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Mjolnir
Posted 2018-06-30 7:35 AM (#707480 - in reply to #707474)
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With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

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The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract)
The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.

You can only bury 900 K or so of a contract in the minors. Anything above that stays on the NHL cap. So a player with a 4.9 mill cap hit still counts for 4 mill against the NHL cap even in the minors. Plus if the player has a NMC you cannot send them down without their okay.

So in today's NHL burying them in the minors does not work.


I know how much you can bury in the minors....taking on a bad contract does not mean you have to give that player a roster spot.

I hear you. Just because we take on a bad contract doesn't mean we have to take a roster spot from a kid. We can put a player in the minors or scratch them. Don't disagree. More likely though is if we take on a bad deal and get a good asset, we'll probably just play that guy in a 3rd line role. Say a Lucic or Ryan or Cally or someone like that.

I would not be opposed to taking on one bad deal (of 1 or 2 years max) if we get a good future asset as well. I think it is smart given our cap space, and the fact that we aren't going to be very good this coming year anyway.

I doubt they'll take on a bad contract just to put them on the third line. That's just plain stupid. That player is more likely than not close to worthless above the 4th line - and you can find a serviceable and useful 4th liner for $900,000.
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Go NYR
Posted 2018-06-30 7:41 AM (#707481 - in reply to #707472)
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BTW...I think the Doughty contract is insane. Nearly an 11 mill cap hit until he is 37. That is so crazy. I also think if Doughty really wanted to win maybe he'd take a little less, like 9 mill per +/-.




That contract is pure stupidity....That is the reason you had to trade MacDonagh....That is why the Isles should of traded Tavares...Even if he stays with the Isles its gonna be a terrible contract later on

Going to be very difficult to build a team long term with Doughty at 11 mill per and Kopitar at 10 mill per. Kovy at 6.25 mill per for 3-years. A lot of money there (Doughty doesn't go up to 11 until next season). I am not a fan of what the Kings are doing. And when Doughty is 33 or 34 the last 3 years of that deal will be god awful.

In the NHL I think the new way to operate is not sign these insane UFA/UFA to be huge deals unless it is McDavid or Crosby or OV. Just absolute studs, but even then I try to stay under 10 mill cap hit wise. Crosby and OV and Malkin are under 10 mill cap hits. I think when you start getting over 10 mill cap hit wise for one player you are really flirting with disaster. The Oilers were in a terrible spot as they absolutely had to resign McDavid for his crazy cap hit (12.5 mill). Look at the Hawks with Toews and Kane, 10.5 each. I think the Kings with Kopitar at 10 and Doughty at 11 after this season are in trouble. One player at 10 or more is tough. Having multiple players at 10 or more on one team is almost crazy.


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Posted 2018-06-30 7:44 AM (#707482 - in reply to #707480)
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Go NYR - 2018-06-30 7:01 AM

Mjolnir - 2018-06-29 10:49 AM

concust - 2018-06-29 12:11 PM

sureshore - 2018-06-29 8:45 AM

With regards to TB and picking up a contract (or 2) if they sign Tavares, a couple of contracts they may be looking to move are Tyler Johnson and Alex Killorn. Think I'd much rather have Killorn than Callahan, even if his contract has 5 years left at 4.45 per AAV. Plays hard, can PK and is also a pain in the butt every time the Rangers play them. still just 28yo so could be part of the rebuild at a controlled amount.

Johnson - think I'd stay away. His contract is a year longer at 5.0 per AAV and while a year younger, his numbers are trending downward already. Also, while Killorn is 6'1, 200lbs, Johnson is 5'8, 180ish.

Not sure they'd send a draft pick along too, but Killorn could also be that character guy/mentor they're looking for as well.

JMHO


The whole point is to take on TB's worst contract, the least efficient one when you look at on-ice performance vs cap hit, which at this point is almost definitely Callahan's. That's how you get the most value in return from them. I don't have a problem with either Killorn or Johnson but they're not significantly overpaid so TB would not be motivated to make those moves. Or, we'd get less (which misses the whole point of taking on a bad contract)
The bad contract isn't really the question -- you can dump that player in the minors and forget about it. the real concern is what you get in return for taking the contract.

You can only bury 900 K or so of a contract in the minors. Anything above that stays on the NHL cap. So a player with a 4.9 mill cap hit still counts for 4 mill against the NHL cap even in the minors. Plus if the player has a NMC you cannot send them down without their okay.

So in today's NHL burying them in the minors does not work.


I know how much you can bury in the minors....taking on a bad contract does not mean you have to give that player a roster spot.

I hear you. Just because we take on a bad contract doesn't mean we have to take a roster spot from a kid. We can put a player in the minors or scratch them. Don't disagree. More likely though is if we take on a bad deal and get a good asset, we'll probably just play that guy in a 3rd line role. Say a Lucic or Ryan or Cally or someone like that.

I would not be opposed to taking on one bad deal (of 1 or 2 years max) if we get a good future asset as well. I think it is smart given our cap space, and the fact that we aren't going to be very good this coming year anyway.

I doubt they'll take on a bad contract just to put them on the third line. That's just plain stupid. That player is more likely than not close to worthless above the 4th line - and you can find a serviceable and useful 4th liner for $900,000.

I disagree. If you have a ton of cap space, you aren't winning anything anyway, and you get a good asset to do it, for a year or two I have zero issue with that. And 3rd line/4th line all the same. Bottom 6 role for a guy like that. I can see us doing it and I can see us not doing it. Really depends on what asset we'd get to make it worthwhile.


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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-30 7:49 AM (#707484 - in reply to #706448)
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Giving a monster contract to a guy who is closing in on 30 whos been in the league 8 or 9 years already is not good cap management...If you have a jewel of a young player....you lock him up for long term then
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Go NYR
Posted 2018-06-30 7:55 AM (#707485 - in reply to #706448)
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Agreed Red. Man I hate this NHL over restrictive hard cap. Hurts the league I believe and tears teams apart. I am all for caps in sports leagues, but this one is way too restrictive and prohibitive.







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Mjolnir
Posted 2018-06-30 8:10 AM (#707486 - in reply to #707482)
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I disagree. If you have a ton of cap space, you aren't winning anything anyway, and you get a good asset to do it, for a year or two I have zero issue with that. And 3rd line/4th line all the same. Bottom 6 role for a guy like that. I can see us doing it and I can see us not doing it. Really depends on what asset we'd get to make it worthwhile.


Even if I'm not going anywhere, I don't waste a top 9 spot on a scrub.
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Posted 2018-06-30 8:13 AM (#707487 - in reply to #706448)
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For a good asset I absolutely would (for 1 or 2 years tops). If I didn't get that asset I agree I would not either.





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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-30 8:15 AM (#707488 - in reply to #707486)
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I disagree. If you have a ton of cap space, you aren't winning anything anyway, and you get a good asset to do it, for a year or two I have zero issue with that. And 3rd line/4th line all the same. Bottom 6 role for a guy like that. I can see us doing it and I can see us not doing it. Really depends on what asset we'd get to make it worthwhile.


Even if I'm not going anywhere, I don't waste a top 9 spot on a scrub.

MJ Nash wants you to pick him up at the Amtrak station when he signs back with us lol
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Posted 2018-06-30 8:25 AM (#707489 - in reply to #706448)
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I'll gladly pick Riley up.
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Posted 2018-06-30 8:26 AM (#707490 - in reply to #707487)
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For a good asset I absolutely would (for 1 or 2 years tops). If I didn't get that asset I agree I would not either.



The only reason to take the scrub and contract is to get a good asset. As I've stated, there is no need to put them in your lineup.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-30 8:27 AM (#707491 - in reply to #707489)
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I'll gladly pick Riley up.

hahaha
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Mjolnir
Posted 2018-06-30 11:16 AM (#707495 - in reply to #707491)
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I'll gladly pick Riley up.

hahaha
If it's the other one, I'll "accidentally" lose him in Newark.
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Go NYR
Posted 2018-06-30 12:54 PM (#707497 - in reply to #706448)
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One theory I saw on Tavares is he signs a mega one year max dollar deal with Toronto now. Then come 1/1/19 he is eligible to sign an 8-year extension with the Leafs (he can only sign for 7-years with them currently). Now that makes sense to me and is an answer as to why he'd potentially only sign for one year right now. The risk is he'll have to play from Oct-Jan with no long term security, but come Jan 1 he can immediately sign for the full 8-years with the Leafs. So it would be a 2.5 month risk for Tavares to do that (my assumption is the Leafs would give him a wink and a nod that they'd extend him for 8-years on Jan 1).


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Posted 2018-06-30 2:49 PM (#707498 - in reply to #706448)
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1 year contract is risky no... can he be insured for anything after 1 year? Catastrophic injury could blow that shlt up no?
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Posted 2018-06-30 5:35 PM (#707500 - in reply to #706448)
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Insurance is available and very expensive when you are insuring 8 years times $12,000,000.
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Posted 2018-06-30 6:32 PM (#707501 - in reply to #706448)
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If he signs for one year only he will take out a large insurance policy for sure. And I will also add if he does sign for one year, and then come Jan 1st signs for 8 more with the Leafs, that will be the next "loop hole" Bettman will close during the next CBA discussions...you can count on that.

Sounds like Isles, Leafs or Sharks. And if we don't hear Isles tonight I think they are out because that would mean he could only resign with them for 7 years not 8, and why would he stay for lesser years/money. So the Isles deadline is tonight I believe.


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Posted 2018-06-30 8:32 PM (#707502 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-06-30 8:35 PM (#707503 - in reply to #706448)
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No to Leo.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-06-30 9:04 PM (#707504 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 3:51 AM (#707505 - in reply to #706448)
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No surprise to me. We are simply not getting involved in anything big. We will stay the course this year and go bottom 6/toughness/depth dmen.

I can live with one offseason/season like this, especially if it nets us a top 3 pick, but we need to be back at it next summer/season.

I also expect some trades. Name or Spoon, maybe Hayes or Zib, and maybe Zucc (I guess the only reason they'd keep him is for leadership).



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Posted 2018-07-01 3:55 AM (#707506 - in reply to #706448)
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Just read it could be a 5 year deal with a 7 mill cap hit for JVR. I like him but that would not have been a smart move for us.



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Posted 2018-07-01 5:41 AM (#707507 - in reply to #706448)
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They can have him.
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Posted 2018-07-01 6:37 AM (#707508 - in reply to #706448)
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So far the trend is to resign with your team.
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:13 AM (#707509 - in reply to #706448)
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Expect basically nothing today unless its a trade..
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-01 7:15 AM (#707510 - in reply to #706448)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-01 7:17 AM (#707511 - in reply to #706448)
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Sounds like Stasny is not re signing with Winnipeg....So that means they will need Hayes
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:17 AM (#707512 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:40 AM (#707513 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:41 AM (#707514 - in reply to #706448)
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On Karlsson chatter: As mentioned earlier this week and as of then, told there are 3 teams (VGK, NYR & ?) speaking to Sens about Karlsson/Ryan combo. Roughly 6-7 others on Karlsson, alone. Believe COL & TB have had talks on Karlsson.



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Posted 2018-07-01 7:45 AM (#707515 - in reply to #706448)
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I'll say this on Karlsson, the Rangers need an elite talent to really be an elite team. Now that does not need to be Karlsson, maybe one of the kids we have develops into that, and it certainly doesn't have to happen this summer if we are not going to be that good this coming season anyway, but we do need that guy if we really want to be that team.

If taking Ryan lowers the price, and we can get Karlsson without gutting everything, I wouldn't be opposed, but 99% we are not really in on anything with him anyway.

And sound like LV will be adding Stastny.



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Posted 2018-07-01 7:47 AM (#707516 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:49 AM (#707517 - in reply to #706448)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-01 8:27 AM (#707519 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:31 AM (#707520 - in reply to #706448)
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No surprise there. Seems unlikely we'd get in on that.

As for Name, that is why people don't trust these Russians. Could be a ploy to raise his price, but who really knows. Also hurts Rangers ability to potentially deal him. Russians...



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Posted 2018-07-01 8:32 AM (#707521 - in reply to #706448)
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I want to see Hayes to Winnipeg for Trouba
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