OFFICIAL: Rangers acquire Jacob Trouba for 2019 20th OA, nEaL PiOnK
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Posted 2019-06-17 5:51 PM (#726235)
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Posted 2019-06-17 5:58 PM (#726237 - in reply to #726235)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-06-17 7:51 PM

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Is that a good fukkkkkkkkkk or a bad fukkkkkkkkkk?
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Posted 2019-06-17 5:59 PM (#726238 - in reply to #726235)
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Well. I'm not the biggest Trouba guy but the return was reasonable to say the least. Gorton must know he can move at least one of Staal, Shattenkirk or Staal. My guess is Shattenkirk since they have 4 righties now and I don't think DeAngelo or Fox are sitting.
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Posted 2019-06-17 6:02 PM (#726239 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-17 6:07 PM (#726241 - in reply to #726235)
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What a steal. Laughing that some wanted to move Lias, and others said no way you could get Trouba for a lesser cost. Best GM in hockey. No deal, so that is some risk, but low as I'm sure he'll re-sign in July.

Have to move a RD otherwise ADA will be the 7th dman. That seems doubtful. Can they move Shattenkirk and add Panarin? That would have them in solid playoff contention next season. And back as a top team in 2 seasons.

Gorton is the man.


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Posted 2019-06-17 6:08 PM (#726242 - in reply to #726235)
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So essentially the trade is

To Winnipeg: Kevin Hayes + Neal Pionk

To NYR: Brandon Lemiuex + Jacob Trouba


Yeah.... we won this one BIG TIME!
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Posted 2019-06-17 6:20 PM (#726245 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-17 6:21 PM (#726247 - in reply to #726241)
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Quinn # 1 - 2019-06-17 8:07 PM

What a steal. Laughing that some wanted to move Lias, and others said no way you could get Trouba for a lesser cost. Best GM in hockey. No deal, so that is some risk, but low as I'm sure he'll re-sign in July.

Have to move a RD otherwise ADA will be the 7th dman. That seems doubtful. Can they move Shattenkirk and add Panarin? That would have them in solid playoff contention next season. And back as a top team in 2 seasons.

Gorton is the man.



We could only go buy the rumors and Yes if Winnipeg wanted him in this deal I wouldnt have even batted an eye
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Posted 2019-06-17 6:21 PM (#726248 - in reply to #726241)
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Quinn # 1 - 2019-06-17 8:07 PM

Can they move Shattenkirk and add Panarin?




I'm hoping Buffalo will give us the St. Louis #31 pick for Shatty.
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Posted 2019-06-17 6:25 PM (#726250 - in reply to #726235)
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A steal. Wow.
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Posted 2019-06-17 6:48 PM (#726251 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-17 6:49 PM (#726252 - in reply to #726235)
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Rob can we have a D pairing lineup please lol
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Posted 2019-06-17 7:06 PM (#726253 - in reply to #726252)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-17 8:49 PM

Rob can we have a D pairing lineup please lol


Skjei-Trouba

is solidified.... everything else is up in the air, but

Staal-Fox
Hajek-DeAngelo

is my guess

With Lindgren as the 7th swapping out for Staal and Hajek on the regular until they find a trade partner for Marc
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Posted 2019-06-17 7:19 PM (#726254 - in reply to #726253)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-17 8:49 PM

Rob can we have a D pairing lineup please lol


Skjei-Trouba

is solidified.... everything else is up in the air, but

Staal-Fox
Hajek-DeAngelo

is my guess

With Lindgren as the 7th swapping out for Staal and Hajek on the regular until they find a trade partner for Marc
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Posted 2019-06-17 7:20 PM (#726255 - in reply to #726235)
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Winnepeg's SB Nation page. Most slamming the trade.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-17 7:26 PM (#726256 - in reply to #726255)
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rjpny75 - 2019-06-17 9:20 PM

https://www.arcticicehockey.com/2019/6/17/18682942/winnipeg-jets-tra...

Winnepeg's SB Nation page. Most slamming the trade.
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Posted 2019-06-17 7:32 PM (#726257 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-17 7:33 PM (#726258 - in reply to #726235)
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That's a good trade, an established young d-man.
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Posted 2019-06-17 7:44 PM (#726261 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-17 7:49 PM (#726262 - in reply to #726254)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-17 9:19 PM

robstones - 2019-06-17 9:06 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-06-17 8:49 PM

Rob can we have a D pairing lineup please lol


Skjei-Trouba

is solidified.... everything else is up in the air, but

Staal-Fox
Hajek-DeAngelo

is my guess

With Lindgren as the 7th swapping out for Staal and Hajek on the regular until they find a trade partner for Marc


And don't forget Rykov! I always forget Rykov....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-17 7:57 PM (#726263 - in reply to #726235)
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Word is the FO loves Zegras....maybe we are not done yet. There is a commenter on another site that said 4 Months ago Gorton was all in on Trouba. He also said tonight Gorton is not done and bottom 6 toughness is coming
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Posted 2019-06-17 8:19 PM (#726264 - in reply to #726235)
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After reading the Brooks article over the weekend, I was a little concerned to see what they were going to give up to get him....this seems like a pretty cheap acquisition to address a need. The main downside is going to be the amount of money that he's going to tie up for probably seven years...without knowing how well he'll fit into New York, so it's certainly not without risk, but still.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-17 8:28 PM (#726265 - in reply to #726235)
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Usually when we pay these guys they are 29-30 already.....Ill pay the 25 yr old all day long
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Posted 2019-06-17 8:39 PM (#726266 - in reply to #726235)
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Winnipeg must have a kid in mind they want really bad in the draft. The Cheveldayoff watch is officially on. Trade one of your cornerstone defensemen for a bottom half first rounder and a lightweight. I cant believe Gorton pulled this off.
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Posted 2019-06-17 8:45 PM (#726267 - in reply to #726235)
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Totally R .....Maybe Jets have a kid ready to come up?
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Posted 2019-06-17 9:04 PM (#726268 - in reply to #726235)
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Trouba wanted out and the Jets might have had to give up players for cap room for 1 more year of Trouba and everybody knew it. The Jets were screwed.
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Posted 2019-06-17 9:20 PM (#726269 - in reply to #726268)
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Just think - even if the Rangers cannot get trade Hank, Shatt, Staal, Smith, they all come off after 2021 to the tune of $25 mill. cap space
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Posted 2019-06-17 10:37 PM (#726270 - in reply to #726235)
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Apparently competing teams started dropping out when they couldn't talk to him. That and like mentioned above Winnipeg in a cap crunch and the stars aligned for Gorton who is stacking up some nice trade wins, this one being one of his better.. Skjei and Trouba are apparently pretty tight. Pretty easy for Trouba to tell him where he wants to play. Gorton needs to sign him to wrap it up. I think it gets done real soon.

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Posted 2019-06-17 10:43 PM (#726271 - in reply to #726264)
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Fish - 2019-06-17 10:19 PM

After reading the Brooks article over the weekend, I was a little concerned to see what they were going to give up to get him....this seems like a pretty cheap acquisition to address a need. The main downside is going to be the amount of money that he's going to tie up for probably seven years...without knowing how well he'll fit into New York, so it's certainly not without risk, but still.


Well we're uniting him and Skjei who have been good friends since their time in the USA development program. Nieves was also a teammate of his in college....

But Skjei and Trouba should work well together
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Posted 2019-06-18 12:27 AM (#726272 - in reply to #726271)
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The Jets took Pionk? Neil Pionk? The guy who plays for the Rangers? Holy grand larceny, Batman! This trade is a WIN.

The JD Effect is starting already. If he can dump Shattenkirk and Fast before training camp while adding some toughness to the forward corps, I will be one happy fan when next season starts.
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Posted 2019-06-18 1:13 AM (#726276 - in reply to #726235)
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Brooks is an imbecile. He should have retired 10 years ago. He is clueless. His latest was there were no takers for Shattenkirk. I find that hard to believe. Especially if they are willing to retain salary.
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Posted 2019-06-18 2:51 AM (#726277 - in reply to #726235)
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I think this is a steal on paper.. Pionk and 20th pick for a solid NHL Dman... STEAL.. BUT .. the cost of having to resign him is in the 7 million range well north of 6 is what I have heard and read.. so the money is tough given that the Rangers have a lot in Shattenkirk skeji and Smith.. so look to buy out smith is my guess.. and lets not forget Staal too..

I also think York at the 20th pick will be a very solid player and will be as good as Trouba.. so the Rangers as much as it was a steal .. getting a young D man like York wouold have meant he would have matured with miller and fox and been 3 kids on the blue line.. but yes that is all IF he plays like he should... so I hope i am wrong and I hope he is great but my gut is long term this will hurt as York will be a guy the Rangers sign when he is 30..

but a steal for sure and he will fit in great and 25 is not that old.. I am hoping this is the sign that ****tenkirk is traded and smith too.

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Posted 2019-06-18 4:39 AM (#726278 - in reply to #726235)
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There was no chance the Rangers would have taken a defenseman at 20. They don't have room for the ones they have now. Skjei, Fox, DeAngelo, Hajek, Rykov, Lundqvist, Miller, Reaunen and Lindgren. That's 9 right there. Also the York to Trouba comparison is a bad one. York is another 5'11 defenseman. We have enough of those and don't need anymore. I think Trouba needs to improve his play in the playoffs. I've always stated he was overrated. Mainly because some make him out to be this elite defenseman. He's not. What he is, is something this team lacks. A big, righty, physical defenseman who can play effectively against top lines most of the time so at the trade cost, I'll take it. I'm not expecting him to save this team. I think he can contribute to a winning team and make life more difficult for the other teams best players.

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Posted 2019-06-18 5:05 AM (#726279 - in reply to #726235)
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A trade you cannot pass up. I was concerned when hearing Anderson , the other Swedish D prospect and #1 no being enough for this guy. He is good and a young upgrade but not convinced yet he is the stud top tier dman. Glad we have him but it feels awfully cheap and that has me on edge. Kind of like when a player takes the home town discount? Bizarre that Jets would not allow contact with the agent seems suicidal unless this kid is a 1/2 a prick!
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Posted 2019-06-18 5:13 AM (#726280 - in reply to #726235)
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The trade is great, but I agree now you are gonna have to pay him big & is he worth that $$$ & this is NY & Rangers NOT Loosepeg, the game is a 'little' different especially for d-man as we know? We will see, but 25 is a good age to take a chance.
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Posted 2019-06-18 6:46 AM (#726281 - in reply to #726257)
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Hahaha excellent Eddie.
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Posted 2019-06-18 6:52 AM (#726282 - in reply to #726280)
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You can't say York is gonna be as good as Trouba right now....thats silly. Rangers are loaded for F'n bear now. there is a new concept and culture. We are making a team full of big kids. We now have 12 first round picks in our lineup right now.

How bad is it in Winnipeg? rumors many players want out.... Did Trouba tell Chevy he is only going to sign long term with the Rangers because of the Wife thing? Chevy is known as a ball buster. Last time we tried to make this deal a guy on the BSU radio podcast said his info was Trouba for Skjei and JT Miller.

Is this the new NHL where you aren't gonna get good value back for your good players?

Word is Gorton is absolutely not done here....OMG Trouba is on cap friendly woooooooo

Big Bad Rangers are coming
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:02 AM (#726283 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:06 AM (#726285 - in reply to #726282)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 5:52 AM

Word is Gorton is absolutely not done here....OMG Trouba is on cap friendly woooooooo

Big Bad Rangers are coming


We'll have to wait and see whether hes ultimately cap-friendly, wouldn't be surprised to see 6-7 year deal with possibly $6-7M per year...not sure that's particularly cap friendly
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:13 AM (#726286 - in reply to #726235)
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Haha Mikey clear the track. This is a no brainer once the Rangers knew Pionk and the 20th would do it. Even if he doesn't sign long term dump him prior to the next deadline, Gorton has himself in a position of he's not going to get less back if he has to trade him. But He's here to stay, and signifies a pretty big move or two on the D coming up. I think Shattenkirk is gone somehow, and the Rangers keep Staal another year unless there is a low cost option to move him. Looking like Trouba, Staal, Skjei, DeAngelo, and Hajek, Fox and Lindgren. Bring it.

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Posted 2019-06-18 7:16 AM (#726287 - in reply to #726285)
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Fish - 2019-06-18 8:06 AM

Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 5:52 AM

Word is Gorton is absolutely not done here....OMG Trouba is on cap friendly woooooooo

Big Bad Rangers are coming


We'll have to wait and see whether hes ultimately cap-friendly, wouldn't be surprised to see 6-7 year deal with possibly $6-7M per year...not sure that's particularly cap friendly


Fish your numbers would be a steal. (another steal?) Expect 7 years $7.5m at a minimum would be my guess.

I was never a "Trouba-guy", not because he's not a good defenseman but I didn't see value in trading for him and then having to pony up for the contract. The trade is by any account a steal, the numbers if they can work out to what I have above is not that bad especially if you're sunsetting older, worse contracts. It might be a slight "new york premium" but if you're going to overpay a guy, make it a 25 year old entering his prime, rather than overpaying a couple of depth guys.

Just keep in mind though, Trouba is instantly our best defenseman but he's not an elite defenseman, he's not even a top-10 defenseman. There's still a ton of work to be done on the defensive side of the puck. This is definitely a good start though.
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:22 AM (#726288 - in reply to #726286)
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Haha Mikey clear the track. This is a no brainer once the Rangers knew Pionk and the 20th would do it. Even if he doesn't sign long term dump him prior to the next deadline, Gorton has himself in a position of he's not going to get less back if he has to trade him. But He's here to stay, and signifies a pretty big move or two on the D coming up. I think Shattenkirk is gone somehow, and the Rangers keep Staal another year unless there is a low cost option to move him. Looking like Trouba, Staal, Skjei, DeAngelo, and Hajek, Fox and Lindgren. Bring it.


Even though they got him cheap, I fully expect them to do what it takes to sign him long term. Word is that teams dropped out once they realized that they weren't allowed to talk to Trouba's agent, so any team looking to acquire him would need to do so with a high level of confidence that Trouba would sign there. (He's no stranger to holdouts after all). That drove the price down to the absolute floor.

I think you're right, this signals the end of Shattenkirk one way or another. You can't add Fox and Trouba to the right side and expect Shattenkirk to stay around. If they don't find a taker for him even at 50% retained (prior to or at the draft) they'll probably buy him out in the last week. Just my guess but looking at the numbers I don't see how it could work any other way. They could move Smith but that has a smaller impact on the cap, and then you're just carrying Shattenkirk as a 6/7 defenseman? Doesn't make sense.
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:39 AM (#726290 - in reply to #726235)
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Chevaldayoff had to know this day could be coming. He thought he would be able to make a better deal this summer when they went for it in last year's playoffs. He backed himsrlf into a corner with Trouba, couldn't sign him and desperately needed cap room. Very poorly played by Cheveldayoff.
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:46 AM (#726292 - in reply to #726235)
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Absolute home run of a deal.....and yes dance partners dropped out because its obvious Trouba said NYC only...LGR! Stud top pair RD.... I think Ryan Reaves is coming too
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 9:46 AM

Absolute home run of a deal.....and yes dance partners dropped out because its obvious Trouba said NYC only...LGR! Stud top pair RD.... I think Ryan Reaves is coming too

What makes you say that?
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 9:46 AM

Absolute home run of a deal.....and yes dance partners dropped out because its obvious Trouba said NYC only...LGR! Stud top pair RD.... I think Ryan Reaves is coming too

What makes you say that?

There is a guy on another site who seems to be connected with info ....he said Gorton isn’t done and bottom 6 toughness is coming at the draft...JD had Reaves in St. Louis...I have come across those thoughts out there lately
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Posted 2019-06-18 8:15 AM (#726296 - in reply to #726295)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 7:06 AM

ej17 - 2019-06-18 9:58 AM

Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 9:46 AM

Absolute home run of a deal.....and yes dance partners dropped out because its obvious Trouba said NYC only...LGR! Stud top pair RD.... I think Ryan Reaves is coming too

What makes you say that?

There is a guy on another site who seems to be connected with info ....he said Gorton isn’t done and bottom 6 toughness is coming at the draft...JD had Reaves in St. Louis...I have come across those thoughts out there lately




Good to hear if true, Ranger's never clicked with a fourth line last year. Good teams have good fourth lines not so good teams don't.
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Posted 2019-06-18 9:00 AM (#726299 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 9:31 AM (#726306 - in reply to #726235)
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Successful modern teams employ 3 scoring lines and a fourth shutdown line. Rather than a guy like Reaves I'd much rather see toughness paired with defensive acumen. St Louis played this to a tee this year, they actually really started being successful once they got their fourth line working well together. It showed how valuable they were in the playoffs too, when their 4th unit had to be broken up it was generally a loss for the Blues. When you have basically nobodies that can match up against the other team's first line, and shut them down as the Blues did, that is an advantage that's greater than having an extra elite winger.
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Posted 2019-06-18 9:34 AM (#726307 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 10:08 AM (#726308 - in reply to #726235)
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He wasn't though. Binnington was a story because he was a rookie backstopping a good team. His playoff performance was not great.
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Posted 2019-06-18 10:23 AM (#726309 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 2:48 PM (#726311 - in reply to #726285)
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I've seen Trouba play for the Jets for years now. This is highway robbery on the part of the Rangers. They didn't even really give up any futures. They just handed back the pick from the Hayes rental and tossed them a UFDA who is, at best, a third pairing defender. Insanely bad move by Cheveldayoff, even given the circumstances he was in. But hey, who cares? For all the flack I gave Gorton the past couple years, he done did good here.

Fish - 2019-06-18 8:06 AM

We'll have to wait and see whether hes ultimately cap-friendly, wouldn't be surprised to see 6-7 year deal with possibly $6-7M per year...not sure that's particularly cap friendly


For a legit 1st-pairing RHD with size, speed, and shooting ability, who plays an in-your-face physical game and is effective in all situations? And is only 25!?!? If you get him for that amount you sit back and laugh.

Now Gorton's gotta put his focus on signing RFA's deciding which guys (like Kreider) should stay, and try to find some takers for the three albatrosses on the blueline. But I like this deal as well as the move to acquire Fox.



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Av-merican - 2019-06-18 4:48 PM

I've seen Trouba play for the Jets for years now. This is highway robbery on the part of the Rangers. They didn't even really give up any futures. They just handed back the pick from the Hayes rental and tossed them a UFDA who is, at best, a third pairing defender. Insanely bad move by Cheveldayoff, even given the circumstances he was in. But hey, who cares? For all the flack I gave Gorton the past couple years, he done did good here.

Fish - 2019-06-18 8:06 AM

We'll have to wait and see whether hes ultimately cap-friendly, wouldn't be surprised to see 6-7 year deal with possibly $6-7M per year...not sure that's particularly cap friendly


For a legit 1st-pairing RHD with size, speed, and shooting ability, who plays an in-your-face physical game and is effective in all situations? And is only 25!?!? If you get him for that amount you sit back and laugh.

Now Gorton's gotta put his focus on signing RFA's deciding which guys (like Kreider) should stay, and try to find some takers for the three albatrosses on the blueline. But I like this deal as well as the move to acquire Fox.


Absolutely! We have nothing in our system of his caliber
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Posted 2019-06-18 3:02 PM (#726313 - in reply to #726235)
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Mike your posts count will drop like 90% after the Trouba trade.
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Posted 2019-06-18 3:13 PM (#726314 - in reply to #726235)
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What has made JETS GM to trade Trouba for such a low low price?
1st round pick but it’s number 20 so that’s high number in order to have a bragging rights.
Salary cap perhaps as Fish has mentioned in his post?
Perhaps JETS GM wanted to redeem himself by getting back and hope for the best the #20 draft after losing #13.
Simply Trouba forced the trade to be a Ranger and gave JETS GM no choice?
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Posted 2019-06-18 3:26 PM (#726317 - in reply to #726314)
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Blue404 - 2019-06-18 5:13 PM

What has made JETS GM to trade Trouba for such a low low price?
1st round pick but it’s number 20 so that’s high number in order to have a bragging rights.
Salary cap perhaps as Fish has mentioned in his post?
Perhaps JETS GM wanted to redeem himself by getting back and hope for the best the #20 draft after losing #13.
Simply Trouba forced the trade to be a Ranger and gave JETS GM no choice?

Blue we finally did it! Wooooooooo Make the Rangers Great Again....Yep Trouba clearly made it known he will only sign long term with us thus chasing all of the Jets dance partners away and sending the price straight down to the sub floor
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Posted 2019-06-18 3:28 PM (#726318 - in reply to #726235)
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Reaves was very good for Las V in their run two years ago. That being said others are also out there that can probably kill penalties and settle opposing players down which is huge as seasons and playoffs wear on. Limited role players have gone by the bye.
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Posted 2019-06-18 3:54 PM (#726319 - in reply to #726317)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 3:26 PM

Blue404 - 2019-06-18 5:13 PM

What has made JETS GM to trade Trouba for such a low low price?
1st round pick but it’s number 20 so that’s high number in order to have a bragging rights.
Salary cap perhaps as Fish has mentioned in his post?
Perhaps JETS GM wanted to redeem himself by getting back and hope for the best the #20 draft after losing #13.
Simply Trouba forced the trade to be a Ranger and gave JETS GM no choice?

Blue we finally did it! Wooooooooo Make the Rangers Great Again....Yep Trouba clearly made it known he will only sign long term with us thus chasing all of the Jets dance partners away and sending the price straight down to the sub floor


A friend told me, I was not aware, the wife wants to live & work in NY.
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Posted 2019-06-18 4:36 PM (#726320 - in reply to #726319)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2019-06-18 5:54 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 3:26 PM

Blue404 - 2019-06-18 5:13 PM

What has made JETS GM to trade Trouba for such a low low price?
1st round pick but it’s number 20 so that’s high number in order to have a bragging rights.
Salary cap perhaps as Fish has mentioned in his post?
Perhaps JETS GM wanted to redeem himself by getting back and hope for the best the #20 draft after losing #13.
Simply Trouba forced the trade to be a Ranger and gave JETS GM no choice?

Blue we finally did it! Wooooooooo Make the Rangers Great Again....Yep Trouba clearly made it known he will only sign long term with us thus chasing all of the Jets dance partners away and sending the price straight down to the sub floor


A friend told me, I was not aware, the wife wants to live & work in NY.

Yep...that was the driving force all along...She is in Med School and apparently has a job lined up or only wants to practice in NYC
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Posted 2019-06-18 4:37 PM (#726321 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:00 PM (#726323 - in reply to #726235)
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Can we start a rumor that Shattenkirk has evidence that HRC assassinated Kennedy?
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:05 PM (#726324 - in reply to #726323)
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Can we start a rumor that Shattenkirk has evidence that HRC assassinated Kennedy?
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:55 PM (#726325 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:56 PM (#726326 - in reply to #726321)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 6:37 PM

Blue....Trouba!
Seems I was incorrect,the count will go up.

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Posted 2019-06-18 8:00 PM (#726327 - in reply to #726326)
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Blue404 - 2019-06-18 9:56 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 6:37 PM

Blue....Trouba!
Seems I was incorrect,the count will go up.

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Posted 2019-06-18 8:06 PM (#726328 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 8:13 PM (#726329 - in reply to #726235)
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Hayes very close to signing in Philly
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Posted 2019-06-19 7:35 AM (#726330 - in reply to #726313)
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Mike your posts count will drop like 90% after the Trouba trade.


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Posted 2019-06-19 8:45 AM (#726331 - in reply to #726235)
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It looks like Hayes just got Kreider traded.7.15 mil for Hayes? a 3C on a good team...55 pts. What does Duchene get? what does Panarin get?
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Posted 2019-06-19 11:44 AM (#726333 - in reply to #726235)
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That's a lot of $$$ for 50 pts, wow, Cheesestakes good luck, but that team can score so Hayes stats may do well & go up.
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Posted 2019-06-19 11:48 AM (#726334 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-19 1:42 PM (#726336 - in reply to #726235)
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The Hayes deal the gift that keeps on giving. Let him soak that much of Philly cap lol. They can have him.
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Posted 2019-06-19 1:53 PM (#726337 - in reply to #726235)
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Hayes is batting 1000, he went 3-for-3 with 3 homers, he wanted to be UFA, he wanted to stay on the East Coast, he wanted to get as much $ as he can get.
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Posted 2019-06-19 3:39 PM (#726341 - in reply to #726235)
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Hayes for 7 years at 7.14mill per year. That is a serious commitment. Chewy is showing full love for Hayes. The Flyers have lots of firepower and Hayes adds more, but they have lost some toughness with Gudas and Simmonds gone. The Chewy Ice Capades are coming to Philly.
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Posted 2019-06-20 7:18 AM (#726353 - in reply to #726341)
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Hayes for 7 years at 7.14mill per year. That is a serious commitment. Chewy is showing full love for Hayes. The Flyers have lots of firepower and Hayes adds more, but they have lost some toughness with Gudas and Simmonds gone. The Chewy Ice Capades are coming to Philly.


I'm a little surprised Hayes wanted to go back to playing for AV honestly - AV used him in heavily defensive situations and while Hayes is pretty good at that, it also suppressed his production quite a bit. Playing for Quinn and WPG he was on pace for a little over 10 more points than on the AV teams.

I guess the other side of the coin is that this is almost guaranteed to be his last contract so who cares, he's going to get paid whatever his production is.
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Posted 2019-06-20 7:38 AM (#726354 - in reply to #726235)
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It's going to be sad watching him devolve into Philly trash....
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Posted 2019-06-20 7:40 AM (#726355 - in reply to #726235)
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NO WAY do I sign Krieder for that crazy Hayes money.........

Rangers brass' quote draft night whether they get Hughes or Kappo, "This is the guy we wanted the whole time, we would've taken him at 1"
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Posted 2019-06-20 1:18 PM (#726363 - in reply to #726235)
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Philly fans don't like soft players, especially with size like Hayes. I picture him being booed quite often..
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-06-20 9:40 AM

NO WAY do I sign Krieder for that crazy Hayes money.........

Rangers brass' quote draft night whether they get Hughes or Kappo, "This is the guy we wanted the whole time, we would've taken him at 1"


Of course. What do you think they would say? “We really wanted the other guy?”

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Posted 2019-06-20 2:37 PM (#726365 - in reply to #726364)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-06-20 9:40 AM

NO WAY do I sign Krieder for that crazy Hayes money.........

Rangers brass' quote draft night whether they get Hughes or Kappo, "This is the guy we wanted the whole time, we would've taken him at 1"


Of course. What do you think they would say? “We really wanted the other guy?”


Ice is cold!
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Posted 2019-06-20 5:19 PM (#726367 - in reply to #726364)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-06-20 9:40 AM

NO WAY do I sign Krieder for that crazy Hayes money.........

Rangers brass' quote draft night whether they get Hughes or Kappo, "This is the guy we wanted the whole time, we would've taken him at 1"


Of course. What do you think they would say? “We really wanted the other guy?”



Nope!
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Posted 2019-06-20 5:21 PM (#726369 - in reply to #726367)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-06-20 7:19 PM

Steady Eddie - 2019-06-20 2:05 PM

Rangerjunkie - 2019-06-20 9:40 AM

NO WAY do I sign Krieder for that crazy Hayes money.........

Rangers brass' quote draft night whether they get Hughes or Kappo, "This is the guy we wanted the whole time, we would've taken him at 1"


Of course. What do you think they would say? “We really wanted the other guy?”



Nope!
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Posted 2019-06-26 2:54 PM (#726844 - in reply to #726235)
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They no longer need Smith or Shattenkirk. Unless there is a knockout trade for Staal there is no need to rush into a buyout with him. He's the least of the problem among those three. Plenty of vet presence with Staal, Trouba and to a lessor degree DeAngelo, and Skjei. Zero need or reason to saddle Quinn with Shattenkirk and Smith.

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Posted 2019-06-28 12:21 PM (#726881 - in reply to #726235)
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Trouba negotiating a deal, sounds like they're talking $7.5-8m for 7 years.

Seems a touch high to me, but i'd rather overpay Trouba a bit over 7 years then overpay a third liner that ends up in the press box every other night.

Also remember this would be 1x RFA year and 6x UFA years so that's pretty close to market rate.
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Posted 2019-06-28 12:47 PM (#726882 - in reply to #726235)
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I agree would prefer $6-$7 but realize probably more for a 25 year old.
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Posted 2019-06-28 4:01 PM (#726885 - in reply to #726235)
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Sure, less is better, but we'll have so many ELC contracts that it will certainly take the sting out of it. Trouba is not an elite defenseman but that isn't elite money either.
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Posted 2019-06-28 5:48 PM (#726889 - in reply to #726235)
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It costs money to buy up ufa years for very good defensemen. With Trouba's new importance to the Rangers and more responsibility and reliance by the Ranger, his sense of worth will go up.. I dont think he was anywhere near 100% with his game in Winnipeg, it's very hard to perform to capacity when you don't want to be there. He didn't, he does in NYC, his game will spike.

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Posted 2019-07-24 11:32 AM (#727388 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-07-24 2:30 PM (#727395 - in reply to #726235)
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It's hard to say if he can "justify" the contract, given there are few direct comparables.

Keep in mind this is one RFA year and 6 UFA years so it's much more comparable to a UFA contract.

He's young especially for a UFA, so that adds value to the contract.

He was 13th in scoring for defensemen
-5th in scoring among RHD

Plays in all situations (which may have limited his offensive output)

It's difficult to find a direct comparable but if you look at UFA contracts for 50+ point defensemen, signed at a similar age, dating back even 10 years, you'll find that this contract is already pretty comparable. Basically all Trouba needs to do to live up to it is to put up 45+ points for the bulk of the years, and that will almost definitely keep the spotlight off his deal.
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