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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-02-24 6:16 PM (#698013 - in reply to #697079)
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Watch out for the Panthers...up 4-1 on Pitt....Red hot lately...3 to 4 games in hand on everyone....so maybe they really want MacDonagh
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Posted 2018-02-25 7:34 AM (#698061 - in reply to #697370)
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robstones - 2018-02-20 5:48 PM

Rangers now have 9 picks in the draft

2 First round
2 Second round
2 Third round
1 Fourth round
1 Fifth round
1 Sixth round

I will edit this as we go


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Posted 2018-02-25 7:53 AM (#698071 - in reply to #697079)
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With Lindgren and Rykov in the system

And Andersson and Chytil drafted last year

I'd say their best bet is going after Svechnikov at the draft
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Proxomat
Posted 2018-02-25 7:56 AM (#698073 - in reply to #697079)
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The question is, what the Rangers will get for all this Picks?
Ist this a good draft Year?
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Posted 2018-02-25 8:03 AM (#698077 - in reply to #698073)
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Proxomat - 2018-02-25 9:56 AM

The question is, what the Rangers will get for all this Picks?
Ist this a good draft Year?


Time will tell, but I've liked what I've seen from some of these kids, and read it's a deep pool this year
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Posted 2018-02-25 8:10 AM (#698080 - in reply to #698077)
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robstones - 2018-02-25 4:03 PM

Proxomat - 2018-02-25 9:56 AM

The question is, what the Rangers will get for all this Picks?
Ist this a good draft Year?


Time will tell, but I've liked what I've seen from some of these kids, and read it's a deep pool this year


I hope all the best for the Rangers. It was defently time for a change.
But maybe, this change will take some more time than just one draft session/year.
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Posted 2018-02-25 8:14 AM (#698083 - in reply to #697079)
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I don't think they're winning The Cup next year, but we'll see what they do with all this cap space
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walter t
Posted 2018-02-25 8:59 PM (#698489 - in reply to #697079)
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I've read where it's deep but elsewhere that it's more top heavy. Fortunately we have a high pick plus a high amount of picks, with 5 in the top 75 and 7 in the top 105 (or so). Obviously we need to hit a home run on the top pick.
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Posted 2018-02-25 9:03 PM (#698490 - in reply to #698489)
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walter t - 2018-02-25 10:59 PM

I've read where it's deep but elsewhere that it's more top heavy. Fortunately we have a high pick plus a high amount of picks, with 5 in the top 75 and 7 in the top 105 (or so). Obviously we need to hit a home run on the top pick.

Absolutely! There is definitely reason for optimism...we are doing the right thing
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Posted 2018-02-26 2:31 PM (#698765 - in reply to #698061)
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robstones - 2018-02-20 5:48 PM

Rangers now have 10 picks in the draft

3 First round
2 Second round
2 Third round
1 Fourth round
1 Fifth round
1 Sixth round





Edited by robstones 2018-02-26 2:32 PM
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Posted 2018-02-26 3:07 PM (#698781 - in reply to #698765)
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robstones - 2018-02-26 3:31 PM


robstones - 2018-02-20 5:48 PM

Rangers now have 10 picks in the draft

3 First round
2 Second round
2 Third round
1 Fourth round
1 Fifth round
1 Sixth round





As of standings right now (and before we win the lottery, obviously,) the picks are

7, 26 (Bruins), 31 (Tampa)
38, 48 (Devils)
69, 88 (Bruins)
100
131
162

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Tyutin in the Staal
Posted 2018-02-26 8:12 PM (#698917 - in reply to #698781)
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Probably the most picks we've ever had. Hopefully that scout that found Jessiman is no longer with the NYR!
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Posted 2018-02-26 8:14 PM (#698918 - in reply to #698083)
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robstones - 2018-02-25 8:14 AM

I don't think they're winning The Cup next year, but we'll see what they do with all this cap space


Let's hope they don't waste it on older mercenaries like Kovy.
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Posted 2018-02-26 8:24 PM (#698921 - in reply to #697079)
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They should take on a couple of bad contracts. You know the type - veteran guy, past his prime, his contract is becoming an anchor on a team that's trying to squeeze out every last bit of efficiency at a cup run.

Those teams may be looking to deal come draft day, so they can open their wallets for the next "final piece" on july 1.

You know this situation well because this is what the Rangers have done for years. Now we're on the other side of the fence, and I say find these guys with a few years left, take the bad contract on, and pick up some draft picks and prospects for the privilege. Admit it, last year you would have killed for some team to take Staal and second round pick just to take him off our hands, right? NYR should use their cap space and roster space (there is plenty right now) in order to pick up a decent overpaid veteran or two and build for the future.

It's just Dolan's money after all.

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walter t
Posted 2018-02-27 5:22 PM (#699002 - in reply to #697079)
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I like the fact we picked up three decent prospects on defense. It makes it a lot easier to just take the best player available. And that still probably means a dman with the first pick unless we move up to the top 5. But we can really go either way. And I agree with others who have said they hope we don't try to get too cute.
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Posted 2018-02-28 8:15 AM (#699038 - in reply to #697079)
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Always take best available, never try to project what you need in 2-3 years. Needs change literally from year to year. Why draft someone you may not need, when they finally become NHL ready?

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Posted 2018-02-28 8:56 AM (#699044 - in reply to #699038)
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concust - 2018-02-28 10:15 AM

Always take best available, never try to project what you need in 2-3 years. Needs change literally from year to year. Why draft someone you may not need, when they finally become NHL ready?



Worst case scenario is we're overstocked on young talented D or young talented C and we flip one for whatever hole we have.

I don't know if I take D with the first pick, though.... outside of Dahlin

I'd rather have Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk, or Wahlstrom over Boqvist, Hughes, Bouchard, or Dobson
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Posted 2018-02-28 9:26 AM (#699048 - in reply to #697079)
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Posted 2018-02-28 10:00 AM (#699050 - in reply to #699044)
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robstones - 2018-02-28 9:56 AM

concust - 2018-02-28 10:15 AM

Always take best available, never try to project what you need in 2-3 years. Needs change literally from year to year. Why draft someone you may not need, when they finally become NHL ready?



Worst case scenario is we're overstocked on young talented D or young talented C and we flip one for whatever hole we have.

I don't know if I take D with the first pick, though.... outside of Dahlin

I'd rather have Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk, or Wahlstrom over Boqvist, Hughes, Bouchard, or Dobson


In fairness if you have a top 3 pick and each one is projected to be NHL ready out of the box, and you have a specific need, then sure - but it's so rare for a prospect to be ready out of the box.

Also I agree 100% with your top 10. My personal feeling is that there's a dropoff after 4 or so. I think Dahlin is clear cut #1 obviously, and Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk round out the top 4. Walstrom would be my top of the next tier. Boqvist scares me a little because I think people see he's a small swedish D with talent and they think Karlsson which is an impossible comparision for him to live up to. Dobson plays in the Q and i don't like the Q as a developmental league.
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Posted 2018-02-28 11:37 AM (#699060 - in reply to #697079)
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Why should try to get the best player available at wherever we land in the draft with our first pick and see if Bouchard is available with our 2nd 1st.
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Posted 2018-02-28 1:18 PM (#699063 - in reply to #697079)
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I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

Edited by robstones 2018-02-28 1:19 PM
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-02-28 1:22 PM (#699064 - in reply to #699063)
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robstones - 2018-02-28 3:18 PM

I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

6'2" 195 lbs.....
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Posted 2018-02-28 1:28 PM (#699066 - in reply to #697079)
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No on Boqvist... No on Hughes... No on Thomas...No on Denisenko....No on Kupari
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Posted 2018-02-28 1:31 PM (#699067 - in reply to #697079)
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Posted 2018-02-28 2:00 PM (#699068 - in reply to #699064)
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robstones - 2018-02-28 3:18 PM

I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

6'2" 195 lbs.....


Youtube him.... dude can skate.
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Posted 2018-03-02 9:34 AM (#699406 - in reply to #697079)
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Any chance we can move up to #4 and take Brady Tkachuk? Taking on Kovalchuk (which I oppose) and JVR (if he can't be a star in Toronto, what makes anyone think he will in NY?) only keeps our young players off the roster.
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Posted 2018-03-02 10:19 AM (#699407 - in reply to #699406)
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Posted 2018-03-02 12:11 PM (#699409 - in reply to #699068)
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robstones - 2018-02-28 3:18 PM

I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

6'2" 195 lbs.....


Youtube him.... dude can skate.


That's one check box... but the most important thing is always, hockey IQ followed by talent level... Sean Day has size and can skate but his hockey IQ is questionable. You guys have to stop looking at height and weight as the first measure of a prospect. Size should barely register, like FO% or +/-

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Posted 2018-03-02 12:14 PM (#699410 - in reply to #699406)
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NTHockey - 2018-03-02 10:34 AM

Any chance we can move up to #4 and take Brady Tkachuk? Taking on Kovalchuk (which I oppose) and JVR (if he can't be a star in Toronto, what makes anyone think he will in NY?) only keeps our young players off the roster.


Depending on where we finish and how many assets we want to sacrifice to get there, we might have an outside shot at #4. I wouldn't say it's a realistic option.

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Posted 2018-03-02 7:11 PM (#699434 - in reply to #699409)
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robstones - 2018-02-28 3:18 PM

I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

6'2" 195 lbs.....


Youtube him.... dude can skate.


That's one check box... but the most important thing is always, hockey IQ followed by talent level... Sean Day has size and can skate but his hockey IQ is questionable. You guys have to stop looking at height and weight as the first measure of a prospect. Size should barely register, like FO% or +/-



I'm not just looking at his size... though I like my defenders bigger.... and physical, which is another checked off box.... and can skate... heavy shot... clears the crease.... pp qb... kill penalties. Kid looks good
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Posted 2018-03-03 4:37 PM (#699520 - in reply to #699434)
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robstones - 2018-02-28 3:18 PM

I've said it before, but I really like the looks of Bode Wilde. If we can get a scoring winger, and Bode Wilde, then we struck a grand slam

6'2" 195 lbs.....


Youtube him.... dude can skate.


That's one check box... but the most important thing is always, hockey IQ followed by talent level... Sean Day has size and can skate but his hockey IQ is questionable. You guys have to stop looking at height and weight as the first measure of a prospect. Size should barely register, like FO% or +/-



I'm not just looking at his size... though I like my defenders bigger.... and physical, which is another checked off box.... and can skate... heavy shot... clears the crease.... pp qb... kill penalties. Kid looks good





Skating is the number one necessity to play in the NHL and to be drafted or even considered. If they can’t keep up they can’t play, and it doesn’t matter how smart they are. All other skills and intangibles are secondary. You can get to the NHL with a low IQ if you can skate. For example J.T. Miller, as much as I like the guy his to frequent snafus were usually the result of his poor evaluation and decision making on his blunders. Commonly called hockey IQ, and the NHL is full of blockheads, but they can all skate.
Sean Days physical skills with skating at the top of the list are why the Rangers took a chance and drafted Day, not because of his IQ. His immense physical tools noteably skating are why the Rangers rolled the dice on Day, because they think they can improve his mental part of the game. His skating got him drafted.
Size is still very important in context and it’s still a important part of the choice process between choosing players, and along with DOB the first things Scouts write down about a player. In its simplest form you can have Desharnais and I’ll take his 6’2” comparable every day of the week. Size will always matter in the NHL and in the drafting process, assuming the contribution to a team is on a similar level, a GM is going to take the bigger guy over a smaller guy.

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walter t
Posted 2018-03-03 6:34 PM (#699533 - in reply to #699409)
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I don't know, I'm tempted to take the best f/o guy available.
Seriously, though it's best guy available. The way it looks of course is if you win the overall top pick it'd be a dman. If you're not at #1 but in the top 5 it's probably a forward. Then from 6 to 12 it's mostly dmen. If we do get a dman with our top pick (I'm not expecting to be top 5) we could balance it out by targeting a forward in the 15 - 20 range and trading up with some of those extra picks. Just don't reach.
Big question - does anyone know when they hold the lottery?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-03-03 6:43 PM (#699535 - in reply to #699533)
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walter t - 2018-03-03 8:34 PM

I don't know, I'm tempted to take the best f/o guy available.
Seriously, though it's best guy available. The way it looks of course is if you win the overall top pick it'd be a dman. If you're not at #1 but in the top 5 it's probably a forward. Then from 6 to 12 it's mostly dmen. If we do get a dman with our top pick (I'm not expecting to be top 5) we could balance it out by targeting a forward in the 15 - 20 range and trading up with some of those extra picks. Just don't reach.
Big question - does anyone know when they hold the lottery?

I thinks its at the end of April
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Posted 2018-03-04 5:14 AM (#699647 - in reply to #697079)
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THN Article of teams draft performance in the later rounds (3rd & on). Rangers were ranked #10, not bad.
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Posted 2018-03-04 6:13 AM (#699650 - in reply to #699533)
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walter t - 2018-03-03 8:34 PM

I don't know, I'm tempted to take the best f/o guy available.



Howden is tagged as a good faceoff guy
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