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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-15 8:31 AM (#683547 - in reply to #682610)
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Chytil 1 goal and 2 assists last night. Good second game.
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Posted 2017-10-15 8:41 AM (#683548 - in reply to #682610)
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Stepan with another -2 last night...-5 right now 0 G 3 A
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Posted 2017-10-15 8:44 AM (#683550 - in reply to #683548)
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Stepan with another -2 last night...-5 right now 0 G 3 A




Ya no loss there.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2017-10-15 9:23 AM (#683551 - in reply to #683550)
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Stepan with another -2 last night...-5 right now 0 G 3 A




Ya no loss there.


Its the only thing we can hold on to say we won the trade lol
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-15 9:38 AM (#683552 - in reply to #683551)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 7:41 AM

Stepan with another -2 last night...-5 right now 0 G 3 A




Ya no loss there.


Its the only thing we can hold on to say we won the trade lol





It was a had to trade for Gorton. I don't think anyone wanted to see Stepan resigned for $7 mill plus. You can see TD's talent, will it translate into something? You never know. And we won't find out with him watching Kampfer and Holden from the stands. Same as Andersson obvious upside, maybe had personal expectations to make the Rangers, felt a little pressure in camp and didn't perform up to the level that was probably expected. He also has boatloads of talent, its not like teams were lining up to get Stepan.
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Posted 2017-10-15 9:59 AM (#683554 - in reply to #683552)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 7:41 AM

Stepan with another -2 last night...-5 right now 0 G 3 A




Ya no loss there.


Its the only thing we can hold on to say we won the trade lol






It was a had to trade for Gorton. I don't think anyone wanted to see Stepan resigned for $7 mill plus. You can see TD's talent, will it translate into something? You never know. And we won't find out with him watching Kampfer and Holden from the stands. Same as Andersson obvious upside, maybe had personal expectations to make the Rangers, felt a little pressure in camp and didn't perform up to the level that was probably expected. He also has boatloads of talent, its not like teams were lining up to get Stepan.

Yep he had to go...but he didnt replace the 2 guys for this season
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-15 10:14 AM (#683555 - in reply to #683554)
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Rranger - 2017-10-15 9:38 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 8:23 AM

Rranger - 2017-10-15 8:44 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 7:41 AM

Stepan with another -2 last night...-5 right now 0 G 3 A




Ya no loss there.


Its the only thing we can hold on to say we won the trade lol






It was a had to trade for Gorton. I don't think anyone wanted to see Stepan resigned for $7 mill plus. You can see TD's talent, will it translate into something? You never know. And we won't find out with him watching Kampfer and Holden from the stands. Same as Andersson obvious upside, maybe had personal expectations to make the Rangers, felt a little pressure in camp and didn't perform up to the level that was probably expected. He also has boatloads of talent, its not like teams were lining up to get Stepan.

Yep he had to go...but he didnt replace the 2 guys for this season




Nope. Well other than frosty.
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concust
Posted 2017-10-16 10:57 AM (#683577 - in reply to #683302)
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No one said they were immune from anything. No one said they are always right. In this case I believe they are right you don’t. They feel they have no viable option ready so they brought in Cracknell to do what Nieves should be able to do, and for whatever reasoning they have didn’t want him to. Maybe you have other reasons why they didn’t bring up Nieves. But that can change on a dime. Cracknell is a AHLer with basically one year of limited NHL success, as I mentioned a couple of times like others he can be replaced very easily.


That's not an argument you can make selectively though. You can't say (just becasue you agree with this decision) that "they are better hockey minds and know better than you" and then next week when they scratch Zuccarello, that they are not immune to criticism. You live or die by that argument.

If you think Cracknell is a good move then fine - I am perfectly willing to entertain that idea - but support it with something better than "AV is smarter than you". Show me how he was underutilized by the coaching staff in Dallas, or find some statistics that prove he was dragged down by his linemates, or point to a bad year due to injury and guess that he might bounce back (none of those is true of course, I have looked.)

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Posted 2017-10-16 12:47 PM (#683591 - in reply to #683552)
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Rranger - 2017-10-15 11:38 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 8:23 AM

Rranger - 2017-10-15 8:44 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 7:41 AM

Stepan with another -2 last night...-5 right now 0 G 3 A




Ya no loss there.


Its the only thing we can hold on to say we won the trade lol





It was a had to trade for Gorton. I don't think anyone wanted to see Stepan resigned for $7 mill plus. You can see TD's talent, will it translate into something? You never know. And we won't find out with him watching Kampfer and Holden from the stands. Same as Andersson obvious upside, maybe had personal expectations to make the Rangers, felt a little pressure in camp and didn't perform up to the level that was probably expected. He also has boatloads of talent, its not like teams were lining up to get Stepan.
Resigned? He had another 4 years on the contract....it was the no trade clause that hastened his exit.
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Posted 2017-10-16 4:53 PM (#683601 - in reply to #683551)
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Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 9:23 AM

Rranger - 2017-10-15 8:44 AM

Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 7:41 AM

Stepan with another -2 last night...-5 right now 0 G 3 A




Ya no loss there.


Its the only thing we can hold on to say we won the trade lol


Not the only thing, TD is now being paired with Mac on the first pair. That's where he was in practice today
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-16 8:17 PM (#683614 - in reply to #683577)
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Rranger - 2017-10-14 10:40 AM


No one said they were immune from anything. No one said they are always right. In this case I believe they are right you don’t. They feel they have no viable option ready so they brought in Cracknell to do what Nieves should be able to do, and for whatever reasoning they have didn’t want him to. Maybe you have other reasons why they didn’t bring up Nieves. But that can change on a dime. Cracknell is a AHLer with basically one year of limited NHL success, as I mentioned a couple of times like others he can be replaced very easily.


That's not an argument you can make selectively though. You can't say (just becasue you agree with this decision) that "they are better hockey minds and know better than you" and then next week when they scratch Zuccarello, that they are not immune to criticism. You live or die by that argument.

If you think Cracknell is a good move then fine - I am perfectly willing to entertain that idea - but support it with something better than "AV is smarter than you". Show me how he was underutilized by the coaching staff in Dallas, or find some statistics that prove he was dragged down by his linemates, or point to a bad year due to injury and guess that he might bounce back (none of those is true of course, I have looked.)





The fact he scored 10 goals and 6 or 7 assists last season plus me watching him a few times last year during Dallas games is why I like the decision. He’s a proven Fourth liner, obviously has Ruff’s input on his addition. If he equals his Dallas contribution this year it’s a win for the Rangers.
I think any NHL team would rather bring up one of their own over bringing in a marginal player like Cracknell. Nieves for one has never excelled in Hartford to justify a promotion, it has always been he’s highest on the food chain, but that doesn’t mean he’s ready for NHL employment.
The Rangers don’t have a forward in Hartford that’s excelled and earned a call up. I am encouraged by Tambellini, Lettieri and even Nieves start in Hartford this season, but they need to play so well they force the Rangers to do something. Like bring one of them up to replace Cracknell or Carey for that matter.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-16 8:18 PM (#683615 - in reply to #683591)
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Mjolnir - 2017-10-16 11:47 AM

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Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 8:23 AM

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Mikey Red - 2017-10-15 7:41 AM

Stepan with another -2 last night...-5 right now 0 G 3 A




Yad no loss there.


Its the only thing we can hold on to say we won the trade lol





It was a had to trade for Gorton. I don't think anyone wanted to see Stepan resigned for $7 mill plus. You can see TD's talent, will it translate into something? You never know. And we won't find out with him watching Kampfer and Holden from the stands. Same as Andersson obvious upside, maybe had personal expectations to make the Rangers, felt a little pressure in camp and didn't perform up to the level that was probably expected. He also has boatloads of talent, its not like teams were lining up to get Stepan.
Resigned? He had another 4 years on the contract....it was the no trade clause that hastened his exit.



10/4 on Stepans contract,
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concust
Posted 2017-10-18 6:51 AM (#683909 - in reply to #683614)
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The fact he scored 10 goals and 6 or 7 assists last season plus me watching him a few times last year during Dallas games is why I like the decision. He’s a proven Fourth liner, obviously has Ruff’s input on his addition. If he equals his Dallas contribution this year it’s a win for the Rangers.
I think any NHL team would rather bring up one of their own over bringing in a marginal player like Cracknell. Nieves for one has never excelled in Hartford to justify a promotion, it has always been he’s highest on the food chain, but that doesn’t mean he’s ready for NHL employment.
The Rangers don’t have a forward in Hartford that’s excelled and earned a call up. I am encouraged by Tambellini, Lettieri and even Nieves start in Hartford this season, but they need to play so well they force the Rangers to do something. Like bring one of them up to replace Cracknell or Carey for that matter.


Cracknell has averaged 20 NHL games a year in his 7 years of league play. He's more an AHLer than an NHLer. I think expecting him to approach anything near 10 goals or 16 points for a 32 year old is incredibly optimistic. If he is truly a better option than one of the kids, then we have been grossly overestimating their talent levels. And I'm one of the ones who recognizes that our prospect depth is among the weakest in the league already.

Having said that Cracknell is a good "energy guy" if you're into that sort of thing, and I don't think anyone thinks the Rangers couldn't use that at this point.
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Posted 2017-10-18 9:48 AM (#683919 - in reply to #683909)
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The fact he scored 10 goals and 6 or 7 assists last season plus me watching him a few times last year during Dallas games is why I like the decision. He’s a proven Fourth liner, obviously has Ruff’s input on his addition. If he equals his Dallas contribution this year it’s a win for the Rangers.
I think any NHL team would rather bring up one of their own over bringing in a marginal player like Cracknell. Nieves for one has never excelled in Hartford to justify a promotion, it has always been he’s highest on the food chain, but that doesn’t mean he’s ready for NHL employment.
The Rangers don’t have a forward in Hartford that’s excelled and earned a call up. I am encouraged by Tambellini, Lettieri and even Nieves start in Hartford this season, but they need to play so well they force the Rangers to do something. Like bring one of them up to replace Cracknell or Carey for that matter.


Cracknell has averaged 20 NHL games a year in his 7 years of league play. He's more an AHLer than an NHLer. I think expecting him to approach anything near 10 goals or 16 points for a 32 year old is incredibly optimistic. If he is truly a better option than one of the kids, then we have been grossly overestimating their talent levels. And I'm one of the ones who recognizes that our prospect depth is among the weakest in the league already.

Having said that Cracknell is a good "energy guy" if you're into that sort of thing, and I don't think anyone thinks the Rangers couldn't use that at this point.




It’s not overly optimistic to expect it from a guy who's done it, expecting equal or better from guys that can't even get a toehold in the league, to me that is incredibly optimistic.

Edited by Rranger 2017-10-18 8:44 PM
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Posted 2017-10-18 4:10 PM (#683926 - in reply to #682610)
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Wow!Before Av is fired Hittyl will get a call
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Posted 2017-10-18 5:35 PM (#683931 - in reply to #682610)
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After that slick pass by Day No Way Snowman to Grabs....He is our new 1st line Center iceman and Captain...on weekday home games only
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Posted 2017-10-19 4:10 PM (#683965 - in reply to #682610)
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They can't get a toehold because management signs 32 year old career AHL players.

Also understand that by playing a kid you are in esting in their experience for the future. By giving ice time to a replacement level journeyman you are at best looking for a short term fix. I haven't seen anything out of Cracknell, Carey that a kid wouldn't be able to provide. But if you never give the kids a chance of course they'll never prove their worth.
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Rranger
Posted 2017-10-19 6:00 PM (#684082 - in reply to #683965)
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concust - 2017-10-19 3:10 PM

They can't get a toehold because management signs 32 year old career AHL players.

Also understand that by playing a kid you are in esting in their experience for the future. By giving ice time to a replacement level journeyman you are at best looking for a short term fix. I haven't seen anything out of Cracknell, Carey that a kid wouldn't be able to provide. But if you never give the kids a chance of course they'll never prove their worth.





If they could play they’d be here. They are not even good in Hartford, when they prove their worth at that level they get a chance.. Don’t you get that.??

Edited by Rranger 2017-10-19 6:15 PM
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Posted 2017-10-19 7:31 PM (#684199 - in reply to #683919)
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The fact he scored 10 goals and 6 or 7 assists last season plus me watching him a few times last year during Dallas games is why I like the decision. He’s a proven Fourth liner, obviously has Ruff’s input on his addition. If he equals his Dallas contribution this year it’s a win for the Rangers.
I think any NHL team would rather bring up one of their own over bringing in a marginal player like Cracknell. Nieves for one has never excelled in Hartford to justify a promotion, it has always been he’s highest on the food chain, but that doesn’t mean he’s ready for NHL employment.
The Rangers don’t have a forward in Hartford that’s excelled and earned a call up. I am encouraged by Tambellini, Lettieri and even Nieves start in Hartford this season, but they need to play so well they force the Rangers to do something. Like bring one of them up to replace Cracknell or Carey for that matter.


Cracknell has averaged 20 NHL games a year in his 7 years of league play. He's more an AHLer than an NHLer. I think expecting him to approach anything near 10 goals or 16 points for a 32 year old is incredibly optimistic. If he is truly a better option than one of the kids, then we have been grossly overestimating their talent levels. And I'm one of the ones who recognizes that our prospect depth is among the weakest in the league already.

Having said that Cracknell is a good "energy guy" if you're into that sort of thing, and I don't think anyone thinks the Rangers couldn't use that at this point.




It’s not overly optimistic to expect it from a guy who's done it, expecting equal or better from guys that can't even get a toehold in the league, to me that is incredibly optimistic.


He did it once. We call that a fluke. Did you expect Brian Boyle to score 20 every season because he did it once even though his entire career said no way? It's a joke that he is here.
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Posted 2017-10-19 8:20 PM (#684279 - in reply to #684199)
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The fact he scored 10 goals and 6 or 7 assists last season plus me watching him a few times last year during Dallas games is why I like the decision. He’s a proven Fourth liner, obviously has Ruff’s input on his addition. If he equals his Dallas contribution this year it’s a win for the Rangers.
I think any NHL team would rather bring up one of their own over bringing in a marginal player like Cracknell. Nieves for one has never excelled in Hartford to justify a promotion, it has always been he’s highest on the food chain, but that doesn’t mean he’s ready for NHL employment.
The Rangers don’t have a forward in Hartford that’s excelled and earned a call up. I am encouraged by Tambellini, Lettieri and even Nieves start in Hartford this season, but they need to play so well they force the Rangers to do something. Like bring one of them up to replace Cracknell or Carey for that matter.


Cracknell has averaged 20 NHL games a year in his 7 years of league play. He's more an AHLer than an NHLer. I think expecting him to approach anything near 10 goals or 16 points for a 32 year old is incredibly optimistic. If he is truly a better option than one of the kids, then we have been grossly overestimating their talent levels. And I'm one of the ones who recognizes that our prospect depth is among the weakest in the league already.

Having said that Cracknell is a good "energy guy" if you're into that sort of thing, and I don't think anyone thinks the Rangers couldn't use that at this point.




It’s not overly optimistic to expect it from a guy who's done it, expecting equal or better from guys that can't even get a toehold in the league, to me that is incredibly optimistic.


He did it once. We call that a fluke. Did you expect Brian Boyle to score 20 every season because he did it once even though his entire career said no way? It's a joke that he is here.



Cracknell did it, plus played a gritty game. As I said, I would expect he would do it again, before players that haven’t proven they can even play well in the AHL. That’s the discussion.
Why they wasted their time bringing him in if he’s not going to play is a double mint mystery.
Or it proves the Rangers think there isn’t one forward in Hartford that is ready for the fourth line in the NHL.

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