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robstones
Posted 2018-07-01 2:43 PM (#707628 - in reply to #707615)
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1 year deal worth 700 K. 3rd pair L shot dman. Doesn't impact what we still may (or may not) do.





7th Defenseman at worst. Bottom pair at best. I hear you can't go wrong with Swedish defensemen....

Can't be worse than Holden
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Posted 2018-07-01 2:46 PM (#707629 - in reply to #706448)
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With signing of Namestnikov and no free agents of impact/value available, only way for Rangers to change immediate dynamic is to trade Hayes or Zibanejad. Jets lost Stastny but told no interest in swapping Trouba for one of the two NYR centers.
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Posted 2018-07-01 2:49 PM (#707630 - in reply to #706448)
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Yeah, 3 mill AAV not awful, but 4 year terms is too long for a player like Komarov.


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Posted 2018-07-01 2:51 PM (#707631 - in reply to #706448)
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Well, Gorton has gotten paid really well for very little work the past couple of weekends. Could be their plan is we go with 22 forwards, 7 C's and a questionable D. Numbers don't add up to me, but maybe this is their plan in a total punt of a year for us. 1st pick or bust next season.


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Posted 2018-07-01 3:00 PM (#707632 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 3:04 PM (#707633 - in reply to #706448)
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Forwards are "okay", but nothing dynamic. D is very lacking with many huge unknowns (throw Smith in mix also). And goalie is solid. That is not a playoff team. That is a low level team. I would think a top 5 pick team. Doubt it is bad enough to be 1 or 2, but after that we are right there.

Once again, good by me if this is a one year pause. Let the kids play and grow, add a top 3 or so pick, and then back in the game next offseason. Works for me, but we need to be back in the game next summer.



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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-01 3:21 PM (#707634 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 3:32 PM (#707635 - in reply to #706448)
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I don't know if we'll be that bad with a much better coach, Hank in net and some decent forwards and depth upfront. But I do agree it is going to be a very long year. Sure be a bottom 5 team, and bottom 3 is certainly in play. All good...trust the process next season. One step back to take three steps forward next summer.



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Posted 2018-07-01 3:36 PM (#707636 - in reply to #706448)
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The problem with that is they wont take Jack Hughes...they will take a Euro kid...because this Front Office is inept
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Posted 2018-07-01 3:42 PM (#707637 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 3:47 PM (#707638 - in reply to #707636)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-01 3:36 PM

The problem with that is they wont take Jack Hughes...they will take a Euro kid...because this Front Office is inept

Funny...and true....


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Posted 2018-07-01 3:48 PM (#707639 - in reply to #707614)
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Go NYR - 2018-07-01 12:24 PM

I think it all started with Snow not putting pressure on Tavares. He should have said resign or we deal you by the trade DL. Tough tactics, but that's what you have to do in situations like this. Snow essentially said we'll let it wait until after the season and take you at your word that you want to stay in LI.

If he truly wanted to stay though, why did he have to wait to resign...because it was never a lock. Sure JT said I want to see what you will do around me...yada yada yada...but you cannot allow that in a situation like this regardless of Tavares saying I want to be an Islander with no guarantee. Dumb Snow.






Try to keep it real, your dumb if you think the Tavares situation was all on Snow. Not trading Tavares was on the ownership. It’s documented. Not even Snow is that stupid.
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Posted 2018-07-01 4:05 PM (#707640 - in reply to #706448)
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Totally agree. I said it was awful ownership as well, they were pulling the strings. The perfect storm really. An inept GM, terrible ownership and a player who said the words but didn't do anything action wise to back those words up.

The perfect capper for what has been a terribly run franchise. We'll see if Lou can turn things around running the hockey ops. I bet he does on some level because I would almost promise you Tavares never happens under Lou. Either he resigns earlier because Lou put an actual team around him OR Lou tells the awful owners we have to trade him if he doesn't sign by the trade DL.




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Posted 2018-07-01 4:08 PM (#707641 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 4:14 PM (#707642 - in reply to #707636)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-01 5:36 PM

The problem with that is they wont take Jack Hughes...they will take a Euro kid...because this Front Office is inept


They'll find some Hugo Kutyakakov obscure winger...

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-01 4:18 PM (#707643 - in reply to #707642)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2018-07-01 6:14 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-07-01 5:36 PM

The problem with that is they wont take Jack Hughes...they will take a Euro kid...because this Front Office is inept


The'll find some Hugo Kutyakakov obscure winger...

hahaha yep
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Posted 2018-07-01 4:24 PM (#707644 - in reply to #707642)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2018-07-01 6:14 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-07-01 5:36 PM

The problem with that is they wont take Jack Hughes...they will take a Euro kid...because this Front Office is inept


The'll find some Hugo Kutyakakov obscure winger...
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Posted 2018-07-01 4:41 PM (#707645 - in reply to #706448)
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Almost July 2 and Names, Spoons, Zuc, Hayes, Zib are still here and we drafted a Goalie with our 2nd round pick
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Posted 2018-07-01 5:18 PM (#707646 - in reply to #706448)
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Lay off Gorton, he had a vacation planned and is away...sure when he gets back he'll clean up our 6 RFA's and 6 C issue....


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Posted 2018-07-01 5:19 PM (#707647 - in reply to #706448)
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Posted 2018-07-01 5:22 PM (#707648 - in reply to #706448)
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It’s pretty obvious after today the Rangers are looking for a bottom seven type finish and hoping for some lottery luck at next years draft. And if they didn’t know they do now, trading a Zucc or Zib ect at the deadline to a contender yields a first with minimal value over a high second. They have to figure out a way to get more than one chip in the draft lottery and hope like hell. Those late first round picks traditionally just don’t have much value to do that. Gorton appears committed to a longer term rebuild and he needs some luck at the draft to get the necessary superstar to build around. There is no quick fix to this unless the kids in the system all take substantial steps in development by the 19-20 season.
Your going to find out real quick how good Quinn is getting a young team out of the gate and is he a sustainer. It’s pretty much in his hands now. He’s probably real aware of how much heat might be coming his way. Instilling his virtues of toughness, grit, hard to play against is almost a suicide mission with the hand he’s sitting on.
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Posted 2018-07-01 5:32 PM (#707649 - in reply to #707648)
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Rranger - 2018-07-01 5:22 PM

It’s pretty obvious after today the Rangers are looking for a bottom seven type finish and hoping for some lottery luck at next years draft. And if they didn’t know they do now, trading a Zucc or Zib ect at the deadline to a contender yields a first with minimal value over a high second. They have to figure out a way to get more than one chip in the draft lottery and hope like hell. Those late first round picks traditionally just don’t have much value to do that. Gorton appears committed to a longer term rebuild and he needs some luck at the draft to get the necessary superstar to build around. There is no quick fix to this unless the kids in the system all take substantial steps in development by the 19-20 season.
Your going to find out real quick how good Quinn is getting a young team out of the gate and is he a sustainer. It’s pretty much in his hands now. He’s probably real aware of how much heat might be coming his way. Instilling his virtues of toughness, grit, hard to play against is almost a suicide mission with the hand he’s sitting on.

Agree with this 100%. We should all be on board with this I think. Be okay that we are going to have to suffer for one more year and add another high pick. Personally I think we'll be a bottom 3 to 5 worst team next season, which hopefully gives us worst case a top 5 pick, and best case with a worse record or lottery luck a top 3 pick. We add that one more top level pick and roll forward from there.

I still do find it hard to believe we are done now. I absolutely would deal Zib or Hayes, Spooner and even Zucc now (although I could see the case being made to keep Zucc until the trade DL to be a leader and teach the kids - that is risky though). If we can get anything solid and forward looking for that group I pull the trigger now. Plus it would help us get a better pick next draft by being a little worse this coming season.

But overall I totally agree with you, and think this is the right path for this one season.


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Posted 2018-07-01 5:54 PM (#707650 - in reply to #706448)
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I don't think they're looking to do anything then what's best for the organization.

They could've tried to out bid Toronto or Philly for JT or JVR.... or LA for Kovy....but why?

Sometimes punting is the best call... does that mean this team is dead this season, or trying to tank? Absolutely not! Everyone thought Vegas would be terrible last year, right?

They could be in a position to add some pieces by the deadline, we don't know.

I didn't have Kravtsov, Hajek, Lindgren, Howden making the opening night roster, but that doesn't mean they don't prove themselves, and upgrade the roster later in the season.

Buchnevich could break out this year. To quote Quinn, all it takes is everyone being a little better this year compared to last. Completely possible, especially if you were in the Fire AV camp, which most here were....

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Posted 2018-07-01 6:20 PM (#707651 - in reply to #706448)
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I don't think people thought anything about Vegas last year. No way did anyone think division winner or SCF's, but they had a decent team due to joke expansion rules.

We will be what we will be. ANYTHING can happen, but on paper as we sit right now this is not a good team. Can kids step up and be ready really super quickly...sure. Can Smith bounce back on D (as well as Shatt and Skjei bouncing back)...sure. Can Quinn do a much better job than AV...likely.

So sure anything can happen. Gorton won't come out and say punt. And I bet 1 or 2 moves still happen (need to clean up RFA's - Spoon will be dealt I think - and we have too many C's), but on paper this is not a good team. Management is speaking loudly with no activity today (which I totally agree with passing on JVR - and we had zero shot at Tavares as we are not ready and he never does that to the Isles going to their biggest rival) and no activity at the draft. They think we need to stay the course right now and let the kids play and grow. I think that is smart even though I fully expect it will lead to a very down season this one year. Smart move and then we go forward next offseason.


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Posted 2018-07-01 6:30 PM (#707652 - in reply to #706448)
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Sounds like ROR to the Blues. They had a really good day I think and are really going for it:


Hearing Ryan O'Reilly has been traded to the St. Louis Blues.



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Posted 2018-07-01 6:32 PM (#707653 - in reply to #706448)
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It could be worse, we could be the Sens. There is a team that will be worse than us....

The Sens are really f’d. They look to be awful this coming season (double so when they eventually deal Karlsson now or at the trade DL), BUT their # 1 pick goes to Colorado in the Duchene deal, so boy are they f’d if that is the # 1 pick, or even a top 3 pick, which it almost certainly will be. I have a feeling Ottawa will regret not giving Colorado the # 4 pick this season instead.



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Posted 2018-07-01 7:28 PM (#707654 - in reply to #706448)
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Isles plan B. Would have been better off with Bozak or Stastny I think.


Source says #Isles have indeed signed C Valteri Filppula, though team has not confirmed.


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Posted 2018-07-01 7:36 PM (#707655 - in reply to #706448)
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The Isles just started to die today...they still have a few UFA's that would hurt them more to lose
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:38 PM (#707656 - in reply to #707654)
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Isles plan B. Would have been better off with Bozak or Stastny I think.


Source says #Isles have indeed signed C Valteri Filppula, though team has not confirmed.



If only Tavares gave them a heads up....
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:51 PM (#707657 - in reply to #706448)
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Actually pretty solid signing for only one-year (Isles also kept Hickey and signed Komarov):


Filppula is a one-year deal for $2.75 million with #Isles.


What really tells me that Gorton is staying silent and planning for next year is some of these deals weren't that bad and we still did nothing. Some of these guys could have helped us, and we passed. Not ready now. Want to give the kids a shot. Too many years. Whatever the reason(s) the result is the result, stand idly by and not do anything really today or at the draft.


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Posted 2018-07-01 7:57 PM (#707658 - in reply to #706448)
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He still needs to work on getting Trouba...between the kids and vets we dont have a guy like him anywhere
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Posted 2018-07-01 7:58 PM (#707659 - in reply to #707648)
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It’s pretty obvious after today the Rangers are looking for a bottom seven type finish and hoping for some lottery luck at next years draft. And if they didn’t know they do now, trading a Zucc or Zib ect at the deadline to a contender yields a first with minimal value over a high second. They have to figure out a way to get more than one chip in the draft lottery and hope like hell. Those late first round picks traditionally just don’t have much value to do that. Gorton appears committed to a longer term rebuild and he needs some luck at the draft to get the necessary superstar to build around. There is no quick fix to this unless the kids in the system all take substantial steps in development by the 19-20 season.
Your going to find out real quick how good Quinn is getting a young team out of the gate and is he a sustainer. It’s pretty much in his hands now. He’s probably real aware of how much heat might be coming his way. Instilling his virtues of toughness, grit, hard to play against is almost a suicide mission with the hand he’s sitting on.

So far with the possible exception of K Miller,I've seen no proof that this team is looking to be tougher,grittier,and harder to play against.Offhand.the only free agent that fits that bill right now is Chris Stewart,and I wont be holding my breath waiting for him to come here.
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:03 PM (#707660 - in reply to #707650)
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I don't think they're looking to do anything then what's best for the organization.

They could've tried to out bid Toronto or Philly for JT or JVR.... or LA for Kovy....but why?

Sometimes punting is the best call... does that mean this team is dead this season, or trying to tank? Absolutely not! Everyone thought Vegas would be terrible last year, right?

They could be in a position to add some pieces by the deadline, we don't know.

I didn't have Kravtsov, Hajek, Lindgren, Howden making the opening night roster, but that doesn't mean they don't prove themselves, and upgrade the roster later in the season.

Buchnevich could break out this year. To quote Quinn, all it takes is everyone being a little better this year compared to last. Completely possible, especially if you were in the Fire AV camp, which most here were....



Of course Gorton and crew are doing what they think is best. That doesn’t translate to a successful season and playoff run. One would have to be peering through the rosiest coloured glasses ever to see much upside to the team with or without Hajek, Howden, Lindgren, Andersson, and Chytil for this season.
This season is looking very much like a write off unless Quinn is a phenom coach. As a fan it’s concerning how far along the Rangers will be the following year let alone this upcoming year.
As a top four Shattenkirk, Skjei, Staal, and Pionk is terrible. As it stands now Zib, and Hayes as the top two centres is pilsbury tough and unless motivated by Quinn to release some backbone, more trouble for the Rangers. Andersson and Chytil need bark on them, that will take some time. So to review a terrible top four D, two cream puffs and two kids at center, and a aging goalie who showed a lot of swing in his inconsistency last season. It’s a recipe for a another season of being on the outside looking in at playoff time.
If they are respectable Quinn is a front runner for coach of the year.
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:04 PM (#707661 - in reply to #706448)
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And Steve Kampfer should never take the ice for the Rangers ever...with all the depth we have...never
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Posted 2018-07-01 8:06 PM (#707662 - in reply to #707659)
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Rranger - 2018-07-01 7:22 PM

It’s pretty obvious after today the Rangers are looking for a bottom seven type finish and hoping for some lottery luck at next years draft. And if they didn’t know they do now, trading a Zucc or Zib ect at the deadline to a contender yields a first with minimal value over a high second. They have to figure out a way to get more than one chip in the draft lottery and hope like hell. Those late first round picks traditionally just don’t have much value to do that. Gorton appears committed to a longer term rebuild and he needs some luck at the draft to get the necessary superstar to build around. There is no quick fix to this unless the kids in the system all take substantial steps in development by the 19-20 season.
Your going to find out real quick how good Quinn is getting a young team out of the gate and is he a sustainer. It’s pretty much in his hands now. He’s probably real aware of how much heat might be coming his way. Instilling his virtues of toughness, grit, hard to play against is almost a suicide mission with the hand he’s sitting on.

So far with the possible exception of K Miller,I've seen no proof that this team is looking to be tougher,grittier,and harder to play against.Offhand.the only free agent that fits that bill right now is Chris Stewart,and I wont be holding my breath waiting for him to come here.




We will see how good Quinn is at turning lambs into lions. Because he’s got a bunch on his hands.

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