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Killorn has a NTC....Hell No on Johnson...too small...If we are going to help TB get Tavares...then the pot has to be sweet
Conversation is probably moot. Just saw this: "It’s out there that his favored destinations are the Islanders, Leafs, and Sharks." Personally, there isn't anyone on TB that would interest me enough to take on a weighty contract.
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-29 10:09 AM
Killorn has a NTC....Hell No on Johnson...too small...If we are going to help TB get Tavares...then the pot has to be sweet
Conversation is probably moot. Just saw this: "It’s out there that his favored destinations are the Islanders, Leafs, and Sharks." Personally, there isn't anyone on TB that would interest me enough to take on a weighty contract.
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| Mikey Red - 2018-06-29 10:09 AM
Killorn has a NTC....Hell No on Johnson...too small...If we are going to help TB get Tavares...then the pot has to be sweet
He may have a NTC, but I'm not making this stuff up
https://www.nhl.com/news/john-tavares-signing-would-force-tampa-bay-...
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-29 10:09 AM
Killorn has a NTC....Hell No on Johnson...too small...If we are going to help TB get Tavares...then the pot has to be sweet
Conversation is probably moot. Just saw this: "It’s out there that his favored destinations are the Islanders, Leafs, and Sharks." Personally, there isn't anyone on TB that would interest me enough to take on a weighty contract.
And I did watch interview with front office guy from San Jose on NHL Network last night and he sounded pretty confident that Tavares could be landing there. So yeah - Lightning may be out of the running.
My point in earlier post with regard to TB was only in response to the example of picking up Callahan's contract - would rather pick up Killorn if a) Tavares goes to TB and b) The Rangers decide to 'help out' a team keeping Tavares away from the Isles. |
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Location: USA | sureshore - 2018-06-29 8:45 AM
With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.
Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.
Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.
JMHO
The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract) |
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| sureshore - 2018-06-29 11:31 AM
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Mikey Red - 2018-06-29 10:09 AM
Killorn has a NTC....Hell No on Johnson...too small...If we are going to help TB get Tavares...then the pot has to be sweet
Conversation is probably moot. Just saw this: "It’s out there that his favored destinations are the Islanders, Leafs, and Sharks." Personally, there isn't anyone on TB that would interest me enough to take on a weighty contract.
And I did watch interview with front office guy from San Jose on NHL Network last night and he sounded pretty confident that Tavares could be landing there. So yeah - Lightning may be out of the running.
My point in earlier post with regard to TB was only in response to the example of picking up Callahan's contract - would rather pick up Killorn if a ) Tavares goes to TB and b ) The Rangers decide to 'help out' a team keeping Tavares away from the Isles.
Hope he stays with the Asslanders, let them tie up a bunch of years and money on 1 player...All for that |
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| concust - 2018-06-29 12:11 PM
sureshore - 2018-06-29 8:45 AM
With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.
Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.
Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.
JMHO
The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract ) |
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Location: USA | Mjolnir - 2018-06-29 11:49 AM
concust - 2018-06-29 12:11 PM
sureshore - 2018-06-29 8:45 AM
With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.
Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.
Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.
JMHO
The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract ) The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.
Right... and the worse of a contract you take (Callahan) the better the return should be, versus taking on Killorn's contract. |
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It's been reported that JT has said something like, he doesn't feel loyalty to the new team management (Lou, Trotz) like he felt loyalty to the old team that he made promises to (Snow, Weight)
Islander fans are incensed that JT would have any loyalty to Snow. They're ready to run him out of town.
IMO he's laying the groundwork for leaving and they're playing right into his hands.
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He's young enough that if he wants to win a Cup here, he can work towards that during the length of his contract.... the rebuild should scare him.
He's old enough to be considered a mentor/vet.... so to top off the dream of being a NYR, he may even get a letter on his sweater....
And we have the cap space to pay him what he wants/deserves on the open market.
JVR has character.... right? I think so...
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Assuming a contract isn’t a issue I’d take Zuccarello over JVR, because of his leadership and character and the respect he commands. I think he looks around the room in training camp and he will step up in a big way and lead, and as I said earlier will have his best year as a Ranger. |
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Not the end of the world. Trade for Lucic and Jesse Puljujarvi, for Brendan Smith and a fifth. Edmonton would kill to get rid of that deal, Lucic just needs out of there and find his game in a hard to play against team mode the Rangers are pursuing. Plus he will mash any and all transgressors. You can always figure out a way to dump him in three years if you need to. Puljujarvi has been a borderline bust and could also use a new address. Chiarelli has proven he’s not exactly the sharpest tack in the box so you never know what you might get out of him.
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Not the end of the world. Trade for Lucic and Jesse Puljujarvi, for Brendan Smith and a fifth. Edmonton would kill to get rid of that deal, Lucic just needs out of there and find his game in a hard to play against team mode the Rangers are pursuing. Plus he will mash any and all transgressors. You can always figure out a way to dump him in three years if you need to. Puljujarvi has been a borderline bust and could also use a new address. Chiarelli has proven he’s not exactly the sharpest tack in the box so you never know what you might get out of him.
Lucic is far from done he just needs a new start. He’s got three or four decent years left and can actually play a little.
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I gotta admit...Zuc passes just way way too much it drives me crazy
I agree he could shoot more, and if the Rangers brass agrees, that should be in the notes about players passed onto Quinn to use as he analyses game tapes seeing what he’s got. It’s a given Quinn has to educate himself about what he’s got by watching game tapes and you can bet management provides him with a book of info on their players. It’s how it’s done in lessor leagues. Quinn will soon know if he and management are on the same player assessment page after comparing his views on the game tapes to managements player reports.
I have a lot of hopes Quinn is actually going to work on players shortcomings, weaknesses, and bad habits instead of ignoring them and eventually getting rid of them because they couldn’t find their game on their own. Getting Zucc to shoot more isn’t rocket science if the player accepts the observation and coaches work with him to address it. |
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Not the end of the world. Trade for Lucic and Jesse Puljujarvi, for Brendan Smith and a fifth. Edmonton would kill to get rid of that deal, Lucic just needs out of there and find his game in a hard to play against team mode the Rangers are pursuing. Plus he will mash any and all transgressors. You can always figure out a way to dump him in three years if you need to. Puljujarvi has been a borderline bust and could also use a new address. Chiarelli has proven he’s not exactly the sharpest tack in the box so you never know what you might get out of him.
Lucic is far from done he just needs a new start. He’s got three or four decent years left and can actually play a little.
Yep I agree...Id even try for RNH too
I don’t know about RNH at 6 mill per year your adding $12,000,000 between him and Lucic that’s a lot of cap. RNH adds to the center conundrum even though he has played some wing, but he cuts into Chytil in particulars presumed position by being the same type of player. I think you have a better chance with Puljujarvi’s potential over RNH who has probably almost topped out as a piece of a team with no expectation of him ever becoming a key piece. Puljujarvi oozes talent watch him play, there must be a thing between him and coach and it happens, he’s definitely worth a shot if the Rangers could ever pry him out of there. |
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| Mikey Red - 2018-06-29 7:51 PM
I guess if I was able to pull off RNH...I would look to move Zib or Hayes for a stud D....but A big kid at 20 would be nice too
I hear you but I’m not sure RNH is a big improvement over Hayes maybe Zib, I think it’s a stretch to get him and Lucic without giving up something more significant than Smith. Losing Sniths cap is a win in itself and substantially cuts down the Lucic hit. The Rangers would be in better shape with Lucic’s Cap hit especially if the loss of Smith’s cap reduces the Lucic’s hit. And a guy like Puljujarvi just might take off. If Edmonton wants to move Lucic and really feels the need it might be one of the better opportunities for Gorton to get something good back and Lucic is not done either. Plus the Rangers need a guy like that can ride shotgun and play a little.
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With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.
Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.
Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.
JMHO
The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract ) The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.
You can only bury 900 K or so of a contract in the minors. Anything above that stays on the NHL cap. So a player with a 4.9 mill cap hit still counts for 4 mill against the NHL cap even in the minors. Plus if the player has a NMC you cannot send them down without their okay.
So in today's NHL burying them in the minors does not work.
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Logic still says that Name or Spoon gets dealt. And Hayes or Zib gets dealt.
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sureshore - 2018-06-29 8:45 AM
With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.
Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.
Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.
JMHO
The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract ) The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.
You can only bury 900 K or so of a contract in the minors. Anything above that stays on the NHL cap. So a player with a 4.9 mill cap hit still counts for 4 mill against the NHL cap even in the minors. Plus if the player has a NMC you cannot send them down without their okay.
So in today's NHL burying them in the minors does not work.
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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.
That contract is pure stupidity....That is the reason you had to trade MacDonagh....That is why the Isles should of traded Tavares...Even if he stays with the Isles its gonna be a terrible contract later on |
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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.
Your very noble leaving 16 million of Doughty's money on the table to win. I bet you would you would love to give up 20 % of your income so your employer could hire better people. |
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sureshore - 2018-06-29 8:45 AM
With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.
Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.
Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.
JMHO
The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract ) The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.
You can only bury 900 K or so of a contract in the minors. Anything above that stays on the NHL cap. So a player with a 4.9 mill cap hit still counts for 4 mill against the NHL cap even in the minors. Plus if the player has a NMC you cannot send them down without their okay.
So in today's NHL burying them in the minors does not work.
I know how much you can bury in the minors....taking on a bad contract does not mean you have to give that player a roster spot.
I hear you. Just because we take on a bad contract doesn't mean we have to take a roster spot from a kid. We can put a player in the minors or scratch them. Don't disagree. More likely though is if we take on a bad deal and get a good asset, we'll probably just play that guy in a 3rd line role. Say a Lucic or Ryan or Cally or someone like that.
I would not be opposed to taking on one bad deal (of 1 or 2 years max) if we get a good future asset as well. I think it is smart given our cap space, and the fact that we aren't going to be very good this coming year anyway.
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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.
Your very noble leaving 16 million of Doughty's money on the table to win. I bet you would you would love to give up 20 % of your income so your employer could hire better people.
Actually yeah I think I would. 88 mill or 68 mill, when I just came off of a 60 mill deal, I think you are good. In a capped sports league, not corporate America, I think I would. Plus I guarantee he gets very good endorsement money. We see it is sports more and more. Look at the Warriors, or the Heat with LeBron, or Brady.
So yeah I think I'd make a killing but do it within reason so my team could add another player or two.
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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.
Your very noble leaving 16 million of Doughty's money on the table to win. I bet you would you would love to give up 20 % of your income so your employer could hire better people.
Actually yeah I think I would. 88 mill or 68 mill, when I just came off of a 60 mill deal, I think you are good. In a capped sports league, not corporate America, I think I would. Plus I guarantee he gets very good endorsement money. We see it is sports more and more. Look at the Warriors, or the Heat with LeBron, or Brady.
So yeah I think I'd make a killing but do it within reason so my team could add another player or two.
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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.
Your very noble leaving 16 million of Doughty's money on the table to win. I bet you would you would love to give up 20 % of your income so your employer could hire better people.
Actually yeah I think I would. 88 mill or 68 mill, when I just came off of a 60 mill deal, I think you are good. In a capped sports league, not corporate America, I think I would. Plus I guarantee he gets very good endorsement money. We see it is sports more and more. Look at the Warriors, or the Heat with LeBron, or Brady.
So yeah I think I'd make a killing but do it within reason so my team could add another player or two.
Swell.
Agreed.
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