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robstones
Posted 2017-05-11 9:18 PM (#676053)
Subject: New York Rangers pick 21st overall (2017 draft)



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Our first 1st round pick since Brady Skjei in 2012

There is a lot of talent in this draft, just no "generational" player....

At 21st and The Rangers need at every position in their prospect pool, they will be in a "best available" situation at the truest sense.

And they need to make it count because as of now, they don't pick till the 4th round after their 21st pick, theu wait till 102.....

Edited by robstones 2017-05-29 3:12 PM
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Posted 2017-05-11 9:23 PM (#676054 - in reply to #676053)
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If Mclrath is there...dont take him this time
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Posted 2017-05-11 10:26 PM (#676055 - in reply to #676053)
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I hear great things about this Hugh Jessimen guy



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Posted 2017-05-12 2:49 AM (#676061 - in reply to #676053)
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Jessiman????? Are you serious? He can't beat Montoya!!!
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Posted 2017-05-12 1:45 PM (#676103 - in reply to #676053)
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Well...I was moderately excited about a 1st round pick, but now...at least we don't have Don Maloney gushing over those "intangibles" of a 1st rounder
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Posted 2017-05-13 6:04 AM (#676120 - in reply to #676053)
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I would seriously consider trading down a couple times especially in a draft like this.

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Posted 2017-05-24 3:42 PM (#676315 - in reply to #676053)
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Absolutely don't trade the pick. We need some first round, forward picks. This guy projected at 25 fits the bill.

Shane Bowers's Player Profile 6'1, 170

Jeff Marek of Sportsnet - Mar. 8th: "Doesn’t have one thing that stands out about his game, but is good at a number of things. Plays the full rink and brings a strong work ethic to every game."

ISS Hockey - Feb. 23rd: "Crafty offensive player, slick passer, slick offensive instincts. Playmaker, excellent vision"

Kevin Wickersham - Feb. 10th: "In his short time with Waterloo, he has proven to be a hardworking player who excels in all zones and uses explosive bursts of speed to create distance from opposing defenders. Willing to play tough in the corners and elsewhere, it takes a lot to knock him off the puck. He shows impressive hockey smarts and a gritty defensive game that accents his effective all-around play."

Jeff Marek of Sportsnet - October 4th: "As one scout told me: "There’s nothing fancy, but there’s a lot to like." Bowers plays a 200-foot game and is good on draws. A north-south player who isn’t shy out there."
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robstones
Posted 2017-05-29 3:38 PM (#676361 - in reply to #676053)
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Nicolas Hague is Sean Day's teammate/ sometimes defensive partner, and is projected to go somewhere around 21st. Also seen Adam Foote's kid Callan projected to go to us. Both big guys. Hague is bigger and has more offense so far, but Foote is a righty. Foote seems the safe pick on D as Hague also comes with some off rink baggage

I've seen a mock draft project power forwards Klim Kostin and Isaac Ratcliffe falling to us at 21, too. Kostin is a Russian kid who sounds like he would be drafted higher had he not gotten injured this past January... could be a nice compliment for Buchnevich... Ratcliffe is a bigger Canadian kid.

Shane Bowers, Ryan Poehling, and Kole Lind seem to be the best possible availbe centers, but I saw a mock draft with The Rangers taking Robert Thomas.... a 5'10" center?.... On the surface I pass...

That said we probably won't get any of those guys....



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concust
Posted 2017-05-31 7:02 AM (#676373 - in reply to #676053)
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There are plenty of options available at 21, and most of those options are going to be available in the second round. Smarter to traded down in a draft like this where there is little consensus, and take your chances with two seconds instead of one first.

The fact that dump disagrees only cements my opinion.

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Posted 2017-05-31 1:56 PM (#676376 - in reply to #676053)
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If you can turn the 21st pick in to two 2nd round picks, sure... that's probably not gonna happen, though. You take the best available player at 21, and move on. This Klim Kostin could be a top 10 pick, but will likely fall to later because of the injury.

If he's available, it's a no brainer
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Posted 2017-06-01 6:39 AM (#676382 - in reply to #676376)
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robstones - 2017-05-31 2:56 PM

If you can turn the 21st pick in to two 2nd round picks, sure... that's probably not gonna happen, though.



That's historically what you can get for a 21 overall. It's also not uncommon to trade down a few spots and pick up a later first round pick, plus a second, or a third, depending on how hot the other team is to get their guy, and how many mid-round picks they have.

Last year Toronto traded 24 overall for 29th overall (late first) and 61st overall (late second).

Tampa traded 28th overall (late first) for 33 (high second) and 72 (mid third).

Toronto also traded 29 overall (late first) for 34 (high second) and 68 (mid third).

So yes at 21 I would expect you could either trade down a few spots and pick up an extra pick in the third round, or, get two seconds, as evidenced by that first Toronto trade I cited. Of course it's going to depend on who's available and what the market is, but historically that is the value of a 21 overall.

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Posted 2017-06-01 12:42 PM (#676387 - in reply to #676053)
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Then yeah I'm for that.

This organization is good at turning picks in to NHLers. Has been for years. Callahan, Duninsky, Stepan, Anisimov

I don't know enough about the potential 21st pick,but in Gordie I trust... maybe they're really high on somebody at the 21 spot.... if not, then yeah I'd take a two for one deal. Gordie would walk away with 2 steals with 2 second rounders for sure
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Posted 2017-06-02 7:11 AM (#676390 - in reply to #676387)
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robstones - 2017-06-01 1:42 PM

Then yeah I'm for that.

This organization is good at turning picks in to NHLers. Has been for years. Callahan, Duninsky, Stepan, Anisimov

I don't know enough about the potential 21st pick,but in Gordie I trust... maybe they're really high on somebody at the 21 spot.... if not, then yeah I'd take a two for one deal. Gordie would walk away with 2 steals with 2 second rounders for sure


Clark's track record plays into my opinion for sure. So does the organization's track record for first rounders, although many of those mistakes are getting older and older, and our only recent examples are good ones (Miller, Skjei)

As does the fact that we have no second and third this year and in a "weak draft" I lean more towards quantity and playing the numbers game.

OTOH if there's a guy that's fallen at 21, that they're still high on, by all means grab him. Not against using the pick or trading up even, just depends on the first 20 picks.
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Posted 2017-06-02 8:08 AM (#676391 - in reply to #676053)
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From my understanding this is only considered a weak draft because there's no McDavid or Crosby franchaise "generational" player.

It sounds like there is pretty good quantity of potential NHLers, though, yeah. If you can get the 2 for 1 deal seems like a no brainer.

This and the expansion draft should be interesting days. It's obvious changes need to be made, so I expect big changes. I also expect a Cup contending team, again
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Posted 2017-06-02 2:13 PM (#676394 - in reply to #676053)
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robstones - 2017-06-02 9:08 AM

From my understanding this is only considered a weak draft because there's no McDavid or Crosby franchaise "generational" player.

It sounds like there is pretty good quantity of potential NHLers, though, yeah. If you can get the 2 for 1 deal seems like a no brainer.

This and the expansion draft should be interesting days. It's obvious changes need to be made, so I expect big changes. I also expect a Cup contending team, again


Yes "weak draft" is a bit of a misnomer that's often misinterpreted. It basically means that the high end isn't as high. (i.e. McDavid, Crosby, etc).

They've done studies and whether it's a "weak draft" or a "strong draft" most years tend to produce the same number of NHL games played (with a normal variance of course). There are a couple of outliers but they throw out these terms like weak draft or strong draft every year. Drafts like 2003 are very rare.
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Posted 2017-06-02 3:53 PM (#676396 - in reply to #676053)
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Not at NHL combine, but hearing NYR meeting with F Nick Suzuki and D Cale Makar tomorrow. Lots of teams interested as well. Part of process

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Posted 2017-06-05 11:19 AM (#676411 - in reply to #676053)
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Highly doubt either one of those guys falls to 21 but there's always a chance, or if they decide to trade up.

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