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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-07 10:37 AM (#707882 - in reply to #707878)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-07-07 12:29 PM

Oh ok I see, joking around, good.

If Jenna Haze wants $6 Mil then trade him for something good, he has value.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-07 10:38 AM (#707883 - in reply to #707880)
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LeetchyMrRanger - 2018-07-07 12:25 PM

Ok, I have not been following the conversations lately, are you all just bringing up the name of Callahan or there is talk of bringing him back? I hope not. Rangers are SO past Cally. He can come back for free, otherwise it would upset me very much. I don't even want to think about it.
Tampa wanted Karlsson from Ottawa but bolts lack cap space and supposedly were going to unload Cally and his contract to the Rangers along with a young prospect as a reward.

Blue call that bolshevik team and force their hand!
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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2018-07-07 10:42 AM (#707884 - in reply to #706448)
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Stevie Y has been throwing $$$ around like it is paper. That's his problem. Unless the prospect is the next Laine, keep your Cally, he is your problem.
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Mjolnir
Posted 2018-07-07 4:49 PM (#707886 - in reply to #707879)
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Go NYR - 2018-07-07 12:30 PM

I would accept Cally at only 2 years if we got a good asset to take him. I want no part of that Ryan disaster of a contract. We cannot take on that contract. I don't see what we could possibly get to make that worthwhile.



That's what I've been saying....I don't recall TB having that many assets that they can send assets to Ottawa for EK and then have something good enough left over to convince us to take Cally's contract. And seeing as any roster player they have has a NTC/NMC, I don't see any of them suddenly deciding to go from a Cup contender to a rebuilding team.
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Posted 2018-07-07 6:25 PM (#707887 - in reply to #706448)
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Sergachev n foote n id do it
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Posted 2018-07-07 6:46 PM (#707888 - in reply to #706448)
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David Pagnotta of The Fourth Period, provided his latest updates and thoughts on the Erik Karlsson trade situation. According to his report, he believes that the Karlsson trade could possibly be completed by tomorrow.

The Tampa Bay Lightning, New York Islanders, Colorado Avalanche, New York Rangers and a few other teams have also inquired about Karlsson, with the Islanders and Rangers, at one point, willing to include Ryan in the deal. We had reported earlier in the week that the Rangers were no longer in the hunt – it’s our understanding that they’ve re-entered the mix, and not just as a possible third-team to help eat up some salary.



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Rranger
Posted 2018-07-07 7:05 PM (#707889 - in reply to #706448)
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If the Rangers are in it to acquire Karlsson and it wouldn’t suprise me and flip a bundle to Ottawa for Karlsson they’d have nothing left to build around him. But if they also take Ryan which reduces Karlsson value, then a flip to Tampa that makes sense as long as Sergachev is involved, and obviously more pieces. Maybe this is how it goes down, rather than the Rangers being a sideshow picking up a few frills to eat contracts.
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Posted 2018-07-07 10:17 PM (#707890 - in reply to #706448)
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IF EK and BR are sent to NY, I see no reason why TB should take Ryan since they're already trying to dump salary, not take on more salary.
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Posted 2018-07-07 10:18 PM (#707891 - in reply to #707887)
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sk4life40 - 2018-07-07 8:25 PM

Sergachev n foote n id do it


Please elaborate.
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Rranger
Posted 2018-07-07 10:31 PM (#707892 - in reply to #707890)
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Mjolnir - 2018-07-07 9:17 PM

IF EK and BR are sent to NY, I see no reason why TB should take Ryan since they're already trying to dump salary, not take on more salary.




No one said Ryan was going to Tampa. Just Karlsson. Rangers retain Ryan to get the cheese. Just a article I read and as imaginable as all the other bull**** flying around.

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Mjolnir
Posted 2018-07-08 9:10 AM (#707893 - in reply to #707892)
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No one said Ryan was going to Tampa. Just Karlsson. Rangers retain Ryan to get the cheese. Just a article I read and as imaginable as all the other bull**** flying around.


Then please explain just who was going to be flipped in your post below:

"If the Rangers are in it to acquire Karlsson and it wouldn’t suprise me and flip a bundle to Ottawa for Karlsson they’d have nothing left to build around him. But if they also take Ryan which reduces Karlsson value, then a flip to Tampa that makes sense as long as Sergachev is involved, and obviously more pieces. Maybe this is how it goes down, rather than the Rangers being a sideshow picking up a few frills to eat contracts."
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Posted 2018-07-08 9:19 AM (#707894 - in reply to #706448)
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I think he meant Karlsson gets flipped to Tampa. Personally I find it unlikely we'd trade for Karlsson just to flip him to Tampa. If he ends up in Tampa, still a strong possibility, I would think he goes directly from Ottawa with a 3rd team in the mix for cap stuff. I also cannot see how Ryan would be on Tampa. His contract is god awful. They cannot afford him. I feel like the one guarantee is Ryan is not on Tampa when this saga ends.

I still believe it is highly unlikely we are in on getting Karlsson directly. And I also believe if we were to ever even entertain taking on Ryan's contract the asset would have to be huge due to how awful that deal is. Cally's deal on the other hand I could see us taking on for the removing of the conditions on the pick we have from Tampa in 2019 (make it their 1st rounder for sure) and another solid asset. Not a dominant asset, but a solid asset. That to me would be worth two years of Cally's cap hit (one of those years is totally irrelevant to us - this upcoming season).



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Posted 2018-07-08 10:36 AM (#707895 - in reply to #706448)
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Is Sergachev, Girardi 2.0 ?

Girardi 17:23 ATOI 27 GV 15 TA -12
Sergachev ATOI 15:22 60 GV 21 TA -39
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Posted 2018-07-08 10:44 AM (#707896 - in reply to #706448)
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Been trying to have it make sense.... here's the theoritical 3 way deal I imagined

Tampa gets Karlsson

Ottawa gets Spooner and Sergachev + 2019 2nd rounder + 2020 1st rounder from Tampa

Rangers get Callahan and Ryan + 2019 first rounder from Tampa upraded from McD trade + a prospect from Tampa... Taylor Raddysh? Cal Foote?+ an Ottawa prospect Logan Brown? Colin White?

Probably not....
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Rranger
Posted 2018-07-08 10:51 AM (#707897 - in reply to #707893)
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Rranger - 2018-07-08 12:31 AM

No one said Ryan was going to Tampa. Just Karlsson. Rangers retain Ryan to get the cheese. Just a article I read and as imaginable as all the other bull**** flying around.


Then please explain just who was going to be flipped in your post below:

"If the Rangers are in it to acquire Karlsson and it wouldn’t suprise me and flip a bundle to Ottawa for Karlsson they’d have nothing left to build around him. But if they also take Ryan which reduces Karlsson value, then a flip to Tampa that makes sense as long as Sergachev is involved, and obviously more pieces. Maybe this is how it goes down, rather than the Rangers being a sideshow picking up a few frills to eat contracts."





Read my quote above you used to ask your question. If that doesn’t cllarify it for you read it a couple three more times, it’s pretty easy to follow along.
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Posted 2018-07-08 11:02 AM (#707898 - in reply to #707896)
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robstones - 2018-07-08 9:44 AM

Been trying to have it make sense.... here's the theoritical 3 way deal I imagined

Tampa gets Karlsson

Ottawa gets Spooner and Sergachev + 2019 2nd rounder + 2020 1st rounder from Tampa

Rangers get Callahan and Ryan + 2019 first rounder from Tampa upraded from McD trade + a prospect from Tampa... Taylor Raddysh? Cal Foote?+ an Ottawa prospect Logan Brown? Colin White?

Probably not....



A good situation for the Rangers would be to complete a trade with Ottawa and then flip Karlsson to Tampa and get Sergachev back in a return package. Problem is the cost to first acquire Karlsson from Ottawa. Two different potential costs depending on Bobby Ryan being included or not.
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Posted 2018-07-08 12:24 PM (#707899 - in reply to #707897)
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Rranger - 2018-07-08 12:51 PM

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Rranger - 2018-07-08 12:31 AM

No one said Ryan was going to Tampa. Just Karlsson. Rangers retain Ryan to get the cheese. Just a article I read and as imaginable as all the other bull**** flying around.


Then please explain just who was going to be flipped in your post below:

"If the Rangers are in it to acquire Karlsson and it wouldn’t suprise me and flip a bundle to Ottawa for Karlsson they’d have nothing left to build around him. But if they also take Ryan which reduces Karlsson value, then a flip to Tampa that makes sense as long as Sergachev is involved, and obviously more pieces. Maybe this is how it goes down, rather than the Rangers being a sideshow picking up a few frills to eat contracts."



Read my quote above you used to ask your question. If that doesn’t cllarify it for you read it a couple three more times, it’s pretty easy to follow along.
I asked the question in good faith (because it was NOT CLEAR), not to get a snarky reply....but that seems to be the course around here lately. I shan't make that mistake again.

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Rranger
Posted 2018-07-08 2:15 PM (#707900 - in reply to #706448)
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The answer to your question was in your post. No ambiguity no confusion, “no one said Ryan was going to Tampa”” and I didn’t, if it was implied, I clarified it in that post. It appeared to be a nit picking question I accept your explanation, this is mine and it’s a dead horse to me.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 8:45 AM (#707904 - in reply to #706448)
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Kravstov going back to USSR...not sure if I am mad or ok with this...I thought Gorton said he wanted him over here?
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Posted 2018-07-09 9:04 AM (#707905 - in reply to #707904)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 9:45 AM

Kravstov going back to USSR...not sure if I am mad or ok with this...I thought Gorton said he wanted him over here?


Relax.... Shestorkin, Rykov, and Kravtsov all have contracts that run out in February. A month after the all-star game. We'll bring them all over then.
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Posted 2018-07-09 10:04 AM (#707907 - in reply to #707905)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 9:45 AM

Kravstov going back to USSR...not sure if I am mad or ok with this...I thought Gorton said he wanted him over here?


Relax.... Shestorkin, Rykov, and Kravtsov all have contracts that run out in February. A month after the all-star game. We'll bring them all over then.

Lol lets hope they dont sign new KHL contracts like Shesty did
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Posted 2018-07-09 10:06 AM (#707908 - in reply to #707904)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 7:45 AM

Kravstov going back to USSR...not sure if I am mad or ok with this...I thought Gorton said he wanted him over here?





I would rather he was over here also. It would be better playing N.A. Hockey on the smaller rink, and getting versed in Ranger hockey systems while in Hartford. Assuming they are going to have more than one system now that chewy is gone. It’s not the end of the world he is over there til spring but it’s also not the best of the two scenario’s.
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Posted 2018-07-09 10:10 AM (#707909 - in reply to #707907)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 9:45 AM

Kravstov going back to USSR...not sure if I am mad or ok with this...I thought Gorton said he wanted him over here?


Relax.... Shestorkin, Rykov, and Kravtsov all have contracts that run out in February. A month after the all-star game. We'll bring them all over then.

Lol lets hope they dont sign new KHL contracts like Shesty did


You can jump off that bridge when we come to it.

Shestyorkin signed before 2016... Hank had 5 years left on his deal with a full NMC. Shestyorkin had to choose between AHL for 3 or 4 years vs KHL for another 3 or 4... I suspect not a difficult choice for a young russian goalie. In hindsight he made the right move, especially now that the Rangers goaltending situation is a little clearer with a couple of guys out of the mix (Skapski, Halverson)


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Posted 2018-07-09 10:12 AM (#707910 - in reply to #706448)
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Not the end of the world... if you don't have patience to wait 6 months you don't have patience for a rebuild.

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Posted 2018-07-09 10:47 AM (#707911 - in reply to #707909)
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concust - 2018-07-09 12:10 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 9:45 AM

Kravstov going back to USSR...not sure if I am mad or ok with this...I thought Gorton said he wanted him over here?


Relax.... Shestorkin, Rykov, and Kravtsov all have contracts that run out in February. A month after the all-star game. We'll bring them all over then.

Lol lets hope they dont sign new KHL contracts like Shesty did


You can jump off that bridge when we come to it.

Shestyorkin signed before 2016... Hank had 5 years left on his deal with a full NMC. Shestyorkin had to choose between AHL for 3 or 4 years vs KHL for another 3 or 4... I suspect not a difficult choice for a young russian goalie. In hindsight he made the right move, especially now that the Rangers goaltending situation is a little clearer with a couple of guys out of the mix (Skapski, Halverson)



Yep our Front Office botched it as usual...If Shesty came over here and lit it up I would tell Henrik you are now the backup...and if you dont like it we can trade you...Because it seems Allaire makes the goalies great around here
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Posted 2018-07-09 11:59 AM (#707912 - in reply to #707910)
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Not the end of the world... if you don't have patience to wait 6 months you don't have patience for a rebuild.






You should really address who your talking to.
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Posted 2018-07-09 2:37 PM (#707913 - in reply to #707912)
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Not the end of the world... if you don't have patience to wait 6 months you don't have patience for a rebuild.




You should really address who your talking to.


I'm talking to anyone that confuses short term decisions for long term setbacks.

You don't always get the "ideal" situation, and objectively the KHL is not a bad option for an 18 year old russian teenager.

AHL, KHL, It won't make much difference in the end. The kid is an offensive engine, and if/when he arrives in the NHL it will be because of talent and hard work, which he can put in both here and on the other side of the world. He's an 18 year old playing in a men's league, that shouldn't be seen as a setback just because it's not what you want. (generic "you" not specifically you)

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Posted 2018-07-09 4:04 PM (#707914 - in reply to #707913)
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Not the end of the world... if you don't have patience to wait 6 months you don't have patience for a rebuild.




You should really address who your talking to.


I'm talking to anyone that confuses short term decisions for long term setbacks.

You don't always get the "ideal" situation, and objectively the KHL is not a bad option for an 18 year old russian teenager.

AHL, KHL, It won't make much difference in the end. The kid is an offensive engine, and if/when he arrives in the NHL it will be because of talent and hard work, which he can put in both here and on the other side of the world. He's an 18 year old playing in a men's league, that shouldn't be seen as a setback just because it's not what you want. (generic "you" not specifically you)






It’s not as good a option as the AHL, let him adjust to the smaller ice surface and learn the systems that are not used on a big ice surface. It’s a totally different game. Played with a totally different set of playbooks. How many times do you have to read about Euro players talking about all the adjustments they have to make when they come over here, and it’s not just on the ice. Getting that year in the AHL and getting culturally adapted off the ice pays off with the player dealing with a lot less while he’s transitioning to the NHL in his second year over here. And it doesn’t matter if he’s a rocket engine he still goes through the same learning curve other players do.
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Posted 2018-07-09 4:36 PM (#707915 - in reply to #707913)
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I'm talking to anyone that confuses short term decisions for long term setbacks.

You don't always get the "ideal" situation, and objectively the KHL is not a bad option for an 18 year old russian teenager.

AHL, KHL, It won't make much difference in the end. The kid is an offensive engine, and if/when he arrives in the NHL it will be because of talent and hard work, which he can put in both here and on the other side of the world. He's an 18 year old playing in a men's league, that shouldn't be seen as a setback just because it's not what you want. (generic "you" not specifically you)

Why would anyone be upset that a players decides to honor their contract. To me, that's a sign of good character. More power to him.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 5:57 PM (#707917 - in reply to #707915)
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Mjolnir - 2018-07-09 6:36 PM

concust - 2018-07-09 4:37 PM


I'm talking to anyone that confuses short term decisions for long term setbacks.

You don't always get the "ideal" situation, and objectively the KHL is not a bad option for an 18 year old russian teenager.

AHL, KHL, It won't make much difference in the end. The kid is an offensive engine, and if/when he arrives in the NHL it will be because of talent and hard work, which he can put in both here and on the other side of the world. He's an 18 year old playing in a men's league, that shouldn't be seen as a setback just because it's not what you want. (generic "you" not specifically you)

Why would anyone be upset that a players decides to honor their contract. To me, that's a sign of good character. More power to him.

to be fair...Krav and Gorton said he wanted to be over here...now he goes back to USSR and who knows what will happen....see Shesty
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Posted 2018-07-09 6:07 PM (#707918 - in reply to #706448)
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So what if he wants to be over here -- he is still under contract!!!
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 6:18 PM (#707919 - in reply to #706448)
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They could of bought it out...now he's over there with no guarantees to come back...you never know
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Posted 2018-07-09 6:35 PM (#707920 - in reply to #707919)
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Mikey Red - 2018-07-09 8:18 PM

They could of bought it out...now he's over there with no guarantees to come back...you never know
Wrong!!!!

"Sources report that the KHL was prepared to file a grievance if Kravtsov had attempted to buy his way out of this second year of his entry-level deal with Traktor Chelyabinsk. The arbitration hearing process might have taken months, during which time the first-rounder would not have been able to play on either side of the Atlantic."

https://nypost.com/2018/07/09/rangers-and-their-top-pick-agree-to-wa...
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-07-09 6:44 PM (#707921 - in reply to #706448)
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That is not what the whole Rangers coverage world was saying when they picked him...They said he had an out and it was his final year of the USSR contract
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Posted 2018-07-09 6:45 PM (#707922 - in reply to #706448)
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And there is nothing stopping him from staying over there
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