OFFICIAL: Rangers acquire Adam Fox for 2019 2nd rounder, conditional 2020 3rd
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Posted 2019-04-04 8:07 AM (#723832)
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From Sara Civ on the Athletic,

• Most scouts and NCAA sources I’ve spoken with generally believe Fox projects as a second-pairing offensive defenseman. His 1.41 PPG average, highlights and prowess on the power play speak for themselves. “Puck-moving defenseman” is a tired term at this point, but the way Fox navigates through the neutral zone and his instincts with the puck are my personal favorite aspects of his game. With all the hype, though, there are serious concerns about his skating, and there are legitimate questions about the level of competition the ECAC (the conference Harvard plays in) provides. He’s never outright said on the record that he wouldn’t want to do his time in the AHL, but if that implication is sound, that’s a red flag.
“Duncan Keith played two seasons in the AHL and said it was the best thing that ever happened to his career,” one NCAA source pointed out. “(Fox) has played five games since March 1, and he doesn’t need AHL experience?”
• Fox never openly refused to play in the AHL, to be clear, but by all accounts (including his own), he wants to take a path that would get him on an NHL roster the quickest. There are teams (like the Rangers) with far more depleted blue lines than the Hurricanes, and since the ball is in Fox’s court, he is free to pursue them. The Hurricanes can afford to let their defensive prospects marinate.


https://theathletic.com/900804/2019/04/02/it-looks-like-adam-fox-won...
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Posted 2019-04-05 6:21 AM (#723849 - in reply to #723832)
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The excerpts raise more than one red flag for me however I've never seen him play and so I would reserve my opinion till then...
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Posted 2019-04-05 8:58 AM (#723856 - in reply to #723832)
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Agree - pass on him he could be another Matt Gilroy if his skating is an issue, cause Gilroy's was at the NHL level.

We have enough d-men in the pipeline. No need to spend on so much speculation
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Posted 2019-04-05 2:18 PM (#723857 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-04-05 4:43 PM (#723863 - in reply to #723832)
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A terrific playmaker from the back end with first-class vision and elite puck distributing abilities, Fox was Team USA’s most consistent defender. He is yet another Nassau County native to grace the NTDP’s blue line, using flair, creativity and astonishing puck control to wow onlookers and dizzy opponents all at the same time. He was beyond deserving of his nomination as top defenseman at the U18 worlds, which shows how far this kid has come since the start of the season when he was considered (and assessed) as merely a power play specialist. Nothing could be further from the truth, as Fox usurped fellow NTDP rearguard Chad Krys as Team USA’s best overall defenseman and most reliable at generating offense.

Fox is a good skater who looks far more graceful in confined spaces than he does in open ice. His lateral movement and edge work are excellent — his twirls and pirouettes are strikingly similar to the way Ottawa star defender Erik Karlsson controlled his puck movement while playing for Team Sweden in his pre-draft years. Fox has an accurate shot that does not require velocity to beat a goalie clean in any of the corners, and he can juke and fake his way into prime scoring areas with relative ease. He is far from physical, and falling below the six-foot mark could work against him as his development path takes him through the bigger, thicker forwards. That being said, he ran the gauntlet of NCAA competition with significant success, as even the most mature NCAA opponents could not find an answer to his puck wizardry.

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Posted 2019-04-05 4:58 PM (#723864 - in reply to #723832)
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As far as the next Matt Gilroy comments go...

Gilroy
05-06 Boston Univ. NCAA 36gp 2g 6a 8pts
06-07 Boston Univ. NCAA 39gp 9g 17a 26pts
07-08 Boston Univ. “A” NCAA 40gp 6g 15a 21pts
08-09 Boston Univ. “C” NCAA 45gp 8g 29a 37pts

Fox
16-17 Harvard Univ. NCAA 35gp 6g 34a 40pts
17-18 Harvard Univ. NCAA 29gp 6g 22a 28pts
18-19 Harvard Univ. NCAA 33gp 9g 39a 48pts

Gilroy was never a point per game player.... Fox has been consistently one of the best offensive producers in the NCAA since his Freshman year... actually he was the best point producing D his Freshman year... this year he was the best out of any skater... including Makar and Hughes

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Posted 2019-04-06 8:59 AM (#724095 - in reply to #723832)
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They would be stupid not to take a flyer on such a player if he is available as a UFA after next season. They have nothing to lose even if he ends up in Hartford. However someone will probably pony up and trade to try to get him signed for next season, I suspect the Rangers will be in on it. They would obviously rather go the UFA route next summer if he's available, but if they like him and Carolina is moving him they will have to make a decision. You can never have to many good players in your system.
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Posted 2019-04-06 9:02 AM (#724096 - in reply to #723832)
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Put it this way... if he were to enter the draft in June he'd be a sure fire first round pick.

So if you can trade a second or a third in order to get Fox, you've gotten value. If you trade a first rounder to get him, maybe that's a push because on one hand, he's older, but on the other hand, he's about NHL ready. You can't say that for the vast majority of first round picks.
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Posted 2019-04-06 9:19 AM (#724098 - in reply to #724096)
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concust - 2019-04-06 8:02 AM


Put it this way... if he were to enter the draft in June he'd be a sure fire first round pick.

So if you can trade a second or a third in order to get Fox, you've gotten value. If you trade a first rounder to get him, maybe that's a push because on one hand, he's older, but on the other hand, he's about NHL ready. You can't say that for the vast majority of first round picks.



Unless forced to move sooner which I don't see them doing, they will obviously wait to see where the dust settles on the Tampa, Dallas picks. assuming the Dallas pick remains a 2nd I wouldn't have a problem flipping that for Fox. Its a given he's worth a flyer for a third round pick.
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Posted 2019-04-06 12:23 PM (#724101 - in reply to #723832)
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DeAngelo, Pionk and Fox are all, smaller, right handed defenseman. Obviously, one has to go which would be Pionk unless he rockets his play up. Either way, Fox won't cost nothing but money to sign. Hopefully, Pionk has a big season next year and cleans up his game to up his trade value a lot. Long term, I just don't see him here. Shattenkirk sucks moose dong. He has to go.
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Posted 2019-04-08 8:09 AM (#724230 - in reply to #724098)
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Put it this way... if he were to enter the draft in June he'd be a sure fire first round pick.

So if you can trade a second or a third in order to get Fox, you've gotten value. If you trade a first rounder to get him, maybe that's a push because on one hand, he's older, but on the other hand, he's about NHL ready. You can't say that for the vast majority of first round picks.



Unless forced to move sooner which I don't see them doing, they will obviously wait to see where the dust settles on the Tampa, Dallas picks. assuming the Dallas pick remains a 2nd I wouldn't have a problem flipping that for Fox. Its a given he's worth a flyer for a third round pick.


He's not a UFA yet but at this point he's pretty much holding all the cards. I would assume that he could simply inform Carolina where he'd like to go, and Carolina would only negotiate with those teams, and at some point Carolina will need to grant the other team permission to talk to Fox's agent (trading team obviously wants assurances he'll sign with them if they're trading assets). From the Rangers perspective, they have nothing to lose, they only have a "soft" deadline of wanting to get something done before Fox has to actually go back to school. And it would be to their advantage to strike while the iron's hot. My guess is something gets decided before July 1.
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Posted 2019-04-08 9:37 AM (#724231 - in reply to #724230)
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concust - 2019-04-08 7:09 AM

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Put it this way... if he were to enter the draft in June he'd be a sure fire first round pick.

So if you can trade a second or a third in order to get Fox, you've gotten value. If you trade a first rounder to get him, maybe that's a push because on one hand, he's older, but on the other hand, he's about NHL ready. You can't say that for the vast majority of first round picks.



Unless forced to move sooner which I don't see them doing, they will obviously wait to see where the dust settles on the Tampa, Dallas picks. assuming the Dallas pick remains a 2nd I wouldn't have a problem flipping that for Fox. Its a given he's worth a flyer for a third round pick.


He's not a UFA yet but at this point he's pretty much holding all the cards. I would assume that he could simply inform Carolina where he'd like to go, and Carolina would only negotiate with those teams, and at some point Carolina will need to grant the other team permission to talk to Fox's agent (trading team obviously wants assurances he'll sign with them if they're trading assets). From the Rangers perspective, they have nothing to lose, they only have a "soft" deadline of wanting to get something done before Fox has to actually go back to school. And it would be to their advantage to strike while the iron's hot. My guess is something gets decided before July 1.



If he informs Carolina he only wants to go to the Rangers I'd say the Rangers hold a very strong hand, and its up to Gorton to play it well. It will just take a while for Carolina to realize no first and likely a low second. Tampa's if they don't win the cup.
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Posted 2019-04-08 9:57 AM (#724232 - in reply to #723832)
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He doesn't have a trade clause.... it's not up to him to say where he wants to go. Carolina can and should trade him to the highest bidder.

From what I've seen and read of him, The Rangers should be in on that, as his stock will only rise from here out.

His skating is no longer a question mark... it was his draft year, but he's a good skater. He's good at everything aside from being a physical force. No one is going to be scared of an Adam Fox open ice hit....

But he's better than any RD in the system or at least equal to Nils Lundqvist who I know little about other than praise from Rangers management, and it won't be easy trying to draft a better RD from this year's crop.

So, unless we're banking on Tony D and Pionk to round out their game, I'd go for this guy pretty heavily.

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Posted 2019-04-08 10:01 AM (#724234 - in reply to #724232)
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robstones - 2019-04-08 10:57 AM

He doesn't have a trade clause.... it's not up to him to say where he wants to go. Carolina can and should trade him to the highest bidder.




It is up to Fox, because if he doesn't like where he's traded to, he can just say "going back to school" and then in 2020, he'll be a UFA.

So if Edmonton trades a second round pick for him now, and Fox decides he doesn't want to play in Edmonton, he just goes back to Harvard for a year, and then in summer 2020 he can just sign wherever he wants, and Edmonton loses that pick and has nothing to show for it. So a team isn't going to trade for him unless they're assured he would sign there.

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Posted 2019-04-08 10:35 AM (#724238 - in reply to #724232)
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robstones - 2019-04-08 8:57 AM

He doesn't have a trade clause.... it's not up to him to say where he wants to go. Carolina can and should trade him to the highest bidder.

From what I've seen and read of him, The Rangers should be in on that, as his stock will only rise from here out.

His skating is no longer a question mark... it was his draft year, but he's a good skater. He's good at everything aside from being a physical force. No one is going to be scared of an Adam Fox open ice hit....

But he's better than any RD in the system or at least equal to Nils Lundqvist who I know little about other than praise from Rangers management, and it won't be easy trying to draft a better RD from this year's crop.

So, unless we're banking on Tony D and Pionk to round out their game, I'd go for this guy pretty heavily.






Only a fool would trade for a player who doesn't want to play there. Especially since UFA status is only a year away.
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Posted 2019-04-12 4:26 PM (#724399 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-04-30 11:38 AM (#725060 - in reply to #723832)
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Rick Carpiniello (The Athletic) is reporting that Rangers are finalizing a trade for Adam Fox. Might be imminent.
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Posted 2019-04-30 11:40 AM (#725061 - in reply to #723832)
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Sorry, unclear: Looks like Hurricanes have a trade done with Adam Fox.

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Posted 2019-04-30 11:41 AM (#725062 - in reply to #723832)
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Rangers trade a second round pick (this year) and a conditional third round pick next year for Adam Fox.
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Posted 2019-04-30 11:42 AM (#725063 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-04-30 12:20 PM (#725064 - in reply to #723832)
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Condition is games played, per McKenzie:

The Carolina Hurricanes have traded prospect Adam Fox to the New York Rangers for a second-round pick this year and a conditional third-round pick in 2020.

TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie reports the conditional third-round pick will become a second-rounder om 2020 if Fox plays in 30 games next season. He adds that the Rangers are in the process of finalizing an entry-level contract with Fox.
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Posted 2019-04-30 12:21 PM (#725065 - in reply to #723832)
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OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired defenseman Adam Fox from the Carolina Hurricanes in exchange for the Blueshirts’ own second-round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft and a conditional third-round pick in the 2020 NHL Draft.

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Posted 2019-04-30 1:03 PM (#725066 - in reply to #723832)
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He'll be signed by the end of the day. He'll be our best defensive prospect and one of our top 3 or 4 prospects overall.
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Posted 2019-04-30 1:16 PM (#725067 - in reply to #725066)
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Posted 2019-04-30 1:31 PM (#725068 - in reply to #723832)
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To clarify the conditions, we sent a third round pick (2020) to Carolina. If Fox plays 30+ games for us next year (he should), that third round pick gets upgraded to a second round pick (2020).

So essentially it will be Fox for two seconds, which is worse than a second and a third, but it's still a steal.
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Posted 2019-04-30 1:32 PM (#725069 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-04-30 2:50 PM (#725070 - in reply to #723832)
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He's basically a first round draft pick. JUST BE HAPPY
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Posted 2019-04-30 4:57 PM (#725071 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-04-30 6:33 PM (#725076 - in reply to #723832)
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Trouba is not coming here you retard. Stop bringing it up. Lou is a senile, incompetent, dumb fukkkk compared to Gorton at this point. Gorton is building a future powerhouse for a decade here. This team is stacked at goal, defense and forward for the future. In a rebuilding year this team lost a ton of close games. I give it one more year then this team should start clicking in at 100 points a year, every year.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tsn.ca/top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospe...

TSN had Fox rated the 12th best prospect (Kravtsov is #1.... Shesterkin is #10.... Lias Andersson is #28....)
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Posted 2019-04-30 7:09 PM (#725081 - in reply to #725076)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-04-30 8:33 PM

Trouba is not coming here you retard. Stop bringing it up. Lou is a senile, incompetent, dumb fukkkk compared to Gorton at this point. Gorton is building a future powerhouse for a decade here. This team is stacked at goal, defense and forward for the future. In a rebuilding year this team lost a ton of close games. I give it one more year then this team should start clicking in at 100 points a year, every year.

He's coming and Kreider is going. Truoba is not staying there...Jets have to trade him
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Posted 2019-04-30 9:49 PM (#725104 - in reply to #723832)
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Fox is a good pickup. Hopefully scouts have seen enough to justify the two picks going back. If you look at it from the angle he would have taken a second round pick to draft then he's really only costing the third pick but hopefully he gets 30 games under his belt this year and it becomes a second. Either way it's on him to justify the trade. You look at Lindgren, Hajek, and now Fox as starters next year and Gorton has some dead wood to dump. One almost has to believe Shattenkirk, Claussen and possibly Pionk might be on the move. I like the pickup but will refrain hanging great on him til he gets here and makes the team and a impact.
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Posted 2019-05-01 5:47 AM (#725106 - in reply to #723832)
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seems like a good move. Kind of like moving up in the draft using current position and a next draft conditional to grab an NHL-ready prospect. This prospect has a better proven body of work outside of the NHL. Also projected to be a top 4 or maybe top pairing defensemen. Not bad?
This draft looks to produce 2 NHL ready prospects and still have a 1st round and 2nd or maybe if very lucky 2 1st and 2nd along with the remaining picks. Moving along nicely in my opinion.
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All I know is that Neal Pionk came in out of college, and was able to turn some heads. Was one our best defenseman for a while before he plateaued, but is still an NHL caliber player nonetheless..... Adam Fox is better than Neal Pionk.
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We can basically look at it as having drafted Fox. Regardless where the Dallas pick ends up we will still be getting 5 players in the first 2 rounds. So I am not worried about the payment. Going to be a VERY interesting Summer. Elliote Friedman said in his 31 thoughts that a NHL exec said watch the Rangers to be very active...including offer sheets.

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I would say Cleasson is gone and some magic has to be done with Staal Smith Shattypants and Pionk
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All I know is that Neal Pionk came in out of college, and was able to turn some heads. Was one our best defenseman for a while before he plateaued, but is still an NHL caliber player nonetheless..... Adam Fox is better than Neal Pionk.

Lets hope Man! You watch the CBJ Boston series and you will realize there is no place out there on the ice for Pionk and Shatty types....Big Boy hockey
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I would think that Gorton will try to move way up in the draft with his second pick. If I read it right, the Av's have about 22 million in cap room next year. They have to sign Raantanen. He's going to cost about 9 million a year. So probably about 13 million in cap space. I would think you could trade them Skjei and Kreider with the Jets first rounder and that might get you up to 4. More likely they trade up with Buffalo at 7. The moron Sabres need to win now. Maybe Skjei and Pionk with the Jets pick to 7. Or Kreider and Pionk with that pick. Either way, Gorton needs to move up with his second first rounder. It just makes sense. Bring back Zucc.
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We can basically look at it as having drafted Fox. Regardless where the Dallas pick ends up we will still be getting 5 players in the first 2 rounds. So I am not worried about the payment. Going to be a VERY interesting Summer. Elliote Friedman said in his 31 thoughts that a NHL exec said watch the Rangers to be very active...including offer sheets.

On D now
Skjei TD
Staal Shattypants
Smith Pionk

Coming
Hajek Fox
Lindgren Keane
Crawley Nils
Rykov
KAM
Gross
Ragnarsson

I would say Cleasson is gone and some magic has to be done with Staal Smith Shattypants and Pionk




Me thinks Gorton will be busy swapping out Dmen this summer. Lindgren, Hajek have to make the next step up. Fox and Rykov banging on the door. Its imperative to get some of this young blood into the Rangers lineup.
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We can basically look at it as having drafted Fox. Regardless where the Dallas pick ends up we will still be getting 5 players in the first 2 rounds. So I am not worried about the payment. Going to be a VERY interesting Summer. Elliote Friedman said in his 31 thoughts that a NHL exec said watch the Rangers to be very active...including offer sheets.

On D now
Skjei TD
Staal Shattypants
Smith Pionk

Coming
Hajek Fox
Lindgren Keane
Crawley Nils
Rykov
KAM
Gross
Ragnarsson

I would say Cleasson is gone and some magic has to be done with Staal Smith Shattypants and Pionk




Me thinks Gorton will be busy swapping out Dmen this summer. Lindgren, Hajek have to make the next step up. Fox and Rykov banging on the door. Its imperative to get some of this young blood into the Rangers lineup.

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You look at the teams still playing...None are full of little guy D men

Bingo!!! Big and fast
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You look at the teams still playing...None are full of little guy D men

Bingo!!! Big and fast
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You look at the teams still playing...None are full of little guy D men


Don't worry, Gorton kept the receipt
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Adam Fox has been added the the US National team for the World Championships.
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From Brooks article:

Gorton would not say it because he cannot, but the Rangers would feel pretty good about themselves if they could go into next season with Trouba, Fox and Tony DeAngelo lining up one-two-three on the right side of the blue line with Neal Pionk in reserve.

“It’s no secret we need to improve our defense. It was not good enough for us to be what we want to be,” Gorton said. “It’s something we recognize and we’re acting on.

“It’s not just the defense. We’re not in the playoffs. We’re bringing in quality, young players to compete for jobs. That’s what it’s about. We’re building to win the Stanley Cup.”
Tuesday, a block was laid.

It was spelled, F-O-X.
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Posted 2019-05-01 12:30 PM (#725126 - in reply to #723832)
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I think that quote cements that EK will not be coming here
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I don't get a vote but I'd say no to Karlsson. He's 28 but he's got a lot of miles on him. He plays like he's 31. I think he's past his prime unfortunately, and his injuries have/are going to catch up to him very quickly.
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I'm fine with swapping Shatt with Fox, and that's it... If Staal stays, that's fine.... to start the season.

Skjei DeAngelo
Staal Fox
Hajek Pionk
Lindgren

Would be ok until the trade deadline where after most of a seaso of experience for the rookies, they can unload Staal and/or Pionk

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I'm fine with swapping Shatt with Fox, and that's it... If Staal stays, that's fine.... to start the season.

Skjei DeAngelo
Staal Fox
Hajek Pionk
Lindgren

Would be ok until the trade deadline where after most of a seaso of experience for the rookies, they can unload Staal and/or Pionk





I'm ok with that except I'd move Pionk for a veteran type or at least sign one. I'd even take Girardi back for a year or two. Freed from Chewys no mind defense he'd be fine for a year or two playing meat and potatoes defense for the Rangers. And more importantly he'd have their back. They are going to neneed some of that. Then Easily replace the Girardi type a year or two down the road Lunkvist ect.
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Talented player so he still has a time to develop and be top pair or second pair.
Our D at this time is a so so formation.
Good trade.
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Rangers used to be lucky to have one prospect in the Top-100 prospects list. After June they'll have about 5, and most of those guys are probably top-50 guys.

Dump always argues when I said that the Rangers farm system was not that good. At the time it wasn't, they had no top end talent and at most had some depth. What you're seeing now is the difference. After June the Rangers have a top 5 prospect pool in the league, arguably top 3.
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Fox also made the cut for Team USA in the upcoming WC tournament. A guess at their pairings could have him playing with Skjei

Noah Hanafin - Ryan Suter
Brady Skjei - Adam Fox
Quinn Hughes - Alec Martinez
Christian Wolanin

But we'll see.

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Besides the name, I don't know much about this player, so for me, time will tell.
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Mikey Red - 2019-05-01 10:12 AM

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You look at the teams still playing...None are full of little guy D men

Bingo!!! Big and fast


Absolute nonsense. Karlsson, Barrie, Faulk, Makar, and Krug are huge parts of their teams and none are big. Krug is a shrimp and plays over 20 minutes a game. You don't want a defense with a lot of small defenseman but if you don't have guys that can work the PP or move the puck at all, you're just as screwed as having too many that are small on your D. A big, righty defenseman with skill is needed. It isn't Trouba so give up that stupid pipe dream. He is greedy and he will want 8+ milllion. No thanks.
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Posted 2019-05-03 7:33 AM (#725177 - in reply to #723832)
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all 30 teams line up at Winnipegs door for him without batting an eye...Don't worry we have Shattenkirk and Pionk
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I'm fine with swapping Shatt with Fox, and that's it... If Staal stays, that's fine.... to start the season.

Skjei DeAngelo
Staal Fox
Hajek Pionk
Lindgren

Would be ok until the trade deadline where after most of a seaso of experience for the rookies, they can unload Staal and/or Pionk





I'm ok with that except I'd move Pionk for a veteran type or at least sign one. I'd even take Girardi back for a year or two. Freed from Chewys no mind defense he'd be fine for a year or two playing meat and potatoes defense for the Rangers. And more importantly he'd have their back. They are going to neneed some of that. Then Easily replace the Girardi type a year or two down the road Lunkvist ect.


No, No No - a thousand times no to a Gerardi return. Have we learned nothing? Have you watched Gerardi in Tampa?

We need to get rid of d-men skating in quicksand (Shattenkirk) or well past their prime (Staal). We've got a rebuild going - why on earth go backwards now?
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Posted 2019-05-03 7:59 AM (#725180 - in reply to #723832)
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I'm fine with swapping Shatt with Fox, and that's it... If Staal stays, that's fine.... to start the season.

Skjei DeAngelo
Staal Fox
Hajek Pionk
Lindgren

Would be ok until the trade deadline where after most of a seaso of experience for the rookies, they can unload Staal and/or Pionk





I'm ok with that except I'd move Pionk for a veteran type or at least sign one. I'd even take Girardi back for a year or two. Freed from Chewys no mind defense he'd be fine for a year or two playing meat and potatoes defense for the Rangers. And more importantly he'd have their back. They are going to neneed some of that. Then Easily replace the Girardi type a year or two down the road Lunkvist ect.


No, No No - a thousand times no to a Gerardi return. Have we learned nothing? Have you watched Gerardi in Tampa?

We need to get rid of d-men skating in quicksand (Shattenkirk) or well past their prime (Staal). We've got a rebuild going - why on earth go backwards now?



I'm suggesting Girardi if nothing else isn't out there, or a player who brings his intangibles. I don't know what Tampa games you have watched but he spent most of the year playing with Hedman. He is still capable of a third pair role similar to Adam McQuaid, mentoring young players. Successful defenses need some different types to round out a staff, not all the same. Pionk and a kid are not going to do you much good if other teams are running around. The Rangers have one of the softest defenses in the entire league and its a issue needing addressing by Gorton this summer. Thankfully I think he gets it and will do something about it similar to picking up McQuaid like last year.
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I like Shattenkirk personally. He loved the Rangers and took less to come here. I hope they do the right thing by him. Pionk was good early on. Playing 25+ min a night. Got banged up and played shaky the second half. That being said, makes no sense to have no size on the right size with DeAngelo, Fox and him. He needs to be dealt. Keep in mind if you are planning to expose guys to the expansion draft, just trade them now and get more prospects and picks. Fast needs to be dealt. Pionk needs to be moved. Some guys contracts are up before the expansion draft. Try to move Smith, Staal and Shattenkirk. Retain if you have to. Namestnikov has to be dealt as well at some point.

Florida would be my main trade target. It's a fn disgrace they missed the playoffs with two, young, 90 point scorers. Their role players suck and their goalies have sucked for years. Luongo is 100. Love to see Hank go their but he won't.

I offer up a package of Fast, Namestnikov, Pionk, Nieves and either Huska or Wall for Trocheck. I think they have a very hard time turning that down. Florida needs depth. They need forwards that can play defense. Rangers need one guy to help the offense of some of their young players.
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Posted 2019-05-03 12:32 PM (#725188 - in reply to #723832)
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I like Shattenkirk personally. He loved the Rangers and took less to come here. I hope they do the right thing by him. Pionk was good early on. Playing 25+ min a night. Got banged up and played shaky the second half. That being said, makes no sense to have no size on the right size with DeAngelo, Fox and him. He needs to be dealt. Keep in mind if you are planning to expose guys to the expansion draft, just trade them now and get more prospects and picks. Fast needs to be dealt. Pionk needs to be moved. Some guys contracts are up before the expansion draft. Try to move Smith, Staal and Shattenkirk. Retain if you have to. Namestnikov has to be dealt as well at some point.

Florida would be my main trade target. It's a fn disgrace they missed the playoffs with two, young, 90 point scorers. Their role players suck and their goalies have sucked for years. Luongo is 100. Love to see Hank go their but he won't.

I offer up a package of Fast, Namestnikov, Pionk, Nieves and either Huska or Wall for Trocheck. I think they have a very hard time turning that down. Florida needs depth. They need forwards that can play defense. Rangers need one guy to help the offense of some of their young players.


This isn't a video game. You can't just keep adding garbage players into a deal until it balances out the good player and the trade goes through. You're a hack even for an ECHL quality armchair GM. And this was Luongo's first bad season in almost a decade. God you just suck at evaluating everything.
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Posted 2019-05-04 12:32 PM (#725266 - in reply to #723832)
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I'm fine with swapping Shatt with Fox, and that's it... If Staal stays, that's fine.... to start the season.

Skjei DeAngelo
Staal Fox
Hajek Pionk
Lindgren

Would be ok until the trade deadline where after most of a seaso of experience for the rookies, they can unload Staal and/or Pionk





I'm ok with that except I'd move Pionk for a veteran type or at least sign one. I'd even take Girardi back for a year or two. Freed from Chewys no mind defense he'd be fine for a year or two playing meat and potatoes defense for the Rangers. And more importantly he'd have their back. They are going to neneed some of that. Then Easily replace the Girardi type a year or two down the road Lunkvist ect.


No, No No - a thousand times no to a Gerardi return. Have we learned nothing? Have you watched Gerardi in Tampa?

We need to get rid of d-men skating in quicksand (Shattenkirk) or well past their prime (Staal). We've got a rebuild going - why on earth go backwards now?



I'm suggesting Girardi if nothing else isn't out there, or a player who brings his intangibles.

Yes they can learn alot from him on not what to do, like standing around with your thumb up your Ass while McD gets his ass kicked in... Thats a BIG no for me on Girardi
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Props to Gorton for the Zucc kicker if Dallas wins two rounds. I think he did a lot of thinking and negotiating to get that thrown in the deal. Looking like a somewhat unexpected first rounder coming our way. Nice job on Gortons end. He's done a lot of good things since the letter went out, and it's looking like the Rangers have a excellent GM in place. Sorta like the Ilses.
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I'm fine with swapping Shatt with Fox, and that's it... If Staal stays, that's fine.... to start the season.

Skjei DeAngelo
Staal Fox
Hajek Pionk
Lindgren

Would be ok until the trade deadline where after most of a seaso of experience for the rookies, they can unload Staal and/or Pionk





I'm ok with that except I'd move Pionk for a veteran type or at least sign one. I'd even take Girardi back for a year or two. Freed from Chewys no mind defense he'd be fine for a year or two playing meat and potatoes defense for the Rangers. And more importantly he'd have their back. They are going to neneed some of that. Then Easily replace the Girardi type a year or two down the road Lunkvist ect.


No, No No - a thousand times no to a Gerardi return. Have we learned nothing? Have you watched Gerardi in Tampa?

We need to get rid of d-men skating in quicksand (Shattenkirk) or well past their prime (Staal). We've got a rebuild going - why on earth go backwards now?



I'm suggesting Girardi if nothing else isn't out there, or a player who brings his intangibles.

Yes they can learn alot from him on not what to do, like standing around with your thumb up your Ass while McD gets his ass kicked in... Thats a BIG no for me on Girardi



Mcdonagh got his was kicked every time he mixed it up. GIRADI was probably just tired.
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Leave Staal alone until the trade deadline, at least. Hajek and Lindgren both have to earn their NHL time

Skjei is coming in to his own, though. After another full season under his belt getting 1st pair minutes.... having learned from McDonagh and Staal already....

We need to start loving our former 1st round picks a little more.

Skjei, Staal, Kreider.... they get beat up way more than they should.... not so much Skjei, I suppose, but the other two are quality players. I wouldn't mind seeing Staal retire a Ranger. I don't care what anyone says, he's as true blue as Lundqvist..... he's seen and been through so much. ALL the ups and downs....
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Props to Gorton for the Zucc kicker if Dallas wins two rounds. I think he did a lot of thinking and negotiating to get that thrown in the deal. Looking like a somewhat unexpected first rounder coming our way. Nice job on Gortons end. He's done a lot of good things since the letter went out, and it's looking like the Rangers have a excellent GM in place. Sorta like the Ilses.


I may have to eat crow after ranting about those kickers being fools gold. Though in my defense I can't imagine anyone predicting all the division winners being out in the first round.
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Props to Gorton for the Zucc kicker if Dallas wins two rounds. I think he did a lot of thinking and negotiating to get that thrown in the deal. Looking like a somewhat unexpected first rounder coming our way. Nice job on Gortons end. He's done a lot of good things since the letter went out, and it's looking like the Rangers have a excellent GM in place. Sorta like the Ilses.


I may have to eat crow after ranting about those kickers being fools gold. Though in my defense I can't imagine anyone predicting all the division winners being out in the first round.





Been a wierd year. But looks like the Dallas trade condition might turn into a very astute move on Gorton's part. Although I don't think many on here myself included put any money on it,
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Props to Gorton for the Zucc kicker if Dallas wins two rounds. I think he did a lot of thinking and negotiating to get that thrown in the deal. Looking like a somewhat unexpected first rounder coming our way. Nice job on Gortons end. He's done a lot of good things since the letter went out, and it's looking like the Rangers have a excellent GM in place. Sorta like the Ilses.


I may have to eat crow after ranting about those kickers being fools gold. Though in my defense I can't imagine anyone predicting all the division winners being out in the first round.





Been a wierd year. But looks like the Dallas trade condition might turn into a very astute move on Gorton's part. Although I don't think many on here myself included put any money on it,


Dallas is one win away from sending their first rounder to NYR. Go Stars!

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Actually, aside from the Lightning not winning the Cup, all the conditions from the deals we've made have worked out perfectly so far.

Lightning lose as early as possible (highest possible second round pick from them in 2019)
Jets lose in first round (now standing at a top-20 pick)
Stars one win away from fulfilling condition of Zucc trade

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Saw Adam Fox play in the World Championships. He was good, not great. Good with the puck, skating better than advertised, a step behind in decision making IMO. It was his first ever game against pros, so some of that is understandable. On the flip side it was also Hughes' first game against pros and he was one of the best players on the ice.

Edit - sorry not technically the tournament, this is one of the pre-tournament games
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Mikey Red - 2019-05-07 4:56 PM

Oh snap.... I thought I missed a game...I didnt see anything on NHL network...real games start the 10th


I streamed it off the internets
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Posted 2019-05-08 4:24 PM (#725438 - in reply to #725272)
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robstones - 2019-05-04 4:33 PM

Leave Staal alone until the trade deadline, at least. Hajek and Lindgren both have to earn their NHL time

Skjei is coming in to his own, though. After another full season under his belt getting 1st pair minutes.... having learned from McDonagh and Staal already....

We need to start loving our former 1st round picks a little more.

Skjei, Staal, Kreider.... they get beat up way more than they should.... not so much Skjei, I suppose, but the other two are quality players. I wouldn't mind seeing Staal retire a Ranger. I don't care what anyone says, he's as true blue as Lundqvist..... he's seen and been through so much. ALL the ups and downs....


As I've said hundreds of times. Rangers fans do nothing but bitch and complain about their defenseman. Even when the team was among the best in GA year after year. I respect Staal like I did Girardi. However. he like Hank either has to move on or retire. Personally, I'd like to see Lundqvist retire but if he wants a shot at a cup, he needs to accept a trade. Maybe Calgary. Maybe Toronto. I think on the right team he has one more run in him. The team is loaded with prospect at every position. Especially in goal and on the left side of the defense.
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Posted 2019-05-08 4:27 PM (#725439 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-05-09 8:55 AM (#725456 - in reply to #725272)
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robstones - 2019-05-04 5:33 PM

We need to start loving our former 1st round picks a little more.



Let's bring McIlrath back! It's McIlrath time!
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Posted 2019-05-11 4:28 PM (#725499 - in reply to #723832)
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Well so close for Dallas then a total bed **** in game seven. However still a chance Zucc signs with Dallas which would mean a first next season..

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Posted 2019-06-05 3:30 PM (#725944 - in reply to #723832)
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Scott Wheeler from the Athletic did a 2016 redraft. This is what he had to say about Fox, who jumped into the top 10 for that year.

9. Montreal Canadiens: Adam Fox
Actual draft pick: No. 66 (change: +57) to Calgary
My final ranking: No. 29 (change: +20)

Remember when I said that this ranking was going to be based on my evaluations? Well here we are at the point where a kid who has yet to play an NHL game gets ranked ahead of several who are a season or two deep into their NHL careers. I’m confident Fox is going to be that good. He’s one of those players who is going to spend so much time with the puck on his stick on offence that concerns over the ability of a smaller defender to be a No. 1 are quickly going to be muted. Fox is a stud who just had the most productive season by an NCAA defenceman (1.45 points per game!) since I began doing this whole scouting things six years ago (breaking the record of 1.08 points per game that he tied two seasons before). This is a kid, who, as a defenceman, posted 17 more points than his nearest teammate while playing to a plus-23 rating on a Harvard team that spent more time outside of USA Today’s national NCAA ranking than it did inside it. He’s going to immediately become an impact player for the Rangers and will probably go down as the second-biggest steal of the 2016 draft (if that’s possible for a kid who never played for the team that drafted him) to Alex DeBrincat. Like DeBrincat, I was considerably higher on Fox than the NHL consensus, so that’s good, but I was still too low on him. The kid led the NCAA in points per game (not just defencemen, everyone)!

2018-2019 season (Junior, NCAA): 48 points (9G, 39A), 33 games. Hobey Baker Award Finalist.

Rest of the article is here https://theathletic.com/975897/2019/06/05/wheeler-a-2016-nhl-draft-r... but obviously it's paywalled and I know you cheap bast*rds are too busy reading fansided instead but consider subscribing for more quality content and analysis.
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Posted 2019-06-05 3:50 PM (#725945 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-06-06 7:53 AM (#725947 - in reply to #725945)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-05 4:50 PM

I would like to see the 2017 re draft


Mittlestadt 1OA?
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Posted 2019-06-06 8:17 AM (#725948 - in reply to #725456)
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concust - 2019-05-09 10:55 AM

robstones - 2019-05-04 5:33 PM

We need to start loving our former 1st round picks a little more.



Let's bring McIlrath back! It's McIlrath time!


Ha no, but I think there was definitely a window where he should've been promoted and given more NHL time, but instead was denied and it ruined him. He was ready. We all knew it here, and it was at a time when we needed a physical presence.

A lot of a players development and overall play is mental. The organization didn't do much to make him a confident player. Punished him for fighting.... even though it's a part of his game.... seemingly why they drafted him....
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:06 AM (#725949 - in reply to #725947)
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concust - 2019-06-06 9:53 AM

Mikey Red - 2019-06-05 4:50 PM

I would like to see the 2017 re draft


Mittlestadt 1OA?

Haha him or Necas...more importantly does Lias still get picked in Rd 1
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:20 AM (#725950 - in reply to #725948)
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robstones - 2019-06-06 7:17 AM

concust - 2019-05-09 10:55 AM

robstones - 2019-05-04 5:33 PM

We need to start loving our former 1st round picks a little more.



Let's bring McIlrath back! It's McIlrath time!


Ha no, but I think there was definitely a window where he should've been promoted and given more NHL time, but instead was denied and it ruined him. He was ready. We all knew it here, and it was at a time when we needed a physical presence.

A lot of a players development and overall play is mental. The organization didn't do much to make him a confident player. Punished him for fighting.... even though it's a part of his game.... seemingly why they drafted him....


I didn't like the pick when they drafted him, saw little to change my opinion afterwards. Maybe in a different era he would have been a good pick, but just didn't see the puck-moving ability, nor the speed in the defensive end that would make him a staple in today's game. Aside from that, I don't think it was a lack of opportunity as much as injuries that slowed down any potential he might have had
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:25 AM (#725952 - in reply to #723832)
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in 2010 Rangers missed Fowler Schwartz Tarasenko Watson Bjugstad Hayes Kuznetzov Coyle and Nelson...At the time of the pick Pierre said no way. Gordie should have been fired for that too
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:39 AM (#725953 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:47 AM (#725954 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-06-06 1:31 PM (#725955 - in reply to #725949)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-06 11:06 AM

concust - 2019-06-06 9:53 AM

Mikey Red - 2019-06-05 4:50 PM

I would like to see the 2017 re draft


Mittlestadt 1OA?

Haha him or Necas...more importantly does Lias still get picked in Rd 1


At this point, absolutely. There's no one outside the first round that would force themselves into the first round. So unless there are multiple prospects all doing this, then yes he's still a first rounder for sure. Top 10, highly doubtful. Personally I'd put him in the 15-20 range at this point in a redraft.
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:40 PM (#725960 - in reply to #723832)
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https://www.draftsite.com/mydraftsite/GMJack/nhl/redraft/2017/

Here's a redraft....

They reached for both Chytil and Andersson, mind you..... Chytil was seen as a 2nd rounder.... Rangers liked him, and grabbed him at 21.... now he's a top 10 pick in any redraft. If they picked him at 7 knowing what we know now, we'd have no problem with the pick..... most of us anyway.
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Andersson was on most boards at around the 13th 14th overall. He was always seen as a 1st rounder.... just not a top 10 pick. According to this he should've gone at 12

Had he slipped to 21st overall, he'd be seen as a steal! The fact that both players have as much NHL time under their belts as they do is a win. These players are still YOUNG! Cody Glass
hasn't seen NHL ice.... Lias has 49 games under his belt. Though he's not a rookie, this will be his first full season, and he should have plenty of talent to play with
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Posted 2019-09-03 11:51 AM (#727804 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-09-10 11:28 AM (#727895 - in reply to #723832)
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https://thehockeynews.com/video/article/adam-fox-talking-kaapo-kakko...
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