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| Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 12:20 PM
That totally sucks....even more disturbing is Quinn flying to Sweden to see Henrik....what the F is that?
Maybe he wanted a free European vacation? |
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Location: New Jersey | Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 2:20 PM
That totally sucks....even more disturbing is Quinn flying to Sweden to see Henrik....what the F is that?
Yeah, what is he thinking going to hang out with the face of the franchise? It's almost like the coach wants to develop a relationship with the most important player on the team or something...
They don't have a captain. and even when they do sew a C on someone's sweater, that player won't have as much pull as Henrik Lundqvist....
And oh yeah. Sweden is gorgeous
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Location: AV is gone | Vua - 2018-07-10 3:05 PM
Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 12:20 PM
That totally sucks....even more disturbing is Quinn flying to Sweden to see Henrik....what the F is that?
Maybe he wanted a free European vacation?
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Location: AV is gone | robstones - 2018-07-10 3:22 PM
Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 2:20 PM
That totally sucks....even more disturbing is Quinn flying to Sweden to see Henrik....what the F is that?
Yeah, what is he thinking going to hang out with the face of the franchise? It's almost like the coach wants to develop a relationship with the most important player on the team or something...
They don't have a captain. and even when they do sew a C on someone's sweater, that player won't have as much pull as Henrik Lundqvist....
And oh yeah. Sweden is gorgeous
Henrik is on his last shift as a Ranger....Thats why I scratch my head.....Quinn should be flying to see Benny Allaire |
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Location: New Jersey | Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 4:11 PM
robstones - 2018-07-10 3:22 PM
Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 2:20 PM
That totally sucks....even more disturbing is Quinn flying to Sweden to see Henrik....what the F is that?
Yeah, what is he thinking going to hang out with the face of the franchise? It's almost like the coach wants to develop a relationship with the most important player on the team or something...
They don't have a captain. and even when they do sew a C on someone's sweater, that player won't have as much pull as Henrik Lundqvist....
And oh yeah. Sweden is gorgeous
Henrik is on his last shift as a Ranger....Thats why I scratch my head.....Quinn should be flying to see Benny Allaire
Last shift. The guy was pretty damn good last year.
He's getting to the last few years of his career.... but he's still the face pf the franchise, and leader of the lockerroom. Allaire isn't... |
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Location: AV is gone | robstones - 2018-07-10 5:28 PM
Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 4:11 PM
robstones - 2018-07-10 3:22 PM
Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 2:20 PM
That totally sucks....even more disturbing is Quinn flying to Sweden to see Henrik....what the F is that?
Yeah, what is he thinking going to hang out with the face of the franchise? It's almost like the coach wants to develop a relationship with the most important player on the team or something...
They don't have a captain. and even when they do sew a C on someone's sweater, that player won't have as much pull as Henrik Lundqvist....
And oh yeah. Sweden is gorgeous
Henrik is on his last shift as a Ranger....Thats why I scratch my head.....Quinn should be flying to see Benny Allaire
Last shift. The guy was pretty damn good last year.
He's getting to the last few years of his career.... but he's still the face pf the franchise, and leader of the lockerroom. Allaire isn't...
Allaire made Henrik great !!! |
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Location: AV is gone | Henrik is also not going to be part of the rebuild...he will be gone when we our kids are grown up a little and playing for us....and if he gets lit up this season I bet he agrees to go |
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Location: New Jersey | Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 5:33 PM
Henrik is also not going to be part of the rebuild...he will be gone when we our kids are grown up a little and playing for us....and if he gets lit up this season I bet he agrees to go
So? Right now he is the leader of the team. He's the captain. The new coach is coming in and building a relationship with his players. Lundqvist isn't done yet, man. He's getting there, but he'll be here next year too as a mentor to Shestyorkin. If that's not part of the rebuild, I don't know what is.
In the meantime, they have a season to play this year. Lundqvist is the starting goalie, and most important player. |
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Location: AV is gone | robstones - 2018-07-10 5:59 PM
Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 5:33 PM
Henrik is also not going to be part of the rebuild...he will be gone when we our kids are grown up a little and playing for us....and if he gets lit up this season I bet he agrees to go
So? Right now he is the leader of the team. He's the captain. The new coach is coming in and building a relationship with his players. Lundqvist isn't done yet, man. He's getting there, but he'll be here next year too as a mentor to Shestyorkin. If that's not part of the rebuild, I don't know what is.
In the meantime, they have a season to play this year. Lundqvist is the starting goalie, and most important player.
No way dude...Jesper Fast is the leader lol....Who is going to tell Henrik to relax this year lol |
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| Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 5:32 PM
robstones - 2018-07-10 5:28 PM
Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 4:11 PM
robstones - 2018-07-10 3:22 PM
Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 2:20 PM
That totally sucks....even more disturbing is Quinn flying to Sweden to see Henrik....what the F is that?
Yeah, what is he thinking going to hang out with the face of the franchise? It's almost like the coach wants to develop a relationship with the most important player on the team or something...
They don't have a captain. and even when they do sew a C on someone's sweater, that player won't have as much pull as Henrik Lundqvist....
And oh yeah. Sweden is gorgeous
Henrik is on his last shift as a Ranger....Thats why I scratch my head.....Quinn should be flying to see Benny Allaire
Last shift. The guy was pretty damn good last year.
He's getting to the last few years of his career.... but he's still the face pf the franchise, and leader of the lockerroom. Allaire isn't...
Allaire made Henrik great !!! |
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| Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 6:05 PM
Rangers should keep Pavelic around too... Nope. |
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Location: AV is gone | Mjolnir - 2018-07-10 6:14 PM
Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 6:05 PM
Rangers should keep Pavelic around too... Nope.
Why not? He was a suitable backup last year |
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Location: New Jersey | Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 6:05 PM
Rangers should keep Pavelic around too...Once he got into a groove last year he played well....If Georgie is lights out he cannot sit on the bench...he needs to play....either be the starter here or Hartford
Mikey Red - 2018-07-10 6:47 PM
Allaire is the reason unknown Cam Talbot played the last 1/3 of the season in 2014 and played great....when we thought the season was over when Henrik got hurt
These two statements contradict eachother
Georgiev will play but he needs to earn it. You don't earn it in Hartford. You earn it with the NHL. Practicing with the team, and Benny. Sitting on the bench ready to take the ice. Staying focused. And seizing the opportunity when it comes, and it will.
Just the way Lundqvist had to earn it. Lundqvist was Kevin Weekes backup. Talbot had to earn it, Talbot was Lundqvist's backup.... Richter was Beezers' backup.... He earned the #1 spot because he was a great backup! |
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Location: USA | Pavelec was fine last year for a backup, especially when you consider he had to follow in Raanta's footsteps.
Having said that I don't see the Rangers bringing back a 31 year old backup goalie for $1.5m when they have a perfectly serviceable backup in Georgiev. If this was a contending team they would want a veteran backup in case Hank went down, but that is not the situation we are in.
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| itsmcilrathtime - 2018-07-11 11:39 AM
Ruff was always a guy that loved tough players. Unfortunately, his previous boss was a sissy. I don't blame ruff for what happened with the team.
I'm not so sure about that. His Dallas teams weren't much tougher than the Rangers under AV. Maybe all his Buffalo team's could afford were tough guys. |
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Location: USA | Rranger - 2018-07-11 9:21 PM
I have no axe to grind about Ruff, he was in a impossible situation last year. He takes orders from headquarters and it didn’t look like many were issued. All things being equal I’d of liked to have seen a clean slate for Quinn to get his own guys. I believe Ruffs here solely as a backup plan if Quinn has problems. I doubt there is any other way he’d become head coach, or he would have replaced chewy.
Based on the state and direction of the organization that's a very strange move. On the surface it sounds fine - a backup plan if Quinn has problems - but consider what that actually means for a rookie coach with a team full of youngsters.
For the past 6 months (or more) this organization has been fully committed to the youngsters and a rebuild. From deadline day, to firing AV, to bringing in Quinn, to draft day. And a team that is fully committed to a rebuild, does not judge a rookie coach by wins and losses. Talk about an impossible task.
So if what you're saying is true, in case Quinn has problems - what kind of problems would those be? Rhetorically, how far out of his element would he have to be for management to say mid season, "holy sh** balls, we need to cut bait on this guy" I mean, expectations for a team that knows it's rebuilding, can't be judged solely on the points column. And it doesn't look like he'll have many "veterans" to lean on in place of playing kids, which i assume is his mandate.
Look I can't think of another reason why they'd keep him, I agree Quinn should really get his own guys. My only other thoughts may be that Ruff can help retain a bridge to the NHL coaching "old guard" since Quinn hasn't been around the NHL circuit much, and that having a veteran coach around might be helpful some way, like pointing out where the bathrooms are in Amelie arena or something. Maybe he's there because Dolan doesn't want yet another dead salary contract on the books. They can make him pick up pucks in practice or something.
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Location: USA | itsmcilrathtime - 2018-07-11 12:39 PM
Ruff was always a guy that loved tough players. Unfortunately, his previous boss was a sissy. I don't blame ruff for what happened with the team.
How about not being able to get out of the first round in 8 of the last 9 years he was a head coach. Do you blame him for those |
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| concust - 2018-07-11 9:14 PM
Rranger - 2018-07-11 9:21 PM
I have no axe to grind about Ruff, he was in a impossible situation last year. He takes orders from headquarters and it didn’t look like many were issued. All things being equal I’d of liked to have seen a clean slate for Quinn to get his own guys. I believe Ruffs here solely as a backup plan if Quinn has problems. I doubt there is any other way he’d become head coach, or he would have replaced chewy.
Based on the state and direction of the organization that's a very strange move. On the surface it sounds fine - a backup plan if Quinn has problems - but consider what that actually means for a rookie coach with a team full of youngsters.
For the past 6 months (or more ) this organization has been fully committed to the youngsters and a rebuild. From deadline day, to firing AV, to bringing in Quinn, to draft day. And a team that is fully committed to a rebuild, does not judge a rookie coach by wins and losses. Talk about an impossible task.
So if what you're saying is true, in case Quinn has problems - what kind of problems would those be? Rhetorically, how far out of his element would he have to be for management to say mid season, "holy sh** balls, we need to cut bait on this guy" I mean, expectations for a team that knows it's rebuilding, can't be judged solely on the points column. And it doesn't look like he'll have many "veterans" to lean on in place of playing kids, which i assume is his mandate.
Look I can't think of another reason why they'd keep him, I agree Quinn should really get his own guys. My only other thoughts may be that Ruff can help retain a bridge to the NHL coaching "old guard" since Quinn hasn't been around the NHL circuit much, and that having a veteran coach around might be helpful some way, like pointing out where the bathrooms are in Amelie arena or something. Maybe he's there because Dolan doesn't want yet another dead salary contract on the books. They can make him pick up pucks in practice or something.
I’m not sure there is a logical reason Ruff’s here. Although Quinn will have question marks til he proves he can do it. If there was a terrible start 5 wins in 20 games the heat is on, and I think enough to send Quinn on his way. But theres a competitive factor at work also, if a team is losing overtime and one goal losses competing and battling just losing because of talent and inexperience then maybe he gets more time. 20 games is enough for management to see if he can do it or not. I don’t think the Rangers are a organization that’s going to extend much sympathy to Quinn if it looks like he’s not getting his point across. It’s managements job to monitor the coach, he has to be showing them he’s doing a good job, that and his record tell the tale.
With the rebuild the name of the game, Ruff would be a good replacement for the balance of the year as a interim head coach allowing for a search again next off season.
We are not talking a career assistant coach with a track record of improvement, to components of a teams game, so there’s no track record other than mediocre head coach success to fill out his resume. I guess the replacement theory is fishing for straws, because it don’t make a lot of sense to me.
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Quinn is a new coach with very little NHL experience, and none as a head coach. Ruff is a guy who has been a long time NHL coach, and has won as well. He is the experienced set of eyes and sounding board a new NHL coach can use. I don't for a second think he is there to take over for Quinn if he has a crappy 20 games with a terrible team. I think he is there to provide wisdom and experience, and it is that simple to me.
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Is it possible the very simple reason we are keeping Ruff is because we have a rookie head coach, and Ruff has a lot of experience as a coach and with the NHL in general? Why does it have to be a deeper reason than that? I know we all love a good conspiracy theory, but I think there is no there there on this one.
Quinn is a new coach with very little NHL experience, and none as a head coach. Ruff is a guy who has been a long time NHL coach, and has won as well. He is the experienced set of eyes and sounding board a new NHL coach can use. I don't for a second think he is there to take over for Quinn if he has a crappy 20 games with a terrible team. I think he is there to provide wisdom and experience, and it is that simple to me.
It's possible that there's no deep state Rangers theory and they just thought he was ok and they'll keep him around. Ruff does have a lot of experience, my gripe though is that he's not a good coach. He basically been riding that trip to the finals in his first or second year, for the bulk of his 15 (?) year career. His teams almost always miss the playoffs or get bounced in round 1, and yet he's one of these NHL coaches that keeps getting jobs, (and keeping jobs like this one) presumably because of the coaching fraternity and because he has good name recognition. He's not a good coach. Compare what he's done in his career with AV. Makes AV look like a HOFer, and we rode that schmuck out on a rail. And yet Ruff gets a pass.
As far as Quinn is concerned, (speaking mostly to rranger's post) I get that he could be a capable backup coach, on a team with basically zero expectations of winning, but by that same token, if you're not judging Quinn by W/L then what are you judging him on. How respected he is by the players? Margin of victory/loss? I would expect Quinn to get a LOT of slack just due to the situation the Rangers are in. You can't hire a rookie coach, and then give him a team of young inexperienced players with a few young-vets mixed in, and a patchwork defense, and then say "oh, well, we're 5-15 after 20 games, so Quinn is on the hot seat". It just doesn't make sense to me.
It is going to be the most interesting season in Rangerland in a long time.
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As for Ruff, you say he gets a pass, I just view it as a vet coach with a lot of experience there to help a rookie NHL coach learn the ropes. I don't see it as much more than that. Not saying I like keep him, just saying I don't see it as much more than an experienced coach there for a rookie coach.
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If the Rangers go under 5 wins in 20 games and the team is off the rails, players no where near playing to their capabilities, then he’s going to be under the gun to get his players playing to their capabilities real soon. That’s his job. Get the most out of the group. Not win the cup, but get the upper percentile of performance and effort from the group. If the Rangers don’t see the proper foundation being put in place and the necessary leadership from the coaching staff and it reeks after 20 games, then they got a mess on their hands. His saving grace would be his contract. He got a bundle that’s a big bite to eat by the Rangers, and if he’s a stiff then Gorton better start sending out his own resumes. There is no guarantee Quinn will succeed, and if and when he goes, if he hasn’t established himself to the point of another team hiring him and absorbing some of his contract, the Rangers will be eating the rest of his deal.
I don’t expect that, I like a lot of what Quinn says, he sounds like a smart guy. But he’s still looking at a piss poor defense, and more than a few duds I’m not sure you could motivate with a gun. But he has to find a way, it’s why he gets the coins.
When I see Hayes playing to his size, a wide awake Kreider, a Shattenkirk with his head out of his ass, Zibanejad not trying to do everything the easy way, Andersson and Chytil getting tough love, then yeay we got a coach. If he doesn’t get those four vets firing then it’s going to be a very long season. It’s fairly obvious if a guy can handle coaching when he moves up, So is he can’t.
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| concust - 2018-07-12 3:28 PM
As far as Quinn is concerned, (speaking mostly to rranger's post) I get that he could be a capable backup coach, on a team with basically zero expectations of winning, but by that same token, if you're not judging Quinn by W/L then what are you judging him on. How respected he is by the players? Margin of victory/loss? I would expect Quinn to get a LOT of slack just due to the situation the Rangers are in. You can't hire a rookie coach, and then give him a team of young inexperienced players with a few young-vets mixed in, and a patchwork defense, and then say "oh, well, we're 5-15 after 20 games, so Quinn is on the hot seat". It just doesn't make sense to me.
It is going to be the most interesting season in Rangerland in a long time.
Quinn is here for at least two years. That's how long I think it will take before the Rangers can make a serious run to reach the playoffs.
Even though he's probably seen lots of film and is familiar with a number of our players, it's going to take at least 20 games for him to really know what he's working with and how each player is adjusting to the new system. Mix in roster changes (I do believe there will be some trades come camp time), tinkering with lines and pairings, we probably won't see any real results until the halfway point. From there it's really an individual and collective evaluation of what we have and what we need. I am convinced that half of the current roster will be gone by the time the 2019-20 season starts. |
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| concust - 2018-07-12 3:28 PM
As far as Quinn is concerned, (speaking mostly to rranger's post) I get that he could be a capable backup coach, on a team with basically zero expectations of winning, but by that same token, if you're not judging Quinn by W/L then what are you judging him on. How respected he is by the players? Margin of victory/loss? I would expect Quinn to get a LOT of slack just due to the situation the Rangers are in. You can't hire a rookie coach, and then give him a team of young inexperienced players with a few young-vets mixed in, and a patchwork defense, and then say "oh, well, we're 5-15 after 20 games, so Quinn is on the hot seat". It just doesn't make sense to me.
It is going to be the most interesting season in Rangerland in a long time.
Quinn is here for at least two years. That's how long I think it will take before the Rangers can make a serious run to reach the playoffs.
Even though he's probably seen lots of film and is familiar with a number of our players, it's going to take at least 20 games for him to really know what he's working with and how each player is adjusting to the new system. Mix in roster changes (I do believe there will be some trades come camp time), tinkering with lines and pairings, we probably won't see any real results until the halfway point. From there it's really an individual and collective evaluation of what we have and what we need. I am convinced that half of the current roster will be gone by the time the 2019-20 season starts. |
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