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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-07-02 8:24 AM (#677467 - in reply to #677296)
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-07-02 8:25 AM (#677468 - in reply to #677296)
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Well, it is not really straight up with Step, if looking @ it that way, also draft picks that hopefully will end up good player or player(s) in some way.
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Posted 2017-07-02 8:27 AM (#677469 - in reply to #677296)
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NHL better nip this in the bud....TJ Oshie type contracts are bad for the teams in the long run...Staal, Girardi, Henrik...all terrible contracts. The Oil is ready to give Connor MacDavid the World...and he deserves it...BUT what if gets Dipietroed? with an injury? 3 yr contracts...You like the guy... he produces.. you can sign him again....He runs out of gas... you are not on the hook anymore
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Posted 2017-07-02 9:19 AM (#677470 - in reply to #677296)
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You want to know a team that will take a clear step back next season...the Caps. They will still be good, but not near a Pres trophy team again. These past two seasons were their big window. They still have some good players of course, and will be a tough playoff team, but they lost a lot. Step backwards for them I think.

Right now the Pens, BJ's and TB are the best teams in the East. If we add a good solid forward I think we can be in the conversation, and worst case I think can slot in right behind those teams. Then come playoff time we'll be in it with a shot as is always the case in the NHL playoffs.


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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-07-02 10:10 AM (#677473 - in reply to #677296)
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Posted 2017-07-02 10:13 AM (#677474 - in reply to #677469)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 8:27 AM

NHL better nip this in the bud....TJ Oshie type contracts are bad for the teams in the long run...Staal, Girardi, Henrik...all terrible contracts. The Oil is ready to give Connor MacDavid the World...and he deserves it...BUT what if gets Dipietroed? with an injury? 3 yr contracts...You like the guy... he produces.. you can sign him again....He runs out of gas... you are not on the hook anymore


Standup to the players union,so far they are getting whatever they want, when they want.
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Posted 2017-07-02 10:27 AM (#677475 - in reply to #677296)
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Boy, I see it the total opposite way. The owners own the NHLPA (no pun intended). The cap in the NHL is a complete joke. Forget it helping small market teams compete with the big market teams, the NHL cap is so restrictive all it does is force teams to break apart every 2 or 3 seasons tops. You cannot resign your guys. You better win in your window or forget it. The cap barely goes up because Bettman and the owners have not grown the game at all. It's a complete farce, and the NHLPA gets dominated by the owners every CBA discussion.

The totally over the top, low and restrictive cap has absolutely hurt the league. I hope the players take more of a stand in 3 years when the current deal is up.


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Vua
Posted 2017-07-02 10:53 AM (#677476 - in reply to #677296)
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And yet the MLBPA which everyone considers the strongest gets their players the least amount of the revenue. MLB players only get around 38% of the revenue while every other league is around 50%. The NHL's issue is how much revenue it generates, not how it divides it.
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Shattenkirk NYR
Posted 2017-07-02 11:03 AM (#677477 - in reply to #677296)
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I don't disagree with that, cannot get blood from a stone. As I said Bettman and the owners have not grown the game. Also when the pie is bigger, as with the NBA/NFL/MLB, the players get bigger deals and more money. So yeah that is an issue.

BUT even with that being said the NHL cap rules are a joke, and pretty much designed to stop teams from being together for more than 2 or 3 years. The cap is way too restrictive. You should be allowed to sign someone over the cap (like Bird rules in the NBA). Or maybe have some mid-level exceptions so you can actually grow a team. Not saying a soft cap like the NBA, but my lord put some flexibility in there. If teams go over for exceptions or to sign one player on Birds rights, put a tax in that can then be divided amongst the teams to help raise the cap.

Be creative man. There is none of that in the NHL though. Rock hard low restrictive cap...period end of story. It is hurting the game I think, and it shows because there is simply zero growth right now as you see by the cap really not rising. The NHLPA needs to have balls next time and hold firm for a little less restrictive cap. Not a different % divide of the money, but some less restrictive rules. Then maybe the game can actually grow instead of the stagnant BS we have seen for a few years now. Fans cannot truly identify with their team because it's 2 or 3 years and a new team. Rinse and repeat.





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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-02 11:50 AM (#677478 - in reply to #677296)
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Vua
Posted 2017-07-02 12:19 PM (#677479 - in reply to #677477)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-02 11:03 AM

I don't disagree with that, cannot get blood from a stone. As I said Bettman and the owners have not grown the game. Also when the pie is bigger, as with the NBA/NFL/MLB, the players get bigger deals and more money. So yeah that is an issue.

BUT even with that being said the NHL cap rules are a joke, and pretty much designed to stop teams from being together for more than 2 or 3 years. The cap is way too restrictive. You should be allowed to sign someone over the cap (like Bird rules in the NBA). Or maybe have some mid-level exceptions so you can actually grow a team. Not saying a soft cap like the NBA, but my lord put some flexibility in there. If teams go over for exceptions or to sign one player on Birds rights, put a tax in that can then be divided amongst the teams to help raise the cap.

Be creative man. There is none of that in the NHL though. Rock hard low restrictive cap...period end of story. It is hurting the game I think, and it shows because there is simply zero growth right now as you see by the cap really not rising. The NHLPA needs to have balls next time and hold firm for a little less restrictive cap. Not a different % divide of the money, but some less restrictive rules. Then maybe the game can actually grow instead of the stagnant BS we have seen for a few years now. Fans cannot truly identify with their team because it's 2 or 3 years and a new team. Rinse and repeat.





I do agree there should be a way to spend at least a bit over the cap. Big market teams shouldn't be punished because they are big market teams. They bring in the most revenue and yet they are punished the most for doing it. I've always felt a luxury tax that got split among the lower market teams was the best way to allow you to go over the cap.
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Posted 2017-07-02 1:12 PM (#677480 - in reply to #677296)
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The NHL is the only league that's attempted to force parity on all it's members....that's just not the way sports operate....but you'd never convince Gary & The Girly-Men of that.
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Posted 2017-07-02 3:02 PM (#677484 - in reply to #677296)
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Agree 100% Vua. And I'm not even saying be the NBA where it is an ultra soft cap. I am saying put a couple of carrots in there to have some flexibility. Like one or two players you can use bird rights on to go over the cap. Every other year you get a 3 mill exception to sign someone over the cap. Put in a tax threshold that is not too much over the cap, and then if teams go over the threshold the tax money goes towards the cap for next season and it can actually go up.

Absolutely the NHL punishes the big market revenue generating teams. It is sad and pathetic and no doubt is hurting the league, proof is in the poor growth. But this is what the dictator Bettman demands, so let it be done.

NHLPA get balls please.





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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2017-07-03 10:19 AM (#677524 - in reply to #677296)
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Posted 2017-07-03 12:06 PM (#677529 - in reply to #677296)
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Posted 2017-07-05 6:40 AM (#677617 - in reply to #677469)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-02 8:27 AM

NHL better nip this in the bud....TJ Oshie type contracts are bad for the teams in the long run...Staal, Girardi, Henrik...all terrible contracts. The Oil is ready to give Connor MacDavid the World...and he deserves it...BUT what if gets Dipietroed? with an injury? 3 yr contracts...You like the guy... he produces.. you can sign him again....He runs out of gas... you are not on the hook anymore


Thats the difference between the NFL and every other league. This is the risk you run signing guys. The NHL could and should have some kind of injury buyout for that kind of situation but I've always been an advocate for either reducing the % cap hit for resigning your own drafted players or even designating one guy cap exempt. Still have to satisfy all the other parameters of the CBA (8 yr / 7 yr max, would be 20% of cap etc) but you could mark McDavid, Hank, Ovi, Crosby, Kane....corner stone pillars of your franchise as exempt from the cap.

The owners would probably like it as the cap wouldn't have to increase every year because teams can exempt their priciest guy and the players would like it because it would introduce a little extra cash to the higher end player to drive salary.

As for this deal, I was 100% opposed to bringing Shattenkirk here. I thought his play, especially during the playoffs was uninspiring in his own zone and his skating isn't great as a non 30 year old. For a team built on speed and quick transitions I thought he would get old quick but on a 4 year deal? Its kind of hard to argue that. Once we get to that mark of s**t, we signed him for way too long he will be either in year 3 or 4. That I can live with. Rather see a guy go too soon than hang on too late. Thats how you end up with 3 million in dead cap space!
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Posted 2017-07-09 6:35 PM (#677790 - in reply to #677296)
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Posted 2017-07-10 8:54 AM (#677791 - in reply to #677790)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-07-09 7:35 PM

A fun read: http://nypost.com/2017/07/08/mark-messier-in-our-living-room-shatte...


Really intriguing decision by Shattenkirk, not only to make the decision and leave millions on the table, but to be so public and open about it.

I'm sure similar situations have happened in the past, guys taking less money to play where they want to play, whether it's a hometown discount (or conversely, declining a larger offer from somewhere they don't want to play) or a discount because your team is close to winning a championship, but never at this magnitude. If reports are to be believed he's turned down 7x$7m offers, leaving $23m on the table. Even a more conservative 6x$6.5 is a $39m contract. That's absolutely incredible that he signed here for a 4 year term.

Strategically it's a huge risk for him obviously, as he will likely be looking for another contract in 4 years and will be on the wrong side of 30. No doubt he won't be the defenseman he is now, so that only reduces his earning potential for his next contract further. Nevermind the risk of injury.

I guess the difference between having $25m and $50m isn't really all that different day to day. You can buy pretty much anything you want, you know your kids will be financially secure, you know your grandkids will be financially secure. (As long as you stay away from Jack Johnson's parents) So if you look at it that way, being able to live out a dream is worth the money. Either way he retires in 7 or 8 years, richer than 99% of Americans and Canadians. Why not have the memories?

He hasn't played a minute, he hasn't even worn the jersey for a photo op, but already I appreciate what he's done. I don't expect him to the be the savior, I don't expect him to single handedly fix the PP, but when your first act as a NYR is making a sacrifice for the good of the team you're ok in my book.




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Posted 2017-07-10 11:50 AM (#677794 - in reply to #677791)
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concust - 2017-07-10 10:54 AM

LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-07-09 7:35 PM

A fun read: http://nypost.com/2017/07/08/mark-messier-in-our-living-room-shatte...


Really intriguing decision by Shattenkirk, not only to make the decision and leave millions on the table, but to be so public and open about it.

I'm sure similar situations have happened in the past, guys taking less money to play where they want to play, whether it's a hometown discount (or conversely, declining a larger offer from somewhere they don't want to play) or a discount because your team is close to winning a championship, but never at this magnitude. If reports are to be believed he's turned down 7x$7m offers, leaving $23m on the table. Even a more conservative 6x$6.5 is a $39m contract. That's absolutely incredible that he signed here for a 4 year term.

Strategically it's a huge risk for him obviously, as he will likely be looking for another contract in 4 years and will be on the wrong side of 30. No doubt he won't be the defenseman he is now, so that only reduces his earning potential for his next contract further. Nevermind the risk of injury.

I guess the difference between having $25m and $50m isn't really all that different day to day. You can buy pretty much anything you want, you know your kids will be financially secure, you know your grandkids will be financially secure. (As long as you stay away from Jack Johnson's parents) So if you look at it that way, being able to live out a dream is worth the money. Either way he retires in 7 or 8 years, richer than 99% of Americans and Canadians. Why not have the memories?

He hasn't played a minute, he hasn't even worn the jersey for a photo op, but already I appreciate what he's done. I don't expect him to the be the savior, I don't expect him to single handedly fix the PP, but when your first act as a NYR is making a sacrifice for the good of the team you're ok in my book.







Well Said!!!


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Posted 2017-07-18 11:42 AM (#678129 - in reply to #677296)
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Shattenkirk will wear his #22 for the Rangers.

Nick Holden has not been seen or heard from since last Wednesday
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-18 11:47 AM (#678130 - in reply to #677296)
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Hmm interesting development ...maybe Holden has been kidnapped?
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Posted 2017-07-18 11:57 AM (#678131 - in reply to #677296)
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Posted 2017-07-18 12:02 PM (#678132 - in reply to #677296)
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lol Not a bad Idea...Im 15 minutes up 95 from there
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Posted 2017-07-18 3:22 PM (#678140 - in reply to #677296)
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Posted 2017-07-18 3:28 PM (#678141 - in reply to #677296)
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HOLDEN AND A LITTLE SWEETENER FOR BOAZK IS HAPPENING....

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Posted 2017-07-18 3:30 PM (#678142 - in reply to #677296)
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I understand tho that Bozak has NYR on the No list?
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Posted 2017-07-18 3:33 PM (#678144 - in reply to #677296)
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Shattenkirk has less hair than Stepan
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-18 3:38 PM (#678145 - in reply to #677296)
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He he he the oldest 20 somethings on Earth...what is the source of these Bozak rumblings?
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Posted 2017-07-18 4:49 PM (#678146 - in reply to #677296)
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Bozak is not coming to the Rangers for Holden and something. Not many teams are going to want Holden. Besides Pittsburgh is looking for the same type center as the Rangers, so the price is up on anyone out there. If the Rangers don't like the way the Zibanejad contract is shaping up they could move him in a package for something a lot better than Bozak. The Rangers are in the toilet with Zibanejad number 1, Hayes number 2, the midget number three and Andersson number 4.
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Posted 2017-07-18 7:43 PM (#678151 - in reply to #677296)
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Posted 2017-07-18 7:48 PM (#678153 - in reply to #677361)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2017-07-01 1:52 PM

I like the D except for Staal nice depth.

C is gonna be hard to find. Are there any top line centers to get in a trade?


Duchene is probably the best option at this point. My guess though is that Sakic is overvaluing his asset, and if the NYR want him they'll have to wait him out a bit.



I agree, who is Sakic fooling & kidding? Your team sucks, & you can't go into the season with the same team because it will suck again. You can't sell out the building. Every team knows you have no choice but to make changes & trades to try to improve the team & sell tickets. Your coach quit, walked out (Roy) & said Holden is the best d-man on the team. Ouch. One of my fav players of that time, but come down to earth Joye Sakic.
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Posted 2017-07-18 7:54 PM (#678154 - in reply to #677296)
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Sakic is high at this point
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Posted 2017-07-19 5:08 AM (#678170 - in reply to #677296)
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I think he will eventually realize the same thing that other GMs in his position have - that he's going to get fired sooner or later, so he might as well do something, take a shot, and hope it goes in. If he sits around and waits for the perfect deal, he's just waiting for his pink slip. If he makes a trade, even though it may be initially unpopular with the fanbase, he at least has a shot at fixing his problem. If he wants to save his own job he'll end up trading Duchene for an over-the-hill veteran. Trading Duchene for futures at this point, is just helping the next GM while accelerating your own firing.

So in the end one of two things will happen,
1) Nothing, no trade, and Sakic gets fired by the ASG
2) Sakic trades Duchene for a 30 year old vet and some worthless futures to make it look good, and maybe he buys himself until the end of the year if that vet can help re-energize the team a bit and it looks like they'll "snap out of it"


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Posted 2017-07-22 1:11 PM (#678228 - in reply to #677296)
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I like this signing. Not often I get to say that about a high dollar acquisition of this club but this was a nice deal for the Rangers.
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