Traverse City under way today
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Posted 2018-08-02 10:47 AM (#708335)
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It may feel like summer, but the Prospect Tournament, and then Rangers Training Camp are just around the corner.

In case you're wondering:

September 7th NYR v DAL
September 8th NYR v MIN
September 10th NYR v DET
September 11th Playoffs

That would make September 14th likely the day that players report to camp, with camp under way the following day on the 15th
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Posted 2018-08-02 2:02 PM (#708340 - in reply to #708335)
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has the Traverse roster been announced yet?
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Posted 2018-08-02 7:29 PM (#708347 - in reply to #708335)
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Unofficial roster, and line combinations from bluelinestation

Filip Chytil Lias Andersson Ville Meskanen
Michael Lindqvist Brett Howden Ty Ronning
Ryan Gropp Morgan Barron Lauri Pajuniemi
Tim Gettinger Gabrielle Fontaine Dawson Leedahl

Libor Hajek Joey Keane
Sean Day Jacob Ragnarsson
Ryan Lindgren Brandon Crawley

Alexander Georgiev
Chris Neil

https://bluelinestation.com/2018/07/11/new-york-rangers-way-early-lo...

But probably pretty close. Rangers didn't announce the roster until August 30th last year.

.... Baby Rangers might actually do good this year!
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Posted 2018-08-02 7:36 PM (#708349 - in reply to #708335)
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Posted 2018-08-03 9:54 AM (#708365 - in reply to #708347)
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robstones - 2018-08-03 3:29 AM

Unofficial roster, and line combinations from bluelinestation

Filip Chytil Lias Andersson Ville Meskanen
Michael Lindqvist Brett Howden Ty Ronning
Ryan Gropp Morgan Barron Lauri Pajuniemi
Tim Gettinger Gabrielle Fontaine Dawson Leedahl

Libor Hajek Joey Keane
Sean Day Jacob Ragnarsson
Ryan Lindgren Brandon Crawley

Alexander Georgiev
Chris Neil

https://bluelinestation.com/2018/07/11/new-york-rangers-way-early-lo...

But probably pretty close. Rangers didn't announce the roster until August 30th last year.

.... Baby Rangers might actually do good this year!

Not a fan of Chytil at wing. If those lines happen to be reality.
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Posted 2018-08-03 10:00 AM (#708366 - in reply to #708335)
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Posted 2018-08-03 11:09 AM (#708374 - in reply to #708365)
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DaTeL - 2018-08-03 10:54 AM

robstones - 2018-08-03 3:29 AM

Unofficial roster, and line combinations from bluelinestation

Filip Chytil Lias Andersson Ville Meskanen
Michael Lindqvist Brett Howden Ty Ronning
Ryan Gropp Morgan Barron Lauri Pajuniemi
Tim Gettinger Gabrielle Fontaine Dawson Leedahl

Libor Hajek Joey Keane
Sean Day Jacob Ragnarsson
Ryan Lindgren Brandon Crawley

Alexander Georgiev
Chris Neil

https://bluelinestation.com/2018/07/11/new-york-rangers-way-early-lo...

But probably pretty close. Rangers didn't announce the roster until August 30th last year.

.... Baby Rangers might actually do good this year!

Not a fan of Chytil at wing. If those lines happen to be reality.


That's not even the official roster, let alone the line combinations. It's a month out. Don't expect line combinations until the day of, or a day before, the first game.

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Posted 2018-08-03 5:54 PM (#708393 - in reply to #708335)
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Chytil and Pajuniemi were on the same line in prospect camp
Ronning and Andersson played together at camp, too.

They may return to those combinations
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Posted 2018-08-06 8:50 AM (#708504 - in reply to #708393)
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robstones - 2018-08-03 6:54 PM

Chytil and Pajuniemi were on the same line in prospect camp
Ronning and Andersson played together at camp, too.

They may return to those combinations


It's more likely that the blogger loosely based his Traverse City "projected lines" on the actual lines from Prospect development camp.

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Posted 2018-08-06 11:48 AM (#708513 - in reply to #708335)
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Hard to project lines for Prospect Tourney....but the roster will probably feature many of those players
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Posted 2018-08-09 10:43 PM (#708628 - in reply to #708335)
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I look at that line up and see about 5 of them that are probably for opening night... which you have to feel pretty good about. That is if they play like we have all seeen and hope they build on.
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Posted 2018-08-27 1:34 PM (#708924 - in reply to #708335)
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Posted 2018-08-27 1:41 PM (#708925 - in reply to #708335)
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Traverse City roster announced

https://foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-announce-roster-for-traverse-c...


LW:
Lindqvist
Gettinger
Leedahl
Melanson
Salvaggio
Stukel

Centers:
Chytil
Andersson
Howden
Fontaine
Potts

RW:
Meskanen
Ronning
Johnson

Defense:
Crawley
Day
Gross
Hajek
Keane
Lindgren
Pratt
Helgesen

Goalies
Nell
Brodeur

Lindqvist is a righty.... of the LWers, he is likely to be the one who switches to RW, but who knows?

11 days away

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Posted 2018-08-27 1:58 PM (#708926 - in reply to #708335)
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Leedahl Chytil Meskanen
Gettinger Andersson Lindqvist
Stukel Howden Ronning
Melanson Fontaine Johnson

Hajek Day
Lindgren Keane
Crawley Gross

Nell
Brodeur

Is my guess at the lineup.... but it's only a guess
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Posted 2018-08-27 2:08 PM (#708927 - in reply to #708335)
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This is probably it for Day make or break
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Posted 2018-08-27 3:12 PM (#708928 - in reply to #708927)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-27 3:08 PM

This is probably it for Day make or break


Not sure why you think this? He's a 2016 pick, a third rounder no less, and is a defenseman, a position which typically matures later.

Aside from the top half of the draft that year, there has only been one defenseman drafted ahead of Day who has any NHL experience at all. (Sam Girard at 47)

TBH most of them are probably not going to work out but it's a little premature to write off a defenseman you drafted just over 2 years ago.


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Posted 2018-08-27 3:42 PM (#708929 - in reply to #708928)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-27 3:08 PM

This is probably it for Day make or break


Not sure why you think this? He's a 2016 pick, a third rounder no less, and is a defenseman, a position which typically matures later.

Aside from the top half of the draft that year, there has only been one defenseman drafted ahead of Day who has any NHL experience at all. (Sam Girard at 47)

TBH most of them are probably not going to work out but it's a little premature to write off a defenseman you drafted just over 2 years ago.



I hear ya but this is his 2nd Tournament...He got that under age exception so he supposed to have the all world tools...and his tourney last year sucked...Im pulling for him...his tools are too good...just gotta get him to click
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Posted 2018-08-27 3:48 PM (#708930 - in reply to #708335)
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Day had good season, and excellent playoffs. He'll have his 1st season with The Pack this year.... he's 20 years old. It's make or break as far he needs to keep up with his peers.

Hajek and Lindgren are also 20 years old, and are expected to be bubble NHLers with a chance to make the team. Day needs to be in that conversation as well. It's ok for the other two to leap frog him in the depth chart.... but he needs to continue to show improvement
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Posted 2018-08-28 5:54 AM (#708935 - in reply to #708335)
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Marty Brodeur's son is on the Rangers Traverse City team
Brodeur was 15-13-4 in the ECHL with a 3.15 GAA and .917 save percentage.
Brodeur is on a professional tryout agreement.

Andersson, Chytil, Hajek and others will play for the Rangers

The Rangers will play Dallas on 9/7, Minnesota on 9/8, Detroit on 9/10 and a final game on September 11.

Aug 27 | 3:05PM


https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/marty-brodeurs-son-is-on-the-rangers...

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Posted 2018-08-28 8:13 AM (#708936 - in reply to #708929)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-27 3:08 PM

This is probably it for Day make or break


Not sure why you think this? He's a 2016 pick, a third rounder no less, and is a defenseman, a position which typically matures later.

Aside from the top half of the draft that year, there has only been one defenseman drafted ahead of Day who has any NHL experience at all. (Sam Girard at 47)

TBH most of them are probably not going to work out but it's a little premature to write off a defenseman you drafted just over 2 years ago.



I hear ya but this is his 2nd Tournament...He got that under age exception so he supposed to have the all world tools...and his tourney last year sucked...Im pulling for him...his tools are too good...just gotta get him to click


I think it's important to evaluate him for what he is, rather than fall into the trap of comparing him to what the expectations were for him, 5 years ago. Like rob mentioned, Hajek and Howden were from the same draft year and were both top 40 picks, so the expectations should actually be higher from them.

Day is again, cursed by unrealistic expectations. He's a 20 year old, third round pick who's about to start his first year in the AHL. He's probably behind Hajek development-wise, but a 20 year old defenseman playing in the AHL is pretty much what you would expect, especially out of a third round pick.

It's actually better for everyone if we all just forget what his name is and evaluate based on how he plays. If he plays like garbage in the AHL for two years, sure drag out the bust label. For now it's very premature. Having said that, the likelihood of Day being anything close to an elite defenseman is just about zero. He's not 15 anymore, expectations need to be re-calibrated to reality.

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Posted 2018-08-28 8:44 AM (#708938 - in reply to #708335)
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3 of the underage kids were #1 overall picks and went into the NHL and smoked it right away...So my expectation if he was that good he would at least be in our lineup already
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Posted 2018-08-28 10:07 AM (#708939 - in reply to #708936)
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This is probably it for Day make or break


Not sure why you think this? He's a 2016 pick, a third rounder no less, and is a defenseman, a position which typically matures later.

Aside from the top half of the draft that year, there has only been one defenseman drafted ahead of Day who has any NHL experience at all. (Sam Girard at 47)

TBH most of them are probably not going to work out but it's a little premature to write off a defenseman you drafted just over 2 years ago.



I hear ya but this is his 2nd Tournament...He got that under age exception so he supposed to have the all world tools...and his tourney last year sucked...Im pulling for him...his tools are too good...just gotta get him to click


I think it's important to evaluate him for what he is, rather than fall into the trap of comparing him to what the expectations were for him, 5 years ago. Like rob mentioned, Hajek and Howden were from the same draft year and were both top 40 picks, so the expectations should actually be higher from them.

Day is again, cursed by unrealistic expectations. He's a 20 year old, third round pick who's about to start his first year in the AHL. He's probably behind Hajek development-wise, but a 20 year old defenseman playing in the AHL is pretty much what you would expect, especially out of a third round pick.

It's actually better for everyone if we all just forget what his name is and evaluate based on how he plays. If he plays like garbage in the AHL for two years, sure drag out the bust label. For now it's very premature. Having said that, the likelihood of Day being anything close to an elite defenseman is just about zero. He's not 15 anymore, expectations need to be re-calibrated to reality.



The reality is he still has a chance to be a special player. He had a really good finish to the season last year after being traded. He got more ice time and responsibility playing for Kingston, and took his game to a new level putting up 14 pts in 16 games in the playoffs

Confidence goes a long way.

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Posted 2018-08-28 12:00 PM (#708940 - in reply to #708335)
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Rob mark it down....Day will be the next Paul Coffey!
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Posted 2018-08-28 1:46 PM (#708941 - in reply to #708939)
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The reality is he still has a chance to be a special player. He had a really good finish to the season last year after being traded. He got more ice time and responsibility playing for Kingston, and took his game to a new level putting up 14 pts in 16 games in the playoffs

Confidence goes a long way.


I'm not writing him off, but I'm also not saddling him with unrealistic expectations. I still think he'll be an NHLer but seriously doubt he has a shot of being the next Karlsson. The good news is that in the two years since we drafted him, he hasn't fallen off expectations much for a third round pick, however, he hasn't exceeded them either. I am a big fan of his, hope he does well this year.
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Posted 2018-08-28 3:18 PM (#708942 - in reply to #708940)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-28 2:00 PM

Rob mark it down....Day will be the next Paul Coffey!


I don't know what he'll be. Make or break may have been a little too much, but it's definitely a big year for him. No question. Real interested in seeing him in preseason.

He has the 3 S's
Size, Speed, and Skill

The sky is the limit with that package, if he can put it all together
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Posted 2018-08-28 3:21 PM (#708943 - in reply to #708942)
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Rob mark it down....Day will be the next Paul Coffey!


I don't know what he'll be. Make or break may have been a little too much, but it's definitely a big year for him. No question. Real interested in seeing him in preseason.

He has the 3 S's
Size, Speed, and Skill

The sky is the limit with that package, if he can put it all together


He needs smotivation and swork ethic
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Posted 2018-08-29 8:34 AM (#708945 - in reply to #708943)
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Rob mark it down....Day will be the next Paul Coffey!


I don't know what he'll be. Make or break may have been a little too much, but it's definitely a big year for him. No question. Real interested in seeing him in preseason.

He has the 3 S's
Size, Speed, and Skill

The sky is the limit with that package, if he can put it all together


He needs smotivation and swork ethic


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Posted 2018-08-29 9:44 AM (#708946 - in reply to #708943)
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Rob mark it down....Day will be the next Paul Coffey!


I don't know what he'll be. Make or break may have been a little too much, but it's definitely a big year for him. No question. Real interested in seeing him in preseason.

He has the 3 S's
Size, Speed, and Skill

The sky is the limit with that package, if he can put it all together


He needs smotivation and swork ethic


Haha I think he has that more than ever. It's more about Smarts.... I think.... I'm no Sean Day expert, but by the looks of it it's just a matter of experience.

If his hockey IQ can keep up with the pros, then he has all the tools to be a force out there. Otherwise, he's McIlrath.
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3 of the underage kids were #1 overall picks and went into the NHL and smoked it right away...So my expectation if he was that good he would at least be in our lineup already


It's unrealistic to compare him to the other 3 and where they were as 15 year olds. It is more realistic to compare him to them based on where they were drafted (#1 overall) to where he was drafted (3rd round) as 18yos. If Rangers drafted him in beginning of round 1 than everything you say would make sense. As it is, it doesn't
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Posted 2018-08-29 11:19 AM (#708948 - in reply to #708947)
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3 of the underage kids were #1 overall picks and went into the NHL and smoked it right away...So my expectation if he was that good he would at least be in our lineup already


It's unrealistic to compare him to the other 3 and where they were as 15 year olds. It is more realistic to compare him to them based on where they were drafted (#1 overall) to where he was drafted (3rd round) as 18yos. If Rangers drafted him in beginning of round 1 than everything you say would make sense. As it is, it doesn't

I am not comparing him to those guys...What I am saying is if he has the tools those same kids had to get the exception....then it is not unreasonable to expect he be in our lineup by now.....Its obvious he went off the rails and teams stayed away from him....Hopefully he puts it together
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Posted 2018-08-30 7:05 AM (#708953 - in reply to #708946)
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Rob mark it down....Day will be the next Paul Coffey!


I don't know what he'll be. Make or break may have been a little too much, but it's definitely a big year for him. No question. Real interested in seeing him in preseason.

He has the 3 S's
Size, Speed, and Skill

The sky is the limit with that package, if he can put it all together


He needs smotivation and swork ethic


Haha I think he has that more than ever. It's more about Smarts.... I think.... I'm no Sean Day expert, but by the looks of it it's just a matter of experience.

If his hockey IQ can keep up with the pros, then he has all the tools to be a force out there. Otherwise, he's McIlrath.


From what I've seen, it's his hockey IQ and his ability to make quick, correct decisions. For most guys that have the physical tools that can't crack the NHL, it's the speed of the decision making that makes the most difference. When he's playing against boys in juniors and makes a mistake, he can make up for it with his world class speed - make the same mistake against an NHLer, and you're toast. There's just no margin for error. In other words, he can still be a much better version of McIlrath, if he learns to play a simple defensive game. That of course can limit his offensive output too, which is why I said I think he's realistically a 4/5/6 defenseman in the NHL, if he makes it.
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3 days away from this thing




Friday Sept. 7 | Dallas, 7:00 PM ET

Saturday Sept. 8 | Minnesota, 6:30 PM

Monday Sept. 10 | Detroit, 4:00 PM

Tuesday Sept. 11 | Placement Game, Time TBD


I just downloaded the Fox Sports Go app for my tablet to watch these games live for free! Not sure if they've ever been live streamed before, but it'll be a first for me.
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Rob here you go :

Gabriel Fontaine-Filip Chytil-Ville Meskanen
Michael Lindqvist-Lias Andersson-Jakob Stuckel (invite)
Tim Gettinger-Brett Howden-Tyler Ronning

Libor Hajek-Brandon Crawley
Ryan Lindgren-Joey Keane
Sean Day-Nicholas Gross
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If Hajek plays like this all through preseason, wouldn't be surprised to see him make the team

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Posted 2018-09-07 6:45 PM (#708999 - in reply to #708335)
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Watching the game now. Trying to figure out the lineup. I think what I'm seeing is

Fontaine37 Chytil72 Meskanen81
Gettinger97 Howden48 Ronning59
Stukel87 Andersson50 Lindqvist34
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Posted 2018-09-08 5:27 PM (#709010 - in reply to #708335)
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Did you get the feed to work? it took me a lil while


Yeah was 5 minutes behind because of it, but went live during the 1st intermission
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Son...

www.newsday.com/amp/sports/hockey/rangers/jeremy-brodeur-martin-s-son-trys-out-with-rangers-1.20866216


Yeah, but he cheated on his wife with her sister who is now his current wife.... so I'm still confused
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Son...

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Yeah, but he cheated on his wife with her sister who is now his current wife.... so I'm still confused

Marty is both his Dad and Uncle lol
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Howden, Hajek, Andersson, Chytil, and Meskanen are top players playing like top players. Lindgren, Gettinger, and Ronning are on the cusp too. All very noticeable.

No one else has really stood out... Stukel has made some good plays. Keane.... Day had his moments in game 1, too.

Great warm up to training camp. Those top 5 guys are all showing they have a legit chance at the opening night roster. If the continue this level of play through the tournament and preseason..... this roster will be very young... 5 rookies!? Very possible



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Howden, Hajek, Andersson, Chytil, and Meskanen are top players playing like top players. Lindgren, Gettinger, and Ronning are on the cusp too. All very noticeable.

No one else has really stood out... Stukel has made some good plays. Keane.... Day had his moments in game 1, too.

Great warm up to training camp. Those top 5 guys are all showing they have a legit chance at the opening night roster. If the continue this level of play through the tournament and preseason..... this roster will be very young... 5 rookies!? Very possible



I'm not sure about very possible. This roster is pretty full already. I think a minimum of 17 spots are already filled.
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5 rookies might play at some point in the season, but not on opening night.


Probably not, but possible! How do you say any one of them aren't ready?

Chytil, Andersson, and Meskanen all seem to be near locks imo

Hajek and Howden.... if they stay consistent, it'll be hard to send them down
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Melanson Chytil Meskanen
Fontaine Andersson Lindqvist
Leedahl Howden Ronning
Potts Gettinger Johnson

Crawley Hajek
Lindgren Keane
Gross Pratt

Brodeur

Is the lineup aga8nst Detroit

Day scratched again?
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Melanson Chytil Meskanen
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Leedahl Howden Ronning
Potts Gettinger Johnson

Crawley Hajek
Lindgren Keane
Gross Pratt

Brodeur

Is the lineup aga8nst Detroit

Day scratched again?


Yeah, not sure why that would be... maybe he tweaked something.

I thought he was pretty good in Game 1, though I missed the 3rd period melt down
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Melanson Chytil Meskanen
Fontaine Andersson Lindqvist
Leedahl Howden Ronning
Potts Gettinger Johnson

Crawley Hajek
Lindgren Keane
Gross Pratt

Brodeur

Is the lineup aga8nst Detroit

Day scratched again?


Yeah, not sure why that would be... maybe he tweaked something.

I thought he was pretty good in Game 1, though I missed the 3rd period melt down

Pronman said the other day they were scratching Day and Gross to give other FQA's a look
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Chytil with a good effort that could've been a penalty on Detroit.... taken the other way for a goal off a juicy Brodeur rebound.

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I found Day!

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Hajek is good... not NHL ready.

He has had a bad give away every game. This one resulted in a penalty
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I found Day!

Where is he?


Watching from behind Broduer
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I found Day!

Where is he?


Watching from behind Broduer

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5 rookies might play at some point in the season, but not on opening night.


Probably not, but possible! How do you say any one of them aren't ready?

Chytil, Andersson, and Meskanen all seem to be near locks imo

Hajek and Howden.... if they stay consistent, it'll be hard to send them down


Don't get me wrong, I would love it if 5 rookies made the roster out of camp, LOVE IT!! Kids would play hungry every night and force the veterans to possibly do the same. Competition is always a great thing.

I could go a year maybe even two of the "young" Rangers losing most nights but playing a hard competitive game, learning from their mistakes...
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I wonder if Day suffers from an AV JT situation


Doubt it. They may really want to look at these invitees.... This tournament means nothing, ither than a nice warm up for camp... maybe one of the invitees earns a training camp invite.
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Day was on a downward trajectory when they drafted him, and there was hope he might correct and rediscover what got him into the CHL as an exception...since then though, the trajectory hasn't really changed much.
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Day was on a downward trajectory when they drafted him, and there was hope he might correct and rediscover what got him into the CHL as an exception...since then though, the trajectory hasn't really changed much.

If you are a black ace at a kiddie prospects tournament....you are done
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Day had a good season last year

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No word on lineup yet
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Day had a good season last year

Rangers play St. Louis at 3pm

No word on lineup yet

look up Corey Pronman...he usually has the lineups
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Chytil
Andersson
Howden
Hajek

Are all scratched. Playing 7 defensemen.... Day is one of them

Lindqvist Gettinger Meskanen
Leedahl Fontaine Ronning
Melanson Potts Salvaggio
Stukel Johnson

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Lindgren Keane
Day Pratt
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They can't win the tournament.

Chytil, Andersson, Howden, and Hajek have all shown they'll get long looks in camp

Now the top line of

Lindqvist Gettinger Meskanen

will be challenged to carry the team... Ronning.... Lindgren and Day will be tasked with stepping up.

They'll get PP time... Show me what you've got. There's no such thing as throwing in the towel
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Day had a good season last year

Rangers play St. Louis at 3pm

No word on lineup yet


He had a decent season split between Kingston and Windsor, and set career highs in assists and points, as well as the memorial cup run, but he was also an overager playing against kids younger than he was.
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Posted 2018-09-11 1:15 PM (#709128 - in reply to #709126)
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Fish - 2018-09-11 3:13 PM

robstones - 2018-09-11 9:49 AM

Day had a good season last year

Rangers play St. Louis at 3pm

No word on lineup yet


He had a decent season split between Kingston and Windsor, and set career highs in assists and points, as well as the memorial cup run, but he was also an overager playing against kids younger than he was.

Not what you want to hear form an underage exception kid
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Posted 2018-09-11 1:16 PM (#709129 - in reply to #708335)
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Someone is up 1-0 ... i am not sure who
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Posted 2018-09-11 2:00 PM (#709133 - in reply to #708335)
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Baby Rangers getting run out of the building 3-1
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Posted 2018-09-11 2:33 PM (#709134 - in reply to #708335)
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5-2 baby Blues
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Posted 2018-09-11 2:33 PM (#709135 - in reply to #708335)
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Posted 2018-09-11 2:55 PM (#709136 - in reply to #709134)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-11 4:33 PM

5-2 baby Blues


7-4 now, defense is optional at this point. Last Ranger goal was nice sequence. Scored by Johnson.
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Posted 2018-09-11 2:57 PM (#709137 - in reply to #708335)
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Nell has given up 13 goals so far in 2 games
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Posted 2018-09-11 2:59 PM (#709138 - in reply to #709136)
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rjpny75 - 2018-09-11 4:55 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-09-11 4:33 PM

5-2 baby Blues


7-4 now, defense is optional at this point. Last Ranger goal was nice sequence. Scored by Johnson.

hahaha very optional
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Posted 2018-09-11 3:03 PM (#709139 - in reply to #708335)
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And for those of you scoring at home....This is the 7th place game
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Posted 2018-09-11 5:26 PM (#709142 - in reply to #709139)
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Posted 2018-09-11 5:39 PM (#709143 - in reply to #708335)
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The Goalie stats are a little flawed....Nell gave up 13 goals in 2 games....Is Heatl still an all world wonderkid?
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Posted 2018-09-11 5:41 PM (#709144 - in reply to #708335)
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Ladies and Gentlemen...thee 8th place Baby Rangers
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Posted 2018-09-11 8:31 PM (#709145 - in reply to #708335)
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It's hard to take anything substantial from this tournament.... Stukel produced the same amount as Zadina in 1 less game, and less ice time... It's such a small sample size, and these teams have little structure.... it's just a few pick up games.

There's no denying Chytil's skill, though. He was dancing around guys out there. The 4 guys scratched today are all top prospects in any system.
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-11 7:39 PM

The Goalie stats are a little flawed....Nell gave up 13 goals in 2 games....Is Heatl still an all world wonderkid?


Why would you question Chytil?
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Posted 2018-09-12 7:58 AM (#709156 - in reply to #709154)
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Mandar - 2018-09-12 9:42 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-09-11 7:39 PM

The Goalie stats are a little flawed....Nell gave up 13 goals in 2 games....Is Heatl still an all world wonderkid?


Why would you question Chytil?

Im not ....yet...I am worried a lil tho...he has to stop the trying to beat everyone 1 on 1 thing he has going on now....I hope he lives up to the hype that has been placed upon him
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Posted 2018-09-17 9:40 AM (#709238 - in reply to #709145)
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robstones - 2018-09-11 9:31 PM

It's hard to take anything substantial from this tournament.... Stukel produced the same amount as Zadina in 1 less game, and less ice time... It's such a small sample size, and these teams have little structure.... it's just a few pick up games.

There's no denying Chytil's skill, though. He was dancing around guys out there. The 4 guys scratched today are all top prospects in any system.


I watched 3/4 games. You can't look at production. Really these prospect tournaments are about seeing who's comfortable out there at this level, playing with and against their peers.

Howden really looked like a standout. Andersson looked great. Chytil was a little quiet but his skill is obvious. Hard to evaluate defensemen in a short tournament, impossible to evaluate goaltenders.
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Posted 2018-09-17 12:06 PM (#709241 - in reply to #709238)
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concust - 2018-09-17 11:40 AM

robstones - 2018-09-11 9:31 PM

It's hard to take anything substantial from this tournament.... Stukel produced the same amount as Zadina in 1 less game, and less ice time... It's such a small sample size, and these teams have little structure.... it's just a few pick up games.

There's no denying Chytil's skill, though. He was dancing around guys out there. The 4 guys scratched today are all top prospects in any system.


I watched 3/4 games. You can't look at production. Really these prospect tournaments are about seeing who's comfortable out there at this level, playing with and against their peers.

Howden really looked like a standout. Andersson looked great. Chytil was a little quiet but his skill is obvious. Hard to evaluate defensemen in a short tournament, impossible to evaluate goaltenders.


That being said, both Lindgren and Hajek stood out
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Posted 2018-09-19 8:53 AM (#709426 - in reply to #708335)
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It isn't hard to evaluate forwards, Ronning, defensemen, Day and goalies, Brodeur. Sent down or released because they were not ready. Professional scouts and a Benoit Allaire have no problem evaluating players no matter what the format or length of the event. They were pretty much tracking who was ready for main camp and who wasn't, as per the first batch of cuts.. They also came away from the tournament knowing a lot more about their players including defensemen and goalies. Evaluating players is a constant gathering of information, every little bit of info and a chance to see them in action contributes to the overall team evaluation.
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