The Chris Drury Thread
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Posted 2021-07-23 1:38 PM (#780330)
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Trades
2021 - 2021 3rd round pick #75 (Ryder Korczak) from WAS in exchange for 2021 3rd round pick #80 and 2021 6th round pick #176
2021 - Barclay Goodrow from TBL in exchange for 2022 7th Round Pick
2021 - 2022 4th Round Pick and Nick DeSimone in exchange for Brett Howden
2021 - Sammy Blais and 2022 2nd Round Pick in exchange for Pavel Buchnevich
2021 - Ryan Reaves in exchange for a 2022 3rd Round Pick

Contracts
2021 - Ryan Lindgren - 3 years $3M AAV
2021 - Nils Lundkvist - 3 years ELC $925K AAV
2021 - Brett Howden - 1 year $750K AAV - since traded
2021 - Julien Gauthier - 1 year $750K AAV
2021 - Barclay Goodrow - 6 years $3.642M AAV
2021 - Ryan Reaves - 1 year $1.75M AAV - extension after trade
2021 - Tim Gettinger - 1 year $750K AAV
2021 - Adam Huska - 1 year $750K AAV
2021 - Ty Ronning - 1 year $750K AAV
2021 - Igor Shesterkin - 4 years $5.667M AAV
2021 - Brennan Othmann - 3 years ELC $925 AAV
2021 - Mika Zibanjead - 8 years $8.5M AAV

Free Agent Signings
2021 Patrik Nemeth - 3 years $2.5M AAV and 8 team NTC
2021 Jarred Tinordi - 2 years $900K AAV
2021 Greg McKegg - 1 year $750K AAV
2021 Dryden Hunt - 2 years $777K AAV

Waiver claims
None

Free Agent Departures
2021 Brandon Crawley
2021 Philip DiGiuseppe
2021 Nick DeSimone
2021 Gabriel Fontaine
2021 Jack Johnson
2021 Partrick Newell
2021 Darren Raddysh
2021 Yegor Rykov
2021 Brendan Smith

Expansion Draft
2021 Colin Blackwell to Seattle Kraken

Lost on Waivers
2021 Mason Geertsen - NJD

Entry Draft
2021 - 1st - L - Brennan Othmann
2021 - 3rd - C - Jayden Kruppe
2021 - 3rd - C - Ryder Kroczak
2021 - 4th - R - Brody Lamb
2021 - 4th - L - Kalle Vaisanen
2021 - 4th - G - Talyn Boyko
2021 - 5th - R - Jaroslav Chmelar
2021 - 7th - D - Hank Kempf

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Posted 2021-07-23 1:42 PM (#780331 - in reply to #780330)
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Drury was underwhelming as a player on the Rangers and he is starting his tenure as an underwhelming Pres/GM. I hope it gets better.
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Posted 2021-07-23 1:52 PM (#780334 - in reply to #780331)
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x10003q - 2021-07-23 1:42 PM

Drury was underwhelming as a player on the Rangers and he is starting his tenure as an underwhelming Pres/GM. I hope it gets better.


He was basically what he was his entire career until the injuries. He was pretty good but nothing special for us, and not worth his contract. Of course I just described almost every free agent signing the Rangers have made. Does the Trumbull Little League need a President and GM?
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Posted 2021-07-23 2:03 PM (#780335 - in reply to #780330)
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You guys are so funny.

1. He has made solid moves. Maybe overpaid for Goodrow contract wise, but a player that fills a big need.
2. We are in the 2nd inning and you guys are judging him already. That is comical.

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Posted 2021-07-23 2:09 PM (#780342 - in reply to #780335)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-07-23 2:03 PM

You guys are so funny.

1. He has made solid moves. Maybe overpaid for Goodrow contract wise, but a player that fills a big need.
2. We are in the 2nd inning and you guys are judging him already. That is comical.



Because we're losing 11-0 in the second inning. Once again, nothing wrong with Goodrow, paying him like that is the problem. Trading Buch for a 4th liner and a 2nd round pick. Whatever. Is he going to trade for Eichel next? At this rate he's going to give Fox, Kakko, Chytil, Lafreniere, and Miller for him.
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Posted 2021-07-23 2:13 PM (#780343 - in reply to #780330)
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11-0.... Let's see where we end the weekend.

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Posted 2021-07-23 2:33 PM (#780350 - in reply to #780330)
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For me the Goodrow contract was concerning. Players on average hit their peak around age 28, physical role players tend to drop off quicker, and there's been a bunch of articles around this over the past couple of weeks. Above that, UFA signings (and this while technically isn't one, it's pretty close to equivalent) have a less than 1 in 4 chance of panning out in the first two years, let alone the term of the contract where it can drop down into the 1 in 10 range. Chris Drury is reportedly somewhat interested in data, but it certainly feels like overpaying for what most feel was the the third best player on Tampa's third line.

With respect to the Buchnevich trade, the Rangers have the Cap room that would have enabled them to accommodate Buchnevich this season at a significant raise. That said, I still expected him to be traded given the rumors and Drury's own non-committal stance during the 22nd conference. I just expected more of a return for him. Blais from what I can gather is a guy who sounds a bit like Howden, in the sense that he was supposed to be able to bring more offense, doesn't play defensively well enough or with much of an edge, and as such is kind of a tweener. In terms of ice time he's been a low 3rd liner, moderate 4th line kind of guy. So to me, it feels as if Drury was nervous, and made the move a little too quickly.

As you say, time will tell. I don't think we're down 0-11, but I am concerned by these moves as they feel like Kevyn Adams trading Taylor Hall to Boston with Curtis Lazar for Anders Bjork and a 2nd....and Hall had a whole lot more leverage.
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Posted 2021-07-23 2:42 PM (#780352 - in reply to #780350)
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Fish - 2021-07-23 2:33 PM

For me the Goodrow contract was concerning. Players on average hit their peak around age 28, physical role players tend to drop off quicker, and there's been a bunch of articles around this over the past couple of weeks. Above that, UFA signings (and this while technically isn't one, it's pretty close to equivalent) have a less than 1 in 4 chance of panning out in the first two years, let alone the term of the contract where it can drop down into the 1 in 10 range. Chris Drury is reportedly somewhat interested in data, but it certainly feels like overpaying for what most feel was the the third best player on Tampa's third line.

With respect to the Buchnevich trade, the Rangers have the Cap room that would have enabled them to accommodate Buchnevich this season at a significant raise. That said, I still expected him to be traded given the rumors and Drury's own non-committal stance during the 22nd conference. I just expected more of a return for him. Blais from what I can gather is a guy who sounds a bit like Howden, in the sense that he was supposed to be able to bring more offense, doesn't play defensively well enough or with much of an edge, and as such is kind of a tweener. In terms of ice time he's been a low 3rd liner, moderate 4th line kind of guy. So to me, it feels as if Drury was nervous, and made the move a little too quickly.

As you say, time will tell. I don't think we're down 0-11, but I am concerned by these moves as they feel like Kevyn Adams trading Taylor Hall to Boston with Curtis Lazar for Anders Bjork and a 2nd....and Hall had a whole lot more leverage.


Or the Oilers trading Hall for Adam Larsson.
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Posted 2021-07-23 2:59 PM (#780358 - in reply to #780330)
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Blais supposedly is a competitor, I will be watching for that. But so was Lemieux. Want to compare him to another there you go. We just got a guy who couldn’t crack the St. Louis top two lines after more than a few opportunities for a top line right winger. We should have kept Lemieux.
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Posted 2021-07-23 3:01 PM (#780359 - in reply to #780358)
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LaFrenger - 2021-07-23 5:59 PM

Blais supposedly is a competitor, I will be watching for that. But so was Lemieux. Want to compare him to another there you go. We just got a guy who couldn’t crack the St. Louis top two lines after more than a few opportunities for a top line right winger. We should have kept Lemieux.


The good news is Blais seems to get injured more so the Rangers won't miss him when they don't resign him next season. So Buch for a 2nd. Brilliant!!
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Posted 2021-07-23 3:04 PM (#780360 - in reply to #780330)
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Imagine if the Rangers could pry Buch away from the Blues for Gauthier and a 2nd. Would you do it?
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Posted 2021-07-23 3:25 PM (#780362 - in reply to #780330)
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The bottom line is the standard hockey trade analysis is whoever got the best player is the winner.There is zero doubt who is the winner.
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Posted 2021-07-23 4:47 PM (#780368 - in reply to #780330)
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Funny thread...LOL.

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Posted 2021-07-23 4:51 PM (#780370 - in reply to #780368)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-07-23 4:47 PM

Funny thread...LOL.



Might as well make a joke out of it. Drury is the AI controlled GM in NHL 22 on easy mode.

Though I have to admit, after what the Flyers and Blackhawks have done, it could be worse.
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Posted 2021-07-23 4:53 PM (#780371 - in reply to #780330)
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And when the Rangers add a big C, and are a finished product complete team with grit added, I cannot wait to see what you all write then. Still whining I know that, but how much. Looking forward to it.


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Posted 2021-07-23 5:01 PM (#780374 - in reply to #780370)
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Vua - 2021-07-23 3:51 PM

Kakko # 24 - 2021-07-23 4:47 PM

Funny thread...LOL.



Might as well make a joke out of it. Drury is the AI controlled GM in NHL 22 on easy mode.

Though I have to admit, after what the Flyers and Blackhawks have done, it could be worse.


Have no idea what Edmonton is doing getting Duncan Keith and signing Hyman to an 8 year deal
Carolina trading their young goalie to Detroit and trying to sign a pair of UFAs before the 28th
Chicago giving up all that and then signing Jones to 8x$9.5M

There's been some dumb so far...
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Posted 2021-07-23 5:02 PM (#780375 - in reply to #780371)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-07-23 3:53 PM

And when the Rangers add a big C, and are a finished product complete team with grit added, I cannot wait to see what you all write then. Still whining I know that, but how much. Looking forward to it.


I'm hoping it's not an overpayment for Eichel or for that matter getting Kuznetzov...but I guess we'll see. Might be nothing at all at this point.
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Posted 2021-07-23 5:06 PM (#780377 - in reply to #780375)
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Fish - 2021-07-23 8:02 PM

Kakko # 24 - 2021-07-23 3:53 PM

And when the Rangers add a big C, and are a finished product complete team with grit added, I cannot wait to see what you all write then. Still whining I know that, but how much. Looking forward to it.


I'm hoping it's not an overpayment for Eichel or for that matter getting Kuznetzov...but I guess we'll see. Might be nothing at all at this point.

Agree 100%. If they don't have a follow up move, or way overpay for the stud C, I will not be happy. But I expect a top C added, and know we have to wait for it to play out before we judge.

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Posted 2021-07-23 5:11 PM (#780378 - in reply to #780371)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-07-23 4:53 PM

And when the Rangers add a big C, and are a finished product complete team with grit added, I cannot wait to see what you all write then. Still whining I know that, but how much. Looking forward to it.




Nothing that happens after this has any effect on on the Buch trade. They are separate transactions. Why can't you grasp that Drury didn't need to get fleeced in order to fix the team? Your reasoning makes no sense, but keep telling yourself whatever you feel like.
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Posted 2021-07-23 5:20 PM (#780380 - in reply to #780330)
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And I totally disagree with that. Moves happen quickly, and if we moved Buch to add the big C we need, I am 100% fine. On top of that, did anyone ever think maybe this was Buch's value as an unsigned RFA, that Drury has been shopping for a few weeks? I know that is difficult to grasp, but maybe this was his value and Drury had to move him to add what he needs to add. Crazy right...


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Posted 2021-07-24 7:54 AM (#780408 - in reply to #780330)
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Funny story especially this about Blais

"""In exchange for the team’s fourth leading scorer, he acquired a fourth line winger with some question marks. Sammy Blais has some upside and is a year younger than the 26 year-old Buchnevich. He’s all been in Blues’ head coach Craig Berube’s dog house and has had some conditioning issues.""

https://www.foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-gm-chris-drurys-first-big-...
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Posted 2021-07-24 8:07 AM (#780409 - in reply to #780330)
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So happy losing player Buchnevich is outta here. Next that needs to go is Kravtsov. Another pansy. I'll never forget the countless amounts of times when Biuchnevich wasn't playing well and he would sit on the bench almost crying with this pathetic sulking expression all over his face. I was like, as if Messier, Graves, Leetch, Matteau, Larmer, Beuk would ever be sitting on the bench like that for any game in their career. You can't win cups with babies like that.
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Posted 2021-07-25 5:01 PM (#780449 - in reply to #780330)
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Buch and Kravstov bashing in a Drury thread lol. Who’d a thunk it. There’s a Buchnevich trade thread Dumpster.
Some uneducated and probably uninformed blogs criticizing Drury’s draft, which was one he was targeting certain qualities as much as skill. None of the straight skill types. I have no problem with that and was nice to see a high Canadian and USA player content. They all appear to be competitors which will take a young player a long ways.
The draft you judge in two years.
I don’t like the Goodrow contract term or $$ preferring instead a trade of some of the too many defensive assets for a younger unproven Goodrow type. But it is what it is he should be a big help as long as impatient Ranger fans don’t get on the guy for to little offence. I’m on record for the Buchnevich trade, a popular guy in the room and leaving behind more than a few pissed off teammates as reported by Carpinello. It was obvious he was going, but surprisingly for only a disappointing return of a banger with a couple warts, and a pick, hard to believe that was all that was out there, but more likely the best deal that was out there to acquire that type of player. I give Drury credit he’s got balls to make that trade. He’s heavy on the bet Kakko in particular is ready for the number 1 RW slot and you could see a little chemistry with Panarin and Strome and Kravstov last season so high hopes for that. All in all Drury has done ok, been bold which you have to do. Compared to Fletcher in Philly Drury looks like the second coming of Sam Pollock.
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Posted 2021-07-26 7:52 AM (#780453 - in reply to #780330)
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I'll say this about Drury: finally there was a focus in the draft upon western Canadian/North American kids in the lower rounds rather than trying to grab a diamond in the rough European. For years other teams would stock their system with gritty bottom 6 forwards and third pair defensemen using the lower rounds of the draft. While the Rangers wasted those picks on longshot smaller players from Europe. And then the Rangers management would wonder why they never had hard-nosed role players in the system when they needed them.

Looks like Drury has abandoned the stupidity of the past. The draft philosophy has adjusted and that's a good thing. I had suspected that this might happen when Drury fired the head of European scouting, Nick Bobrov, and told the media that he and Director of North American scouting, Chris Morehouse, would take over the draft. Good! This was long overdue.
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Posted 2021-07-30 3:31 PM (#780603 - in reply to #780330)
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Updated with the moves from yesterday
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Posted 2021-08-10 8:59 AM (#780704 - in reply to #780330)
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Updated with Shesterkin and other RFA signings
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Posted 2021-08-10 9:20 AM (#780706 - in reply to #780330)
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Drury has been incredible so far. Most of our dumbass fan base has totally forgotten what kind of team and players wins playoff games. You win more playoff games with a Goodrow, Blais, Rooney or Hunt than you do with a euro pussy like Buchnevich. Most of our fan base has also lowered their bar for defensive play and penalty killing so badly it's pathetic. Stating Buchnevich was a really good PK guy. No he wasn't. He sucked compared to guys like Hagelin, Moore and Boyle. He sucked compared to guys like Messier, Larmer and MacTavish. People get caught up with these stupid new stats. They are useless. A guy like Messier or Hagelin had other teams point men constantly playing afraid on the PP because of their speed. Boyle, Moore and MacTavish would constantly win big draws or make big blocks of shots. Larmer would always be in the right place. The team has had so many euro rejects or soft players on this team forever it's no wonder they were butt fukkkked by the Islanders their last 3 games. Rangers most talented players could play brave because a Kocur or Orr was around. I remember watching Orr saying Brashear was running around targeting the Rangers best players. He didn't like it so he crossed Ovechkin in the mouth and knocked his front teeth it. That has been missing for a long time here.
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Posted 2021-08-10 5:58 PM (#780708 - in reply to #780330)
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Drury has been solid so far. I will go on record stating that now because the results this season may, or may not, be positive despite making good moves in the off-season.

He has done what needed to be done to move the rebuild along to the final stages.
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Posted 2021-08-10 9:25 PM (#780709 - in reply to #780330)
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Goodrow, Blais, Reaves, Tinordi, dark horse Dryden Hunt ya they beefed up their third and fourth lines which everyone on the planet knew they had to do. Upgraded bottom pair d with Nemeth and Lunqvist. Another check mark.. Hard to criticize the Buchnevich trade without knowing Drury’s options and knowing Drury had to do it this off season, which 31 other GM’s knew. Goodrows contract is the cost of doing business. Shestorokin contract another cost of doing business contract. Rangers made a statement he’s their go to goalie and if he’s as advertised Rangers are good for three more years after this upcoming season. One could say Drury has been very diligent in filling holes.
If I have a complaint about Gorton and Davidson last summer it was their free agent signings and acquisitions were pathetic, with the exception of Blackwell, it’s like they mailed in last season and it bit them in the ass. Drury very well probably learned something watching that. Interesting season coming up.
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LaFrenger - 2021-08-11 12:25 AM

Goodrow, Blais, Reaves, Tinordi, dark horse Dryden Hunt ya they beefed up their third and fourth lines which everyone on the planet knew they had to do. Upgraded bottom pair d with Nemeth and Lunqvist. Another check mark.. Hard to criticize the Buchnevich trade without knowing Drury’s options and knowing Drury had to do it this off season, which 31 other GM’s knew. Goodrows contract is the cost of doing business. Shestorokin contract another cost of doing business contract. Rangers made a statement he’s their go to goalie and if he’s as advertised Rangers are good for three more years after this upcoming season. One could say Drury has been very diligent in filling holes.
If I have a complaint about Gorton and Davidson last summer it was their free agent signings and acquisitions were pathetic, with the exception of Blackwell, it’s like they mailed in last season and it bit them in the ass. Drury very well probably learned something watching that. Interesting season coming up.


Rooney was a pretty good signing too.

As for this year, where's the Stud C?
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Posted 2021-08-11 6:27 AM (#780711 - in reply to #780710)
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Cap'nMess - 2021-08-11 4:04 AM

LaFrenger - 2021-08-11 12:25 AM

Goodrow, Blais, Reaves, Tinordi, dark horse Dryden Hunt ya they beefed up their third and fourth lines which everyone on the planet knew they had to do. Upgraded bottom pair d with Nemeth and Lunqvist. Another check mark.. Hard to criticize the Buchnevich trade without knowing Drury’s options and knowing Drury had to do it this off season, which 31 other GM’s knew. Goodrows contract is the cost of doing business. Shestorokin contract another cost of doing business contract. Rangers made a statement he’s their go to goalie and if he’s as advertised Rangers are good for three more years after this upcoming season. One could say Drury has been very diligent in filling holes.
If I have a complaint about Gorton and Davidson last summer it was their free agent signings and acquisitions were pathetic, with the exception of Blackwell, it’s like they mailed in last season and it bit them in the ass. Drury very well probably learned something watching that. Interesting season coming up.


Rooney was a pretty good signing too.

As for this year, where's the Stud C?


Good catch forgot about Rooney he was a real good signing. Big C is still in the water.
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Posted 2021-08-11 2:41 PM (#780713 - in reply to #780709)
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LaFrenger - 2021-08-10 10:25 PM
Goodrows contract is the cost of doing business.


I see it differently. I see the Goodrow signing as a high risk for a number of reasons:

If the Rangers were near to competing seriously for a Cup, then the one or two years you're likely to get out of him might make sense, by the time the team will be contenders, he'll be well past his prime.

The vast majority of forwards tend to peak around the time that UFA kicks in 27/28 and then drop off to varying degrees. You always have exceptions, look at Ovechkin for instance, but the majority tend to follow a quick rise upwards, only to peak and drop at this age. Goodrow playing a physical game, is at greater risk of dropping quicker and more sharply, as players of his ilk typically do. The Rangers might be able to get 1 ... maybe 2 years, but at that point the rest will probably be underperforming. He'll be an expensive fourth liner before you know it.

Whether he can perform without his partners Gourde and Coleman remains to be seen. Goodrow didn't emerge until he joined the Lightning, who got him cheap and paired him up in a way that made the most of his skills. By contrast it's not clear at this point who he'd play with on the team. Rooney and Barron might work, or perhaps Blais, Reaves or Hunt...but then you're really looking a t a 4th liner, rather than the third liner he's been promoted as.

Speaking of which, his offensive high is 7 goals...he had 6 in a shortened season last year, three of which were into an empty net. He's kind of like a slightly bigger version of Jed Ortmeyer in that respect

What Drury did with Goodrow is basically pay him for what he HAS done, versus what he likely will do with the Rangers.

He really needed to spend more effort trying to find a 25/26 year old guy (or perhaps younger) who could possibly evolve into Goodrow, rather than hope that he gets the exception to the rule in this one. A recent analysis I came across, found that only about 1 in 5 UFAs live up to their contract value in their FIRST year...after that it drops.

When it comes down to it, these types of roles you really have to rely on finding some diamonds in the coal. You have to go looking for the guys who haven't yet become that player, rather than paying the ones who have already done it, to try and do it again.

Of course there's the "appearance" of doing something, which is why teams get so much pressure from the media, fanbase etc to do SOMETHING on these days, and the tenure of a GM isn't often long enough for them to have to deal with the consequences. But as fans, we typically have a longer investment with a team and as such it ultimately impacts our happiness long after those who perpetrated it are gone.

Singularly the deals for Goodrow, Buchnevich and even the extension for Reaves are not fatal in and of themselves, but collectively they can have an impact. Next year there's going to be some serious challenges at one of the most important positions - center - where Strome and Zibanejad both become UFAs....assuming they're not gone before that. Gaining Eichel only partly solves the problem, with you having to either rely on Chytil to step up, or picking up someone else's unwanted player....because with $5.3M tied up in Reaves and Goodrow, you're not going to have those extra dollars to fix the center spot - or perhaps they can unload either of Kreider or Trouba.

Anyway, to me the Goodrow is not the "cost of doing business" but akin to betting a big chunk of money on a single number in roulette. You might win, but you're probably going to lose.
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Posted 2021-08-11 6:16 PM (#780715 - in reply to #780713)
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Fish - 2021-08-11 1:41 PM

LaFrenger - 2021-08-10 10:25 PM
Goodrows contract is the cost of doing business.


I see it differently. I see the Goodrow signing as a high risk for a number of reasons:

If the Rangers were near to competing seriously for a Cup, then the one or two years you're likely to get out of him might make sense, by the time the team will be contenders, he'll be well past his prime.

The vast majority of forwards tend to peak around the time that UFA kicks in 27/28 and then drop off to varying degrees. You always have exceptions, look at Ovechkin for instance, but the majority tend to follow a quick rise upwards, only to peak and drop at this age. Goodrow playing a physical game, is at greater risk of dropping quicker and more sharply, as players of his ilk typically do. The Rangers might be able to get 1 ... maybe 2 years, but at that point the rest will probably be underperforming. He'll be an expensive fourth liner before you know it.

Whether he can perform without his partners Gourde and Coleman remains to be seen. Goodrow didn't emerge until he joined the Lightning, who got him cheap and paired him up in a way that made the most of his skills. By contrast it's not clear at this point who he'd play with on the team. Rooney and Barron might work, or perhaps Blais, Reaves or Hunt...but then you're really looking a t a 4th liner, rather than the third liner he's been promoted as.

Speaking of which, his offensive high is 7 goals...he had 6 in a shortened season last year, three of which were into an empty net. He's kind of like a slightly bigger version of Jed Ortmeyer in that respect

What Drury did with Goodrow is basically pay him for what he HAS done, versus what he likely will do with the Rangers.

He really needed to spend more effort trying to find a 25/26 year old guy (or perhaps younger) who could possibly evolve into Goodrow, rather than hope that he gets the exception to the rule in this one. A recent analysis I came across, found that only about 1 in 5 UFAs live up to their contract value in their FIRST year...after that it drops.

When it comes down to it, these types of roles you really have to rely on finding some diamonds in the coal. You have to go looking for the guys who haven't yet become that player, rather than paying the ones who have already done it, to try and do it again.

Of course there's the "appearance" of doing something, which is why teams get so much pressure from the media, fanbase etc to do SOMETHING on these days, and the tenure of a GM isn't often long enough for them to have to deal with the consequences. But as fans, we typically have a longer investment with a team and as such it ultimately impacts our happiness long after those who perpetrated it are gone.

Singularly the deals for Goodrow, Buchnevich and even the extension for Reaves are not fatal in and of themselves, but collectively they can have an impact. Next year there's going to be some serious challenges at one of the most important positions - center - where Strome and Zibanejad both become UFAs....assuming they're not gone before that. Gaining Eichel only partly solves the problem, with you having to either rely on Chytil to step up, or picking up someone else's unwanted player....because with $5.3M tied up in Reaves and Goodrow, you're not going to have those extra dollars to fix the center spot - or perhaps they can unload either of Kreider or Trouba.

Anyway, to me the Goodrow is not the "cost of doing business" but akin to betting a big chunk of money on a single number in roulette. You might win, but you're probably going to lose.



They were not going to get him any cheaper unless he didn’t sign with the Rangers, entered free agency and his market dried up, which I highly doubt. Hence the cost of doing business. In order to maximize the pick they traded for him, they had to sign him.
I’ve watched the Rangers for a very long time and I’ve seen this scenario a lot. They will never learn. Would have been a lot more productive to trade a d prospect and a little higher pick for a Goodrow type still on a entry level contract, if available. Then they go out and get Blais, Hunt, Reaves which almost makes Goodrow, mostly because of his contract unnecessary. Not to mention what Ritchie signed for in Toronto, who could have easily replaced Goodrow, and has a lot more skillful mitts. So ya I agree with you, but it was still the cost of business, they were not going to get him cheaper, and again I will say the Rangers jumped the gun on him, instead of maybe looking a little deeper for a cheaper body. I think Goodrow has got it to do here. He better show up with his hammer cocked.
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Posted 2021-08-12 10:04 AM (#780720 - in reply to #780330)
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Yeah, I didn't expect them to get him cheaper, I expected them NOT to acquire and sign him. It's kind of like people who buy the latest Play Station or Xbox on eBay because they want it now. Just because it's the market value, it doesn't mean that you should do it.

I have less issue with overpaying Patrik Nemeth, I do with overpaying Goodrow and extending Reaves. While acquiring Reaves was comically predictable, the cost of a third rounder is not the worst, even if it's an overpay. Extending him another year though...that's foolish, and if it was the cost of acquiring him, then don't acquire him. The amount of games that Reaves is going to make a difference might be one or two in an 82 game season. Even still, it's not as predictably bad as the Goodrow deal, just kind of dumbish.

Gorton certainly wasn't perfect, the McDonagh/Miller trade and the signings of Trouba and Kreider all have a lengthy impact on the team, though in the case of McDonagh in particular, they also don't have his current contract and perhaps wouldn't have seen the emergence of Fox/Lindgren if he was still around. I admittedly was a bit ambivalent on the Kreider deal at the time, but I think we're getting a better perspective on these things operating under the cap, and to be honest if COVID hadn't happened, then Kreider/Trouba would be less impactful than they are now with the Cap having been projecting to be flat for all but the first and last years of those contracts.




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Posted 2021-08-12 11:19 AM (#780722 - in reply to #780330)
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Ritchie signed for 2 years 1.7/3.3 (2.5mill/year). He is only 25.
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Posted 2021-08-12 11:41 AM (#780725 - in reply to #780722)
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x10003q - 2021-08-12 10:19 AM

Ritchie signed for 2 years 1.7/3.3 (2.5mill/year). He is only 25.




I don’t think it’s even a contest between Ritchie and Goodrow. Ritchie probably took less to play in Toronto so 2.5 mill per even for 3-4 years if he would have signed that, would have been a far better deal for the Rangers.
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Posted 2021-08-12 12:48 PM (#780730 - in reply to #780725)
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LaFrenger - 2021-08-12 2:41 PM

x10003q - 2021-08-12 10:19 AM

Ritchie signed for 2 years 1.7/3.3 (2.5mill/year). He is only 25.




I don’t think it’s even a contest between Ritchie and Goodrow. Ritchie probably took less to play in Toronto so 2.5 mill per even for 3-4 years if he would have signed that, would have been a far better deal for the Rangers.


Yup. They fell hard for Goodrow. Too bad for the Rangers.
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Posted 2021-10-11 12:17 PM (#781291 - in reply to #780330)
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Updated with the Zibanejad extension
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Posted 2021-10-13 2:26 PM (#781356 - in reply to #780330)
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In the end, Drury will be hard to evaluate as a GM because unlike Gorton, I don't believe he's acting with a free hand. He has Dolan barking in his ear the whole time.

That said, I have my doubts. We'll see.
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Posted 2021-10-13 3:29 PM (#781361 - in reply to #780330)
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Gorton's idea of a team was a massive failure. Just look at the end of last season and the playoffs vs. the Canes.
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