was not the Rangers strong sui....right before they picked Hugh...and Sathers interview right after was priceless...You could tell he had no idea who he just picked lol
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Posted 2018-08-09 12:00 PM (#708602 - in reply to #708592)
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Serious answer to a serious question.

Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.




You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.

Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......

There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".

But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.

Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.

Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?




You should stick to rating hot dogs or just stop with your BS. There is a reason the Rangers were able to trade up in that draft. 1) it was a sh/t draft after the Sedins and everyone knew it except a desperate Neil Smith and apparently you. Which doesn’t suprise me you never having had much useful to say on here anyways.
And now your spouting off for pretty much every single single person who knew anything about the sport at the time blabbing they had the best draft of any team. Well made up very informative BS. Read some scouting reports on your boy he was a dog, you know like ke the hot dogs you know so much about. There is a reason teams trade down from top picks and it ain’t because they think a fourth overall pick is a great player.
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Posted 2018-08-09 12:17 PM (#708603 - in reply to #708602)
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Serious answer to a serious question.

Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.




You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.

Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......

There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".

But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.

Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.

Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?




You should stick to rating hot dogs or just stop with your BS. There is a reason the Rangers were able to trade up in that draft. 1) it was a sh/t draft after the Sedins and everyone knew it except a desperate Neil Smith and apparently you. Which doesn’t suprise me you never having had much useful to say on here anyways.
And now your spouting off for pretty much every single single person who knew anything about the sport at the time blabbing they had the best draft of any team. Well made up very informative BS. Read some scouting reports on your boy he was a dog, you know like ke the hot dogs you know so much about. There is a reason teams trade down from top picks and it ain’t because they think a fourth overall pick is a great player.


Ah yes, the famous hot dog article. You must be one of those cool guys who read it and figured that was the case prior to him being drafted...or rated to be drafted. So witty.

Yep...everyone apparently knew it....everyone.....including you for sure. You're one of those guys who will tell us now how much Apple stock he bought when it was first offered, right?

You are an all-pro at the Monday Morning Quarterbacking thing....here's a hot dog for you.
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Posted 2018-08-09 12:39 PM (#708604 - in reply to #708592)
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Serious answer to a serious question.

Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.




You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.

Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......

There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".

But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.

Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.

Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?



Because, this:

RoundNum.Drafted ByPlayerPosDrafted FromGPGAPtsPIMLast Season
            
112NY RangersHugh JessimanRDartmouth College [ECAC]200052010-11
113Los AngelesDustin BrownRGuelph Storm [OHL]10452603075676542017-18
114ChicagoBrent SeabrookDLethbridge Hurricanes [WHL]1004953374326122017-18
115NY IslandersRobert NilssonCLeksands IF [SEL]2523781118902009-10
116San JoseSteve BernierRMoncton Wildcats [QMJHL]6371051252303002017-18
117New JerseyZach PariseLU. of North Dakota [WCHA]8723333526853442017-18
118WashingtonEric FehrCBrandon Wheat Kings [WHL]5801061002061872017-18
119AnaheimRyan GetzlafCCalgary Hitmen [WHL]9172476288757722017-18
120MinnesotaBrent BurnsDBrampton Battalion [OHL]9611823845666172017-18
121BostonMark StuartDColorado College [WCHA]6732667937222016-17
122EdmontonMarc-Antoine PouliotCRimouski Oceanic [QMJHL]192213657762011-12
123VancouverRyan KeslerCOhio State University [CCHA]9412533125658762017-18
124PhiladelphiaMike RichardsCKitchener Rangers [OHL]7491813064875852015-16
125FloridaAnthony StewartRKingston Frontenacs [OHL]2622744711232011-12
126Los AngelesBrian BoyleCSt. Sebastian's [Mass. H.S.]693106861925332017-18
127Los AngelesJeff TambelliniRU. of Michigan [CCHA]242273663882010-11
128AnaheimCorey PerryRLondon Knights [OHL]95736640076610832017-18
129OttawaPatrick EavesRBoston College [H-East]6261321102422062017-18
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Posted 2018-08-09 12:57 PM (#708610 - in reply to #708308)
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might be the single greatest 1st round in NHL draft history....We didnt even swing...we looked at 3 straight fastballs down the middle.....The you can say maybe the best draft in NHL history and we managed to produce Nigel Dawes for 121 games
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Posted 2018-08-09 12:59 PM (#708611 - in reply to #708604)
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Mandar - 2018-08-09 10:34 AM<br /><br />
Rranger - 2018-08-09 9:52 AM<br /><br />
Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 7:04 PM<br /><br />Serious answer to a serious question.<br /><br />Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.
<br /><br /><br /><br />You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.
<br />Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......<br /><br />There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".<br /><br />But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.<br /><br />Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.<br /><br />Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?
<br /><br /></p><p>Because, this


Oh, I understand......but we even let the trades of Ratelle & Park go (although I still have bitterness at Francis for that)...same for Hodge for Middleton.....and this was a draft pick.

I wonder if we even took any of those other guys...would that pick have panned out for us as much as it did for the team that drafted him.

Edited by Mandar 2018-08-09 1:01 PM
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Posted 2018-08-09 1:03 PM (#708612 - in reply to #708603)
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Serious answer to a serious question.

Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.




You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.

Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......

There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".

But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.

Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.

Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?




You should stick to rating hot dogs or just stop with your BS. There is a reason the Rangers were able to trade up in that draft. 1) it was a sh/t draft after the Sedins and everyone knew it except a desperate Neil Smith and apparently you. Which doesn’t suprise me you never having had much useful to say on here anyways.
And now your spouting off for pretty much every single single person who knew anything about the sport at the time blabbing they had the best draft of any team. Well made up very informative BS. Read some scouting reports on your boy he was a dog, you know like ke the hot dogs you know so much about. There is a reason teams trade down from top picks and it ain’t because they think a fourth overall pick is a great player.


Ah yes, the famous hot dog article. You must be one of those cool guys who read it and figured that was the case prior to him being drafted...or rated to be drafted. So witty.

Yep...everyone apparently knew it....everyone.....including you for sure. You're one of those guys who will tell us now how much Apple stock he bought when it was first offered, right?

You are an all-pro at the Monday Morning Quarterbacking thing....here's a hot dog for you.






You continue to show your stupidity Oscar. Google Pavel Brendl there is a picture of a mutt beside him could be you or might be what he was described as. “EVERYONE said they had a great draft” that was a good one, worthy of the other peoples quotes you like on your, look at me signature. You would be so proud having that on there. A gem you thought up all by yourself.
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Posted 2018-08-09 2:37 PM (#708613 - in reply to #708612)
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Posted 2018-08-09 2:50 PM (#708614 - in reply to #708613)
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Hear Ye!!! Hear Ye!!!

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You aint even a Ranger fan
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Posted 2018-08-09 2:56 PM (#708615 - in reply to #708612)
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You continue to show your stupidity Oscar. Google Pavel Brendl there is a picture of a mutt beside him could be you or might be what he was described as. “EVERYONE said they had a great draft” that was a good one, worthy of the other peoples quotes you like on your, look at me signature. You would be so proud having that on there. A gem you thought up all by yourself.


Here you go Nancy.....

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=AKxsW-38H4uYsQXB1LjwCg&q=...


Don't see any mutt there....you must be incorrect....or maybe you just needed to read something else. Soooo....looks like you were the one wrong....but keep giving it a good try. Maybe one day that shine box will pay off for you.
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Posted 2018-08-09 3:57 PM (#708616 - in reply to #708611)
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Serious answer to a serious question.

Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.




You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.

Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......

There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".

But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.

Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.

Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?



Because, this


Oh, I understand......but we even let the trades of Ratelle & Park go (although I still have bitterness at Francis for that)...same for Hodge for Middleton.....and this was a draft pick.

I wonder if we even took any of those other guys...would that pick have panned out for us as much as it did for the team that drafted him.


I was pointing more towards the Sather era, and even though he is no longer the GM, he’s the President and must have a say, because they keep making questionable draft picks. What grade would you put on the Rangers draft picks in this Sather era?

Yes, and if they pick Getzlaf instead of Jessiman, with our luck, he probably would have gotten killed in a car crash on the Taconic.
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Posted 2018-08-09 4:12 PM (#708618 - in reply to #708308)
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Posted 2018-08-09 4:59 PM (#708619 - in reply to #708615)
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You continue to show your stupidity Oscar. Google Pavel Brendl there is a picture of a mutt beside him could be you or might be what he was described as. “EVERYONE said they had a great draft” that was a good one, worthy of the other peoples quotes you like on your, look at me signature. You would be so proud having that on there. A gem you thought up all by yourself.


Here you go Nancy.....

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=AKxsW-38H4uYsQXB1LjwCg&q=...


Don't see any mutt there....you must be incorrect....or maybe you just needed to read something else. Soooo....looks like you were the one wrong....but keep giving it a good try. Maybe one day that shine box will pay off for you.




Shoe shine box that’s old even for a putz like you. Of course you are probably a expert in all areas of management of your stand.
Now listen closely bozo about half way down the google page you posted (by the way tell your mom thanks for helping you) is this under the elite prospects page.



“”A Czech forward with an impressive sniper instinct. Pavel Brendl has a good release and is usually at the right place in the right moment. Defensively Brendl is below average and his work ethic has been questioned as well.””

Neil Smith should have read it and so should have you. Because now you look even dumber telling us all how great he was and this is your proof. I can’t make this up you actually did that. Put that in your signature also and you’ve had quite a day.

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Posted 2018-08-09 6:56 PM (#708620 - in reply to #708616)
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Rranger - 2018-08-09 9:52 AM<br /><br />
Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 7:04 PM<br /><br />Serious answer to a serious question.<br /><br />Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.
<br /><br /><br /><br />You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.
<br />Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......<br /><br />There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".<br /><br />But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.<br /><br />Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.<br /><br />Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?
<br /><br /></p><p>Because, this


Oh, I understand......but we even let the trades of Ratelle & Park go (although I still have bitterness at Francis for that)...same for Hodge for Middleton.....and this was a draft pick.

I wonder if we even took any of those other guys...would that pick have panned out for us as much as it did for the team that drafted him.


I was pointing more towards the Sather era, and even though he is no longer the GM, he’s the President and must have a say, because they keep making questionable draft picks. What grade would you put on the Rangers draft picks in this Sather era?

Yes, and if they pick Getzlaf instead of Jessiman, with our luck, he probably would have gotten killed in a car crash on the Taconic.


Just a note on Sather. He didn't even know who Hank was when they drafted him. One of the best ever picks by the Rangers, and the GM didn't know a thing about him
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Posted 2018-08-09 7:36 PM (#708621 - in reply to #708308)
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Posted 2018-08-09 7:38 PM (#708622 - in reply to #708619)
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You continue to show your stupidity Oscar. Google Pavel Brendl there is a picture of a mutt beside him could be you or might be what he was described as. “EVERYONE said they had a great draft” that was a good one, worthy of the other peoples quotes you like on your, look at me signature. You would be so proud having that on there. A gem you thought up all by yourself.


Here you go Nancy.....

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=AKxsW-38H4uYsQXB1LjwCg&q=...


Don't see any mutt there....you must be incorrect....or maybe you just needed to read something else. Soooo....looks like you were the one wrong....but keep giving it a good try. Maybe one day that shine box will pay off for you.




Shoe shine box that’s old even for a putz like you. Of course you are probably a expert in all areas of management of your stand.
Now listen closely bozo about half way down the google page you posted (by the way tell your mom thanks for helping you) is this under the elite prospects page.



“”A Czech forward with an impressive sniper instinct. Pavel Brendl has a good release and is usually at the right place in the right moment. Defensively Brendl is below average and his work ethic has been questioned as well.””

Neil Smith should have read it and so should have you. Because now you look even dumber telling us all how great he was and this is your proof. I can’t make this up you actually did that. Put that in your signature also and you’ve had quite a day.


https://youtu.be/Wc18xt5wQnk
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Posted 2018-08-09 9:27 PM (#708623 - in reply to #708618)
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Hahahaha Eddie...Eddie.... Is there a grade lower than F?


Realistically, I think he deserves a D, and that’s only because of Lundqvist. Otherwise, definitely an F.

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You continue to show your stupidity Oscar. Google Pavel Brendl there is a picture of a mutt beside him could be you or might be what he was described as. “EVERYONE said they had a great draft” that was a good one, worthy of the other peoples quotes you like on your, look at me signature. You would be so proud having that on there. A gem you thought up all by yourself.


Here you go Nancy.....

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=AKxsW-38H4uYsQXB1LjwCg&q=...


Don't see any mutt there....you must be incorrect....or maybe you just needed to read something else. Soooo....looks like you were the one wrong....but keep giving it a good try. Maybe one day that shine box will pay off for you.




Shoe shine box that’s old even for a putz like you. Of course you are probably a expert in all areas of management of your stand.
Now listen closely bozo about half way down the google page you posted (by the way tell your mom thanks for helping you) is this under the elite prospects page.



“”A Czech forward with an impressive sniper instinct. Pavel Brendl has a good release and is usually at the right place in the right moment. Defensively Brendl is below average and his work ethic has been questioned as well.””

Neil Smith should have read it and so should have you. Because now you look even dumber telling us all how great he was and this is your proof. I can’t make this up you actually did that. Put that in your signature also and you’ve had quite a day.





I didn't see the mutt you told me would be there....hmmmmmmmm. You advised to: "Google Pavel Brendl there is a picture of a mutt beside him"......and the link was to show that you were incorrect.


And you must show me where I touted the greatness of this player.....I maintained that he was a highly thought of player in that draft, and that the Rangers were complimented on the draft they had at that time. Unfortunately, that draft turned out to be quite disappointing. Yes, yes, we know you had your little crystal ball out (even back then) and was screaming to the masses not to draft any of them. You are quite the soothsayer indeed. How is it possible that with your obviously immense talent for prognostication that you are not one of those professional handicappers?

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Mandar - 2018-08-09 10:34 AM<br /><br />
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 7:04 PM<br /><br />Serious answer to a serious question.<br /><br />Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.
<br /><br /><br /><br />You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.
<br />Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......<br /><br />There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".<br /><br />But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.<br /><br />Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.<br /><br />Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?
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Oh, I understand......but we even let the trades of Ratelle & Park go (although I still have bitterness at Francis for that)...same for Hodge for Middleton.....and this was a draft pick.

I wonder if we even took any of those other guys...would that pick have panned out for us as much as it did for the team that drafted him.


I was pointing more towards the Sather era, and even though he is no longer the GM, he’s the President and must have a say, because they keep making questionable draft picks. What grade would you put on the Rangers draft picks in this Sather era?

Yes, and if they pick Getzlaf instead of Jessiman, with our luck, he probably would have gotten killed in a car crash on the Taconic.


Just a note on Sather. He didn't even know who Hank was when they drafted him. One of the best ever picks by the Rangers, and the GM didn't know a thing about him


He was a 7th round pick....205th overall. You could say pretty much the same thing about all the GM's at that time. How many 7th round picks in this years draft are well known (if at all) by their GM's?

Sather has certainly made some questionable decisions, but you cant criticize him for not knowing who Hank was at that time.
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 7:04 PM<br /><br />Serious answer to a serious question.<br /><br />Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.
<br /><br /><br /><br />You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.
<br />Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......<br /><br />There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".<br /><br />But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.<br /><br />Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.<br /><br />Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?
<br /><br /></p><p>Because, this


Oh, I understand......but we even let the trades of Ratelle & Park go (although I still have bitterness at Francis for that)...same for Hodge for Middleton.....and this was a draft pick.

I wonder if we even took any of those other guys...would that pick have panned out for us as much as it did for the team that drafted him.


I was pointing more towards the Sather era, and even though he is no longer the GM, he’s the President and must have a say, because they keep making questionable draft picks. What grade would you put on the Rangers draft picks in this Sather era?

Yes, and if they pick Getzlaf instead of Jessiman, with our luck, he probably would have gotten killed in a car crash on the Taconic.


Grades for his first rounders? not good at all...."D" would seem appropriate (could change if the last 2 years worth of picks pan out). But for all the picks that have panned out from the other rounds....and turned them into a contending team for a good amount of years? Gotta give his "braintrust" a solid "B" or higher for that.

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You continue to show your stupidity Oscar. Google Pavel Brendl there is a picture of a mutt beside him could be you or might be what he was described as. “EVERYONE said they had a great draft” that was a good one, worthy of the other peoples quotes you like on your, look at me signature. You would be so proud having that on there. A gem you thought up all by yourself.


Here you go Nancy.....

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=AKxsW-38H4uYsQXB1LjwCg&q=...


Don't see any mutt there....you must be incorrect....or maybe you just needed to read something else. Soooo....looks like you were the one wrong....but keep giving it a good try. Maybe one day that shine box will pay off for you.




Shoe shine box that’s old even for a putz like you. Of course you are probably a expert in all areas of management of your stand.
Now listen closely bozo about half way down the google page you posted (by the way tell your mom thanks for helping you) is this under the elite prospects page.



“”A Czech forward with an impressive sniper instinct. Pavel Brendl has a good release and is usually at the right place in the right moment. Defensively Brendl is below average and his work ethic has been questioned as well.””

Neil Smith should have read it and so should have you. Because now you look even dumber telling us all how great he was and this is your proof. I can’t make this up you actually did that. Put that in your signature also and you’ve had quite a day.





I didn't see the mutt you told me would be there....hmmmmmmmm. You advised to: "Google Pavel Brendl there is a picture of a mutt beside him"......and the link was to show that you were incorrect.


And you must show me where I touted the greatness of this player.....I maintained that he was a highly thought of player in that draft, and that the Rangers were complimented on the draft they had at that time. Unfortunately, that draft turned out to be quite disappointing. Yes, yes, we know you had your little crystal ball out (even back then) and was screaming to the masses not to draft any of them. You are quite the soothsayer indeed. How is it possible that with your obviously immense talent for prognostication that you are not one of those professional handicappers?





Well if telling you to google Pavel Brendl worked how bout, ah never mind, your so dense you probably would and liability laws and all, I better not tell you. Nowhere did I mention my personal opinion, but again your inability to follow a simple conversation veers you off in the, accuse the other poster of thinking he’s smarter than the scouts. Your typical distracting can’t stay on topic crap..
Your the one chirping about how everyone complemented the Rangers on their draft. Your basic pile of made up B.S. And again this is where you get all confused and your little shorts in a knot, whining because the conversation is about what’s gone on in the past. Of course it is, and has everything to do with second guessing, its what the conversation is about. If you don’t get that go back to ringette. And to try to prop up your ridiculousness with your pathetic crystal ball crap professional handicapper stuff is just sad.. This is all about “your” madeup everyone talked about the Rangers great draft beauty.
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I don't expect that every 1st round pick pans out.

I don't expect to find a franchise goalie in the 7th round.

And I definitely don't expect to draft the only and biggest dog in the first round.

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Just a sidenote...the organization's ability to evaluate young talent can be judged not only based on draft picks.
You got signing of undrafted players, college players, European guys...plus the trades where prospects are involved.

So to evaluate Clark's department, looking at premium picks might be too narrow of a view.
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I don't expect that every 1st round pick pans out.

I don't expect to find a franchise goalie in the 7th round.

And I definitely don't expect to draft the only and biggest dog in the first round.


How about 50% of the 1st rounders?
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Just a sidenote...the organization's ability to evaluate young talent can be judged not only based on draft picks.
You got signing of undrafted players, college players, European guys...plus the trades where prospects are involved.

So to evaluate Clark's department, looking at premium picks might be too narrow of a view.

The draft is the one guaranteed way you have to build a team
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Yes, and if they pick Getzlaf instead of Jessiman, with our luck, he probably would have gotten killed in a car crash on the Taconic.

Getting killed in a car crash on the Taconic is a very real possibility lol ....My 1st time on that road going North in the late 90's bringing my Yellow Lab puppy to the Vet....I was like Holy Chit this is a death trap....rock walls on both sides of the road with NO margin for error lol
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 7:04 PM<br /><br />Serious answer to a serious question.<br /><br />Lundmark, Jessiman, Korpakoski, Sanguetti, McLrath were all #1 picks. And apparently if you're hoping for just 2 of the 5 first round picks this year and last to make it, well then you are unreasonable.
<br /><br /><br /><br />You forget the immortal Pavel Brendl.
<br />Now that is where the Monday Morning Quarterbacking starts......<br /><br />There is no defending he Jessiman or McIlrath picks....at the time of their drafts, they were also noted as "reaches".<br /><br />But the Brendl & Lundmark draft? Pretty much every single person who knew anything about the sport at the time was saying that they had the best draft of any team, and the Rangers received compliments from all the pundits. There was no questioning at the time of the other first rounders that have been mentioned....and they were not declared to be "busts" until well after (which can be said about most teams, I'm sure). This is why the draft is pretty much a crap shoot.<br /><br />Most think that Cherepanov would have been a star or close to it, right? But he could have been the second coming of Stefan Cherneski. Sadly, we will never know.....but you always hope that they pan out.<br /><br />Also....that Jessiman draft was 15 years ago....when does everyone let it go?
<br /><br /></p><p>Because, this


Oh, I understand......but we even let the trades of Ratelle & Park go (although I still have bitterness at Francis for that)...same for Hodge for Middleton.....and this was a draft pick.

I wonder if we even took any of those other guys...would that pick have panned out for us as much as it did for the team that drafted him.


I was pointing more towards the Sather era, and even though he is no longer the GM, he’s the President and must have a say, because they keep making questionable draft picks. What grade would you put on the Rangers draft picks in this Sather era?

Yes, and if they pick Getzlaf instead of Jessiman, with our luck, he probably would have gotten killed in a car crash on the Taconic.

Getting killed in a car crash on the Taconic is a very real possibility lol ....My 1st time on that road going North in the late 90's bringing my Yellow Lab puppy to the Vet....I was like Holy Chit this is a death trap....rock walls on both sides of the road with NO margin for error lol
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You aint even a Ranger fan


Says you? Ha ha ha!!!

the fact remains:

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I don't expect that every 1st round pick pans out.

I don't expect to find a franchise goalie in the 7th round.

And I definitely don't expect to draft the only and biggest dog in the first round.


How about 50% of the 1st rounders?


Marc Staal
Bobby Sanguinetti
Alex Cherepanov
MDZ
Chris Kreiider
Dylan McIlrath
JT Miller
Brady Skjei
Filip Chytil
Lias Andersson

Those are the last 10 first rounders not including this year's. Chytil and Andersson aren't proven yet, but they're certainly not busts.... that title can be given to 3.... 30% of the past 10 first rounders can be considered busts.

Cherepanov would probably be the best NHLer of all of them, but that's still 60% success rate.

We.could go back further in our draft history to try to make your 50% claim true, but I like the results lately.
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Hear Ye!!! Hear Ye!!!

THE HORSE IS DEAD!!!!!

I repeat:

THE HORSE IS DEAD!!!!


You aint even a Ranger fan


Says you? Ha ha ha!!!

the fact remains:

THE HORSE IS STILL DEAD!!!

You hate Nash...you hate every player...You even hate the goal song...and you love the Habs
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I don't expect that every 1st round pick pans out.

I don't expect to find a franchise goalie in the 7th round.

And I definitely don't expect to draft the only and biggest dog in the first round.


How about 50% of the 1st rounders?


Marc Staal
Bobby Sanguinetti
Alex Cherepanov
MDZ
Chris Kreiider
Dylan McIlrath
JT Miller
Brady Skjei
Filip Chytil
Lias Andersson

Those are the last 10 first rounders not including this year's. Chytil and Andersson aren't proven yet, but they're certainly not busts.... that title can be given to 3.... 30% of the past 10 first rounders can be considered busts.

Cherepanov would probably be the best NHLer of all of them, but that's still 60% success rate.

We.could go back further in our draft history to try to make your 50% claim true, but I like the results lately.

Yep.....It goes further back than that... Heatl and Lias are absolutely NOT a thumbs up yet....Let's hope....JT was not as good as his pick spot...he was not a top 6 forward...a playoff failure...and we got rid of him...fail....Brady Skjei I like but the jury absolutely is still out on him...He sucked last year...You correct everywhere else
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You cant say what Cherapanov could have been...you just cant...a lot of 1st round Russians out there that were NHL busts
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And the fact that we didnt have a 1st from 2013 to 2016 is bad team management...2 of those years we didnt have a #2 either
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Go back as far as the eye can see....Many NYR #1's have blanks in the stat column....Many only played a couple of seasons....Many ended up being 4th line scrubs....Kovalev was our last Home Run
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Hear Ye!!! Hear Ye!!!

THE HORSE IS DEAD!!!!!

I repeat:

THE HORSE IS DEAD!!!!


You aint even a Ranger fan


Says you? Ha ha ha!!!

the fact remains:

THE HORSE IS STILL DEAD!!!

You hate Nash...you hate every player...You even hate the goal song...and you love the Habs


So what if I hate Nash.....I didn't like JJ either (and that was BEFORE he got here.

You have no prove I hate every player

Goal song is atrocious.

Yes, I love the Habs...I also love the Rangers... what's the big deal.

None of this has anything to do with the fact that:

THE HORSE IS DEAD

Stop beating it.
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You cant have 2 favorite teams


Who said anything about favorites?
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You cant have 2 favorite teams

Says someone who claims to be a fan but constantly rips the team for everything and spreads doom-and-gloom all the time.

Let's just not tell people how they should or shouldn't be a fan or root for team(s) they love.

Deal?
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Yep.....It goes further back than that... Heatl and Lias are absolutely NOT a thumbs up yet....Let's hope....JT was not as good as his pick spot...he was not a top 6 forward...a playoff failure...and we got rid of him...fail....Brady Skjei I like but the jury absolutely is still out on him...He sucked last year...You correct everywhere else

Claim whatever you want about J. T. Miller.
I'm definitely not a fan of his.
But the facts are clear -- at the age of 25, he's got:
190 points in 360 regular season games
24 points in 57 playoff games
new 5-year contract worth 5.25 MM with modified NMC

Plus he was good enough to be put on loaded Tampa team's first line.

Is he a Karlsson caliber player? Heck no.
But he's right up there on this list if you take the post-lockout era:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/draft_by_pick.php?position=15

So overall, hardly an underachieving #15 overall pick.


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You cant have 2 favorite teams

Says someone who claims to be a fan but constantly rips the team for everything and spreads doom-and-gloom all the time.

Let's just not tell people how they should or shouldn't be a fan or root for team(s) they love.

Deal?

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I don't expect that every 1st round pick pans out.

I don't expect to find a franchise goalie in the 7th round.

And I definitely don't expect to draft the only and biggest dog in the first round.


How about 50% of the 1st rounders?


Marc Staal
Bobby Sanguinetti
Alex Cherepanov
MDZ
Chris Kreiider
Dylan McIlrath
JT Miller
Brady Skjei
Filip Chytil
Lias Andersson

Those are the last 10 first rounders not including this year's. Chytil and Andersson aren't proven yet, but they're certainly not busts.... that title can be given to 3.... 30% of the past 10 first rounders can be considered busts.

Cherepanov would probably be the best NHLer of all of them, but that's still 60% success rate.

We.could go back further in our draft history to try to make your 50% claim true, but I like the results lately.


MDZ is not a bust and its not even close.This guy is a full on 2nd/3rd pair NHL d-man.
As a Ranger - 292 games and 121 points
He brought back Kevin Klein in the trade
He is still playing in the NHL - 566 games, 211 points, career avg of 20:40 a night, just turned 28

and don't forget, McIlrath trashed his knee before he got to the Rangers


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I say what I said a few days ago, we are not the best drafting team and we are not the worst. We are middle of the road when you factor in many early picks traded going for it.

I'd also say let's focus on the Clark era. Going back years and years accomplishes what exactly...that the guys here before him had bad misses also...and are now gone. Okay...at some point you need to move forward and focus on the somewhat recent past and future.

Round and round we can go, but at days end Clark's legacy will be 95% tied to the 1st round picks we made in 2017 and 2018 (5 all in) and some of the other early picks we had in those two drafts. So we'll see over the next 2 or 3 seasons.





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I don't expect that every 1st round pick pans out.

I don't expect to find a franchise goalie in the 7th round.

And I definitely don't expect to draft the only and biggest dog in the first round.


How about 50% of the 1st rounders?


Marc Staal
Bobby Sanguinetti
Alex Cherepanov
MDZ
Chris Kreiider
Dylan McIlrath
JT Miller
Brady Skjei
Filip Chytil
Lias Andersson

Those are the last 10 first rounders not including this year's. Chytil and Andersson aren't proven yet, but they're certainly not busts.... that title can be given to 3.... 30% of the past 10 first rounders can be considered busts.

Cherepanov would probably be the best NHLer of all of them, but that's still 60% success rate.

We.could go back further in our draft history to try to make your 50% claim true, but I like the results lately.


MDZ is not a bust and its not even close.This guy is a full on 2nd/3rd pair NHL d-man.
As a Ranger - 292 games and 121 points
He brought back Kevin Klein in the trade
He is still playing in the NHL - 566 games, 211 points, career avg of 20:40 a night, just turned 28

and don't forget, McIlrath trashed his knee before he got to the Rangers

Del Zotto is 28 and on his 4th team already...Mclrath pick was criticized on the spot....Please share with us what you are smoking lol
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If you draft a kid with your #1's and you end up trading him he is a bust...If he is good you would not want to trade him under any circumstance....Your premium picks you hope their # hangs from the roof someday
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Go NYR - 2018-08-11 9:48 AM

I say what I said a few days ago, we are not the best drafting team and we are not the worst. We are middle of the road when you factor in many early picks traded going for it.

I'd also say let's focus on the Clark era. Going back years and years accomplishes what exactly...that the guys here before him had bad misses also...and are now gone. Okay...at some point you need to move forward and focus on the somewhat recent past and future.

Round and round we can go, but at days end Clark's legacy will be 95% tied to the 1st round picks we made in 2017 and 2018 (5 all in) and some of the other early picks we had in those two drafts. So we'll see over the next 2 or 3 seasons.




There is risking some future for going for it...then there is the Rangers who burn the future to the ground in going for it.
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If you draft a kid with your #1's and you end up trading him he is a bust...If he is good you would not want to trade him under any circumstance....Your premium picks you hope their # hangs from the roof someday


Edmonton Traded Gretzky my boy....Then they traded Messier......

Sometimes the great ones are traded because of the return..
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And............

I thought this horse was dead!!!
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Why out of all the sports that have a draft, hockey is the one that has the most misses by far?

They have the world to choose from....
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2013 thru 2016 no 1st round picks....and 2 of those years no #2 either....and look how we got there. Nash trade we gave up a #1....Cally trade we gave up 2 #1's....Yandle trade we gave up a #1....Eric Staal trade we gave up 2 #2's ....What GM doesnt get fired with that resume?
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 8:01 AM

If you draft a kid with your #1's and you end up trading him he is a bust...If he is good you would not want to trade him under any circumstance....Your premium picks you hope their # hangs from the roof someday


Edmonton Traded Gretzky my boy....Then they traded Messier......

Sometimes the great ones are traded because of the return..

True but Gretzky was sold more than traded
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-11 10:10 AM

Why out of all the sports that have a draft, hockey is the one that has the most misses by far?

They have the world to choose from....

Yep makes you wonder...
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Posted 2018-08-11 8:21 AM (#708663 - in reply to #708308)
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The Oil got more than a fair shake of service before they traded all those guys
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Posted 2018-08-11 8:33 AM (#708664 - in reply to #708308)
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Look at the Oils # 1 picks from 1984 to 1999....Sather....complete train wreck

https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/EDM/draft.html
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What the Oil DID do between 1978 and 1983 where they drafted absolute home runs....allowed them to make that crazy run to 1990 winning the SC 5 times is incredible....Then Sather got fat and you cant get on him for it....But he never got his magic back
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When the Rangers started trading top picks for Nash's ect they were swinging for the fence. I don't begrudge that, they got close and albeit for whats proved to be a blockhead coach, who knows what might have been. In hindsight Tortorella couldn't have done any worse.
The picks are what they are and subject to some scrutiny, with the theme the last few years of veering from the so called safe picks like Walstrom, Middlestadt ect. I think the scrutiny may be magnified in the coming years. Gorton has accumulated a lot of pieces and when you look at the Rangers top ten prospects, I don't think I've ever seen a better Rangers group on paper. But they all have issues, and not all will make it. no one knows where this goes for at least the next three training camps, and by then you will know who sticks and who doesn't. So Clark and company's expertise and abilities are still fluid and very much in play.
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I think we all agree,

Sather is terrible
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I don't understand the thought that if you're traded, you're a bust.... that's dumb. You have to give to get. JT was traded..... but he helped bring back Howden, Hajek, Namestnikov, Nils Lundkvist, and a 2nd rounder. We can pretend it was Namestnikov for Miller, and McD brought back the rest.... but that's not the case.

And yeah, Del Sucko IS a full time NHLer, so thanks for the correction. I was glad to see him go, but that doesn't make him a bust.

Nash isn't a bust because CBJ traded him.... Brassard and Zibanejad aren't busts. They were traded.

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I liked Miller but he was not a top 6 forward...and you cant put a check mark next to Howden, Hijak, Nils and the hopefully #1 yet...I would rather have Miller over Names tho...Del Zotto is not as good as where he was picked.....Nash played for 9 years with CBJ before they traded him so that is ok...proper time to unload him and they kicked our ass on that trade...I hope when Heatl blows up to be a star we trade him at the Tavares UFA situation time too....Jury is still out on Zib and for Ott to trade him says they didnt believe in him and took a much older player in return ....We robbed CBJ in that trade for Brassard
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-11 11:01 AM

I think we all agree,

Sather is terrible

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Heres a blast from the past I found lol and you cant blame Sather either

1999 Rangers Top prospects 1-5

5 Stefan Cherneski
4 Thomas Kloucek
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 5:27 PM

I liked Miller but he was not a top 6 forward...

I guess then the guys down in sunny Tampa are sniffing glue real hard because not only did they put him on the top 6, they slotted him on their first line.

Geez...what idiots.
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 5:27 PM

I liked Miller but he was not a top 6 forward...

I guess then the guys down in sunny Tampa are sniffing glue real hard because not only did they put him on the top 6, they slotted him on their first line.

Geez...what idiots.

Are you sure thats where he ended up? By the time TB season ended...Ondrej Pallate was on the top line and Miller went to line 3.....It also helps to play with Stamkos and Kucherov....same way it helped Gropp to play with Barzal in Juniors....Like I said I liked Miller and wished we kept him over Names but he was not a top 6 forward with us
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 8:34 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 5:27 PM

I liked Miller but he was not a top 6 forward...

I guess then the guys down in sunny Tampa are sniffing glue real hard because not only did they put him on the top 6, they slotted him on their first line.

Geez...what idiots.

Are you sure thats where he ended up? By the time TB season ended...Ondrej Pallate was on the top line and Miller went to line 3.....It also helps to play with Stamkos and Kucherov....same way it helped Gropp to play with Barzal in Juniors....Like I said I liked Miller and wished we kept him over Names but he was not a top 6 forward with us

Right. The guy had 58 points in 82 Games last season, good for 82nd place in the league in pts per game...despite playing big part of the season under AV on a pretty bad team.

I rest my case. You keep throwing your wisdom and truths at the hard facts I present.

Well then...Like your good friend and brave defender once said: it is what it is.

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DaTeL - 2018-08-11 3:02 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 8:34 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 5:27 PM

I liked Miller but he was not a top 6 forward...

I guess then the guys down in sunny Tampa are sniffing glue real hard because not only did they put him on the top 6, they slotted him on their first line.

Geez...what idiots.

Are you sure thats where he ended up? By the time TB season ended...Ondrej Pallate was on the top line and Miller went to line 3.....It also helps to play with Stamkos and Kucherov....same way it helped Gropp to play with Barzal in Juniors....Like I said I liked Miller and wished we kept him over Names but he was not a top 6 forward with us

Right. The guy had 58 points in 82 Games last season, good for 82nd place in the league in pts per game...despite playing big part of the season under AV on a pretty bad team.

I rest my case. You keep throwing your wisdom and truths at the hard facts I present.

Well then...Like your good friend and brave defender once said: it is what it is.


Why did we get rid of him then? he's 25
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Posted 2018-08-11 1:14 PM (#708682 - in reply to #708308)
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Posted 2018-08-11 1:16 PM (#708683 - in reply to #708308)
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You dont like Miller but you say he is a good player? which is it?
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Yes Miller had 58 points....40 points in 63 games with us and 18 points in 19 games with TB...hmmm what stands out here? Miller scored almost half his NYR points total with TB in less than 1/3 of the games...Thats a 52 pt pace with us and a 77 pt pace with them
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Posted 2018-08-11 2:45 PM (#708688 - in reply to #708308)
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Jesus Red, you must be miserable man...LOL. All you do is complain and knock everything about the Rangers. To each their own man, but how can you be a Rangers fan and just have such a negative view of everything related to the organization.

And please don't give me 4 cups in 91 years. That is absolutely true, we all got it, but to dwell on it and focus on the negative over and over and over and over and over again does what exactly? To live in the past does what exactly? To have page after page after page in this thread knocking year after year of drafts does what exactly? Going back years and years does what exactly?

Let's focus on finally doing things the right way. Adding picks, getting young players, staying that course this offseason, I would think adding more picks with Zucc and/or Hayes dealt this season. Then getting back at it next summer with a whole boat load of young assets and a plan to be back on top in the not too distant future. And yes the picks of Lias or Chytil and so on could be misses, but they also could be hits. Let's see how it plays out bro.

And BTW...I don't say any of this to start a battle, I am just busting your chops on the miserable Rangers existence you must have. Lighten up bro. Focus on the plan we appear to now have. Focus on a new coach. And I will also add the past 5 or 6 seasons prior to this past one were a great ride. We had a lot of good times. Won a lot of playoff series. We didn't win the cup, but I know I had fun and enjoyed the time sitting in the stands at many big playoff games.

I am hopeful we'll have another good run of seasons starting in the next 2 years or so.




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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 9:16 PM

You dont like Miller but you say he is a good player? which is it?

Says a lot about you that you think those two views are irreconcilable.

However, get your facts straight first. I did not say he is or is not a good player.
I'm just getting the kick out of your claim he ain't a top-6 player.
Which is obviously incorrect.
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DaTeL - 2018-08-11 5:08 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 9:16 PM

You dont like Miller but you say he is a good player? which is it?

Says a lot about you that you think those two views are irreconcilable.

However, get your facts straight first. I did not say he is or is not a good player.
I'm just getting the kick out of your claim he ain't a top-6 player.
Which is obviously incorrect.

Its not a claim Eurotrash girl....I gave you a lot to work with and you come up with this?
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Posted 2018-08-11 3:22 PM (#708692 - in reply to #708688)
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Go NYR - 2018-08-11 4:45 PM

Jesus Red, you must be miserable man...LOL. All you do is complain and knock everything about the Rangers. To each their own man, but how can you be a Rangers fan and just have such a negative view of everything related to the organization.

And please don't give me 4 cups in 91 years. That is absolutely true, we all got it, but to dwell on it and focus on the negative over and over and over and over and over again does what exactly? To live in the past does what exactly? To have page after page after page in this thread knocking year after year of drafts does what exactly? Going back years and years does what exactly?

Let's focus on finally doing things the right way. Adding picks, getting young players, staying that course this offseason, I would think adding more picks with Zucc and/or Hayes dealt this season. Then getting back at it next summer with a whole boat load of young assets and a plan to be back on top in the not too distant future. And yes the picks of Lias or Chytil and so on could be misses, but they also could be hits. Let's see how it plays out bro.

And BTW...I don't say any of this to start a battle, I am just busting your chops on the miserable Rangers existence you must have. Lighten up bro. Focus on the plan we appear to now have. Focus on a new coach. And I will also add the past 5 or 6 seasons prior to this past one were a great ride. We had a lot of good times. Won a lot of playoff series. We didn't win the cup, but I know I had fun and enjoyed the time sitting in the stands at many big playoff games.

I am hopeful we'll have another good run of seasons starting in the next 2 years or so.





Let me know when we are finally doing things the right way and we win the SC and I'll be happy....Sorry if it pisses me off when we dont win and do stupid things....oh and 4 SC in 91 years
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Posted 2018-08-11 3:26 PM (#708693 - in reply to #708308)
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So...either we win a cup or you will be miserable and complain about everything. Doesn't matter that we just came off a stretch of ECF runs and a SCF run, a lot of wins, a lot of playoff series wins. No doubt we have work to do, and no doubt winning the cup is the ultimate goal, but to be so miserable and knock everything because we haven't won one is a tough place to be as a fan. Enjoy the wins and the playoff runs we have made. If you cannot enjoy that then it is really tough to be a fan who has some happiness knowing how difficult it is to win a title.

100% winning the cup is the goal, and if we don't win the cup I won't truly be happy as a fan, but I also won't forget all the great times and wins we have had. All the fun I have had cheering as we won those big games/series. Those still happened, enjoy them a little bro.


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Go NYR - 2018-08-11 5:26 PM

So...either we win a cup or you will be miserable and complain about everything. Doesn't matter that we just came off a stretch of ECF runs and a SCF run, a lot of wins, a lot of playoff series wins. No doubt we have work to do, and no doubt winning the cup is the ultimate goal, but to be so miserable and knock everything because we haven't won one is a tough place to be as a fan. Enjoy the wins and the playoff runs we have made. If you cannot enjoy that then it is really tough to be a fan who has some happiness knowing how difficult it is to win a title.

100% winning the cup is the goal, and if we don't win the cup I won't truly be happy as a fan, but I also won't forget all the great times and wins we have had. All the fun I have had cheering as we won those big games/series. Those still happened, enjoy them a little bro.



Then you are ok with losing and ineptness?
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Posted 2018-08-11 3:33 PM (#708702 - in reply to #708308)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 11:20
Its not a claim Eurotrash girl....I gave you a lot to work with and you come up with this?

You gave nothing of the sort. Just opinions (wrong ones, that is) and claims.
And since you have nothing, you resort to name calling. Sad.

You can't even do that right, though. What are you 5? That's kindergarten trash talk.
Pitiful.

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No I am not okay with not winning a cup, but I am also not going to dismiss all the wins and playoff series wins we have had and act like they never happened and I never had those great nights.

Your last two statements actually sum up you POV perfectly, and show why you must be miserable as a "fan". You write losing and ineptness. I don't see the 5 or 6 year run we had prior to this past season (with ECF runs and a SCF run) as losing and ineptness (I guess you do). And you are now making excuses for why we even made the SCF, a lot of things went our way (as if in hockey games that are usually tight as can be getting breaks which are 100% needed, is lucky). And again whether things went our way or not (which I don't buy happened for us any differently than other teams that have made long runs), those nights and games were still awesome. I still had great times being at MSG for many playoff games that season. Those times still happened.



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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 11:20
Its not a claim Eurotrash girl....I gave you a lot to work with and you come up with this?

You gave nothing of the sort. Just opinions (wrong ones, that is) and claims.
And since you have nothing, you resort to name calling. Sad.

You can't even do that right, though. What are you 5? That's kindergarten trash talk.
Pitiful.


Im 7...get it right...you insult me too...So I have it wrong? JT was top 6 for us? I liked him and thought of him as Captain material....I did not like trading him who is 25 for prospects....That is a stupid trade...but there is a reason NYR got rid of him....That is my main point why its a failed 1st round pick
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Go NYR - 2018-08-11 5:44 PM

No I am not okay with not winning a cup, but I am also not going to dismiss all the wins and playoff series wins we have had and act like they never happened and I never had those great nights.

Your last two statements actually sum up you POV perfectly, and show why you must be miserable as a "fan". You write losing and ineptness. I don't see the 5 or 6 year run we had prior to this past season (with ECF runs and a SCF run) as losing and ineptness (I guess you do). And you are now making excuses for why we even made the SCF, a lot of things went our way (as if in hockey games that are usually tight as can be getting breaks which are 100% needed, is lucky). And again whether things went our way or not (which I don't buy happened for us any differently than other teams that have made long runs), those nights and games were still awesome. I still had great times being at MSG for many playoff games that season. Those times still happened.




Rd 1 we needed 7 games and barely beat the lousy Flyers and their backup goalie...Rd 2 we were down 3-1 to the Pens....Rd 3 we KO'd Price in game 1........ineptness is the Nash, MSL, Yandle, E Staal trades 4 #1's 2 #2's and 7 players going the other way....thats 4 pieces for us and 13 pieces we gave away
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Posted 2018-08-11 5:23 PM (#708711 - in reply to #708308)
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All I know is we went to multiple ECF's and an SCF over the past 6 years or so, and I enjoyed many many fun nights both watching on TV and at MSG cheering in the stands. You want to see everything as negative and make excuses for why we won, go ahead. Not sure why you would want to be a fan when you get no joy from it and knock everything we do, but to each their own.






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Posted 2018-08-11 5:37 PM (#708712 - in reply to #708711)
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We didnt win anything but Im glad you had fun....I could only imagine if you were a Penguins or Hawks fan.....I liked Miller...thats not negative
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 7:37 PM

We didnt win anything but Im glad you had fun....


This statement SCREAMS "non-fan" if I ever saw one. You must be the only (so-called) fan who didn't enjoy the run for the Cup.
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 7:37 PM

We didnt win anything but Im glad you had fun....


This statement SCREAMS "non-fan" if I ever saw one. You must be the only (so-called) fan who didn't enjoy the run for the Cup.

Losing hurts...I dont know about you since you have 2 fav teams
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-12 12:42 PM

Mjolnir - 2018-08-12 12:02 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-11 7:37 PM

We didnt win anything but Im glad you had fun....


This statement SCREAMS "non-fan" if I ever saw one. You must be the only (so-called) fan who didn't enjoy the run for the Cup.

Losing hurts...I dont know about you since you have 2 fav teams


There you go with that "favorites" crap again.
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Posted 2018-08-14 8:17 AM (#708755 - in reply to #708308)
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Yep then that scares me about DQ then....No reason at all to re sign Cody...none
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Posted 2018-08-14 9:38 AM (#708760 - in reply to #708308)
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No reason at all.... other than him providing veteran depth.
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Posted 2018-08-14 9:44 AM (#708761 - in reply to #708308)
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We dont need Veteran depth... we need good hockey players...and there is still way better options out there right now than Cody
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Posted 2018-08-14 12:06 PM (#708762 - in reply to #708761)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-14 11:44 AM

We dont need Veteran depth... we need good hockey players...and there is still way better options out there right now than Cody


Now, I don't care about whether we have a Cody McLeod in the lineup or not.....if the coaches deem him worthy of a lineup spot on any given night, so be it regardless of whatever skills he may or may not have.

But what I am curious about is all these "way better options out there right now" that you speak of. You seem to know of "way better players" that are still available (I'm sure there will be a Chris Stewart reference from others)...so who are they, and please tell us why....if they are so much better options....are they still available to every team in the league a few weeks before training camps open.
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Posted 2018-08-14 12:55 PM (#708763 - in reply to #708308)
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I would take any of the 3 Calgary guys over McCleod for the goon part...I would take Benoit Pouliot or Tommy Wingels or Troy Brower for the ability to play the hockey....Cody hopefully ends up in Hartford...he is 34 and washed up
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Posted 2018-08-14 1:04 PM (#708764 - in reply to #708763)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-14 2:55 PM

I would take any of the 3 Calgary guys over McCleod for the goon part...I would take Benoit Pouliot or Tommy Wingels or Troy Brower for the ability to play the hockey....Cody hopefully ends up in Hartford...he is 34 and washed up


Okay...but then why are all these guys you mention still available?
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Posted 2018-08-14 1:14 PM (#708765 - in reply to #708308)
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Fair question...I do not know...I just know we signed a loser that we dont need....Perhaps the league is trying to phase out the lost art of the enforcer
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Posted 2018-08-14 1:24 PM (#708766 - in reply to #708765)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-14 3:14 PM

Fair question...I do not know...I just know we signed a loser that we dont need....Perhaps the league is trying to phase out the lost art of the enforcer


Yeah, there's no such thing anymore. Gotta accept that, and move on from it.

McLeod or any other vet signing you'd prefer won't be getting a contract because they are exceptional players. They are here to be role fillers. He has NHL experience, so he's there as a body in case of injury or the kids aren't ready.... that's it.

His relationship with Quinn probably got him resigned over other choices, but they went out and got him last year without DQ, so who knows how much of a factor Quinn was.

Like anyone else, he'll be competing for a spot. Either 12 guys beat him out, or they don't.

Since he's such a loser, him having a contract matters very little, as there should be plenty of guys that get the nod before him.

Where enforcers ARE needed is in the AHL.... which is probably where Cody ends up ultimately. If not, it would mean he earned the spot.
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Posted 2018-08-14 1:35 PM (#708767 - in reply to #708308)
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I would call every Wolfpack forward up before choosing Cody to replace an injured guy
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Posted 2018-08-15 4:14 AM (#708768 - in reply to #708308)
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Boy Mikey, you sure are taking a beating here lately, I cant say I totally disagree with some of what you say, but I sure am glad I'm a Golden Knight fan now!!!!!! Oh by the way, speaking of Vegas, the book has the Leafs at 10 to 1 to win the cup... "Go Leafs Go" I have two new Jersey's.... Hint: one is from "Toronah"

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Posted 2018-08-15 6:44 AM (#708770 - in reply to #708768)
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RANGERNUT - 2018-08-15 6:14 AM

Boy Mikey, you sure are taking a beating here lately, I cant say I totally disagree with some of what you say, but I sure am glad I'm a Golden Knight fan now!!!!!! Oh by the way, speaking of Vegas, the book has the Leafs at 10 to 1 to win the cup... "Go Leafs Go" I have two new Jersey's.... Hint: one is from "Toronah"

Hahaha yeah its a battle ....Im glad you are having fun
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Posted 2018-08-15 7:31 AM (#708771 - in reply to #708308)
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Not a fan of the McLeod signing but I'm not going to lose my sh*t over it yet until I see how it's handled. If a number of young kids with very little NHL experience end up making the roster on talent alone, I can see a place for a guy like McLeod. If there are a few, and they carry themselves well and handle themselves well, I see much less need for a guy like McLeod.

Having said that I personally would have preferred a different player in the veteran role, one that may have value at the deadline, or one that could reasonably play up the lineup on a young team if injuries set in. Unfortunately McLeod is neither of those things.
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Posted 2018-08-15 8:44 AM (#708774 - in reply to #708308)
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McLeods new contract was a waste of ink, he did nothing in his time here last year. any fan or decision maker could see that. He is the poster child of a plug. I agree there would have been a lot more gain signing someone to flip at next springs trade deadline, which is a plan Toronto for one has used quite well.
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Posted 2018-08-15 11:02 AM (#708775 - in reply to #708774)
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Rranger - 2018-08-15 10:44 AM

McLeods new contract was a waste of ink, he did nothing in his time here last year. any fan or decision maker could see that. He is the poster child of a plug. I agree there would have been a lot more gain signing someone to flip at next springs trade deadline, which is a plan Toronto for one has used quite well.

Yep total waste...the game against Nashville said it all
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