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Posted 2021-08-26 1:29 PM (#780802)
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Development camp (which normally gets held in July and extends into the early September Traverse City Tourney) will begin on the 10th, just 15 days away

On-ice activities for camp will begin on the 23rd, and I suspect players will report for physicals on the 22nd.
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Posted 2021-08-30 5:58 AM (#780809 - in reply to #780802)
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Posted 2021-08-30 3:08 PM (#780810 - in reply to #780802)
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After reading those Brooks articles over the weekend, looks like it'll be a more laid back camp this year. Pretty difficult to speculate on how the lines will come together at this stage, new coaching staff, Eichel still hanging over this organization and of course the new bodies.

Fools errand so early on, but I've started to put together some coverage for the camp:

http://outsidethegarden.com/trainingcamp/2021/default.asp
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Posted 2021-08-31 3:17 PM (#780811 - in reply to #780802)
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Unless there is a trade made, there is no room for Barron, Kravtsov, Richards or Gauthier. They will all be in the minors. Goodrow, Chytil, Blais, Hunt, Reeves and Rooney will make up the bottom 6.
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Posted 2021-09-01 8:49 AM (#780812 - in reply to #780802)
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I don't see Hunt as a regular at this stage, but it's a possibility that they go that route...though I think it's more likely that Kravtsov - with a solid camp - gets that spot ahead of Hunt. I think Barron's fate was sealed with they traded for Reaves, and I don't think Richards really had much chance to get into the line-up, perhaps he gets a look if they have substantial injury issues among the top 6 wings during the season, but I would expect it's unlikely at this point.

I think Gauthier would have to be outstanding in camp to overcome the perspective the team has on him now, certainly didn't expect him to be in the mix for a spot on the opening roster.
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Posted 2021-09-01 9:56 AM (#780813 - in reply to #780802)
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I think Kravstov is a lock, and would not be suprised at all to see Kreider on the third line and Kravstov with Panarin and Strome and Kakko with Zib and Lafreniere. Not sure Hunt has any advantage over Barron, who very well might be the extra getting time while Reaves sits. He’s proven in Hartford and needs to be moved up to the NHL to see what he’s got. Gautier’s ship has sailed.
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Posted 2021-09-01 12:29 PM (#780814 - in reply to #780813)
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LaFrenger - 2021-09-01 10:56 AM

I think Kravstov is a lock, and would not be suprised at all to see Kreider on the third line and Kravstov with Panarin and Strome and Kakko with Zib and Lafreniere. Not sure Hunt has any advantage over Barron, who very well might be the extra getting time while Reaves sits. He’s proven in Hartford and needs to be moved up to the NHL to see what he’s got. Gautier’s ship has sailed.


Yeah I considered that Kreider might end up on the third, and I do wonder whether he might be a better match with Goodrow than some of the other wings on the team, but we'll see. In the end, I thought having three of your top four wingers being relatively unproven was probably too much risk, so went with Kreider to remain on the top two pairs. I do expect Lafreniere to make a leap this year, so that will play into it as the year goes on, I think Kakko and Kravtsov also both have the potential to figure out their offensive game this year, but I think they might be a bit more streaky to begin with.

One of the other things I struggled a bit with, Kakko hasn't fit well with Panarin-Strome to date, and I'm not sure whether that's going to change much this year, and it's possible that Kravtsov would be a much better fit. In which case having Kakko and Lafreniere with Zibanejad could make some sense going forward, if you can survive the learning process long enough. That scenario would of course push Kreider to the third line.
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Posted 2021-09-02 9:38 AM (#780817 - in reply to #780802)
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Kakko wasn't a fit because his old coach was a dumb fukkk. He never put him on the first pp one timing it from the RW to get his confidence up. That helps a lot. Strome is not a legit playmaker. He also changed lines every fukkking game. That being said, I liked Lafreniere on the RW with Panarin and Strome. I would prefer Kakko on the RW one timing it with Kreider and Zibanejad. He gives that line great size. Panarin is more of a thinking player like Lafeniere. Kakko is more along the lines of Zibanejad and Kreider where they use size and skating to make plays. Kakko's improvement with his skating was incredible last year and nobody talked about it. His crossovers and ability to rag the puck was lights out last year. Defenseman couldn't take the puck from him. He just needs to learn to do more with the puck when he does that.
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Posted 2021-09-02 5:58 PM (#780818 - in reply to #780802)
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I highly doubt Kravtsov is lock. He was unimpressive last year to say the least. He's soft. Doesn't have any physical element to his game. Doesn't do anything particulary well. He's exactly what Drury doesn't want on the bottom 6 and he's not nearly good enough to play in the top 6 with what the team currently has.
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Posted 2021-09-03 1:45 PM (#780819 - in reply to #780818)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2021-09-02 6:58 PM

I highly doubt Kravtsov is lock. He was unimpressive last year to say the least. He's soft. Doesn't have any physical element to his game. Doesn't do anything particulary well. He's exactly what Drury doesn't want on the bottom 6 and he's not nearly good enough to play in the top 6 with what the team currently has.


I thought Kravtsov showed pretty good strength on the puck, particularly in the KHL, and I was actually surprised that he looked like he had a decent defensive game too, though I felt that faded as his cameo went on. I do think he has an above average ability to shoot and score which could translate into a pretty decent top line forward. I'm not yet sure about his passing ability, and whether he has the desire to compete when things are going tough, but we'll find that out with time.
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Posted 2021-09-03 7:29 PM (#780820 - in reply to #780802)
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All young forward on the Rangers had problems because of a coach changing line mates during just about every game. Constantly moved down the lineup for no reason. I think every young forward played like he had the getting moved to the fourth line bullseye on his back. For as much as Lindgren, Fox, and Miller thrived on Defense, every young forward, Kappo, Lafreniere , Kravstov and Chytil struggled to gain the coaches confidence and that’s on Quinn. Any putz that has coached young players in hockey should understand they will make mistakes. Honest mistakes acceptable and hope they decrease over time. Cheating mistakes unacceptable and players should be bumped down the lineup or benched. I didn’t see to many cheating mistakes by the kids. They gave a pretty honest effort every night and Quinn didn’t need a excuse to bump any of them down the lineup, he did it just about every game. Hopefully Gallant gives them the honest mistake speech and that crap is over. And Kravstov showed a lot of smarts, the kid is a stud. He showed up late in the year, knew nobody, knew nothing about his teammates, got bounced around the lines every night by Quinn, and he still showed a lot of potential. Now it’s on Gallant to move the young guys along. Kravstov no matter where he plays will be better than fine.
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Posted 2021-09-20 8:46 AM (#780913 - in reply to #780802)
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Hopefully we'll see the camp roster later today, though it might not be until tomorrow or even Wednesday.
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Posted 2021-09-21 10:25 AM (#780914 - in reply to #780802)
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Have you found the camp roster yet Toby.? I googled it and nothing.
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Posted 2021-09-21 12:41 PM (#780915 - in reply to #780802)
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Hasn't been released yet, might not come until tomorrow....
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Posted 2021-09-21 1:14 PM (#780917 - in reply to #780914)
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LaFrenger - 2021-09-21 11:25 AM

Have you found the camp roster yet Toby.? I googled it and nothing.


Well just got posted

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Posted 2021-09-21 2:37 PM (#780918 - in reply to #780802)
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So:

36 Forwards
17 Defensemen
7 Goaltenders

6 Pack contracted players: Frtiz, O'Leary, Sanchez, Whelan, Berzolla and Giuttari
0 PTOs/Invitees
5 Prospects not yet signed: Grubbe, Korczak, Vierling, Boyko and Garand
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Posted 2021-09-21 4:20 PM (#780924 - in reply to #780802)
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Thanks Fish.
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Posted 2021-09-22 7:26 AM (#780927 - in reply to #780802)
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Posted 2021-09-22 7:47 AM (#780928 - in reply to #780802)
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Apparently, Cuylle is ineligible for assignment to Hartford this year. He either makes the big club or plays for Windsor of the OHL.

Though he played 18 games for the AHL Wolf Pack last season as the OHL was shuttered throughout the pandemic, Cuylle is ineligible for assignment to Hartford this year. Players under age 20 are only eligible to play in the AHL if they played at least 20 AHL games last year under a summer agreement forged by the NHL, NHLPA and CHL.


https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/rangers-have-will-cuylle-dilemma-becau...

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Posted 2021-09-22 8:55 AM (#780929 - in reply to #780802)
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Yeah, I think Cuylle has perhaps risen the most in terms of forward prospects since the beginning of the last season, so I guess the hope would be that he can dominate in the OHL, and be ready next year. Would be tough to see how he makes it to the big team at this point, with all the wingers in his way.
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Posted 2021-09-22 11:05 AM (#780930 - in reply to #780928)
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Steady Eddie - 2021-09-22 10:47 AM

Apparently, Cuylle is ineligible for assignment to Hartford this year. He either makes the big club or plays for Windsor of the OHL.

Though he played 18 games for the AHL Wolf Pack last season as the OHL was shuttered throughout the pandemic, Cuylle is ineligible for assignment to Hartford this year. Players under age 20 are only eligible to play in the AHL if they played at least 20 AHL games last year under a summer agreement forged by the NHL, NHLPA and CHL.


https://nypost.com/2021/09/21/rangers-have-will-cuylle-dilemma-becau...



These rules are so crooked and random. Eff the player - its either NHL or back to a season of useless major-jr. How about proper player development no matter when their effin birthday lands? If Cuylle is that close, it might be better to be playing in the AHL against men plus Rangers coaching in Hartford vs going back to Windsor to beat up on teenagers.
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Posted 2021-09-23 8:46 AM (#780939 - in reply to #780802)
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Four players out for the start of camp - no real detail on injuries or seriousness

Keith Kinkaid
Matthew Robertson
Austin Rueschhoff
Evan Vierling
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Posted 2021-09-24 10:45 AM (#780949 - in reply to #780802)
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They've been skating Hunt-Barron-Gauthier as a "fifth line" so to speak

Also, Keith Kinkaid back on the ice today, so just missed the first day
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Posted 2021-09-25 7:54 AM (#780954 - in reply to #780802)
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I see Barron the only guy in the mix. And he will get his chance, injuries ect.
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Posted 2021-09-25 9:22 AM (#780955 - in reply to #780802)
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Another reason why this kid is going to have a year.

https://fb.watch/8f1vA08Ed7/
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Posted 2021-09-26 10:15 AM (#780963 - in reply to #780802)
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The New York Rangers announced today that the team has trimmed its Training Camp roster by 13 players, as Jayden Grubbe, Ryder Korczak, Evan Vierling, Dylan Garand, and Talyn Boyko have been assigned to their respective junior teams, and Alex Whelan, Michael O'Leary, Jake Elmer, Patrick Khodorenko, James Sanchez, Zach Berzolla, Hunter Skinner, and Zach Giuttari have all been assigned to Training Camp with the Hartford Wolf Pack of the American Hockey League (AHL).

The Rangers have 47 players remaining in Training Camp. The roster breakdown is listed below:

FORWARDS 28

10 - Artemi Panarin
13 - Alexis Lafrenière
14 - Greg McKegg
15 - Julien Gauthier
16 - Ryan Strome
17 - Kevin Rooney
20 - Chris Kreider
21 - Barclay Goodrow
24 - Kaapo Kakko
26 - Tim Gettinger
28 - Anthony Greco
29 - Dryden Hunt
47 - Morgan Barron
49 - Lauri Pajuniemi
50 - William Cuylle
59 - Ty Ronning
70 - Karl Henriksson
72 - Filip Chytil
73 - Matt Rempe
74 - Vitali Kravtsov
75 - Ryan Reaves
76 - Jonny Brodzinski
78 - Brennan Othmann
85 - Austin Rueschhoff
86 - Tanner Fritz
90 - Justin Richards
91 - Sammy Blais
93 - Mika Zibanejad

DEFENSEMEN (14)

5 - Jarred Tinordi
6 - Zac Jones
8 - Jacob Trouba
12 - Patrik Nemeth
22 - Anthony Bitetto
23 - Adam Fox
25 - Libor Hajek
44 - Matthew Robertson
45 - Braden Schneider
51 - Tarmo Reunanen
54 - Mason Geertsen
55 - Ryan Lindgren
64 - Nils Lundkvist
79 - K'Andre Miller

GOALTENDERS (5)

31 - Igor Shesterkin
32 - Adam Huska
40 - Alexandar Georgiev
71 - Keith Kinkaid
80 - Tyler Wall
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Posted 2021-09-27 11:20 AM (#780983 - in reply to #780802)
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We're down to 45...Matt Rempe reassigned to Seattle (WHL) and Karl Henriksson back to Frolunda (SHL)
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Posted 2021-09-28 5:33 AM (#780987 - in reply to #780802)
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Reading a Post article about Kappo, and you can see in his picture he's put on some muscle 6'3' 205 lbs. and looks like he's matured physically into a body more able to impose his game. Third year usually tells the tale. Excited for this guy this year.
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Posted 2021-09-28 8:43 AM (#780988 - in reply to #780802)
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Looks like Bitetto will be the only one to get another shot tonight

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Posted 2021-09-28 12:14 PM (#780995 - in reply to #780802)
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Three more cuts:

Rueschhoff
Fritz
Reunanen
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Posted 2021-09-28 12:32 PM (#780996 - in reply to #780802)
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Bitshitto sucks. My guess is they are giving him one more game before they cut his ass.
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Posted 2021-09-28 3:26 PM (#781000 - in reply to #780802)
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I suspect this will be Bitetto’s last game. Be great if Drury could snag any late round pick for him.
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Posted 2021-09-29 8:24 AM (#781027 - in reply to #780802)
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Justin Richards has been sent down to Hartford, we're down to 41
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Posted 2021-09-29 12:53 PM (#781038 - in reply to #781027)
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Fish - 2021-09-29 10:24 AM

Justin Richards has been sent down to Hartford, we're down to 41


Man, it must suck being the guy sent down alone, right after a game, knowing there are 18 more to cut.

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Posted 2021-09-30 8:34 AM (#781046 - in reply to #780802)
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This might be the line combos for tomorrow's game:

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Posted 2021-09-30 9:21 AM (#781047 - in reply to #780802)
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Some interesting choices in this line-up.

Bitetto appearing in his third straight might mean they're evaluating him over Tinordi for the 7th dman spot, and playing Hajek on the right might be to evaluate whether he has additional utility that would perhaps look at keeping him rather than trying to send him through waivers.

Robertson also gets his first action after missing the first few days with a groin injury. I don't think he has a shot at unseating Nemeth yet, but a good performance would perhaps put the pressure on Nemeth.

Interesting that they chose to put Othmann on the right of Rooney and Reavees, I imagine it's to give him a bigger opportunity to show what kind of player he is. Also interesting to slot Lafreniere in there with Gettinger and Cuylle, but wonder if they're giving him more time to acclimate to the right side (suspect the line-up put him on the wrong side...but guess we'll see).
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Posted 2021-09-30 10:40 AM (#781048 - in reply to #780802)
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Well sounds like now, that the line-up for tomorrow isn't settled. Does sound like they're going to try Kreider on the right and move Lafreniere back to the left
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Posted 2021-09-30 12:51 PM (#781053 - in reply to #780802)
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Well, we have six placed on waivers, and assume they'll be reassigned tomorrow:

Bitetto
Brodzinski
Gettinger
Greco
Kinkaid
Ronning

Othmann also reassigned to the OHL
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Posted 2021-09-30 2:02 PM (#781054 - in reply to #780802)
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Also worth noting that the experiment for having Lafreniere on the right is now over, and they're going to try Kreider...who apparently is happy to make the switch
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Fish - 2021-09-30 11:51 AM Well, we have six placed on waivers, and assume they'll be reassigned tomorrow: Bitetto Brodzinski Gettinger Greco Kinkaid Ronning Othmann also reassigned to the OHL

 

 

 

Certainly no surprises, doing Bitetto a favour of waivers this early, before rosters settle down, although I'm not sure he's even a borderline NHL'er. . More cuts to come, and let the second guessing begin then.

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Down to 34. 6 forward lines, 6 defensive units, and 2 goalie tandems.

FORWARDS 18

10 - Artemi Panarin
13 - Alexis Lafrenière
14 - Greg McKegg
15 - Julien Gauthier
16 - Ryan Strome
17 - Kevin Rooney
20 - Chris Kreider
21 - Barclay Goodrow
24 - Kaapo Kakko
29 - Dryden Hunt
47 - Morgan Barron
49 - Lauri Pajuniemi
50 - William Cuylle
72 - Filip Chytil
74 - Vitali Kravtsov
75 - Ryan Reaves
91 - Sammy Blais
93 - Mika Zibanejad

DEFENSEMEN (12)

5 - Jarred Tinordi
6 - Zac Jones
8 - Jacob Trouba
12 - Patrik Nemeth
23 - Adam Fox
25 - Libor Hajek
44 - Matthew Robertson
45 - Braden Schneider
54 - Mason Geertsen
55 - Ryan Lindgren
64 - Nils Lundkvist
79 - K'Andre Miller

GOALTENDERS (4)

31 - Igor Shesterkin
32 - Adam Huska
40 - Alexandar Georgiev
80 - Tyler Wall
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Posted 2021-10-01 5:51 AM (#781061 - in reply to #780802)
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Soon down to Lafreniere, Panarin, Strome, Rooney, Kreider, Goodrow, Kappo, Hunt, Barron, Chytil, Kravstov, Reaves, Blais and Zibanejad.
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I'm thinking Nemeth might make it one year here. That's it. I almost get the sense that Gallant really wants to play Jones-Schneider as a pairing. Honestly, from what I've seen of Schneider so far, he can play in the NHL right now. You gotta think a GM will come calling and come in with a strong offer to try and swipe a couple of defenseman from this team that won't make the club because of numbers.

This Tkachuk deal in Ottawa is an opportunity. He clearly wants out. Rangers have more than enough to get him. They need a lot of help on their defense. Lundkvist on the right side with Chabot a lefty would be their PP QB's for a decade. Hajek is an upgrade for them and there seems to be no room for him here. They may want Jones instead. Throw in a promising power forward prospect in Cuylle and another in Barron and you might have a deal. Point being that Tkachuk on this team is a difference maker. It also enable the Rangers to move Kreider down in the lineup and eventually get rid of him.
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Posted 2021-10-01 9:00 AM (#781063 - in reply to #780802)
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Looks like this might be the line-up for tonight:

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Posted 2021-10-01 11:09 AM (#781064 - in reply to #780802)
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All six waived players clear...so we're down to 34
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Putting Lundkvist with Tinordi who sucks is not a ringing endorsement. Reality is our PP badly needs Lundkvist shooting it. Fox is great but his shot is average at best. I'm seriously thinking Schneider is going to make the team with Nemeth on the right side and Lundkvist and Jones will be in the minors for a little.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=182Oga8N2Ds
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Pierre_Pdare - 2021-10-01 4:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=182Oga8N2Ds


This get's the juices flowing..
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Posted 2021-10-03 11:41 AM (#781142 - in reply to #780802)
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Down to 27 now

Geertsen claimed by Devils
Cuylle back to OHL
Pajuniemi, Schneider, Robertson, Wall and Huska - Hartford
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Posted 2021-10-04 4:28 AM (#781145 - in reply to #781142)
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Greg McKegg on waivers.
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Posted 2021-10-04 4:58 AM (#781146 - in reply to #780802)
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I think Schneider has been better than Lundkvist
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Posted 2021-10-04 5:39 AM (#781147 - in reply to #780802)
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He wasn't last game. Lundkvist showed why he broke records. Schneider still blocked a lot of shots in that game vs. Boston. His time is coming. If Trouba doesn't get his head out of his ass for a full season he will get asked to drop his NMC and if he doesn't he could be getting scratched. More I think about a captain, it starts to point to Lindgren who actually is consistent game in and game out and plays beyond his talent.
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Posted 2021-10-07 11:03 AM (#781222 - in reply to #780802)
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Zac Jones sent to Wolfpack.
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Steady Eddie - 2021-10-07 10:03 AM Zac Jones sent to Wolfpack.

 

 

He had a good camp. Played himself into a nice trade chip for the Rangers. Once camps end and season reality sets in some teams will be calling. 

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