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concust
Posted 2017-05-15 3:18 PM (#676181 - in reply to #676178)
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I dig. In a perfect world you trade him for picks and use the cap space on a replacement.


Ok, who would that be?

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/center/ufa/




His replacement doesn't have to come off that list. Trade him for picks, trade other assets to replace him and use the cap space. Surely you understand a "perfect world" includes a UFA list with some quality replacements. I've repeated on here the Rangers are not going to waive or give Stepan away for nothing. If they want to move him it will be by trade.


Ok, so then the plan is to trade Stepan for assets and $6.5m in savings. Then trade more assets for someone who's cheaper and younger, (otherwise logically it wouldn't make sense to trade him in the first place)

So who would you target?

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Rranger
Posted 2017-05-15 6:36 PM (#676183 - in reply to #671261)
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Logically he could be traded for a similar aged and contracted player, if Gorton thinks it makes his team better. It doesn't have to be for a younger or cheaper player. Or it could be for picks or a different position player, or whatever floats Gorton's boat. Stepan is one of the easiest players in the league to play against. Not exactly a good thing for a number one centre.
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Posted 2017-05-16 4:37 AM (#676197 - in reply to #676183)
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Rranger - 2017-05-15 7:36 PM

Logically he could be traded for a similar aged and contracted player, if Gorton thinks it makes his team better. It doesn't have to be for a younger or cheaper player. Or it could be for picks or a different position player, or whatever floats Gorton's boat. Stepan is one of the easiest players in the league to play against. Not exactly a good thing for a number one centre.


So why would someone want to trade for him given that he's a terrible #1 center and costs $6.5m with a NTC? Obviously sometimes there are situational circumstances (McDonagh trade, Subban trade, Datsuyk trade, etc) but who could he go to?

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Posted 2017-05-16 7:53 AM (#676199 - in reply to #676197)
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Rranger - 2017-05-15 7:36 PM

Logically he could be traded for a similar aged and contracted player, if Gorton thinks it makes his team better. It doesn't have to be for a younger or cheaper player. Or it could be for picks or a different position player, or whatever floats Gorton's boat. Stepan is one of the easiest players in the league to play against. Not exactly a good thing for a number one centre.


So why would someone want to trade for him given that he's a terrible #1 center and costs $6.5m with a NTC? Obviously sometimes there are situational circumstances (McDonagh trade, Subban trade, Datsuyk trade, etc) but who could he go to?





Any one of 29 other teams could trade for him. They just have to make cap room. You think he's worth the money so they should be lining up. I don't have a crystal ball to guess whats going to happen to him. If Vigneault is back he's probably going to be here, skating in quicksand, and telling everyone how hard he tried..
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Posted 2017-05-17 9:15 AM (#676230 - in reply to #676199)
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Rranger - 2017-05-15 7:36 PM

Logically he could be traded for a similar aged and contracted player, if Gorton thinks it makes his team better. It doesn't have to be for a younger or cheaper player. Or it could be for picks or a different position player, or whatever floats Gorton's boat. Stepan is one of the easiest players in the league to play against. Not exactly a good thing for a number one centre.


So why would someone want to trade for him given that he's a terrible #1 center and costs $6.5m with a NTC? Obviously sometimes there are situational circumstances (McDonagh trade, Subban trade, Datsuyk trade, etc) but who could he go to?





Any one of 29 other teams could trade for him. They just have to make cap room. You think he's worth the money so they should be lining up. I don't have a crystal ball to guess whats going to happen to him. If Vigneault is back he's probably going to be here, skating in quicksand, and telling everyone how hard he tried..



Don't put this on me, you're the one advocating for a trade, I'm just asking for even some speculation on where he could go and what might make sense but you literally cannot even come up with a fabricated response.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-05-17 9:29 AM (#676231 - in reply to #676230)
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Rranger - 2017-05-15 7:36 PM

Logically he could be traded for a similar aged and contracted player, if Gorton thinks it makes his team better. It doesn't have to be for a younger or cheaper player. Or it could be for picks or a different position player, or whatever floats Gorton's boat. Stepan is one of the easiest players in the league to play against. Not exactly a good thing for a number one centre.


So why would someone want to trade for him given that he's a terrible #1 center and costs $6.5m with a NTC? Obviously sometimes there are situational circumstances (McDonagh trade, Subban trade, Datsuyk trade, etc) but who could he go to?





Any one of 29 other teams could trade for him. They just have to make cap room. You think he's worth the money so they should be lining up. I don't have a crystal ball to guess whats going to happen to him. If Vigneault is back he's probably going to be here, skating in quicksand, and telling everyone how hard he tried..



Don't put this on me, you're the one advocating for a trade, I'm just asking for even some speculation on where he could go and what might make sense but you literally cannot even come up with a fabricated response.





I just want him gone. And in a perfect world you get picks for him and still have the cap space. If he's traded for another player swapping contracts, great. I have a reasonable amount of faith Gorton would do a good job. I'm not aware of who's available in a trade, nor do I know what other moves are going to be made, so how could I speculate.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-05-17 4:02 PM (#676233 - in reply to #676230)
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Rranger - 2017-05-15 7:36 PM

Logically he could be traded for a similar aged and contracted player, if Gorton thinks it makes his team better. It doesn't have to be for a younger or cheaper player. Or it could be for picks or a different position player, or whatever floats Gorton's boat. Stepan is one of the easiest players in the league to play against. Not exactly a good thing for a number one centre.


So why would someone want to trade for him given that he's a terrible #1 center and costs $6.5m with a NTC? Obviously sometimes there are situational circumstances (McDonagh trade, Subban trade, Datsuyk trade, etc) but who could he go to?





Any one of 29 other teams could trade for him. They just have to make cap room. You think he's worth the money so they should be lining up. I don't have a crystal ball to guess whats going to happen to him. If Vigneault is back he's probably going to be here, skating in quicksand, and telling everyone how hard he tried..



Don't put this on me, you're the one advocating for a trade, I'm just asking for even some speculation on where he could go and what might make sense but you literally cannot even come up with a fabricated response.


Who cares who takes him? Just get rid of him!! I don't care what comes back, give me 2 minor league kids that need some developing.

Just getting rid of dead weight and 6.5 for the next 4 years is a huge win for this team..
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-05-17 4:03 PM (#676234 - in reply to #671261)
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I wish Gorton was able to trade him for Zib instead of Brassard.......
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-05-18 9:09 AM (#676242 - in reply to #676176)
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I dig. In a perfect world you trade him for picks and use the cap space on a replacement.


Ok, who would that be?

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/center/ufa/



Protect Lindberg. Then we have Zib, Hayes, Lindberg, for the top three line centers. Go find a good face-off good checking center for the fourth line. Lindberg basically takes the place of stepan. And after signing some 4th line center we should still have about 4 million left by dumping stepan.

Miller can also play center, so we could use all the 6.5 on a solid defensemen.. Dumping stepan opens the doors for possibilities, keeping him shackles this team
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Posted 2017-05-18 10:04 AM (#676244 - in reply to #676242)
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Rranger - 2017-05-12 6:32 PM

I dig. In a perfect world you trade him for picks and use the cap space on a replacement.


Ok, who would that be?

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/center/ufa/



Protect Lindberg. Then we have Zib, Hayes, Lindberg, for the top three line centers. Go find a good face-off good checking center for the fourth line. Lindberg basically takes the place of stepan. And after signing some 4th line center we should still have about 4 million left by dumping stepan.

Miller can also play center, so we could use all the 6.5 on a solid defensemen.. Dumping stepan opens the doors for possibilities, keeping him shackles this team


Martin Hanzal
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-05-18 12:10 PM (#676246 - in reply to #676244)
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robstones - 2017-05-18 10:04 AM

Rangerjunkie - 2017-05-18 11:09 AM

concust - 2017-05-15 6:33 AM

Rranger - 2017-05-12 6:32 PM

I dig. In a perfect world you trade him for picks and use the cap space on a replacement.


Ok, who would that be?

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/center/ufa/



Protect Lindberg. Then we have Zib, Hayes, Lindberg, for the top three line centers. Go find a good face-off good checking center for the fourth line. Lindberg basically takes the place of stepan. And after signing some 4th line center we should still have about 4 million left by dumping stepan.

Miller can also play center, so we could use all the 6.5 on a solid defensemen.. Dumping stepan opens the doors for possibilities, keeping him shackles this team


Martin Hanzal

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sureshore
Posted 2017-05-18 2:26 PM (#676249 - in reply to #676246)
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Rranger - 2017-05-12 6:32 PM

I dig. In a perfect world you trade him for picks and use the cap space on a replacement.


Ok, who would that be?

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/center/ufa/



Protect Lindberg. Then we have Zib, Hayes, Lindberg, for the top three line centers. Go find a good face-off good checking center for the fourth line. Lindberg basically takes the place of stepan. And after signing some 4th line center we should still have about 4 million left by dumping stepan.

Miller can also play center, so we could use all the 6.5 on a solid defensemen.. Dumping stepan opens the doors for possibilities, keeping him shackles this team


Martin Hanzal

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Not sure why a couple on here are so down on Hanzel. If we're talking 4th line center, he's very good defensively, had very good advanced stats on a very bad team, great on faceoffs, and a big body that will throw it around at least a little more than some of our big bodies do. He's just 30 years old and he'll chip in about 30-35 points.

The main issue I see is it's a bad UFA year for centers which may drive his price/years beyond what he's worth. As for the player himself, I have no problems with him.
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robstones
Posted 2017-05-18 6:42 PM (#676253 - in reply to #671261)
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Or bring back Brian Boyle for the 4th line

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robstones
Posted 2017-05-18 6:45 PM (#676254 - in reply to #671261)
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Either way the goal should be to replace Stepan with someone who can win a faceoff. Hanzal does that, he's one of the best in the league. He's also a big body, who uses it. He can play nasty, and deliver a big hit.... Can be a big body infront on the PP.

Those are all things this team needs
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concust
Posted 2017-05-22 10:03 AM (#676285 - in reply to #671261)
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Here we go with the faceoffs again... probably as useless as a stat as plus minus.
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Posted 2017-05-22 1:04 PM (#676286 - in reply to #676285)
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concust - 2017-05-22 12:03 PM

Here we go with the faceoffs again... probably as useless as a stat as plus minus.


If that's all the center brings to the table I agree. But when your center on your #1 PP loses them most of the time it cuts a PP short by about 20-25 seconds right off the bat (and that's just the initial faceoff to start the PP). When he's also one of your top PK guys, his faceoff loss has you starting defending in your own zone immediately.

Don't get me wrong - I value Stepan a lot higher than most on this board but after 7 years in the league he should be able to win at least 50% of faceoffs and especially bear down on those when a big win is needed.
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2017-05-22 2:36 PM (#676287 - in reply to #676285)
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concust - 2017-05-22 10:03 AM

Here we go with the faceoffs again... probably as useless as a stat as plus minus.


Messier said a great PP and PK all start with the face-off!! That doesn't sound useless to me.
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Posted 2017-05-23 8:42 PM (#676299 - in reply to #676287)
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concust - 2017-05-22 10:03 AM

Here we go with the faceoffs again... probably as useless as a stat as plus minus.


Messier said a great PP and PK all start with the face-off!! That doesn't sound useless to me.


I said the stat is useless not the faceoff.

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concust
Posted 2017-05-24 10:10 AM (#676307 - in reply to #671261)
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If anyone is interested in actual data, here's a statistical study of over 211,000 faceoffs from 2008 to 2011.


tl;dr,
"This means that a player must win about 76 more faceoffs than they lose in order to obtain a goal differential for his team."

Last year Stepan took 1522 faceoffs, which is almost 600 more than any other player on the Rangers. Which means he's disproportionately going up against the other team's best faceoff guy. His FO% was 47%. He lost 90 more faecoffs than he won, which according to the study, amounts to (statistically) one goal against. One goal against is worth about 1/3 of a point in the standings. So really his "terrible" faceoff percentage has virtually no impact over the course of a season.

If you don't like him for whatever reason and want him gone, fine - that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but realize that leaning on flawed anecdotal reasoning like "he doesn't win faceoffs" just makes you look dumb.

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Posted 2017-05-24 12:09 PM (#676309 - in reply to #676307)
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concust - 2017-05-24 12:10 PM

If anyone is interested in actual data, here's a statistical study of over 211,000 faceoffs from 2008 to 2011.


tl;dr,
"This means that a player must win about 76 more faceoffs than they lose in order to obtain a goal differential for his team."

Last year Stepan took 1522 faceoffs, which is almost 600 more than any other player on the Rangers. Which means he's disproportionately going up against the other team's best faceoff guy. His FO% was 47%. He lost 90 more faecoffs than he won, which according to the study, amounts to (statistically) one goal against. One goal against is worth about 1/3 of a point in the standings. So really his "terrible" faceoff percentage has virtually no impact over the course of a season.

If you don't like him for whatever reason and want him gone, fine - that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but realize that leaning on flawed anecdotal reasoning like "he doesn't win faceoffs" just makes you look dumb.


Pretty sure the complaints aren't the entire body of faceoff work, rather the important draws that he seems to struggle with. I think most would agree that not all faceoffs are created equal, therefore to lump them all together and come up with some derivative isn't really the point here. Taking the faceoff at center ice to start the second period isn't as critical as winning a faceoff to start a power play when down by a goal.....yet they both get equal treatment in the "stats".

Is there a way you can get stats of faceoffs in different situations? I think that would be much more valuable.
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Posted 2017-05-24 12:11 PM (#676310 - in reply to #676307)
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concust - 2017-05-24 12:10 PM

If anyone is interested in actual data, here's a statistical study of over 211,000 faceoffs from 2008 to 2011.


tl;dr,
"This means that a player must win about 76 more faceoffs than they lose in order to obtain a goal differential for his team."

Last year Stepan took 1522 faceoffs, which is almost 600 more than any other player on the Rangers. Which means he's disproportionately going up against the other team's best faceoff guy. His FO% was 47%. He lost 90 more faecoffs than he won, which according to the study, amounts to (statistically) one goal against. One goal against is worth about 1/3 of a point in the standings. So really his "terrible" faceoff percentage has virtually no impact over the course of a season.

If you don't like him for whatever reason and want him gone, fine - that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but realize that leaning on flawed anecdotal reasoning like "he doesn't win faceoffs" just makes you look dumb.


Also, you need to get more recent data....remember - the faceoff rules changed a few years ago (team in defensive zone has to have their stick down first, etc.), so you cant really cite the source data you showed above as relevant to current day situations.
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Posted 2017-05-24 12:51 PM (#676311 - in reply to #676310)
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Mandar - 2017-05-24 1:11 PM

concust - 2017-05-24 12:10 PM

If anyone is interested in actual data, here's a statistical study of over 211,000 faceoffs from 2008 to 2011.


tl;dr,
"This means that a player must win about 76 more faceoffs than they lose in order to obtain a goal differential for his team."

Last year Stepan took 1522 faceoffs, which is almost 600 more than any other player on the Rangers. Which means he's disproportionately going up against the other team's best faceoff guy. His FO% was 47%. He lost 90 more faecoffs than he won, which according to the study, amounts to (statistically) one goal against. One goal against is worth about 1/3 of a point in the standings. So really his "terrible" faceoff percentage has virtually no impact over the course of a season.

If you don't like him for whatever reason and want him gone, fine - that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but realize that leaning on flawed anecdotal reasoning like "he doesn't win faceoffs" just makes you look dumb.


Also, you need to get more recent data....remember - the faceoff rules changed a few years ago (team in defensive zone has to have their stick down first, etc.), so you cant really cite the source data you showed above as relevant to current day situations.


And yet the counterargument is an anecdotal Messier quote from 25 years ago...

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Posted 2017-05-24 1:42 PM (#676312 - in reply to #671261)
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UMMM the quote from Messier about Face-offs was during the 2010 playoffs. He was talking about the flyers PP and PK that year and said it all starts with the face-off. I'll refer to him on this subject over you and your stats from 6 years ago..

I also never said I want stepan gone because he loses face-offs, thats just part of his problem. The main point is he is not worth 6.5 for 4 more years.

If you were talking about me....

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Posted 2017-05-25 2:15 PM (#676319 - in reply to #676312)
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Rangerjunkie - 2017-05-24 2:42 PM

UMMM the quote from Messier about Face-offs was during the 2010 playoffs. He was talking about the flyers PP and PK that year and said it all starts with the face-off. I'll refer to him on this subject over you and your stats from 6 years ago..

I also never said I want stepan gone because he loses face-offs, thats just part of his problem. The main point is he is not worth 6.5 for 4 more years.

If you were talking about me....


Point is you have no evidence to point to faceoffs being this vital stat, because they aren't.

Fine then, why is he not worth $6.5m for 4 more years? I think you need to readjust your expectations to the market reality. Here are the 5 centers who make more than Stepan's cap hit, and the 5 that make under his cap hit:

Kesler, age 32, 58 points, $6.875m
Bergeron, age 31, 53 Points, $6.875m
Thornton, age 37, 50 points, $6.750m
Koivu, age 34, 58 points, $6.750m
Backstrom, age 29, 86 points, $6.7m

(Stepan, age 26, 55 points, $6.5m)

Monahan, age 22, 58 points, $6.375m
MacKinnon, age 21, 53 points, $6.3m
Scheifele, age 24, 82 points, $6.125m
Nugent Hopkins, age 24, 43 points, $6m
Backes, age 33, 38 points, $6


Backstrom and Scheifele are obviously the outliers there, and their teams are reaping the benefits. But scoring 80+ points at this price point is, as this list proves, not the norm. In fact the only other 80+ point center in the league was Crosby at $8.7m.

You can't look at that list of 11 players and say that Stepan's being paid above market rate. In fact based purely on point production and age, he's a bargain.

So you believe he's not worth $6.5 million... why exactly? Convince me.


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Posted 2017-05-25 2:45 PM (#676320 - in reply to #676319)
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Stepan cant skate, cant win face offs, cant stop trying to make a pass on the PP from the side boards thru a defender where it always gets blocked. Stepan has to go.
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Posted 2017-05-25 4:56 PM (#676321 - in reply to #671261)
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Well we'll see how great a bargain he is by the amount of teams beating down the Rangers door to try and trade for him..I don't see that happening, but I could be wrong..I've been wrong before.

But I believe all of our centers have more trade value than he does. Zib, Hayes, Lindberg, and even Miller all have more talent and potential than him. I know he's 26 but he looks mid 30's.

He is not a first line center. In your list of centers, how many are #1 guys?
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Posted 2017-05-25 5:02 PM (#676322 - in reply to #676321)
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The Old good NHL...count the guys who still dont wear helmets. The New NHL...count the guys who still dont wear a face shield... sissyville
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Posted 2017-05-25 5:20 PM (#676323 - in reply to #671261)
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There are 26 centers who had more points than stepan this year. Out of these 26, 12 played less games than stepan and 13 had less ice time.

He isn't even in the top 50 centers in goals scored, and ranks 20th in assists..

Too bad +/- is a USELESS stat because he ranks #5 there!

Still think he's a bargain???

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Posted 2017-05-25 8:04 PM (#676339 - in reply to #671261)
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I also never said face-offs were a vital stat! Messier just said they were vital to a good PP and PK
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Posted 2017-05-31 5:31 AM (#676371 - in reply to #671261)
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As an aside relative to the expansion draft, anybody notice how many players going on LTI ? Anaheim has more defense men than they can protect, so Vatanan has surgery and will miss opening of the season. Brassard and Dubinsky yesterday. There are probably others. Any Rangers?
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Posted 2017-05-31 6:56 AM (#676372 - in reply to #676371)
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NTHockey - 2017-05-31 6:31 AM

As an aside relative to the expansion draft, anybody notice how many players going on LTI ? Anaheim has more defense men than they can protect, so Vatanan has surgery and will miss opening of the season. Brassard and Dubinsky yesterday. There are probably others. Any Rangers?


They don't play hard enough to be injured
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Posted 2017-05-31 2:45 PM (#676377 - in reply to #676372)
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NTHockey - 2017-05-31 6:31 AM

As an aside relative to the expansion draft, anybody notice how many players going on LTI ? Anaheim has more defense men than they can protect, so Vatanan has surgery and will miss opening of the season. Brassard and Dubinsky yesterday. There are probably others. Any Rangers?


They don't play hard enough to be injured


Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.
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concust - 2017-05-31 8:56 AM

NTHockey - 2017-05-31 6:31 AM

As an aside relative to the expansion draft, anybody notice how many players going on LTI ? Anaheim has more defense men than they can protect, so Vatanan has surgery and will miss opening of the season. Brassard and Dubinsky yesterday. There are probably others. Any Rangers?


They don't play hard enough to be injured


Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-06-08 3:53 PM (#676449 - in reply to #676285)
Subject: Re: Expansion Draft Protection List


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concust - 2017-05-22 10:03 AM

Here we go with the faceoffs again... probably as useless as a stat as plus minus.


If you think that you should stop watching hockey, have your balls cut off also. I can't tell you how many big games Stepan has cost us with his incompetent faceoff losses. If your comment wasn't dumb enough. You then go faceoffs aren't useless but the stat is. He asswipe. The stat is all about winning faceoffs.

Edited by itsmcilrathtime 2017-06-08 3:55 PM
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RANGERNUT
Posted 2017-06-09 12:08 PM (#676458 - in reply to #671261)
Subject: Re: Expansion Draft Protection List



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Details about the period leading up to the expansion draft for the Rangers

12:54PM 6/9/17

This Monday (6/12) at 5PM is the deadline for teams to request that a player waive his no-move clause in order to expose them for the expansion draft.
•As of last weekend the Rangers had not yet asked Dan Girardi or Marc Staal about potentially waiving their no-move to be exposed.

The first buyout period begins on 6/15 and is also the "Deadline for Clubs to ask Players with "No Move" clauses whether they want to be placed on Waivers for purposes of Buy-Outs prior to Expansion Draft."

On 6/17 at 3PM there is a trade freeze that lasts until 6/22/17 at 8AM, which is the morning following the expansion draft.

Teams will have to submit their protected player lists by 5PM on 6/17 and starting at 10AM on 6/18 Vegas will have the opportunity to sign pending UFAs or RFAs that were not protected.

Regarding that period, from the NHL, "The Expansion Club is permitted to sign a current or pending Free Agent on a Current Club's list of Available Players during the period between 10:01 a.m. ET on Sunday, June 18, and 9:59 a.m. ET on Wednesday, June 21, and in so doing will be deemed to have made its Expansion Draft selection from such Current Club. If the Expansion Club signs a Restricted Free Agent from the Available List of a Current Club during said period, the Current Club will not be entitled to any compensation from the Expansion Club."

Potential Rangers that could be signed by Vegas during that period likely will include Brandon Pirri, Matt Puempel, Jesper Fast, Tanner Glass, Oscar Lindberg, Adam Clendening or Brendan Smith.

Adam Rotter: We should start to get some clarity on where the Rangers are going with some of their moves, at least related to expansion, next week and certainly when the Cup Final ends. It will be an interesting time and while so much time has been spent on the expansion draft, the Rangers are either going to lose their backup goalie or a bottom six forward. They don't have the issues that other teams like Minnesota or Anaheim have regarding potentially losing key players. Antti Raanta is important and the Rangers would like to keep him but they could surely find a new back up goalie. You don't want to lose any of Grabner, with his speed, Fast with his work ethic or Lindberg with his two-way game and while the Rangers miss any one of those players, none are in the Rangers top six. Brendan Smith is an interesting person for Vegas as a UFA and if they were to sign him during that open period then he would be the one player the Rangers would lose. The buyout window runs until the June 30 so the Rangers can see how things develop before they make a decision on buyouts for Staal and/or Girardi.

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