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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-23 7:05 AM (#707050 - in reply to #707048)
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Gorton is getting beat up on some of these draft grade boards
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Posted 2018-06-23 7:07 AM (#707051 - in reply to #707050)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-23 6:05 AM

Gorton is getting beat up on some of these draft grade boards




I said it last night, he got fleeced on the trade up by freaking Ottawa..
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Posted 2018-06-23 7:11 AM (#707052 - in reply to #707049)
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A blurb about Gorton, his trade up sucked. Could he have drafted bouchard or dobson and then got up to 12 or so and still got the Russian? We will never know.

Loser: Jeff Gorton


The Rangers' general manager entered Friday with three first-round picks — three more than five other teams — and the way he used them was a bit puzzling. Such ample ammunition could have helped the Blueshirts move up from No. 9 in pursuit of a blue-chip player the organization lacks. Instead, they stood pat and selected Russian forward Vitali Kravtsov, whom most draftniks had rated farther down the draft board. They passed on more well-rounded prospects such as Oliver Wahlstrom and Noah Dobson (who both went to the rival Islanders a few picks later). Gorton then parted with the No. 48 pick to move up four spots in Round 1 and draft K'Andre Miller. The pick was fine, but then Rangers fans watched as the Blues spent only a third-rounder to trade up four spots with the Leafs a few picks later. In general, Gorton did a poor job managing his assets.

PERIOD. Exactly my point. This article sums it up perfectly. If these guys become big time players this will be mostly forgotten, but even if they do it still doesn't change the fact that he WAY mismanaged his assets. Draft Wahl or one of the dmen at 9. Then trade back up to take the Russian. Don't deal a 2nd rounder to move up 4 spots to 22. It was quite frankly asinine how he managed last night. I loved Gorton but admit I am now quickly losing faith in him being the guy. And if he isn't we may suck for 10 years.


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Posted 2018-06-23 7:14 AM (#707053 - in reply to #707047)
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robstones - 2018-06-23 7:50 AM

Did people think we would be drafting guys who could play in the NHL out of camp?

What does everyone mean by "if this is the plan?" The plan of drafting at the draft?

Free agency is July 1st....


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We took the best forward coming out of Europe, and Rangers fans are all pissed off because he's a Euro.... or because the never reliable mock draft had him in the teens....

We could've had the 4th ranked forward playing in North America, sure. Wahlstrom was ranked by central scouting at #7 among North American skaters. He's good and has a great shot that he loves to use, don't get me wrong I wanted him, but he's a one dimensional goal scorer.

But Kravtsov is more dynamic. He has better hands. He's bigger and faster. It's hard to say for sure at this stage of the game, but The Rangers could have the better player.

WJC is going to be fun again this year
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Posted 2018-06-23 7:33 AM (#707055 - in reply to #707053)
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Lets Hope Wahlstrom is not a good enough skater for the NHL....The Ottawa trade was just pure stupidity
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Posted 2018-06-23 7:34 AM (#707056 - in reply to #702887)
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...And we have the balls to make fun of Bergevin, Chiarelli etc....
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Posted 2018-06-23 7:35 AM (#707057 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-23 7:38 AM (#707058 - in reply to #702887)
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TB gives Dan Girardi a 2 year contract....but somehow we could only buy him out? We traded a tough young forward in JT for Names who everybody is saying to trade for picks?
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Posted 2018-06-23 7:42 AM (#707059 - in reply to #702887)
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9. New York Rangers - Vitali Kravtsov, RW, Chelyabinsk (RUS)
NHL Central Scouting: No. 3 (International skaters)

As one of the youngest players in the Kontinental Hockey League this season, Kravtsov (6-3, 184), a left-hand shot, had four goals and three assists in 35 games for Traktor Chelyabinsk. He made his mark in the playoffs with 11 points (six goals, five assists) in 16 games. Named the KHL rookie of the year, Kravtsov plays a mature, strong game as a power forward. When he matures and fills out, he'll be extremely difficult to contain.

NHL.com analysis: The right wing didn't see much ice time during the regular season in the KHL, but his season took off during the KHL playoffs with 11 points (six goals, five assists) in 16 games. He could be a strong complement to centers Lias Andersson and Filip Chytil, the Rangers first-round selections in the 2017 NHL Draft.
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Posted 2018-06-23 7:42 AM (#707060 - in reply to #702887)
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22. New York Rangers (from Ottawa Senators) - K'Andre Miller, D, USA U-18 (USHL)
NHL Central Scouting: No. 23 (North American skaters)

Miller (6-3, 198) started playing defenseman three seasons ago when his coach at Minnetonka High School (Minnesota) suggested he try it to strengthen their defense. He had 29 points (nine goals, 20 assists), two shorthanded goals, a plus-23 rating and 103 shots on goal for the USNTDP in 2017-18. Committed to the University of Wisconsin, Miller has the skill set to be an elite defenseman; he is long and rangy, has a good defensive stick, and is a solid skater.

NHL.com analysis: The Rangers traded up with the Senators to select Miller, who has one of the highest ceilings of any player in the draft. He's only been a defenseman for three seasons, and he'll continue to develop at the University of Wisconsin.
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Posted 2018-06-23 7:43 AM (#707061 - in reply to #702887)
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28. New York Rangers - Nils Lundkvist, D, Pitea (SWE)
NHL Central Scouting: No. 14 (International skaters)

Lundkvist (5-11, 172), No. 14 in Central Scouting's final list of International skaters, is a right-shot defenseman who had 14 points (three goals, 11 assists) in 26 games in Sweden's junior league and earned his first chance to play against men in the SHL as a 17-year-old. He skates well enough to carry the puck deep into the offensive zone and has the speed to track back on defense in transition. He moved up from No. 41 in NHL Central Scouting's midterm ranking.

NHL.com analysis: Lundkvist shot up the Central Scouting rankings because of his high-end offensive game, going from No. 41 among International skaters in the midterm to No. 14. The Rangers added three young defensemen before the trade deadline in Ryan Lindgren, Yegor Rykov and Libor Hajek, and now with Miller and Lundkvist in the first round of the draft, New York has done a solid job adding depth at the position.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-23 7:43 AM (#707062 - in reply to #702887)
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The only saving grace from last nite is that Bob said the first 12 picks....every scout had all of them in the top 5 at some point
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Posted 2018-06-23 7:45 AM (#707063 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-23 8:03 AM (#707064 - in reply to #707063)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-23 9:45 AM

Kravstov = Evgeny Grachev
Miller = Sean Day
Nils = This is the last we will ever hear from him


Step away from the computer. You are going to give yourself an aneurysm.
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Posted 2018-06-23 8:39 AM (#707065 - in reply to #707063)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-23 9:45 AM

Kravstov = Evgeny Grachev
Miller = Sean Day
Nils = This is the last we will ever hear from him


You're thinking with your heart and not your head. You're comparing first rounders to third rounders. You have all three first rounders as busts. Please reserve judgement on these guys for at least two years. We still don't know the ceiling on Andersson and Chytil. I'll wait until the end of the 2019 season to make that call. Currently, I'm not convinced with either being a top 6.
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:04 AM (#707066 - in reply to #707042)
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robstones - 2018-06-23 5:32 AM

NYR # 1 - 2018-06-23 6:51 AM

Here's my take. We have way too many dmen prospects. We have way too many RFA's to sign them all. We have nearly 30 mill in cap space. Gorton has to be active today/over the next 8 or 9 days. If he is not we are going to field a team of mostly kids that will be a lower level team next season. I have to think some moves to improve are coming. It is difficult to rebuild without top 3 picks, so if that is his only plan we may be bad for 3 or 4 years at least.

I will also add, the trade he made last night was terrible. Said it at the time, and say it again now in the light of day. To deal a mid-2nd rounder to move up 4 spots to # 22 is ridiculous really. Double so when you consider the Blues dealt a pick in the 70's to move up 4 spots to 25. That was an awful move by Gorton, he WAY overpaid. The only saving grace is he must really like Miller to give up a valuable pick like that to move up a mere 4 spots in the 20's.

Gorton needs to get his stick on the ice and start improving this team, not just with 17 and 18 year olds that are 3 years away from making an impact.






Yeah not only did he like Miller, but The Wild took a defenseman at 24 and Ottawa who we traded with also too a defenseman at 26.... based on who ottawa picked at 26, I don't think they drafted for best player.

So The Rangers got their guy. Maybe they overpaid, but the pick could be expendable depending what Gorton has up his sleeve for today.

Namestnikov could get us that pick back, or some other trade in the works.

I don't know how trading on the floor works for sure, but something tells me these GMs have talked to eachother prior to being on the clock


If Miller just comes close to the ceiling that people say he has, I would have gladly given away both second round picks for him.
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:08 AM (#707067 - in reply to #707055)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-23 9:33 AM

Lets Hope Wahlstrom is not a good enough skater for the NHL....The Ottawa trade was just pure stupidity


Until K'Andre becomes an elite #1 D. I didn't research him much before the draft because I was looking at RHD.... only reason I favored Bode Wilde.

Miller has all the things I liked about Bode, only he doesn't have the downside I kept reading about saying he makes bonehead mistakes. If he pans out, he'll be a beast
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:10 AM (#707068 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:11 AM (#707069 - in reply to #702887)
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Something to think about....

Quinn will be implementing a new system, maybe these three #1's fit that system better than the other players that we thought the Rangers might draft.

Nobody enjoys having ti be patient, but thats what we need to be.
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:16 AM (#707070 - in reply to #702887)
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Kovy to the Kings
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:17 AM (#707071 - in reply to #702887)
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Rangers take a goalie at 39
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:18 AM (#707072 - in reply to #702887)
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Rangers up..... they pick: the first goalie Olof Lindbom

Are they worried about Shestyorkin?

No kovy
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:20 AM (#707074 - in reply to #707064)
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x10003q - 2018-06-23 10:03 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-06-23 9:45 AM

Kravstov = Evgeny Grachev
Miller = Sean Day
Nils = This is the last we will ever hear from him


Step away from the computer. You are going to give yourself an aneurysm.

Lol haha I think i had one last nite....Im still hopeful
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:21 AM (#707075 - in reply to #702887)
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Fish sticks take Wilde, another guy we thought the Rangers would take
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:21 AM (#707076 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:21 AM (#707077 - in reply to #707065)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-23 9:45 AM

Kravstov = Evgeny Grachev
Miller = Sean Day
Nils = This is the last we will ever hear from him


You're thinking with your heart and not your head. You're comparing first rounders to third rounders. You have all three first rounders as busts. Please reserve judgement on these guys for at least two years. We still don't know the ceiling on Andersson and Chytil. I'll wait until the end of the 2019 season to make that call. Currently, I'm not convinced with either being a top 6.

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Posted 2018-06-23 9:23 AM (#707078 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:23 AM (#707079 - in reply to #702887)
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Why on Earth are we taking a Goalie?
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:25 AM (#707080 - in reply to #702887)
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:31 AM (#707081 - in reply to #702887)
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Another reach into the depths. Look at some of the ratings.


https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl-entry-draft-picks-2018/2018/6...
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:34 AM (#707082 - in reply to #707081)
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Another reach into the depths. Look at some of the ratings.


https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl-entry-draft-picks-2018/2018/6...

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Posted 2018-06-23 9:37 AM (#707083 - in reply to #702887)
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This is kind of embarrassing now. Tired of the Rangers thinking they are smarter than everyone else with their ridiculous draft board that is wrong most of the time.



At 39, the Rangers have selected Swedish goalie Olof Lindbom, the first goalie selected in the draft.

He was ranked 59th by The Hockey News and as the 4th best goalie in the draft by McKeens.

He was ranked 91st by McKeens, 251 by Future Considerations, 9th best goalie by ISS, 137th by Hockey Prospect and 53rd by TSN.

TSN's Craig Button said, "strong positioning and doesn't beat himself. Reads plays and is very attuned to the challenges coming his way. Good skill."

His skills were listed by Button as 4/5 for competitiveness and net coverage, 3.5/5 in shill, quickness and rebound control.

With all of the prospects they have, I did not expect the Rangers to go goalie this early in the draft. Obviously he was high on their board and he had some good success for Sweden at international tournaments. He was a teammate at times with Nils Lundqkvist so the Rangers must have seen him a lot and view him as someone who, down the line, could possibly be a starting goalie for the Rangers.


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Posted 2018-06-23 9:39 AM (#707084 - in reply to #707063)
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-23 9:45 AM

Kravstov = Evgeny Grachev
Miller = Sean Day
Nils = This is the last we will ever hear from him


My guess is you'll never hear from any of them again, pretty much the norm for our draft picks.
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:43 AM (#707085 - in reply to #702887)
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So,

If he was high on their board, and he's had some success for Sweden, and they view him as a possible starting goalie, why is it embarrassing?
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Posted 2018-06-23 9:45 AM (#707086 - in reply to #702887)
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Yeah not sure about this one. We'll certainly be keeping track of his progress

Carolina takes Drury a few picks later haha
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