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Jack Eichel says there has been a disconnect between him and the Sabres regarding his injury. He said he'd be lying if he said things went smoothly.

He says his main goal is to be ready to play next season ... WHEREVER THAT MAY BE.



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Jack Eichel says the herniated disk in his neck may still require surgery. He's been learning as much as he can about the injury.



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Jack Eichel on him and the Sabres: "I've got to do what's best for me and they've got to do what's best for them. ... There's a lot to process. ... I'm sure these conversations will be had and things will go from there."


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Jack Eichel: "I have a lot of thinking to do in this offseason. I think that there's a lot that I have to consider. But for now, obviously, I'm here."


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Jack Eichel essentially says the Sabres wouldn't let him have surgery on his herniated disk in his neck.

His body, his choice?

"It doesn't work like that. I wish. ... I'm under contract with this team and they definitely hold a lot of cards on what I can and can't do."
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Posted 2021-05-10 10:58 AM (#779648 - in reply to #779645)
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He's gone, and he will be a Ranger. Go buy your Eichel jersey now Rangers fans.

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Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-10 12:58 PM

He's gone, and he will be a Ranger. Go buy your Eichel jersey now Rangers fans.



Why would anybody give $10 million a year for damaged goods? Oh wait... Dolan.

A herniated disk is a worrisome condition. I'm no doctor, but to have it in your neck sounds outright frightening.



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Posted 2021-05-10 11:31 AM (#779653 - in reply to #779645)
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Many athletes have come back and been fine. But yes, we absolutely need to do our due diligence on his health.

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Posted 2021-05-11 6:54 AM (#779663 - in reply to #779645)
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Why would they want him period? The Rangers need to start factoring in winners into the player attributes equation. They need to start bringing in not just physical players but winners. They have a need for a power forward or two that can play on the top six. A center would be great if he checks all the boxes, and Eichel has racked up some points, all the while not making his team any better since he got there. If they keep Zib which I'm sure they will, you have he and Eichel who both have to prove they can play through the increasing intensity of competition as the Stanley Cup playoffs evolve. Enough question marks about Zib let alone Eichel. I see him as another in a mile long list of Ranger shiny pennies, throw him the vault because he's perceived as best available with no idea if he is a fit. No thanks.
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Posted 2021-05-11 7:17 AM (#779666 - in reply to #779645)
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Not sure that is fair on Eichel. The guy is a stud, and Buffalo is a joke of an organization, and has been for a very long time now. That doesn't mean there is not some merit to what you are saying, there is of course, but I don't think it is fair to lay that on Eichel.

With that said, I like Eichel and want him here for the right price if he clears medically, but it isn't Eichel or bust. If we add another C, and I would target one of the Flames duo (Monahan or Lindholm) if we cannot get Eichel and Barkov is unavailable, I will be okay.

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Posted 2021-05-11 9:06 AM (#779667 - in reply to #779666)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-11 6:17 AM

Not sure that is fair on Eichel. The guy is a stud, and Buffalo is a joke of an organization, and has been for a very long time now. That doesn't mean there is not some merit to what you are saying, there is of course, but I don't think it is fair to lay that on Eichel.

With that said, I like Eichel and want him here for the right price if he clears medically, but it isn't Eichel or bust. If we add another C, and I would target one of the Flames duo (Monahan or Lindholm) if we cannot get Eichel and Barkov is unavailable, I will be okay.





How many times have you seen Eichel play? I’ve seen him maybe 10 times. You have never seen him tested in the playoffs, no one has. Unless hockey people see someone excel in different environments and when it matters most the playoffs it’s a crapshoot. I’m not saying he is a dog but what I wrote is true. He has legitimate question marks on his resume. Like Zibanejad does, who’s performance against better teams in the division this year was weak. No matter how much you like Eichel he’s still a untested commodity.
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Posted 2021-05-11 9:37 AM (#779669 - in reply to #779667)
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LaFrenger - 2021-05-11 11:06 AM

Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-11 6:17 AM

Not sure that is fair on Eichel. The guy is a stud, and Buffalo is a joke of an organization, and has been for a very long time now. That doesn't mean there is not some merit to what you are saying, there is of course, but I don't think it is fair to lay that on Eichel.

With that said, I like Eichel and want him here for the right price if he clears medically, but it isn't Eichel or bust. If we add another C, and I would target one of the Flames duo (Monahan or Lindholm) if we cannot get Eichel and Barkov is unavailable, I will be okay.





How many times have you seen Eichel play? I’ve seen him maybe 10 times. You have never seen him tested in the playoffs, no one has. Unless hockey people see someone excel in different environments and when it matters most the playoffs it’s a crapshoot. I’m not saying he is a dog but what I wrote is true. He has legitimate question marks on his resume. Like Zibanejad does, who’s performance against better teams in the division this year was weak. No matter how much you like Eichel he’s still a untested commodity.


I don't think I am qualified to comment on Eichel's condition, but spinal issues like concussions don't get better by crashing your body into other things at 30 MPH. The fact that he never returned to play this season and team doctors advised against surgery could be a red flag...

I would steer clear of Eichel... We need a rugged face off winning center who can mesh with our talent.


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Posted 2021-05-11 9:57 AM (#779671 - in reply to #779669)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2021-05-11 8:37 AM

LaFrenger - 2021-05-11 11:06 AM

Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-11 6:17 AM

Not sure that is fair on Eichel. The guy is a stud, and Buffalo is a joke of an organization, and has been for a very long time now. That doesn't mean there is not some merit to what you are saying, there is of course, but I don't think it is fair to lay that on Eichel.

With that said, I like Eichel and want him here for the right price if he clears medically, but it isn't Eichel or bust. If we add another C, and I would target one of the Flames duo (Monahan or Lindholm) if we cannot get Eichel and Barkov is unavailable, I will be okay.





How many times have you seen Eichel play? I’ve seen him maybe 10 times. You have never seen him tested in the playoffs, no one has. Unless hockey people see someone excel in different environments and when it matters most the playoffs it’s a crapshoot. I’m not saying he is a dog but what I wrote is true. He has legitimate question marks on his resume. Like Zibanejad does, who’s performance against better teams in the division this year was weak. No matter how much you like Eichel he’s still a untested commodity.


I don't think I am qualified to comment on Eichel's condition, but spinal issues like concussions don't get better by crashing your body into other things at 30 MPH. The fact that he never returned to play this season and team doctors advised against surgery could be a red flag...

I would steer clear of Eichel... We need a rugged face off winning center who can mesh with our talent.





I’m with you Pierre, sign Strome if reasonable and his contract has some outs, continue the search til you get a guy that checks all the boxes hopefully with a ring or two. At not much more than Eichel cost and with the team a little more evolved. The roster plus a dman or two from the system, third line or fourth line faceoff guy with some punch and the Rangers have no excuse to not make the playoffs. A coach of course.
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Posted 2021-05-11 10:04 AM (#779673 - in reply to #779645)
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I have seen Eichel play a ton, I get Buffalo games on MSG. He is a stud. If he checks out medically, I would trade for him if the package is reasonable.

With regards to Strome, we know that isn't happening, and nor should it. I like Strome, but he is not a # 2 C on a SC team, and I think based on comments from leadership, they are aware of that as well. We'll add a top 6 C for sure I think, even if it isn't Eichel (which is fine with me).

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Posted 2021-05-11 1:54 PM (#779677 - in reply to #779645)
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Good points by Brooks - and why I think you have to go after a guy like Eichel if available (or a stud like him - not Eichel or bust for a stud):

I have made it clear that I believe the Rangers need to do far more than improve on the margins. I believe they need to hunt for big game to change the dynamic of their top six, and yes, of course if there is any way to pry Matthew Tkachuk out of Calgary that should become Drury’s singular obsession. There is nobody, but nobody, who would be a better fit.

Of course the bounty sent the other way would be massive. The Rangers have four players with no-move clauses in Artemi Panarin, Mika Zibanejad, Chris Kreider and Jacob Trouba, none of whom would suit the Flames, anyway.

I’d wall off Igor Shesterkin, Adam Fox and Alexis Lafreniere as untouchable, I’d designate Ryan Lindgren nearly untouchable and go from there.

Does that mean I’m in a hurry to move Kaapo Kakko? No. Or K’Andre Miller? Certainly not. But as I have said before, the Rangers are going to have to trade someone they don’t want to sacrifice in order to get a transformational top-six player.

Maybe I am wrong, but I don’t envision a package consisting of a permutation of Filip Chytil, Pavel Buchnevich, Vitali Kravtsov, Zac Jones, Nils Lundkvist and future first-rounders getting it done.

Do you think Neil Smith wanted to trade Tony Amonte?

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Posted 2021-05-11 3:02 PM (#779679 - in reply to #779645)
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I'd love to have Tkachuk, though I think the Flames would be crazy to deal him, even if it meant shedding Lucic's last two years as well. Tkachuk is close to the youngest player on the Flames roster, and while he's already earning $7M a year at 23 and is due a bigger contract at the end of next season, it would be a tough sell to their fan base I would think.

But say they do decide to do it, then I think you're probably looking at something like Buchnevich, Kakko and Lundkvist going the other way. Sure there could be other configurations, but I think the best player in the deal is obviously Tkachuk, and Flames wouldn't hurt to have a little more youth and depth, as well as getting out from under Lucic's contract.

Now from the Rangers perspective, you avoid spending big on Buchnevich, give up two Blue Chips in Kakko and Lundqvist, but there's already not enough space on the wing for everyone, so there you go. It would make it more difficult to also address the 2C position, in that you'd realistically need to deal either Kreider or Trouba to make room for that, which then puts more pressure on wing or defense again...so there's that.

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Posted 2021-05-11 3:28 PM (#779681 - in reply to #779645)
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Well written. I agree with your points. Also agree that you'd have to be okay dealing Kakko, Buch, Lundkvist, and picks for Tkachuk. At days end I doubt the Flames move him though, and quite honestly we need a C more than a winger. I would look at the Calgary C's Monahan and Lindholm if I could not get Eichel. You have to think the Flames are open for business after missing the playoffs in a weak division.

I also think they could use some goalie support, so maybe Georgiev could interest them in a package with Buch, a dman, and a pick for one of their C's.

Georgiev, Buch, Jones, 3rd or 4th FOR Monahan or Lindholm

Watch the Flames, they could be a great match.


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Posted 2021-05-11 7:21 PM (#779682 - in reply to #779673)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-11 9:04 AM

I have seen Eichel play a ton, I get Buffalo games on MSG. He is a stud. If he checks out medically, I would trade for him if the package is reasonable.

With regards to Strome, we know that isn't happening, and nor should it. I like Strome, but he is not a # 2 C on a SC team, and I think based on comments from leadership, they are aware of that as well. We'll add a top 6 C for sure I think, even if it isn't Eichel (which is fine with me).







I’m not saying Strome is a number 2 center on a Stanley Cup team. He’s a stopgap until you find a guy without a major injury issue, and is a proven playoff performer. Not a should be.
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Posted 2021-05-12 5:44 AM (#779685 - in reply to #779645)
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Makes sense. I just think that gap will be filled this summer, so the Strome stopgap will not be needed.

I would guess he gets moved this summer for a top 6 C (be it Eichel or other). Buch maybe gets moved also to save the 5.5 mill or more he'll be looking for in a new deal. Can we keep Chytil or does he have to go? How do we add some toughness/grit as well.

A lot of fun questions to be addressed this summer.

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Posted 2021-05-15 1:47 PM (#779760 - in reply to #779645)
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For those of you who do not want to see Eichel on the Rangers, sounds like the Kings will make a big play for him. Plus I read the Sabres would prefer not to deal him to us if everything was close to equal. We are his desired location, and they are not inclined to satisfy that desire, and they would like to deal him West if close to equal.

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Posted 2021-05-15 4:25 PM (#779761 - in reply to #779645)
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I'm not sold on Eichel
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Posted 2021-05-16 5:29 AM (#779762 - in reply to #779761)
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Cap'nMess - 2021-05-15 7:25 PM

I'm not sold on Eichel


Agree.
Signing eichel means the Rangers would then have a decision on Zib - do they really want to tie up $36m in 4 forwards? If not, who replaces Zib? No Zib means the #2 C slot search begins again. Can Drury match the brassard for Zib trade with a Zib trade? Also, after last season, Zib's value might be low.

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Posted 2021-05-17 7:25 AM (#779773 - in reply to #779762)
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x10003q - 2021-05-16 7:29 AM

Cap'nMess - 2021-05-15 7:25 PM

I'm not sold on Eichel


Agree.
Signing eichel means the Rangers would then have a decision on Zib - do they really want to tie up $36m in 4 forwards? If not, who replaces Zib? No Zib means the #2 C slot search begins again. Can Drury match the brassard for Zib trade with a Zib trade? Also, after last season, Zib's value might be low.



Agree and Agree...

Any deal for Eichel in my mind must be carefully medically scrutinized... His condition also has bearing on what his trade value really is. Any risk to the possible negative aspects of his injury needs to be weighted.
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Posted 2021-05-18 6:41 AM (#779779 - in reply to #779645)
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Say no to crack and Jack.
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x10003q - 2021-05-16 7:29 AM

Cap'nMess - 2021-05-15 7:25 PM

I'm not sold on Eichel


Agree.
Signing eichel means the Rangers would then have a decision on Zib - do they really want to tie up $36m in 4 forwards? If not, who replaces Zib? No Zib means the #2 C slot search begins again. Can Drury match the brassard for Zib trade with a Zib trade? Also, after last season, Zib's value might be low.



Agree as well. But I don't see Zib's value being much less than last year. We and all GM's know his slow start was due to COVID hangover. When he got over that, he was really good.
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Posted 2021-05-18 3:45 PM (#779783 - in reply to #779645)
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The New York Rangers are in the market for another top center. One name that should be on their shopping list is Sean Monahan with the Calgary Flames. He hasn’t been officially put on the market, but there is a chance they will at least listen to offers this summer.

Here are Sean Monahan’s vital statistics that everyone should know:

Age – 26
Pos – C
H/W – 6’2?, 200 lbs
Shoots – Left

Now let’s dive into the numbers that count. He has two years remaining on a deal that has a $6.375 AAV and is coming off a down season. Some believe that it would lower the cost of acquisition, but I doubt it. However, he had hip surgery and is expected to be ready for next season. That could be a factor to drive the cost down, not one bad season.

For his career, Monahan has 439 points in 591 games. That is a points per game average of .74 since he broke into the NHL at 19 and played 75 games. Back in 2018-19, Monahan scored 82 points in 78 games. He’s potted 30 goals three times in his 8 years in the league as well. All very solid 2C numbers for sure, maybe even 1A.

I know what you are thinking. Can he win face-offs? The answer is yes. While he’s not a specialist, he has a career average in the dots of 50.2 and can hold his own. Monahan is also very good defensively, and does not take bad penalties. Like I said, read the reviews and make sure to hit Add to Cart.

So what would it take to acquire Monahan should he become an available item? That’s a good question and one that isn’t easily answered. What are the Flames in need of? Cap space for one. Heading into next season Calgary has about $14 million to play with and only have 13 players under contract.

Could the Rangers acquire a player like Monahan using cost controlled assets like center/winger Filip Chytil and defenseman Zac Jones? That may not be enough, but it could be a solid starting point. Remember, Calgary has a highly touted prospect in Connor Zary that could debut next season too. They have their own lost cost options coming in, but does it make sense to play Zary on the 4th line?

Right now the main objective of this article is to call attention to whom should be on Chris Drury’s trade shopping list for centers. If Monahan becomes officially available, the ask from GM Brad Reliving will be made clearer.

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Posted 2021-05-20 7:04 AM (#779798 - in reply to #779645)
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I'll save you a lot of worrying about Monahan he's a lightweight in the physical dept. and Calgary who desperately needs his offense will trade him. If he's going to lead the Rangers to a cup he'd be a big time player for Calgary and why would they trade him. Do the math. Calgary hasn't been happy with the totality of his game since he got there. If the Rangers are going to keep Zib then you have to have some different skills in the other number one center that's brought in. He has to be a lot more physical for one, so whoever is coaching the Rangers has a prayer with matchups and doesn't have to overuse a third or fourth line against another teams best.
Panarin and Strome have something going that makes Panarin very happy and that's obvious. Beware trading your star players favorite center to soon. Beef up the defense and bottom two lines and see where it gets you next season. Plenty of time after next season for the final tinkering assuming they look ready to make a run.
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Posted 2021-05-20 7:53 AM (#779799 - in reply to #779645)
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Fair - I will say right now, no shot Strome starts the season as our # 2 C. We will upgrade the C position to most likely pair with Zib. Doesn't have to be Eichel, or Monahan, but it will be someone IMO. I think that is top of the list for Drury along with toughness/grit added.

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Don’t be so sure about another Center just yet, we will see what happens to Strome. Hopefully Drury isn’t one of those guys that doesn’t leave any cap room for rainy days. You are the loudest on here with the get rid of Strome stuff. Plenty on here don’t have a problem with him back here on his contract. He’s a nice chip if it doesn’t pan out next trade deadline. In the meanwhile your getting a good read on this summers most immediate and necessary acquisitions and promotions. And Strome gets another season to see if he has another gear. And more time for the Rangers to decide next season to find a guy that checks all the boxes.
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Posted 2021-05-20 10:32 AM (#779801 - in reply to #779645)
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We'll see. Based on the playoffs mandate, and the very clear acknowledgement we need a C upgrade, I will say no shot Strome is our # 2 C next season. He may be with the team, but we absolutely 100% will upgrade the C position. Mark it down.

Strome is what he is, a good player. A guy who stinks on FO's. A guy who is not a true # 2 C that is well rounded. No shame in that, just not good enough for what we want to do. And it will be addressed.



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Posted 2021-05-20 12:42 PM (#779802 - in reply to #779801)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-20 9:32 AM

We'll see. Based on the playoffs mandate, and the very clear acknowledgement we need a C upgrade, I will say no shot Strome is our # 2 C next season. He may be with the team, but we absolutely 100% will upgrade the C position. Mark it down.

Strome is what he is, a good player. A guy who stinks on FO's. A guy who is not a true # 2 C that is well rounded. No shame in that, just not good enough for what we want to do. And it will be addressed.







You are talking about dumping one of the, most consistent forwards the Rangers had start to finish last season. Strome and Panarin never did settle in and get to play with what you would call a top end guy. Most of the season they were playing with guys finding their game. Go down the list what forward from start to finish had a better year.? He even stepped up during Panarin’s hiatus which many thought he couldn’t.
Chytil is probably the guy not geared for playoff battles, and the most marketable. And just maybe Drury would rather have Buchnevich and Strome around instead of another $10,000,000 center especially if he decides to pay Zibanejad.
Face offs are important, but can be addressed with other Center's taking important draws which many teams do.
A upgrade is fine anywhere in the lineup as long as it’s a actual upgrade, numbers don’t always tell the whole story.
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Posted 2021-05-20 1:50 PM (#779803 - in reply to #779645)
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I am not talking about dumping anyone. I wrote Strome may be on the team, and he may not be (most likely not if I were to guess). What I am saying is based on everything I have seen and read the Rangers will be looking for a top 6 C upgrade. I fully expect that to happen. We'll see.

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Posted 2021-05-20 3:30 PM (#779804 - in reply to #779802)
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Try learning the concept of a salary cap. Chytil improved on faceoffs this season. He also can be locked up cheap to a 4 or 5 year deal now. Strome will want 6 to 7 million next contract. No thanks. The Rangers would be better to trade him now than lose him for nothing.
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Posted 2021-05-21 6:50 AM (#779810 - in reply to #779804)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2021-05-20 2:30 PM

Try learning the concept of a salary cap. Chytil improved on faceoffs this season. He also can be locked up cheap to a 4 or 5 year deal now. Strome will want 6 to 7 million next contract. No thanks. The Rangers would be better to trade him now than lose him for nothing.



Try to keep up. Strome is signed for next year. His game took a big jump again this season. Let him earn a long term deal or trade him at the deadline. You still have his potential resign money in the bank to attract a replacement center next summer, you still there?
Chytil needs the contract. Of course you would sign him to a 4 or 5 year deal because your a cap guru and he improved on faceoffs from 32% to 42% against who and where. Yup out there taking faceoffs against the other teams best not, neutral zone or the other teams end, only in his own zone when he had to stay on. There is such a thing as all round game, which we saw very few flashes.. Stay close to your phone I'm sure Drury will be calling you any minute for advice. Rangers need bigger, tougher, meaner on the bottom two lines. You don't get that with Chytil, who has not shown he can center a number two scoring line, and that's just a fact. Unless he gets some bark in his game he would get chewed up in the playoffs. . His skill is evident, but as a grinding third line center in the playoffs its not happening. Rangers have to make some room to bring in what they need. If Drury can find bigger better faster stronger than Strome or Chytil I'm all for it. I'd far rather see Drury flip Chytil for another young center with more of the attributes the Rangers need.
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Posted 2021-05-21 8:20 AM (#779811 - in reply to #779645)
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I agree on Chytil. He is not a 3rd line C. And for our team and the amount of skill we have, Chytil is not the best fit on the 3rd line. We need more toughness and grit rather than pure skill.

I believe we will absolutely upgrade with a top 6 C. I also think Buch is the interesting one to me. Needs a new deal, and has arbitration rights off of a good season. Personally he'd be the one I'd deal, keeping Chytil if given the choice between the two based on the cap.

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Posted 2021-05-21 2:33 PM (#779812 - in reply to #779811)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-21 7:20 AM

I agree on Chytil. He is not a 3rd line C. And for our team and the amount of skill we have, Chytil is not the best fit on the 3rd line. We need more toughness and grit rather than pure skill.

I believe we will absolutely upgrade with a top 6 C. I also think Buch is the interesting one to me. Needs a new deal, and has arbitration rights off of a good season. Personally he'd be the one I'd deal, keeping Chytil if given the choice between the two based on the cap.




No doubt Drury has some tough decisions coming up with a lot of potential consequence. Buchnevich’s game is in a good place and Drury better be damn sure Kakko or Kravstov are ready to play top two right wing minutes. Last season proved the Rangers need to be strong out of the gate, trading Buchnevich puts immediate pressure on Kakko and Kravstov to be good early. Again if Buchnevich can be signed to a tradable contract without a lot of trade protection, and gets moved as the season moves along because Kakko and Kravstov are getting it done. That’s a better safer option than trading him this summer and having Kakko and Kravstov struggle. I think there is more than a little doubt at some point in time Strome and Buchnevich probably get moved. It’s just a matter of best and most prudent time.
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It's up to Drury to find those types of players
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-21 7:20 AM

I agree on Chytil. He is not a 3rd line C. And for our team and the amount of skill we have, Chytil is not the best fit on the 3rd line. We need more toughness and grit rather than pure skill.

I believe we will absolutely upgrade with a top 6 C. I also think Buch is the interesting one to me. Needs a new deal, and has arbitration rights off of a good season. Personally he'd be the one I'd deal, keeping Chytil if given the choice between the two based on the cap.




No doubt Drury has some tough decisions coming up with a lot of potential consequence. Buchnevich’s game is in a good place and Drury better be damn sure Kakko or Kravstov are ready to play top two right wing minutes. Last season proved the Rangers need to be strong out of the gate, trading Buchnevich puts immediate pressure on Kakko and Kravstov to be good early. Again if Buchnevich can be signed to a tradable contract without a lot of trade protection, and gets moved as the season moves along because Kakko and Kravstov are getting it done. That’s a better safer option than trading him this summer and having Kakko and Kravstov struggle. I think there is more than a little doubt at some point in time Strome and Buchnevich probably get moved. It’s just a matter of best and most prudent time.

I get what you are writing, but I am not sure you understand the dynamic here. JD and Gorton were fired because Dolan was not happy with their plan. By all accounts he wants the rebuild over and the playoffs are a mandate next season. The Rangers are going to be aggressive this offseason, that's just the way it will be.

Now that doesn't mean deal a whole bunch of kids for old players, but we will add talent and some vets to be a playoff team. That is why I keep writing, 100% they will upgrade at C with a top 6 guy added. It is happening. Strome will not be the 2nd line C to start the season. No shot.

As for Buch, that is a we'll see based solely on cap hit. If we can work out something reasonable he'll be here. If he wants 5.5 or more I think he may be moved in a package for a top C.

Maybe I'll be wrong and Strome C's Panarin on opening night, but I just don't see any real chance that happens.

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Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-21 7:20 AM

I agree on Chytil. He is not a 3rd line C. And for our team and the amount of skill we have, Chytil is not the best fit on the 3rd line. We need more toughness and grit rather than pure skill.

I believe we will absolutely upgrade with a top 6 C. I also think Buch is the interesting one to me. Needs a new deal, and has arbitration rights off of a good season. Personally he'd be the one I'd deal, keeping Chytil if given the choice between the two based on the cap.




No doubt Drury has some tough decisions coming up with a lot of potential consequence. Buchnevich’s game is in a good place and Drury better be damn sure Kakko or Kravstov are ready to play top two right wing minutes. Last season proved the Rangers need to be strong out of the gate, trading Buchnevich puts immediate pressure on Kakko and Kravstov to be good early. Again if Buchnevich can be signed to a tradable contract without a lot of trade protection, and gets moved as the season moves along because Kakko and Kravstov are getting it done. That’s a better safer option than trading him this summer and having Kakko and Kravstov struggle. I think there is more than a little doubt at some point in time Strome and Buchnevich probably get moved. It’s just a matter of best and most prudent time.

I get what you are writing, but I am not sure you understand the dynamic here. JD and Gorton were fired because Dolan was not happy with their plan. By all accounts he wants the rebuild over and the playoffs are a mandate next season. The Rangers are going to be aggressive this offseason, that's just the way it will be.

Now that doesn't mean deal a whole bunch of kids for old players, but we will add talent and some vets to be a playoff team. That is why I keep writing, 100% they will upgrade at C with a top 6 guy added. It is happening. Strome will not be the 2nd line C to start the season. No shot.

As for Buch, that is a we'll see based solely on cap hit. If we can work out something reasonable he'll be here. If he wants 5.5 or more I think he may be moved in a package for a top C.

Maybe I'll be wrong and Strome C's Panarin on opening night, but I just don't see any real chance that happens.




Don’t understand the dynamic here lol. You mean like a genius like you. This board is so lucky to have your wisdom .. Nobody is talking about not making the playoffs next season. If the Rangers trade Chytil and whatever else is reasonable, land a aggressive 3C power type Center that can win draws and push Strome, get a physical dman, and a couple third, fourth line pieces that can play and play with grit they will take a huge jump. Especially with improved coaching. Kakko and Lafrenière in particular need to mature some more. Keeping Buchnevich around buys some time. You are insane if you think Drury is so stupid as to dump Buchnevich, and think Kakko or whoever is going to replace Buchnevich’s game with Zibanejad, especially if Lafrenière is on the left side for the first 40 games next season. Hopefully ya by the second half of the season Lafrenière, Zib and Kakko can fly. .
They will be in the drivers seat with their assets remaining to make deals at the trade deadline including trading Strome, Buchnevich whoever if they choose. . Is that not clear to you. No one said this off season they can’t go after anybody they think is a upgrade by trading, Strome, Buchnevich whoever, as long as they get better. Do a little checking Strome is a border line first line Center in the NHL. Certainly his stats say that. Once you wrap your head around teams don’t trade top end players unless there is a reason you might understand the best fit might not be available to the Rangers just yet. If they play their cards right they will be able to overpay to get the exact piece they need, when the player is available. . Drury’s mandate this year is to get them in the playoffs and put their best foot forward. . . After next year he will have a mandate to go deep in the playoffs. Even Dolan knows this isn’t done overnight. You seem to think trade for Eichel, or a plug like Monahan and they will win the cup which is ridiculous. The Rangers are not winning a cup until Lafrenière, Kappo, and Kravstov are frontline players. Everyone in the business understands that and they also know it takes some time.
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No, it has nothing to do with me being a genius or having wisdom. It has everything to do with the talk all season that the Rangers need an upgrade at C. It has everything to do with the talk that after the firings the gauntlet was dropped by Dolan, the rebuild is over, and the playoffs are now the expectation.

As for Strome, you are simply delusional. Not only isn't he a border line first line C, he isn't even a very good # 2 C on a big time team. He is a good solid player. That's what he is. He has been aided by playing with a total stud the past couple of seasons. I really like Strome, but he is what he is.

But there really is no point in going back and forth on this. One of us will be proven right, and one of us will be proven wrong over the next few months. I fully expect the Rangers to be aggressive this summer, and I say no shot Strome is the 2nd line C to start the season. You see it differently. That's all good, time will tell who will be right. That's it.

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No, it has nothing to do with me being a genius or having wisdom. It has everything to do with the talk all season that the Rangers need an upgrade at C. It has everything to do with the talk that after the firings the gauntlet was dropped by Dolan, the rebuild is over, and the playoffs are now the expectation.

As for Strome, you are simply delusional. Not only isn't he a border line first line C, he isn't even a very good # 2 C on a big time team. He is a good solid player. That's what he is. He has been aided by playing with a total stud the past couple of seasons. I really like Strome, but he is what he is.

But there really is no point in going back and forth on this. One of us will be proven right, and one of us will be proven wrong over the next few months. I fully expect the Rangers to be aggressive this summer, and I say no shot Strome is the 2nd line C to start the season. You see it differently. That's all good, time will tell who will be right. That's it.




You obviously have a dislike for Strome who is easily one of the top 25 centers in the league, which makes him a number one center for a NHL team. That's reality, whether you like it or not. and if you want to brush up on your reading skills you will see I've said repeatedly they can trade Strome as long as they are improving, but again repeatedly they don't have to. So spare me the crap of who is right or wrong if he gets traded.
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Whether he is a top 25 C or not does not mean he is a true # 1 C. There are not a large number of true # 1 C's in the NHL. If you think every team has a true # 1 level C, then we are on a different page here. Strome is an okay # 2 C, I don't disagree with that. But this team absolutely needs to improve down the middle to take the next step, and thankfully they know it.

And I have no dislike for Strome, I just know what he is. A good solid player who has value for sure, but his game is inflated by playing with a top 5 or so player in the NHL, Panarin.

I am done with this nonsense. Strome will not be the # 2 C come the start of the season. That is the bottom line. The Rangers know they need to upgrade at C to take the next step, and they will do so. Short of that I have no clue what your point is. Do they have to trade him or the franchise folds, no, but if they want to get better as a team they need an upgrade from him as the 2nd line C. That will happen this summer, and when it does then we'll talk.

Your line of they can trade Strome as long as they are improving, but again repeatedly they don't have to. Who is saying trade him to get worse? And if you define have to in order to close the gap with the better teams in the NHL, yes they have to improve at C in the top 6 to take that step. I don't care if they trade Strome, or play him in a different role, they need to upgrade from the C duo of Zib and Strome. That duo is not good enough to move the Rangers into the top level of NHL teams.



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When smarter people than you sit down to discuss his next contract, whether you like it or not, his league wide rating will be in the conversation. And it will be somewhere around the number 25. Which makes him a number 1 center and that's a fact. If a lower team needs one and he's the best available they are going to take him. That's been the discussion. How quickly your entire discussion changes to now include your never mentioned TRUE number 1 center status. Nice try.
And they don't trade Strome unless they are going to get better. Apparently you can't grasp that. Your trading him to get worse comment is rather stupid.
You have zero concept of team building and chemistry. Your just another idiot who's only solution to getting better is throwing money at a teams issue's and problems.
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Nothing else to say. When Strome is not centering the 2nd line when the season starts that will be that. And rest assured he will not be as the Rangers leadership knows they need to upgrade at C. And if he is centering the 2nd line when the season starts I'll say I was wrong. That's the point, and that's how this ends.

My point from the start is Strome is not viewed as a good enough option to pair with Zib as our top 2 C's, and the Rangers know it and will upgrade there. The rest of it is all pointless words. Where you think he ranks, where I think he ranks, etc. He will not be the 2nd line C for this team when the season starts.

We'll see what happens.


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The Rangers don't even know if Zibanejad is good enough, physical enough, and determined enough to be a player during playoff hockey. Let alone help get the Rangers to the playoffs. Feasting on the lessor lights this season and mediocre production against the top physical grinding teams in the division, was not a good indicator. There are a lot of question marks about him. Drury has a lot of important decisions to make. First one is a new coach, then you work together to adjust the lineup.
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The recent rumors are that the Rangers may take a flyer on Kadri. Is it the right move not sure, but he can score, hit, fight, and win faceoffs. He has one year left on his contract at 4.5 (kind of expensive). The biggest problem I have with him is the suspension history and he always misses the playoffs due to said suspension.
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The biggest problem I have is he is a idiot. His biggest ability is to piss off, and enflame the opposition teams motivation to play. Just what you don't need a guy revving up the other teams competitive juices. At least he's not the throw money at the "best player" a chosen few here think is the solution, he's no answer just another headache.
Drury needs to look down the road, at the Islanders who have the best coach who has the team playing at a level, I'm not sure any other coach could get them too. And then realize its not always the best player but more importantly the right player, and just as important the right person who gets the job done. Combine that with Trotz's ability to have the Ilses in full playoff mode and you got something. Would be fascinating to see what he could do with Kreider.
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Rangers, Kings and Bruins out on Eichel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QsfPK8RmGc&ab_channel=legorocks99
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Rangers back poking around Jack Eichel again:

https://nypost.com/2021/06/28/rangers-interested-in-jack-eichels-con...
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Lotta new rumblings ... hope they are just that
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Just say no. To risky at the cost to acquire. I like the idea of acquiring a top center but would prefer a lot more bark on his ass and the ability to go head to head with any other teams top center and top line. Reading Cizikas as four center, Reaves, lol. Goodreau and Coleman, which would all be mistakes based on to much money, then they come in do what they have always done and the masses turn on them because the majority of fans expect more based on the over payment or they turn it off and collect the cheque. Anyone who has observed the Rangers for forty years remembers all to well how miniscule is the success rate of such signings. So Drury we ask you and your staff turn over rocks and find young and ready to enter the league, or second third year types that fit the need. Your business is knowing who they are and acquiring what you need. Please no over priced bidding war third and fourth liners.
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Zibanejad entertains but he's proven to be a pussy when the games are physical and matter. Eichel all depends on his physical status. Zibanejad has proven to be a difficult center to find chemistry with. We have several young wings. I'd rather move Zibanejad now. Eichel would probably be a fabulous fit with Kakko or Eichel. I believe he would grow up a lot with Gallant. Me, I would gladly move Zibanejad and Kravtsov i a deal for Tkachuk, Lucic half retained and the Flames first. That would enable the Rangers to trade up in the top ten in this draft if they wished. This team needs less Euro pussies.
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Are the Rangers the leading contender to acquire Jack Eichel? Sources say the Rangers have quietly checked with each of the teams holding a pick inside the Top 10 of Friday’s Draft, inquiring about the price to acquire it. (New York’s first-round pick is No. 16 overall.) The belief is the Rangers would like to package that pick in a transaction for Eichel, as the Sabres are reportedly seeking another lottery-range pick to go with their No. 1 overall selection.

Teams in conversation with the Sabres have said the asking price for Eichel is “astronomical.” Buffalo is looking for a futures-type deal with multiple prospects and picks involved. A team like the Minnesota Wild, for instance, that would be interested in Eichel doesn’t necessarily have the ability to pull off that type of transaction because they would be relying on their prospects and picks in a couple years to help them through their ‘dead cap era’ looming from the buyouts to Ryan Suter and Zach Parise.
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Which tells me his neck is fukkkkkked and the Sabres know it.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As speculation re Eichel mounts, can tell you that Rangers have still not received access to his medical records from Sabres. So, there is nothing close at this point.</p>— Larry Brooks (@NYP_Brooksie) <a href="https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1418198742080139269?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote>


Wow.
This guy has been on the block for months and the Rangers have not seen his medical records?
Do the Rangers have to give up a pick just to see the records?
Buff so clueless.
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Fish - 2021-07-22 11:25 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As speculation re Eichel mounts, can tell you that Rangers have still not received access to his medical records from Sabres. So, there is nothing close at this point.</p>— Larry Brooks (@NYP_Brooksie) <a href="https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1418198742080139269?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2021</a></blockquote>


Wow.
This guy has been on the block for months and the Rangers have not seen his medical records?
Do the Rangers have to give up a pick just to see the records?
Buff so clueless.




Drury is at a defining moment in his early tenure. If he trades for Eichel it better be at a deep discount no matter what his records are, and what the looking in the crystal ball Dr’s have to say. He’s a risk. At the very least this better be some of the assets up front and the payoff if he produces, performs and survives a couple seasons. And Buffalo needs to eat a chunk 1/3 of his salary. Something like Strome, Jones, Reanunen, and then a first after a couple seasons of usefulness. He’s bargain basement stuff. Drury needs to play hardball Buffalo is running out of partners and there is a serious chasm between Eichel and Buffalo.
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If Ristolainen can get a 1st, 2nd and Hagg...can't imagine what they're expecting for Eichel
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lots of things percolating around the NHL. Way too early to call what direction the Sabres are going with Eichel. However, teams with interest are encouraged by the fact Jack is training hard and skating. Good sign of where he feels his health is at.</p>— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1418599325005983746?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 23, 2021</a></blockquote>



So who’s right medical we have heard he wants to have a disc replacement done. In Dregors world he is training hard and skating. So he doesn’t need treatment or what. Posters say Buchnevich and Strome both have to go because of cap, Eichel will turn the Rangerscap upside down.
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yes, I think the cap turns into a boot with Eichel
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From a Sabres beat writer

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My guesses right now are some combination of Anaheim, Calgary, Minnesota and others I’m probably missing. Teammate Eric Engels reported Sunday he doesn’t think it will be Montreal. From what I’ve heard, the Canadiens have engaged, but not anywhere near a point Buffalo would say yes. The Rangers and Sabres have not been close in their conversations.


Friedman goes on to say he thinks Eichel still may require surgery


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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/big-week-potential-jack-eichel-...

My guesses right now are some combination of Anaheim, Calgary, Minnesota and others I’m probably missing. Teammate Eric Engels reported Sunday he doesn’t think it will be Montreal. From what I’ve heard, the Canadiens have engaged, but not anywhere near a point Buffalo would say yes. The Rangers and Sabres have not been close in their conversations.


Friedman goes on to say he thinks Eichel still may require surgery


I thought it was a given that whatever decision he made, he was going to miss the beginning of the new season anyway (I believe the time frame was at least 2 months). Guess I was wrong.
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If Ristolainen can get a 1st, 2nd and Hagg...can't imagine what they're expecting for Eichel



Other GM's don't judge value based off of what the retard Flyers do. Ristolainen is a terrible defensive defenseman. Always has been.
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The Rangers are crazy to trade for Eichel. On his best day has he ever been as good as Zibanejad was two years ago before the league shutdown. They acquire Eichel and Zibanejad is gone, no way they can keep him. The Rangers can start negotiating in January if Zibanejads play warrants it.. Last year as reported a few veterans had issues with Quinn, I think Drury knows that and expects a revitalized Zibanejad. The market value contract based on a excellent start is going to be waiting for Zibanejad, we will see how bad he wants it.
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The Rangers are crazy to trade for Eichel. On his best day has he ever been as good as Zibanejad was two years ago before the league shutdown. They acquire Eichel and Zibanejad is gone, no way they can keep him. The Rangers can start negotiating in January if Zibanejads play warrants it.. Last year as reported a few veterans had issues with Quinn, I think Drury knows that and expects a revitalized Zibanejad. The market value contract based on a excellent start is going to be waiting for Zibanejad, we will see how bad he wants it.


2 years ago he had 3 more points than Zib did that year playing on probably the worst team in Hockey.

I'm not saying I'm for Eichel and his 10 mill per year, but that contract is over when he's 30. How many years are they going to give Zib, and how much money? If he is better than Eichel, then we can assume he would get close to the 10 per and maybe 6-7 years? Which means at the end of his contract he would be 36 or 37.

If Eichel didn't have the injury issue, he would be the smart choice. Their talent is comparable, but Eichel is the younger of the two and you're only paying him until he's just past Zib's age right now.
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We will see. I do think Drury would like to make some kind of splash. I just hope its smarter than what he did with Buch.
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The Rangers are crazy to trade for Eichel. On his best day has he ever been as good as Zibanejad was two years ago before the league shutdown. They acquire Eichel and Zibanejad is gone, no way they can keep him. The Rangers can start negotiating in January if Zibanejads play warrants it.. Last year as reported a few veterans had issues with Quinn, I think Drury knows that and expects a revitalized Zibanejad. The market value contract based on a excellent start is going to be waiting for Zibanejad, we will see how bad he wants it.


2 years ago he had 3 more points than Zib did that year playing on probably the worst team in Hockey.

I'm not saying I'm for Eichel and his 10 mill per year, but that contract is over when he's 30. How many years are they going to give Zib, and how much money? If he is better than Eichel, then we can assume he would get close to the 10 per and maybe 6-7 years? Which means at the end of his contract he would be 36 or 37.

If Eichel didn't have the injury issue, he would be the smart choice. Their talent is comparable, but Eichel is the younger of the two and you're only paying him until he's just past Zib's age right now.




Many’s the guy who lights it up for a crap team. When your always on the low end of scores teams with the lead let up. The Rangers were battling for a playoff spot, I think would have made it, they were rolling along. Talk was Zibanejad in the league MVP conversation. But my point is more Eichel is not worth the risk health wise. Toss in his injury, salary, term, and question marks about how good a player is he as a competitor!? No thanks.
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There's a chance the Eichel stuff gets resolved today, but I'm thinking it drags on a bit more
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jack Eichel’s agents issue the following statement: <a href="https://t.co/tiPXShdchz">pic.twitter.com/tiPXShdchz</a></p>— John Vogl (@BuffaloVogl) <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloVogl/status/1421285217415880711?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 31, 2021</a></blockquote>


Toby, it seems to me there's A LOT going on that the public doesn't know because there are way too many questions that remain unanswered. It seems that both sides agree that he needs some kind of surgery....Sad-brays would prefer traditional spinal fusion (which has been the standard); JE wants the replacement. The only sports people who have had the replacement are UTF and rugby players -- the odd factor in this is the fact that not one of JE's people have brought forth info on how those UTF and rugby players fared after their surgery.

The other oddity is the fact that JE wants the surgery because the prescribed "rest and rehab" have not alleviated the problem...yet, according to reports, he's been skating regularly.

Something is very fishy in Buffalo.
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I don't see the need for Eichel. Rangers biggest problems were they are still too young, their defense core is still incomplete as some huge pieces aren't ready yet, the third and 4th lines were terrible and the team was full of soft pansies. Two of those problems have been fixed. The defense is still very young and will get younger the next couple years.
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Rangers need a tough center that can win a faceoff when needed. Haven't had one since.... forever...Mess, Lindros, bernie Nichols,Holik and Mark Janssens were all good face off guys.

Go get a guy that can win 55% or above....They are hard to find...
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So Brooks today suggests that including Kakko might get the deal done, but only IF the Sabres retain half of Eichel's $10M salary...

https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/kaapo-kakko-may-be-rangers-key-to-jack...
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Eichel can go take a hikel...
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Fish - 2021-07-31 9:07 PM

So Brooks today suggests that including Kakko might get the deal done, but only IF the Sabres retain half of Eichel's $10M salary...

https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/kaapo-kakko-may-be-rangers-key-to-jack...


Eichel at $5 million per, for Kakko, Chytil, and Jones... Do it!
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I would like to see what Galant can do with Kakko. I wouldn't want to lose him just yet.

Make it Strome, Jones, and Chytil.
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Fish - 2021-07-31 9:07 PM

So Brooks today suggests that including Kakko might get the deal done, but only IF the Sabres retain half of Eichel's $10M salary...

https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/kaapo-kakko-may-be-rangers-key-to-jack...


Eichel at $5 million per, for Kakko, Chytil, and Jones... Do it!

Agree 100%. I would think if we threw Kakko into the mix maybe we could keep Chytil though. Maybe Georgiev and a 1st go in for him.

A deal that gives us Eichel for $7M or less, that we can pair with Zib as an amazing 1-2 punch is huge. Add in Pan, Laf, Kreider, Kravtsov, and the toughness added on the 3rd and 4th lines, and we are cooking (and we'll see what happens with Chytil and Strome in this scenario).

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Brooks fills a slow news day with a gem. Mission accomplished people rushing to read his article. One would almost think he planned it. Until such time as the Rangers have a 100% guarantee Eichel will be 100% after whatever surgical procedure he undergoes, he’s not worth a plugged nickle. You are looking at a Kakko, or Kravstov, and Chytil and Robertson, and probably Georgiev for Buffalo to be eating any salary cap. Minimum $3,000,000. $5,000,000 preferable for the Rangers. The only young guy I don’t mind losing is Chytil. I’d hate to see Kakko and Kravstov in a deal, to much potential untapped by Quinn. Gallant has a power scoring forward’s brain from playing himself, he will have a huge impact on the Rangers young forwards. He will get them playing the right way.
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Fish - 2021-07-31 9:07 PM

So Brooks today suggests that including Kakko might get the deal done, but only IF the Sabres retain half of Eichel's $10M salary...

https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/kaapo-kakko-may-be-rangers-key-to-jack...


Eichel at $5 million per, for Kakko, Chytil, and Jones... Do it!



Please. Eichel's neck is a non starter. The two idiot sides over there can't decide what to do with it. I not giving up Kakko straight up for Eichel with that neck. Kakko and Chytil both took big steps up last year. If their retard coach actually used them correctly and they played a normal schedule out of their division this year which was full of teams that wanted to win every game 2-1, their numbers would have been better. I would not give up any high ceiling, young talent for a player with a screwed up neck. It's not worth the risk. If I decided to move a Kakko or Chytil, I'm getting Larkin back.
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Retard is a bit harsh. I prefer incompetent.
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https://www.diebytheblade.com/2021/4/18/22388791/buffalo-sabres-jack...
Ill pass. No way is it worth the risk
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God help us. Hey, if it's Stome, Kravtsov, Hajek, Jones and a 1st. So be it. Not doing much more than that.
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I believe the reason why you can't rule it out, is that Buffalo isn't necessarily the final resting spot for Zibanejad, and that it would be Buffalo receiving Zibanejad, and then moving him to say Vegas.
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Eichel trade is a no deal until some Dr’s say he can be successfully operated on whatever the operation, that’s the base of the division between Eichel wanting disc replacement surgery and Buffalo wanting basically a disc repair job. Dr’s can’t even agree. I don’t know what idiot would trade Zibanejad in any deal for Eichel unless it’s written in stone he’s good to go, which means, he’s deemed 100% AFTER whatever operation.
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I still think Eichel is here. Do the math, we have left open cap space for some reason, we still don't have a FO winning C added, and we have made no big moves. I think Drury is waiting out the Eichel thing.

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We're entering the period of time where Jack Eichel will start missing either training camp or regular season games if he has Artificial Disk Replacement (ADR). The recovery time for ADR is 6-8 weeks so if you project that out from today, then we're sitting at September 10th-24th for a return. Camp is scheduled to open up around the 22nd or so of September, with the regular season starting October 13th (for the Rangers, a day earlier for the league as a whole).
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Maybe you trade for him and put him on LTIR until the playoffs...
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https://youtu.be/4MpyHBoiTwk

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Announced today that he's changed his agent to Pat Brisson - who has clients like Tavares, Barzal, Giroux, Crosby, Kopitar and Toews.
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Fish - 2021-08-13 10:52 AM

We're entering the period of time where Jack Eichel will start missing either training camp or regular season games if he has Artificial Disk Replacement (ADR). The recovery time for ADR is 6-8 weeks so if you project that out from today, then we're sitting at September 10th-24th for a return. Camp is scheduled to open up around the 22nd or so of September, with the regular season starting October 13th (for the Rangers, a day earlier for the league as a whole).




Tick tock indeed. A bigger concern is operations are not always successful and have multiple layers of success, meaning the 60 year olds definition of success is much different than Eichel’s bar for success. I think Drury and any other NHL G.M. is a idiot if they trade for Eichel before the operation. Don’t need a fixer upper hockey player. Blow good assets on Eichel and he has after operation issues then what? Better to go with what they have. I think the additions Drury has made, even though not exactly bargains, are going to improve this team a fair bit especially if Gallant can get them all revved up.
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Fish - 2021-08-13 10:52 AM

We're entering the period of time where Jack Eichel will start missing either training camp or regular season games if he has Artificial Disk Replacement (ADR). The recovery time for ADR is 6-8 weeks so if you project that out from today, then we're sitting at September 10th-24th for a return. Camp is scheduled to open up around the 22nd or so of September, with the regular season starting October 13th (for the Rangers, a day earlier for the league as a whole).




Tick tock indeed. A bigger concern is operations are not always successful and have multiple layers of success, meaning the 60 year olds definition of success is much different than Eichel’s bar for success. I think Drury and any other NHL G.M. is a idiot if they trade for Eichel before the operation. Don’t need a fixer upper hockey player. Blow good assets on Eichel and he has after operation issues then what? Better to go with what they have. I think the additions Drury has made, even though not exactly bargains, are going to improve this team a fair bit especially if Gallant can get them all revved up.


While there's risk in every surgery....even getting your wisdom teeth out, from what I've read, this is on the relatively lower end of the risk scale. I think the price for him would be much higher if he did have successful surgery than if he didn't, and so I'd be willing to take a gamble on it, because I think the chances are on the lower side.

With that said, I do have some concerns about his character. It's hard to know for sure, but I do wonder if there might be some maturity issues there, and I wonder how he'll do in pressure situations. He's clearly got talent, but if you contrast how this has gone down versus how Sam Reinhart was handled, it's very different. Eichel's end of season press conference, some reports that he's "not a leader" despite being made captain...I do wonder.

Obviously not everyone's a leader, Zibanejad doesn't seem to be a leader exactly, and there's some question how he does against certain types of opposition, but he has always seemed to be a team player. It's hard to say for sure whether Eichel's as much of a team player...whether it's just the situation in Buffalo, but there's definitely a contrast between him and Reinhart in that respect.
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LaFrenger - 2021-08-27 4:50 PM

Fish - 2021-08-13 10:52 AM

We're entering the period of time where Jack Eichel will start missing either training camp or regular season games if he has Artificial Disk Replacement (ADR). The recovery time for ADR is 6-8 weeks so if you project that out from today, then we're sitting at September 10th-24th for a return. Camp is scheduled to open up around the 22nd or so of September, with the regular season starting October 13th (for the Rangers, a day earlier for the league as a whole).




Tick tock indeed. A bigger concern is operations are not always successful and have multiple layers of success, meaning the 60 year olds definition of success is much different than Eichel’s bar for success. I think Drury and any other NHL G.M. is a idiot if they trade for Eichel before the operation. Don’t need a fixer upper hockey player. Blow good assets on Eichel and he has after operation issues then what? Better to go with what they have. I think the additions Drury has made, even though not exactly bargains, are going to improve this team a fair bit especially if Gallant can get them all revved up.


While there's risk in every surgery....even getting your wisdom teeth out, from what I've read, this is on the relatively lower end of the risk scale. I think the price for him would be much higher if he did have successful surgery than if he didn't, and so I'd be willing to take a gamble on it, because I think the chances are on the lower side.

With that said, I do have some concerns about his character. It's hard to know for sure, but I do wonder if there might be some maturity issues there, and I wonder how he'll do in pressure situations. He's clearly got talent, but if you contrast how this has gone down versus how Sam Reinhart was handled, it's very different. Eichel's end of season press conference, some reports that he's "not a leader" despite being made captain...I do wonder.

Obviously not everyone's a leader, Zibanejad doesn't seem to be a leader exactly, and there's some question how he does against certain types of opposition, but he has always seemed to be a team player. It's hard to say for sure whether Eichel's as much of a team player...whether it's just the situation in Buffalo, but there's definitely a contrast between him and Reinhart in that respect.




Not sure which operation your talking about his team doesn’t like the replacement surgery so there’s that.
The Rangers have the assets for one shot at a elite center if that’s what they think they need. Eichel at a bargain price is not a bargain if he has operation issues . I’ve had both knee’s replaced by the same Dr. One is great one not so great. Dr’s have bad days to. I’d far rather the Rangers paid market price for a healthy elite guy, than bargain shop. And I also have a few issues with his ability to lead and be a go to guy in the crunch. Drury needs to be patient and get the right guy.
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Recovery might be 6-8 weeks a desk jockey, but getting hit into the boards is a whole different level of shyt. Most of the ADR literature says it takes 3 months to get back to normal. What if they find other issues with his back? Either way, it is Aug 28 and Eichel is still waiting to deal with the injury. Realistically, he is at Dec 1 if he gets surgery tomorrow and everything goes according to plan. He could start training at 6-8 weeks, but when do you let him hit or be hit? You would have to be a fool to give up the talent Buffalo wants in this situation when we are so close to the season.
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Buffalo is an incompetely run organization. If they had any brains they would have traed Eichel right after the season was over. Now, if their two young centers take a huge step up this season, they will lose a ton of leverage as teams know they will not want him on the team and will try to dump his contract.
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Eichel was officially stripped of his captaincy today after failing his physical. Despite some reports a few weeks ago now, there appears to still be no agreement on treatment, and so Eichel's potentially return date remains unknown...would seem December at risk unless something changes soon.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32262693/buffalo-sabres-center-j...
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Fish - 2021-09-23 3:07 PM

Eichel was officially stripped of his captaincy today after failing his physical. Despite some reports a few weeks ago now, there appears to still be no agreement on treatment, and so Eichel's potentially return date remains unknown...would seem December at risk unless something changes soon.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32262693/buffalo-sabres-center-j...


and still no agreement on the surgery. If he has surgery tomorrow (unlikely), then he might be ready by Xmas. I would guess his season is going to be spent on IR.
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Buffalo has done a pretty impressive job of cratering Eichel’s value.
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The Sabres are a joke. It's his health. He should make the decision.
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