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Rranger
Posted 2017-07-10 1:02 PM (#677796)
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http://www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/rangers-hire-lindy-ruff-as-assis...


Let the speculation begin.
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Posted 2017-07-10 8:04 PM (#677807 - in reply to #677796)
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Lindy Ruff spoke to NYRangers.com after being named an assistant coach ahead of the 2017-18 season.

How did this opportunity come to be:

First, Scott Arniel and I had coached together, worked together and played together and had success. He asked me what I was going to do and then at what point said would you be interested in a position like this.

Were there any questions you had about the position and joining the staff?

The first thing I'd have to do is talk to Alain. How it would work, how he would feel, etc. Obviously I think that any coach in this business can still learn. We can learn from each other and I am treating it that way. It can be a great learning experience, and on the other side of it, I think I have a lot to offer after coaching from 20 years and through the experiences I've had.

We (me and Alain) met up in Ottawa and discussed the opportunity at length. It's something I thought long and hard about and thought why not? I love the game, I'm a former Ranger, why wouldn't I do it? There are no head coaching positions available at the time. My goal is to get back behind the bench as a head coach, but for this year I am going to relish the opportunity to work with a couple other great coaches. It means a lot. I wasn't there long, but as a player you cherish every minute you play in the league. I'm a small town boy coming from Western Canada and to go and play probably on the greatest stage in our league, for me it was special. It holds a place in my heart and it's great to be back.

On The Outlook for the Rangers defense:

I think the best thing that you can do is play these players to their strengths. It's a little bit of a retooling. There's some young guys coming in, there's some young guys taking on bigger roles. You've got a Shattenkirk who has been one of the best offensive defenseman and one of the best power play defenseman. I think it's going to be through conversations this summer where we're really trying to decide what is the strength and how we want to play with this group.

What do you think you can bring to the team this year:

I just think it's going to be the different experiences that you deal with during the year that you bring to the table. I had 16 years in the east and then went 4 years out in the west, now I'm back in the east again and I've seen some different systems. I think that there are things that have worked playing in the west, obviously we were one of the top offensive teams out there. I think we did certain things to make us a good offensive team and I think those ideas coupled with what we want to do as a team here, I've got stuff to offer in those areas.






Music to my ears the second last question. Imagine a coach who thinks it's smart to play a style that suits players strengths, instead of stubbornly trying to transform d men into something they are not.

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Posted 2017-07-10 9:05 PM (#677809 - in reply to #677796)
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Perhaps he will replace AV behind the bench one day.(preferably sooner than later)
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Posted 2017-07-11 8:26 AM (#677814 - in reply to #677809)
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Blue404 - 2017-07-10 10:05 PM

Perhaps he will replace AV behind the bench one day.(preferably sooner than later)


I'm not sure that's an upgrade
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Posted 2017-07-11 8:31 AM (#677815 - in reply to #677796)
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Or maybe Ruff can get it thru our thickheaded coach that it actually matters having defenseman that you know, hit people and clear the crease.
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Posted 2017-07-11 8:58 AM (#677816 - in reply to #677796)
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The truth of it is if they actually listen to each other and play to each others strengths it could be a great pairing. Ruff can help get that defensive tough mindset back into the D. And AV can have his fast paced mindset in the mix as well. It really could be the perfect match IF they listen to each other and play to their strengths.

What was AV's best year here...his first year when he just got Torts tough minded D players to also play some O. As time has gone on that Torts mindset has disappeared. Ruff can bring that back I think and create a first year AV attitude I think.

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Posted 2017-07-11 11:09 PM (#677869 - in reply to #677796)
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I love it. AV must now feel like sitting on a frying pan.

If he's gone by Christmas, I'll probably send the Rangers a thank you card for a great Christmas gift.

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Posted 2017-07-12 5:40 AM (#677872 - in reply to #677816)
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Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-11 10:58 AM

The truth of it is if they actually listen to each other and play to each others strengths it could be a great pairing. Ruff can help get that defensive tough mindset back into the D. And AV can have his fast paced mindset in the mix as well. It really could be the perfect match IF they listen to each other and play to their strengths.

What was AV's best year here...his first year when he just got Torts tough minded D players to also play some O. As time has gone on that Torts mindset has disappeared. Ruff can bring that back I think and create a first year AV attitude I think.

Sorry to disappoint you, but the D wasn't even tough then. Torts had the team buy into the defensive "turtling" syndrome whereby they sat back and blocked shots for 10+ minutes in the third.
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Posted 2017-07-12 9:08 AM (#677882 - in reply to #677872)
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Mjolnir - 2017-07-12 4:40 AM

Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-11 10:58 AM

The truth of it is if they actually listen to each other and play to each others strengths it could be a great pairing. Ruff can help get that defensive tough mindset back into the D. And AV can have his fast paced mindset in the mix as well. It really could be the perfect match IF they listen to each other and play to their strengths.

What was AV's best year here...his first year when he just got Torts tough minded D players to also play some O. As time has gone on that Torts mindset has disappeared. Ruff can bring that back I think and create a first year AV attitude I think.

Sorry to disappoint you, but the D wasn't even tough then. Torts had the team buy into the defensive "turtling" syndrome whereby they sat back and blocked shots for 10+ minutes in the third.



And we all know how that worked against L.A.
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Posted 2017-07-12 10:39 AM (#677888 - in reply to #677882)
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Rranger - 2017-07-12 11:08 AM

Mjolnir - 2017-07-12 4:40 AM

Shattenkirk NYR - 2017-07-11 10:58 AM

The truth of it is if they actually listen to each other and play to each others strengths it could be a great pairing. Ruff can help get that defensive tough mindset back into the D. And AV can have his fast paced mindset in the mix as well. It really could be the perfect match IF they listen to each other and play to their strengths.

What was AV's best year here...his first year when he just got Torts tough minded D players to also play some O. As time has gone on that Torts mindset has disappeared. Ruff can bring that back I think and create a first year AV attitude I think.

Sorry to disappoint you, but the D wasn't even tough then. Torts had the team buy into the defensive "turtling" syndrome whereby they sat back and blocked shots for 10+ minutes in the third.


And we all know how that worked against L.A.


They were not going to beat LA no matter what.

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Posted 2017-07-12 11:48 AM (#677891 - in reply to #677796)
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The old saying from Muckler, with the Oils days ... the one with the most bullets wins, or something like that he said. They were not going to beat LA. There were some bad calls, some bad breaks, & if Haglin could actually score once in a while, may be it would not end in 5. But still in a 7 game series I don't think they could beat that team, just didn't have the horses or bullets to do it. What did they call that team, roaches, no matter what you do they just keep coming back like roaches.
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Posted 2017-07-12 12:09 PM (#677892 - in reply to #677796)
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Whether they were going to win or lose is a moot point. You still put your best foot forward the Rangers didn't. By the middle of the second period in most games they went into a defensive shell. They could have played a lot smarter, but under the present leadership you understand why they didn't.
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Posted 2017-07-12 12:14 PM (#677893 - in reply to #677892)
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Rangers did exactly as they'd always done....come out gangbusters in the first 5-10 minutes, throw everything at the opposition. Sometimes it worked....most times it didn't (and many times had nothing to show for it). There is no way they could kept up that pace for 60 minutes....and, as we have lamented for years, they never had a plan B. As Leetchy stated, they didn't have the horses to compete with the Kings.

Kings played rope a dope == took everything they threw at them and then took over the game.
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Posted 2017-07-12 12:17 PM (#677894 - in reply to #677796)
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So we are in agreement they didn't put their best foot forward.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-12 12:28 PM (#677895 - in reply to #677891)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2017-07-12 11:48 AM

The old saying from Muckler, with the Oils days ... the one with the most bullets wins, or something like that he said. They were not going to beat LA. There were some bad calls, some bad breaks, & if Haglin could actually score once in a while, may be it would not end in 5. But still in a 7 game series I don't think they could beat that team, just didn't have the horses or bullets to do it. What did they call that team, roaches, no matter what you do they just keep coming back like roaches.

G1 and G2 we blew 2 goal leads...and in the last minute of both games...Kreider and Hegelin had clear cut breakaways and did not score. Johnny Quick the real King
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Posted 2017-07-12 12:31 PM (#677897 - in reply to #677796)
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3 of those games went to OT... a lot closer of a series than "Kings in 5" would indicate. Debate coaching tactics all you want, it was a winnable series.

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Posted 2017-07-12 12:49 PM (#677898 - in reply to #677796)
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Especially with better tactics.
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Posted 2017-07-12 12:55 PM (#677899 - in reply to #677894)
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Rranger - 2017-07-12 2:17 PM

So we are in agreement they didn't put their best foot forward.


On the contrary... Their best wasn't good enough.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-12 1:00 PM (#677900 - in reply to #677897)
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concust - 2017-07-12 12:31 PM


3 of those games went to OT... a lot closer of a series than "Kings in 5" would indicate. Debate coaching tactics all you want, it was a winnable series.


100% .....all 3 games out there we blew leads and lost in OT. 4-1 very much does not tell the true story of that series
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Posted 2017-07-12 1:06 PM (#677902 - in reply to #677900)
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3 of those games went to OT... a lot closer of a series than "Kings in 5" would indicate. Debate coaching tactics all you want, it was a winnable series.


100% .....all 3 games out there we blew leads and lost in OT. 4-1 very much does not tell the true story of that series


It was a simple story -- Kings adjusted every single game, Rangers had no answer to it (whether that be talent wise or poor coaching, the result was the same).
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Posted 2017-07-12 1:18 PM (#677903 - in reply to #677902)
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3 of those games went to OT... a lot closer of a series than "Kings in 5" would indicate. Debate coaching tactics all you want, it was a winnable series.


100% .....all 3 games out there we blew leads and lost in OT. 4-1 very much does not tell the true story of that series


It was a simple story -- Kings adjusted every single game, Rangers had no answer to it (whether that be talent wise or poor coaching, the result was the same).





Poor coaching was the root problem. Double mint had no answer to watching games sink away except watch. The guy is beyond a doubt one of the worst I've seen at not being able or willing to adjust game plans mid game. He just stands there with a stupid look on his face watching games slide away with absolutely no adjustment in systems. Game after game.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-07-12 1:23 PM (#677904 - in reply to #677796)
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We see it...how come the Brass doesn't? Benoit Pouliot committed one dumb penalty after the other and never saw the pine...MSL total liability out there...but he got 1st team PP. JT loses a faceoff he goes to the 4th line. The guy plays favorites and that is unacceptable
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Posted 2017-07-12 1:30 PM (#677905 - in reply to #677904)
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Mikey Red - 2017-07-12 12:23 PM

We see it...how come the Brass doesn't? Benoit Pouliot committed one dumb penalty after the other and never saw the pine...MSL total liability out there...but he got 1st team PP. JT loses a faceoff he goes to the 4th line. The guy plays favorites and that is unacceptable




They have to see it. I don't like every thing Gortons done, but he's no dummy.
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Posted 2017-07-12 1:39 PM (#677906 - in reply to #677796)
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Yep Lets hope
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Posted 2017-07-12 2:03 PM (#677907 - in reply to #677906)
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Let's not forget, Torts was just as pig headed.
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Posted 2017-07-12 2:26 PM (#677911 - in reply to #677814)
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concust - 2017-07-11 10:26 AM

Blue404 - 2017-07-10 10:05 PM

Perhaps he will replace AV behind the bench one day.(preferably sooner than later)


I'm not sure that's an upgrade


You are angry a bit here probably because Stephan is gone.
It was his time to change the scenery and perhaps it's time for AV as well.
We shall see.
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Posted 2017-07-12 2:50 PM (#677913 - in reply to #677907)
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Mjolnir - 2017-07-12 4:03 PM

Let's not forget, Torts was just as pig headed.


I agree with that,but it is not judged that way by most of the media and a good portion of the fans.AV is a media darling and always nice to the media,and last year in the playoffs was really the first time I saw the media continually point out his mistakes.As for the fans,most will point to AV wonderful regular season record when his faults are pointed out,like because of the record,he is allowed to make mistakes.
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Posted 2017-07-12 3:17 PM (#677914 - in reply to #677796)
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Vigneault was brought in because he was supposedly the anti Torts. He's just as stubborn and unyielding.

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Posted 2017-07-12 5:10 PM (#677915 - in reply to #677914)
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Of the two, I'd take Torts any day. He at least had the sense to change his game to suit the players he had. He had offense in TB and used it. He didn't have the same fire power here and relied on our defensive strength. Despite what everyone says, scoring was not a problem for the Torts teams statistically. Their problem (as I pointed out far too many times back then) was TIMELY scoring. They could never seem to get that clutch goal when they really needed it.
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Posted 2017-07-12 5:20 PM (#677916 - in reply to #677915)
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Mjolnir - 2017-07-12 4:10 PM

Of the two, I'd take Torts any day. He at least had the sense to change his game to suit the players he had. He had offense in TB and used it. He didn't have the same fire power here and relied on our defensive strength. Despite what everyone says, scoring was not a problem for the Torts teams statistically. Their problem (as I pointed out far too many times back then) was TIMELY scoring. They could never seem to get that clutch goal when they really needed it.





I would take my chances with Torts also. As they say in Jr hockey he turned the entire program around.
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Posted 2017-07-13 5:07 AM (#677922 - in reply to #677911)
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Blue404 - 2017-07-10 10:05 PM

Perhaps he will replace AV behind the bench one day.(preferably sooner than later)


I'm not sure that's an upgrade


You are angry a bit here probably because Stephan is gone.
It was his time to change the scenery and perhaps it's time for AV as well.
We shall see.


I'm not angry because Stepan is gone, I'm disappointed because it leaves a huge hole at center that they didn't really have a plan to address. However it allowed the defense to get better, which is a larger, and more difficult to fix, problem. So I'm hoping they can throw some spackle on the hole for a year until something more permanent and significant can be done.

However don't try to conflate the issue here, my comment was regarding Ruff vs. Vigneault. I've said in the past that I want Vigneault gone, but if Ruff is the solution, I'm pointing out it's a poor solution. Just another "old boys club" coach who hops on the coaching merry-go-round when he's out of a job and finds another because he's got a name and a reputation.We sit here and accuse Vigneault of being hard headed and stubborn and unwilling/unable to adjust to both game situations and series situations. Well WTF do you think Ruff is like? You think he works with and develops kids, you think he doesn't trot out his same favorite veterans even if others are playing better? A switch to Ruff would be the exact same problems we have right now.

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Posted 2017-07-13 6:46 AM (#677927 - in reply to #677902)
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3 of those games went to OT... a lot closer of a series than "Kings in 5" would indicate. Debate coaching tactics all you want, it was a winnable series.


100% .....all 3 games out there we blew leads and lost in OT. 4-1 very much does not tell the true story of that series


It was a simple story -- Kings adjusted every single game, Rangers had no answer to it (whether that be talent wise or poor coaching, the result was the same).


And Kings coach is gone and AV is still here
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Posted 2017-07-13 7:51 AM (#677929 - in reply to #677927)
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3 of those games went to OT... a lot closer of a series than "Kings in 5" would indicate. Debate coaching tactics all you want, it was a winnable series.


100% .....all 3 games out there we blew leads and lost in OT. 4-1 very much does not tell the true story of that series


It was a simple story -- Kings adjusted every single game, Rangers had no answer to it (whether that be talent wise or poor coaching, the result was the same).


And Kings coach is gone and AV is still here


And why does this surprise you? Remember who our owner is....we're talking the same guy who continued to buddy up with Isaiah Thomas after he was convicted of sexual harassment (and still has him working for him).

Would love to have Kings former coach....
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Posted 2017-07-13 8:02 AM (#677930 - in reply to #677796)
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Posted 2017-07-13 8:09 AM (#677932 - in reply to #677796)
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What is Messier's experience as a tactician, button pusher behind the bench etc...? Oh the guarantee... what is he supposed to say? "We'll lose tonight? Michael Richter is the reason we won that game. Messier left us after 1997....They HATED him in Vancouver... he was the biggest doosh ever
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