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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-14 10:16 AM (#706415 - in reply to #706410)
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Mandar - 2018-06-14 11:45 AM

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Rangers have to move up or we will get the worst of the top end prospects


by your logic, why would a team trade down to get the worst of the top end prospects?

Because that is what we seem to always do....go for the lowest ceiling player...so it can be done! Bergevin is capable of messing up
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Posted 2018-06-14 12:16 PM (#706419 - in reply to #706415)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-14 12:16 PM

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Rangers have to move up or we will get the worst of the top end prospects


by your logic, why would a team trade down to get the worst of the top end prospects?

Because that is what we seem to always do....go for the lowest ceiling player...so it can be done! Bergevin is capable of messing up


We always trade down to get the worst of the top end prospects?
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Posted 2018-06-15 5:48 AM (#706442 - in reply to #702887)
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Rangers never trade down you imbecile. It's like your eyes are closed watching this team all the time.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-15 8:05 AM (#706443 - in reply to #702887)
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I have faith Gorton is going to try to do the right thing...I believe he is going to try to move up...or use the 26 and 28 in some form to move up into the teens or to get a stud top 4 defenseman ....lots of balls in the air...No reaching this year
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Posted 2018-06-15 8:07 AM (#706444 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-15 9:58 AM (#706445 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-15 10:13 AM (#706446 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-17 8:45 AM (#706494 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-17 9:10 AM (#706495 - in reply to #706494)
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WOW...there is alot in that article!
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Posted 2018-06-17 9:37 AM (#706496 - in reply to #702887)
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Hayes for a D upgrade would be good.... Adam Fox would be great.

Namestnikov and one of the late 1sts to move up in the draft has always been a good idea to me.

If they can do that..... sign JVR..... then I would say Kovy would put us as a possible contender..... not even including the draft.

If not one this year, he'd have to see the potential for NYR next year. If Shestyorkin is good enough to compete for Lundqvist's job, nobody would know that better than Kovalchuk. No one has had a better look at Rykov either, who is set to come here with Shestyorkin.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-17 9:46 AM (#706497 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-17 2:03 PM (#706500 - in reply to #702887)
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Bouchard, Dobson two righty's one will be there at the Rangers first pick. Then two forwards. Trade Hayes for a defenseman. that will be a good day.
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Posted 2018-06-17 2:32 PM (#706501 - in reply to #702887)
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What if teams pass on the smaller D for the same reasons we would.... That is, the draft goes something like this

Dahlin
Svechnikov
Zadina
Tkachuk
Dobson
Bouchard
Whalstrom
Kotkaniemi

and the BPA are

Quinn Hughes and Adam Boqvist

Do you take one of them.... both of whom have been projected to be in the top 5....

Or do you pass for someone like Vitali Kravtsov.... Bode Wilde....
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-17 3:14 PM (#706502 - in reply to #706501)
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No to Bovqist and Hughes ....they will get rag dolled in the nhl
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Posted 2018-06-17 3:32 PM (#706503 - in reply to #706502)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-17 5:14 PM

No to Bovqist and Hughes ....they will get rag dolled in the nhl


Right.... so do you just trade the pick?

"Reach" for a player that could be had at 15 or 20?

Get Veleno or Farabee?
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Posted 2018-06-17 3:33 PM (#706504 - in reply to #706501)
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What if teams pass on the smaller D for the same reasons we would.... That is, the draft goes something like this

Dahlin
Svechnikov
Zadina
Tkachuk
Dobson
Bouchard
Whalstrom
Kotkaniemi

and the BPA are

Quinn Hughes and Adam Boqvist

Do you take one of them.... both of whom have been projected to be in the top 5....

Or do you pass for someone like Vitali Kravtsov.... Bode Wilde....



There could be a lot of what ifs. I think Montreal is the beginning of a domino effect if they went off the board and took Kotkaniemi then Ottawa takes Zadina and all bets are off. Only four more picks and it’s the Rangers turn. If Hughes and Boqvist go in the next four it leaves a pool of Bouchard, Thachuk, Wahlstrom, and Dobson for the Rangers to get one of after two more are picked. To me it wouldn’t matter which one.
Hughes and Boqvist are the hyped guys because of being dynamic, I don’t see them slipping out of the top eight if they did I think the Rangers would be taking one.
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Posted 2018-06-17 4:28 PM (#706505 - in reply to #702887)
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Yeah I've talked about this on various posts.... Kotkaniemi is a huge keystone to this draft.

We want to see Hughes and Boqvist come off the board before it's our turn.... If that happens, we are going to be happy no matter what. It would mean a choice between two of the following:

Whalstrom
Dobson
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi

I don't think Tkachuk or Zadina are dropping to #9.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-17 6:06 PM (#706507 - in reply to #706503)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-17 5:14 PM

No to Bovqist and Hughes ....they will get rag dolled in the nhl


Right.... so do you just trade the pick?

"Reach" for a player that could be had at 15 or 20?

Get Veleno or Farabee?

Im all aboard the move up train
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Posted 2018-06-17 8:25 PM (#706509 - in reply to #706507)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-17 5:14 PM

No to Bovqist and Hughes ....they will get rag dolled in the nhl


Right.... so do you just trade the pick?

"Reach" for a player that could be had at 15 or 20?

Get Veleno or Farabee?

Im all aboard the move up train


Sure, but my hypothetical is worst case scenario....

Nobody ahead of us likes our offer.... we locked in at #9

Not only that, but the names that come off the board are Kotkaniemi, Dobson, Bouchard, Whalstrom, Svechnikov, Zadina, Dahlin, Tkachuk (in whatever order).... so none of those players are available.

Would you prefer they take Hughes or Boqvist? (If so, which do you favor), or....
Pick outside the precieved top 10? Joel Farabee is good..... Bode Wilde.... Vitali Kravtsov
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Posted 2018-06-17 9:48 PM (#706510 - in reply to #706505)
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Yeah I've talked about this on various posts.... Kotkaniemi is a huge keystone to this draft.

We want to see Hughes and Boqvist come off the board before it's our turn.... If that happens, we are going to be happy no matter what. It would mean a choice between two of the following:

Whalstrom
Dobson
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi

I don't think Tkachuk or Zadina are dropping to #9.




I don’t see it either. No reason in the world for Ottawa if still drafting fourth to pass on Zadina at four unless they want
Thachuk, assuming Montreal drafts Kotkaniemi. Either way one might slip a couple spots if teams at 5,6,7 start a run on defense, but I don’t see the 5 pick passing on Zadina or Thachuk if they are still on the board. And I agree the best thing that could happen for the Rangers picking at 9 is have Hughes, Boqvist and Kotkaniemi get picked in the top 8. Then I like what would be still available for the Rangers to pick.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-18 6:40 AM (#706512 - in reply to #706509)
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No to Bovqist and Hughes ....they will get rag dolled in the nhl


Right.... so do you just trade the pick?

"Reach" for a player that could be had at 15 or 20?

Get Veleno or Farabee?

Im all aboard the move up train


Sure, but my hypothetical is worst case scenario....

Nobody ahead of us likes our offer.... we locked in at #9

Not only that, but the names that come off the board are Kotkaniemi, Dobson, Bouchard, Whalstrom, Svechnikov, Zadina, Dahlin, Tkachuk (in whatever order).... so none of those players are available.

Would you prefer they take Hughes or Boqvist? (If so, which do you favor), or....
Pick outside the precieved top 10? Joel Farabee is good..... Bode Wilde.... Vitali Kravtsov

If that is the case...I would see who Bob Mackenzie and Craig Button like etc... and furthermore...If I have to stay at #9....They must use the 26 and 28 to move up into the teens
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-18 8:44 AM (#706513 - in reply to #702887)
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We are officially in draft week....should be a wild week...I want to see moves!
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-18 8:46 AM (#706514 - in reply to #702887)
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I think Gorton knows he F'd up last year with the #7...Im sure he is not trying to make that mistake again
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Posted 2018-06-18 8:52 AM (#706515 - in reply to #706514)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-18 10:46 AM

I think Gorton knows he F'd up last year with the #7...Im sure he is not trying to make that mistake again


It really bugs me that you don't like Lias
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-18 8:56 AM (#706516 - in reply to #706515)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-18 10:46 AM

I think Gorton knows he F'd up last year with the #7...Im sure he is not trying to make that mistake again


It really bugs me that you don't like Lias

Lol Im rooting for him...but all the sites have guys that are bummed on him too...Things like Howden has a better shot to make team this year than Lias...We shall see...I want action! go Jeff go!
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Posted 2018-06-18 8:56 AM (#706517 - in reply to #702887)
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Ever since I first started pushing for the Rangers to get Kotkaniemi (4/30), he's been climbing in the draft. He's a potential #1 center, who could step right in. Move up and take him. If not, Tkachuk may stay in college and Hughes and Boqvist are undersized. Veleno likely still on the board at 28. If it's BPA and what's there are undersized defensemen, I'd trade down for extra picks. If we can trade up, get Kotkaniemi.
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Posted 2018-06-18 9:19 AM (#706518 - in reply to #706517)
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NTHockey - 2018-06-18 10:56 AM

Ever since I first started pushing for the Rangers to get Kotkaniemi (4/30), he's been climbing in the draft. He's a potential #1 center, who could step right in. Move up and take him. If not, Tkachuk may stay in college and Hughes and Boqvist are undersized. Veleno likely still on the board at 28. If it's BPA and what's there are undersized defensemen, I'd trade down for extra picks. If we can trade up, get Kotkaniemi.


Do you put him above Whalstrom?
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-18 9:30 AM (#706519 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-18 11:18 AM (#706521 - in reply to #706517)
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NTHockey - 2018-06-18 9:56 AM

Ever since I first started pushing for the Rangers to get Kotkaniemi (4/30), he's been climbing in the draft. He's a potential #1 center, who could step right in. Move up and take him. If not, Tkachuk may stay in college and Hughes and Boqvist are undersized. Veleno likely still on the board at 28. If it's BPA and what's there are undersized defensemen, I'd trade down for extra picks. If we can trade up, get Kotkaniemi.


I'm naturally wary of late risers, especially those who rise even after their season ends. Seems fishy to me.

Not saying he's not a good player but I look at those cases with a little more skepticism.
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Posted 2018-06-18 2:59 PM (#706527 - in reply to #702887)
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Yeah if I can't have Svechnikov or Zadina... my rankings are

Whalstrom
Tkachuk
Dobson
Bouchard
Kotkaniemi

If any of those 5 are available at #9 I'll be happy. Very good chance of that happening, too. Hughes and Boqvist need to come off the board! Teams love those kinds of guys.... Both have been projected in the top 5, and probably rightfully so.

As much as they say small skilled defenseman thrive in today's NHL.... still not my top choice. Gotta love guys who can skate circles around everyone, but NY needs some size and power.

If they choose a RHD, they NEED to take a scoring winger with their next pick.... and visa versa.... If they get a forward with their first pick, the next MUST be a RHD

BPA only goes so far.... organizational need are important imo.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-18 3:01 PM (#706528 - in reply to #702887)
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I hope JG is trying to have 2 top 9 picks...
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-18 3:03 PM (#706529 - in reply to #702887)
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Anyone who says Hayes is untouchable is crazy....He had a breakaway where he didnt shoot and took it behind the net
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Posted 2018-06-18 5:19 PM (#706531 - in reply to #702887)
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Trade up take wahlstrom or tkachuk.
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Posted 2018-06-18 5:28 PM (#706532 - in reply to #706531)
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sk4life40 - 2018-06-18 7:19 PM

Trade up take wahlstrom or tkachuk.

A1 where ya been?
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Posted 2018-06-18 7:38 PM (#706533 - in reply to #706529)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-18 3:03 PM

Anyone who says Hayes is untouchable is crazy....He had a breakaway where he didnt shoot and took it behind the net


Who says that?!? Hayes, untouchable?!? The Great One was traded. Mess was traded. Jagr was traded. Roy was traded. Who is Hayes?
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