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Posted 2018-03-31 5:09 AM (#702354 - in reply to #695393)
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Miller was a lazy dog. From all reports, he was a bad example on and off the ice for young players. Nobody is going to give a crap about Miller when Howden and Hajek arrive. Not to mention the picks gotten in the deal. Miller has 6 PP points in 15 games there. Here, probably a good chance he would have none. Take those out and he's got 10 points in 15 games with 2 of the best players in the league. This team needs to build around the Howden's of the league. Not the Miller's. He had his chance here and he underachieved.
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Posted 2018-04-01 11:12 AM (#702419 - in reply to #701899)
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concust - 2018-03-27 11:46 PM



Wondering if anyone thinks AV should get another shot?


I think he should be shot.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-01 11:15 AM (#702421 - in reply to #695393)
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To honor the late great John McKay's words.....When asked what he thought about the teams execution....he said he is in favor it....same thought pro-cess should apply to AV
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-04-06 7:47 PM (#702775 - in reply to #695393)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-06 7:52 PM (#702776 - in reply to #695393)
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They better not go after Tavares, Karlsson or Carlson
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robstones
Posted 2018-04-06 8:30 PM (#702777 - in reply to #702775)
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“Next year has to be about winning and nothing else,” Lundqvist told Larry Brooks of the New York Post this week. “I understand that the end now has been about the young guys getting used to the league and getting confidence, but next year is not about the process. It’s about winning games.”

What a quote! AV is a goner
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NYR # 1
Posted 2018-04-07 4:47 AM (#702780 - in reply to #695393)
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I've said it 1000000000 times. This is not a long term rebuild plan. The Rangers expect to be a competitive team next season (figure 3rd place/a WC contender). I have zero doubt you will see moves this summer that reflect that. Then I believe you will see them looking to be a legit back near the top team in two years.

Those of you who expect all the vets dealt and this 3 or 4 year methodical plan will be very disappointed...NOT HAPPENING.

Now I also fully believe we will not see crazy long FA deals either. Think 3 years max, even if it means we need to give slightly higher AAV's to make that happen. That trend started this past summer when Shatt only received a 4-year deal. The only caveat I put on that is for the special player. Like if Tavares wants to sign here I could see going longer for him, but that's it, and Tavares is not coming here anyway...I do not see him doing that to the Isles (I do think he is gone though).





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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-04-07 7:43 AM (#702782 - in reply to #695393)
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"but next year is not about the process" - interesting quote, what does this mean? The coach's fav saying...
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-04-07 8:06 AM (#702788 - in reply to #702776)
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Mikey Red - 2018-04-06 7:52 PM

They better not go after Tavares, Karlsson or Carlson


You know they will go for a big name. This is a city of stars not no-name players. This is NY. This is the Rangers. This is MSG. They have gone for big names as long as I can remember back to '81 (from Lefleur, to Dionne, Mess, Jagr, Nash, Lindros, Bure, etc...). Devils have a young MVP candidate/player. Isles are about to loose a young MVP candidate/player. Hank is @ the end of his career. You know they will go for a big name (ticket item).

Also, you can't have a team of 22 rookies &/or players under 25 (i.e. see slickless oils). I think they said right now Fast is the 4th or 5th longest serving Rangers, after Hank, Staal, ...? I don't see any 1 leader on this team besides Hank.

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robstones
Posted 2018-04-07 10:14 AM (#702798 - in reply to #695393)
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The big name is Kovalchuk.

We have Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, and Hayes as our 4 Cs.

Howden is coming.... Boo will get a chance to put in work and make the team, too.

I could see going for Carlson, but they just picked up 3 prospects who seem game to be NHLers. I think Hajek is ready. Rykov and Lindgren are probably another year away

Pionk has proven himself.

Skjei, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Staal, Hajek.... there's options to round out 6 & 7, but I don't think signing anyone to more than a 2 or 3 year contract is smart.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-07 10:19 AM (#702799 - in reply to #702788)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-04-07 10:06 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-04-06 7:52 PM

They better not go after Tavares, Karlsson or Carlson


You know they will go for a big name. This is a city of stars not no-name players. This is NY. This is the Rangers. This is MSG. They have gone for big names as long as I can remember back to '81 (from Lefleur, to Dionne, Mess, Jagr, Nash, Lindros, Bure, etc...). Devils have a young MVP candidate/player. Isles are about to loose a young MVP candidate/player. Hank is @ the end of his career. You know they will go for a big name (ticket item).

Also, you can't have a team of 22 rookies &/or players under 25 (i.e. see slickless oils). I think they said right now Fast is the 4th or 5th longest serving Rangers, after Hank, Staal, ...? I don't see any 1 leader on this team besides Hank.

I agree but they have done that forever.....and it never works.....all 3 of those guys will command a 7 year 10 mil contract....Exactly what we should NOT do
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Rranger
Posted 2018-04-07 10:41 AM (#702800 - in reply to #702798)
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robstones - 2018-04-07 9:14 AM

The big name is Kovalchuk.

We have Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, and Hayes as our 4 Cs.

Howden is coming.... Boo will get a chance to put in work and make the team, too.

I could see going for Carlson, but they just picked up 3 prospects who seem game to be NHLers. I think Hajek is ready. Rykov and Lindgren are probably another year away

Pionk has proven himself.

Skjei, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Staal, Hajek.... there's options to round out 6 & 7, but I don't think signing anyone to more than a 2 or 3 year contract is smart.





Boo is done.
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NYR # 1
Posted 2018-04-07 11:32 AM (#702802 - in reply to #695393)
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The Rangers with 25 mill or more cap space will make a splash. We aren't the Miami Marlins. We will add names and players. We will do it in a smarter way than the past, no crazy long deals for older questionable guys, but if people believe we'll just build with all kids and picks and go into next season with a bunch of no names and kids...sorry that is not happening.

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Posted 2018-04-07 2:43 PM (#702853 - in reply to #702800)
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Rranger - 2018-04-07 12:41 PM

robstones - 2018-04-07 9:14 AM

The big name is Kovalchuk.

We have Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, and Hayes as our 4 Cs.

Howden is coming.... Boo will get a chance to put in work and make the team, too.

I could see going for Carlson, but they just picked up 3 prospects who seem game to be NHLers. I think Hajek is ready. Rykov and Lindgren are probably another year away

Pionk has proven himself.

Skjei, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Staal, Hajek.... there's options to round out 6 & 7, but I don't think signing anyone to more than a 2 or 3 year contract is smart.





Boo is done.


Probably. He'll still be a pro, though. Not out of the question for him to improve and win a NHL job, though
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-04-07 3:17 PM (#702859 - in reply to #702802)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-04-07 11:32 AM

The Rangers with 25 mill or more cap space will make a splash. We aren't the Miami Marlins. We will add names and players. We will do it in a smarter way than the past, no crazy long deals for older questionable guys, but if people believe we'll just build with all kids and picks and go into next season with a bunch of no names and kids...sorry that is not happening.



Yep.
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robstones
Posted 2018-04-07 6:27 PM (#702884 - in reply to #695393)
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Posted 2018-04-07 8:28 PM (#702889 - in reply to #702853)
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robstones - 2018-04-07 1:43 PM

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robstones - 2018-04-07 9:14 AM

The big name is Kovalchuk.

We have Zibanejad, Chytil, Andersson, and Hayes as our 4 Cs.

Howden is coming.... Boo will get a chance to put in work and make the team, too.

I could see going for Carlson, but they just picked up 3 prospects who seem game to be NHLers. I think Hajek is ready. Rykov and Lindgren are probably another year away

Pionk has proven himself.

Skjei, Shattenkirk, Pionk, Staal, Hajek.... there's options to round out 6 & 7, but I don't think signing anyone to more than a 2 or 3 year contract is smart.





Boo is done.


Probably. He'll still be a pro, though. Not out of the question for him to improve and win a NHL job, though





If he does and personally I doubt it he will have to do it as a late bloomer, and it will be elsewhere.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-07 8:45 PM (#702891 - in reply to #695393)
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NYR # 1
Posted 2018-04-08 2:12 PM (#702971 - in reply to #695393)
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Kovy coming back. I know we all expected it, but today he made it clear that was his intention:

Ilya Kovalchuk said he's going to play in the NHL next season. And stay there for 2-3 years at least.

In an article for Russian news site RSport, Kovalchuk said that he said his thanks to the organization and the fans of SKA, and informed them that he wants to try and return to the National Hockey League.


I believe he would be a good add for us for 2 years with an AAV in the low 6's. I would go tops 3 years if I absolutely had to for an AAV in the 5's. If he wants more years then we pass. But seeing the comment stay there for 2-3 years at least, maybe that means he'd be open to a short term deal (3 or less years).


I still think he'll be a Ranger unless Gorton wants nothing to do with him (which I don't see) or he is totally unreasonable with his contract demands.






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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-08 2:17 PM (#702972 - in reply to #695393)
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Sign him up...2-3 yrs is fine....He will be our best Forward the day he shows up
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-04-08 2:21 PM (#702973 - in reply to #695393)
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Id rather go some mid level guys like Kovy and JVR for 3 year deals than go after Karlsson for a ton of cost for only 1 year til he hits UFA....and I dont want to give Tavares a 7 x 10 mil either....Hopefully JT signs a 1 yr bridge deal...then maybe we can get him back too
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NYR # 1
Posted 2018-04-08 2:21 PM (#702974 - in reply to #695393)
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Agreed...and a R shot who is lethal on the PP as well, something we have needed. It does make sense as again the Rangers with 25 mill + cap space will make moves this summer to be a good team next season, that is a given.


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Posted 2018-04-08 2:23 PM (#702975 - in reply to #695393)
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Yeah, I have zero interest in Karlsson...zero. Tavares I have interest in given he is the special player we can certainly use up front, but I really don't waste anytime thinking about that as I simply cannot see him leaving the Isles for their biggest rival given contract offers and money will be similar from many teams. I do think he is leaving the Isles though.





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Posted 2018-04-08 4:52 PM (#702982 - in reply to #695393)
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Big time free agents like Tavares and Carlson not going to sigh with NYR, unless you significantly overpay with money and years. Kovy would be a good option, however he most likely will asked for more years that Rangers would be willing to pay plus he rather go with team like leafs they talented and cup ready with few additions
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Posted 2018-04-08 5:05 PM (#702983 - in reply to #695393)
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I think you undersell the draw of MSG and NYC and the NYR. I also think the Rangers will put a winning team on the ice next season and won't be in this rebuild tank mode next season. Now I don't think Karlsson or Tavares will be Rangers, but I don't think it will be because of the Rangers not being attractive. I think there will be other teams more interested in Karlsson and I don't see Tavares leaving the Isles for their biggest rival as mentioned.

The money will be pretty similar from a group of teams I think in this hard capped league.


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Posted 2018-04-08 6:58 PM (#702984 - in reply to #695393)
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May be, but i think if before Rangers had status of winner for decade with quality players and big time organization, now it is rebuilding team with no name players and goalie at the end of his career. Sex appeal not the same...
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-04-08 8:18 PM (#702986 - in reply to #695393)
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JT will sign with a contender, I think.
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Posted 2018-04-09 4:58 AM (#702990 - in reply to #695393)
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And that is where we disagree DA (and I agree with most fans in here). This is not some long term rebuilding over years team. I expect them to be active around the draft and in free agency. I expect them to have a solid team next season (WC type team). And I expect they'll be back moving up in two years.

That's my prediction for what happens, and that's what I believe Gorton feels and expects as well.

We'll see...




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concust
Posted 2018-04-09 7:35 AM (#703007 - in reply to #702990)
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NYR # 1 - 2018-04-09 5:58 AM

And that is where we disagree DA (and I agree with most fans in here). This is not some long term rebuilding over years team. I expect them to be active around the draft and in free agency. I expect them to have a solid team next season (WC type team). And I expect they'll be back moving up in two years.

That's my prediction for what happens, and that's what I believe Gorton feels and expects as well.

We'll see...




In my opinion, a "proper" rebuild takes about 3-4 years. That means 3-4 years with a focus on drafting and player development, and not making any moves for the present. (Even if it means you will make the playoffs, don't sacrifice assets for a "playoff push")

An accelerated rebuild could be done in 2-3 years' time, IF you already have a bit of a headstart, and everything falls into place, like a rookie goaltender takes the job and refuses to give it up.

Longer than 4 years? You're doing it wrong (Islanders, Coyotes, Edmonton, Carolina).

It remains to be seen which direction the Rangers take - if Gorton still insists on "rebuilding on the fly" I think it's more likely this just extends the mediocrity. That's not to say that you can't win while you're rebuilding - you just can't (shouldn't) make moves that sacrifice the future for the needs/wants of the present. For example signing a 31 year old tough guy fourth line winger when there is a worthy youngster that could take the spot.

Personally I don't see the Rangers back in any serious contention (even an outside shot) in two years. Playoffs, maybe - but again my metric for judging the rebuild is more about the moves they make, and whether they're moves for the future or moves for the present.
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:08 AM (#703060 - in reply to #695393)
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I think Gorton's had an idea of the type of team he wants to ice (I can't help but thinking he'll want to building something similar to the Bruins model).
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Posted 2018-04-09 10:43 AM (#703074 - in reply to #703060)
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Mjolnir - 2018-04-09 11:08 AM

I think Gorton's had an idea of the type of team he wants to ice (I can't help but thinking he'll want to building something similar to the Bruins model).


OK I'll bite. What's the Bruins model.
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Posted 2018-04-09 11:16 AM (#703078 - in reply to #702990)
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I agree that team will look much different than now. I do understand, that it will add some veterans, however when i say sex appeal, i meant that players would rather sign with team that have Nashers, McDougnas, Stepans, or Crosbys, Malkins, etc or young uprising teams like Toronto who has plenty of talent and almost there. Once all trades were made we became "fish sticks " minus Tavares. Also, i may add that regardless of which way management will go it still takes about3-4 years to be a contender. So as professional competitor players for the same money will rather go to teams that already there.
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Posted 2018-04-09 11:31 AM (#703081 - in reply to #695393)
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I agree and disagree concust. I believe we will have a solid team next season, a WC type team. In two years I think we will be heading back up towards the top. Maybe an outside shot to be a legit deep threat if everything broke right, but more than likely 3 years from now is when we are looking to be a real SC threat type team.

But I do think if things broke right, and we get some lottery luck and/or can package to move up real high and/or can package to add a young kid who is close to being a very good player we could be back up top in two years. But in general I'd say 3 years we could be a legit SC threat if things go according to plan.



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Posted 2018-04-09 1:46 PM (#703095 - in reply to #695393)
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What's a WC type team?

I think 3 years to be Cup contenders is incredibly optimistic but I would be thrilled if they could pull that off. Likely means either they find above-average goaltending or it emerges from the system, or Henrik Lundqvist is truly ageless.

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Posted 2018-04-09 6:45 PM (#703119 - in reply to #695393)
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A team that is like Florida, CBJ, NJ and Philly were this year. Battling down the stretch for a WC spot. I think we can be in that range next season.

As for goalie I am not too worried about that position for a few reasons. I feel like Hank has another 1 or 2 years in him, and I think we have talent that with George as a solid backup type and Igor as the future here after next season, and I just don't know if you need a stud goalie to win a cup. You need very good goaltending, but do you need a stud star...not sure.

And what is a cup contender in the NHL? A team that can finish top 2 in their division and get home ice in round 1? I think we can certainly be that in 2 or 3 years. From there anything can happen in the NHL playoffs.





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