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Rranger
Posted 2017-06-18 4:44 PM (#676676 - in reply to #676675)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-06-18 3:26 PM

Rranger. You're clearly a dumb ****. They control nothing if the player doesn't want to sign. If they choose not to sign, the team basically selected somebody who is worthless to them. Get a clue dumbass NHL players don't have to play for teams they don't want to. Haven't you been watching this league the past 20 years you moron.






Your poor parents answering all those "why is he so dumb questions? " Try to follow along genius. If Vegas drafts a RFA they will own their rights. Like Lindbergh and Fast. Vegas drafts, one of them, another team signs him and Vegas gets the compensation. If you don't understand that maybe, you should go play with your dolls and forget about it.

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Posted 2017-06-19 3:25 AM (#676693 - in reply to #676675)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-06-18 5:26 PM

Rranger. You're clearly a dumb ****. They control nothing if the player doesn't want to sign. If they choose not to sign, the team basically selected somebody who is worthless to them. Get a clue dumbass NHL players don't have to play for teams they don't want to. Haven't you been watching this league the past 20 years you moron.


No bottom 6 player is going to have any sort of leverage in an RFA holdout. It doesn't happen. They don't sign, they don't play. So they eventually take whatever the team is offering them. Otherwise they're torpedoing their own career.

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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2017-06-19 6:47 AM (#676696 - in reply to #676616)
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That isn't the European thinking. They are perfectly happy playing back home. They can get paid quite well there.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-06-19 8:10 AM (#676705 - in reply to #676616)
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They make a lot MORE money playing in the NHL. It's why they come over here. It's why they would sign in Vegas if drafted.
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Posted 2017-06-19 10:09 AM (#676711 - in reply to #676705)
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Rranger - 2017-06-19 10:10 AM

They make a lot MORE money playing in the NHL. It's why they come over here. It's why they would sign in Vegas if drafted.


Don't fall for the bait in trying to have an intelligent discussion with dump.....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-06-19 10:23 AM (#676718 - in reply to #676711)
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Mandar - 2017-06-19 10:09 AM

Rranger - 2017-06-19 10:10 AM

They make a lot MORE money playing in the NHL. It's why they come over here. It's why they would sign in Vegas if drafted.


Don't fall for the bait in trying to have an intelligent discussion with dump.....

Thats the infamous Dump? lol
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Rranger
Posted 2017-06-19 10:28 AM (#676723 - in reply to #676711)
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Mandar - 2017-06-19 9:09 AM

Rranger - 2017-06-19 10:10 AM

They make a lot MORE money playing in the NHL. It's why they come over here. It's why they would sign in Vegas if drafted.


Don't fall for the bait in trying to have an intelligent discussion with dump.....




Pretty much any level of discussion is a mistake. Lol.
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RANGERNUT
Posted 2017-06-19 11:07 AM (#676725 - in reply to #676616)
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How Derek Stepan dangle could evolve into Rangers blockbuster
By Larry Brooks June 19, 2017
1. Derek Stepan has considerable value on the trade market, but unless the Rangers are able to parlay moving him into a no-doubt, first-pair right defenseman, Stepan’s greatest value is on the ice wearing a Blueshirt in 2017-18.

It does not appear the Blueshirts currently have the piece(s) to land Winnipeg’s high-end Jacob Trouba. But, for instance, if the Coyotes are willing to deal one of their stable of highly regarded young forwards that includes Clayton Keller, Dylan Strome, Christian Dvorak and Max Domi in a deal for Stepan, the Rangers could then flip that piece to the Jets for Trouba.

If Carolina is willing to talk Justin Faulk, then by all means, because again, even as Stepan has been an extremely important player for a very, very good Rangers team, he does seem to be the one chip they have to play in their attempt to get a top defenseman.

Trading Stepan for another center — even a younger, less expensive one with more potential offensive upside — makes little sense, for that would leave the Rangers with the same crying need on Ryan McDonagh’s right they have had since erstwhile partner Dan Girardi’s game started to slide.
?Modal TriggerCarolina Hurricanes defenseman Justin FaulkNHLI via Getty Images
And swapping Stepan for Arizona’s estimable lefty defenseman Oliver Ekman-Larsson doesn’t do the trick, either, for that would leave the Rangers with McDonagh, Ekman-Larsson, Brady Skjei and Marc Staal on that side.

Could Skjei move to the right? Well, it would have been nice to find that out last season, wouldn’t it, but for whatever reason coach Alain Vigneault chose to use Skjei on his off-side for only six games (plus one period).

Unless, that is, general manager Jeff Gorton is preparing to concurrently move McDonagh in, say, a blockbuster to Colorado in exchange for Nathan MacKinnon. But there has been no evidence that is currently under consideration.

Wild one that is pure conjecture: McDonagh and Stepan for MacKinnon and Tyson Barrie.

2. Now, if the Rangers do move Stepan for a defenseman, the Rangers could address the vacancy at center by adding a stopgap free agent. Or they could move J.T. Miller back to his original position in the middle, leave him there, and live with the consequences of Miller’s continued evolution.

Honestly, whether Miller remains on the wing or shifts by necessity to center, it is past time for the repeated in-game and game-to-game demotions. We ultimately saw how that worked out for everyone at the end of last year, didn’t we?

3. There is no reason to expect the Rangers to fill the right-side hole by signing 28-year-old impending free agent Kevin Shattenkirk to the six- or seven-year deal at between $6.25-6.75 million he likely can command on the market.

Were Shattenkirk willing to take a higher AAV for a dramatically reduced term of two or three years, then quite possibly, but why on earth would the Capitals rental leave millions on the table to play Broadway?

4. It is impossible to project whom the Rangers will lose to Vegas in the expansion draft while Golden Knights general manager George McPhee spends the next three days conducting an auction on all the players on the exposed list.

So it is not necessarily which of Antti Raanta, Oscar Lindberg, Jesper Fast or Michael Grabner would fit best in Vegas, it is the return Vegas can get in an immediate trade for the claimed player that will determine the selection.

Maybe McPhee takes Raanta and flips him to, say, the Flyers or Coyotes for a third-rounder. (Could the Rangers have made a similar deal last week? Probably, but then they’d have lost a second player to Vegas.)

Raanta has been very valuable for the Rangers, but he has only one more year on his contract and is just as likely to be dealt as not by the Blueshirts if he goes unclaimed, perhaps as part of a package to Arizona. There are, after all, a surfeit of backup goaltenders who will become available on July 1.

I believe the most damage to the 2017-18 Blueshirts would be done by losing Grabner, whose disruptive speed is a constant weapon, even if his finishing touch tends to come and go (but stayed around long enough for him to score 27 goals while getting a grand total of 6:03 of power play time, or 1:02 less than Nicklas Jensen).


http://nypost.com/2017/06/19/how-derek-stepan-dangle-could-evolve-i...



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robstones
Posted 2017-06-19 11:21 AM (#676726 - in reply to #676616)
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Protecting Raanta is all about what would you be willing to trade to get him if you never had him....

If we didn't have a backup, who could we get in free agency? If the replacement is significantly less skilled, then giving up a pick for next years' draft might not be a bad idea....

But how high of a pick? Is Raanta worth a 1st rounder??
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NTHockey
Posted 2017-06-19 11:53 AM (#676727 - in reply to #676616)
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Button and Seravalli at TSN.ca both project that LV will take Grabner.
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Posted 2017-06-19 1:26 PM (#676728 - in reply to #676726)
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robstones - 2017-06-19 12:21 PM

Protecting Raanta is all about what would you be willing to trade to get him if you never had him....

If we didn't have a backup, who could we get in free agency? If the replacement is significantly less skilled, then giving up a pick for next years' draft might not be a bad idea....

But how high of a pick? Is Raanta worth a 1st rounder??


No way. I love Raanta but no backup goalie is worth a first round pick. While I dislike the idea of losing Raanta, this year especially, will make it easy to replace him. I don't think they end up taking Raanta though, I think they end up taking Fleury and Pickard and someone young as a #3.

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Posted 2017-06-19 1:30 PM (#676729 - in reply to #676727)
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NTHockey - 2017-06-19 12:53 PM

Button and Seravalli at TSN.ca both project that LV will take Grabner.


This would probably do the most short term damage to the Rangers but the least long term damage. He'll be 30, and will be an UFA after next season. I'm sure he has a few years left in his legs but his output is only going to decline at this point.

The guy I least want them to take, is Lindberg. No big deal if they take Fast, he's a good player but he's replaceable.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-06-19 1:32 PM (#676730 - in reply to #676726)
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robstones - 2017-06-19 10:21 AM

Protecting Raanta is all about what would you be willing to trade to get him if you never had him....

If we didn't have a backup, who could we get in free agency? If the replacement is significantly less skilled, then giving up a pick for next years' draft might not be a bad idea....

But how high of a pick? Is Raanta worth a 1st rounder??




Rangers are operating under the theory none of the players available to Vegas are irreplaceable unless Gorton has done something otherwise, and no one will know til draft day. Would you send a first to save any of the available Rangers? Not me.
Right now Gorton's shopping list is small, replace Girardi who has been the number 1 right defenseman, sign Smith if that's their guy, and replace one of Fast, Lindbergh, Grabner or Raanta. And possibly add Smith to the Vegas expansion pick as lost, if Vegas or another team signs Smith.
One would think a new right defenseman is going to be better than Girardi, and replacing a player lost to Vegas is hardly a hurdle. So there shouldn't be any backwards steps performance wise.
The Rangers are in excellent shape going into this. None of those players are irreplaceable including Smith. Plenty of players are going to be flying around, during that draft and they need to save assets for that. Their first round pick is far better invested in one of the unprotected players Vegas could draft and then flip to the Rangers. Any player they could lose to Vegas could also be replaced after July 1. Rangers have a opportunity to land the defenseman they need during this draft, the first would go along ways towards that.

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Posted 2017-06-19 2:00 PM (#676731 - in reply to #676693)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2017-06-18 5:26 PM

Rranger. You're clearly a dumb ****. They control nothing if the player doesn't want to sign. If they choose not to sign, the team basically selected somebody who is worthless to them. Get a clue dumbass NHL players don't have to play for teams they don't want to. Haven't you been watching this league the past 20 years you moron.


No bottom 6 player is going to have any sort of leverage in an RFA holdout. It doesn't happen. They don't sign, they don't play. So they eventually take whatever the team is offering them. Otherwise they're torpedoing their own career.



Are you sure? Stepan who IS a bottom 6 player got 6.5 from the Rangers!! Maybe they don't understand what you're saying about leverage, because I absolutely agree with you!
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Posted 2017-06-19 2:07 PM (#676733 - in reply to #676729)
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NTHockey - 2017-06-19 12:53 PM

Button and Seravalli at TSN.ca both project that LV will take Grabner.


This would probably do the most short term damage to the Rangers but the least long term damage. He'll be 30, and will be an UFA after next season. I'm sure he has a few years left in his legs but his output is only going to decline at this point.

The guy I least want them to take, is Lindberg. No big deal if they take Fast, he's a good player but he's replaceable.


Agreed!! Do not want to lose Lindberg!
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concust
Posted 2017-06-19 2:27 PM (#676735 - in reply to #676730)
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Rranger - 2017-06-19 2:32 PM
Their first round pick is far better invested in one of the unprotected players Vegas could draft and then flip to the Rangers. Any player they could lose to Vegas could also be replaced after July 1. Rangers have a opportunity to land the defenseman they need during this draft, the first would go along ways towards that.


Or, they have their eyes on Shattenkirk, but they could also pick up a "bargain" via VGK. For example VGK could draft Matt Dumba from Minnesota and flip him to the Rangers for the first. That could make our top 4, McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Skjei, Dumba, and Staal Holden as the bottom pair.

Then see if you could flip Raanta to Arizona for their second round pick (high second, #35) to help recoup the loss of the pick.

Who knows what will happen but there are a lot of ways this can play out.

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Posted 2017-06-19 3:05 PM (#676736 - in reply to #676735)
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concust - 2017-06-19 1:27 PM

Rranger - 2017-06-19 2:32 PM
Their first round pick is far better invested in one of the unprotected players Vegas could draft and then flip to the Rangers. Any player they could lose to Vegas could also be replaced after July 1. Rangers have a opportunity to land the defenseman they need during this draft, the first would go along ways towards that.


Or, they have their eyes on Shattenkirk, but they could also pick up a "bargain" via VGK. For example VGK could draft Matt Dumba from Minnesota and flip him to the Rangers for the first. That could make our top 4, McDonagh, Shattenkirk, Skjei, Dumba, and Staal Holden as the bottom pair.

Then see if you could flip Raanta to Arizona for their second round pick (high second, #35) to help recoup the loss of the pick.

Who knows what will happen but there are a lot of ways this can play out.




There will be a lot of possibilities that don't have to include Shattenkirk and his price tag.
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