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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-08-06 9:34 AM (#708510 - in reply to #708308)
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And for the trade to be a more winner...TD has to be a regular in our lineup...which I dont see right now
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Posted 2018-08-06 3:19 PM (#708515 - in reply to #708508)
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Go NYR - 2018-08-05 8:25 PM

You are confusing things man. We can debate whether or not drafting Lias was the right pick, although I don't know how you really do that in any factual way right now given Lias has played like 8 NHL games, but I digress. BUT that doesn't mean the Stepan trade was a bad trade for the # 7 pick in the draft. If the Lias pick is a miss, that makes it the wrong pick, it doesn't make it a bad trade value wise and cap wise.

And I think Lias is going to be a good player as well. Worst case in the same range as Stepan I believe. But again that is pure speculation at this point. We'll know a lot more after this upcoming season. We need to have patience with the 5 first round picks the past two drafts.




I agree with this. I am a big fan of Stepan despite the contract, he was under-appreciated and provided value, and I did not want to see him go. Having said that we got good enough value out of that deal, especially if you consider that the first step of the rebuild (a year early).

Saying Andersson was a missed pick at this point is absolutely ridiculous... we have two 18 year olds who already have NHL experience and could still both project to be top 6 centers. They get about 4 years before we can judge if they were busts or not.


ROR got traded twice and got 4 and 5 pieces for each trade....Lias may not be a missed pick but he was def a reach



Funny how in the ROR piece, you want to count the guy who went back to play in the KHL, but in some of your other diatribes, you blame the Ranger front office for Shestorkyin staying in Russia a few more years or Kravtsev going back for a year as bad moves. SMH... again
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Posted 2018-08-06 3:43 PM (#708516 - in reply to #708515)
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SMH... again

You're rattlin' your brain for no reason.....better look up that concussion protocol.
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Posted 2018-08-06 4:00 PM (#708517 - in reply to #708308)
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Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-08-06 4:32 PM (#708518 - in reply to #708515)
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You are confusing things man. We can debate whether or not drafting Lias was the right pick, although I don't know how you really do that in any factual way right now given Lias has played like 8 NHL games, but I digress. BUT that doesn't mean the Stepan trade was a bad trade for the # 7 pick in the draft. If the Lias pick is a miss, that makes it the wrong pick, it doesn't make it a bad trade value wise and cap wise.

And I think Lias is going to be a good player as well. Worst case in the same range as Stepan I believe. But again that is pure speculation at this point. We'll know a lot more after this upcoming season. We need to have patience with the 5 first round picks the past two drafts.




I agree with this. I am a big fan of Stepan despite the contract, he was under-appreciated and provided value, and I did not want to see him go. Having said that we got good enough value out of that deal, especially if you consider that the first step of the rebuild (a year early).

Saying Andersson was a missed pick at this point is absolutely ridiculous... we have two 18 year olds who already have NHL experience and could still both project to be top 6 centers. They get about 4 years before we can judge if they were busts or not.


ROR got traded twice and got 4 and 5 pieces for each trade....Lias may not be a missed pick but he was def a reach



Funny how in the ROR piece, you want to count the guy who went back to play in the KHL, but in some of your other diatribes, you blame the Ranger front office for Shestorkyin staying in Russia a few more years or Kravtsev going back for a year as bad moves. SMH... again

Girgorenko was the #12 or #16 pick in his draft I believe...he played a few seasons here then went back to KHL....But Nikita Zadorov is still there....best D man between Colorado, Buffalo and Us....Jt Compher 23 is a regular in the lineup too...I bet Buffalo regrets that trade....Where did I blame the Rangers FO for Shesty staying in Russia? come on man stop making stuff up smh.... right back at you
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-08-06 4:42 PM (#708519 - in reply to #708517)
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Steady Eddie - 2018-08-06 6:00 PM

Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


Unmittigated disaster of a draft and Summer....we traded Hagelin that Summer ...and went 0 for the draft
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2018-08-06 5:24 PM (#708520 - in reply to #708519)
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Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


Unmittigated disaster of a draft and Summer....we traded Hagelin that Summer ...and went 0 for the draft
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25 players selected, 1 thats right 1 plays for the Rangers now......Buchnevich
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Posted 2018-08-06 5:33 PM (#708521 - in reply to #708519)
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Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


Unmittigated disaster of a draft and Summer....we traded Hagelin that Summer ...and went 0 for the draft


Another miss in my opinion was not signing Marchessault. Thought he was our best player at 2011 Traverse City. Instead, we touted Ryan freaking Bourque. Two Gordie misses.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-08-06 6:38 PM (#708522 - in reply to #708520)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-06 7:24 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-06 4:42 PM

Steady Eddie - 2018-08-06 6:00 PM

Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


Unmittigated disaster of a draft and Summer....we traded Hagelin that Summer ...and went 0 for the draft
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2013 2014 2015 2016

25 players selected, 1 thats right 1 plays for the Rangers now......Buchnevich

Yet we have some in here that say Gordie is doing a good job... I think Gordie has drafted some 94 players since 2005 when he started...and some 13 made it to the Rangers....and some include guys that barely played for us

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-08-06 6:40 PM (#708524 - in reply to #708521)
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Steady Eddie - 2018-08-06 7:33 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-06 6:42 PM

Steady Eddie - 2018-08-06 6:00 PM

Just an FYI; Our 2015 4th round pick Brad Morrison, that we passed on signing, had a phenomenal 2018 WHL playoffs, leading in goals and assists, signed an ELC with the Kings.

Edit: Dump chiming in to say I told you so in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....


Unmittigated disaster of a draft and Summer....we traded Hagelin that Summer ...and went 0 for the draft


Another miss in my opinion was not signing Marchessault. Thought he was our best player at 2011 Traverse City. Instead, we touted Ryan freaking Bourque. Two Gordie misses.

I will take your word for it since I didnt see that tournament....But he does have an NHL job...another miss by Gordie lol
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Rangerjunkie
Posted 2018-08-06 6:55 PM (#708525 - in reply to #708308)
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I'm sure there are a lot of teams that have a lot of misses, but, 1 out of 25 in four years of drafts has to be the worst.
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Posted 2018-08-06 6:57 PM (#708526 - in reply to #708308)
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I went back and looked all the way back to 2000 ...1 here 2 there in some cases....total 0 fers in others.....If it was a baseball batting average it might be sub .100
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Posted 2018-08-06 6:58 PM (#708527 - in reply to #708525)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-06 8:55 PM

I'm sure there are a lot of teams that have a lot of misses, but, 1 out of 25 in four years of drafts has to be the worst.

EASILY the worst lol
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Posted 2018-08-06 7:04 PM (#708528 - in reply to #708308)
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EASILY....

They weren't singing rock me tonight after those drafts
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-08-06 7:07 PM (#708530 - in reply to #708308)
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hahahahahahahahahaha lol yep wooo....they should of had the CD taken away from them...they were not worthy!
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Posted 2018-08-07 11:13 AM (#708535 - in reply to #708308)
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In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.
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Posted 2018-08-07 11:46 AM (#708536 - in reply to #708535)
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concust - 2018-08-07 1:13 PM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.

Brendl, Lundmark, Jessiman, Montoya, Korpakoski, Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, McLrath, Jt Miller, were all 1sts ...Its well documented that the Rangers drafting has not been their strong suit
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Posted 2018-08-07 11:59 AM (#708537 - in reply to #708535)
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concust - 2018-08-07 11:13 AM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.


Interesting.....

If you look back a little bit, you'll see that Steady Eddie mentioned the 2015 draft, then the comment was made how that draft was an 0 for. I just looked at the most recent drafts to see how well the Rangers drafted. Call it cherry picking ok.........

If you think 1 out of 25 is good, your crazy!

Never said everyone sucks, 24 of the players drafted not playing with the team says it all.

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Posted 2018-08-07 12:04 PM (#708539 - in reply to #708308)
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No space for logic in my argument?? The argument if thats what you want to call is, 4 years of drafts, 25 players selected, 1 is with the team. Thats a fact!! No logic needed on my end
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Posted 2018-08-07 12:10 PM (#708540 - in reply to #708536)
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Mikey Red - 2018-08-07 11:46 AM

concust - 2018-08-07 1:13 PM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.

Brendl, Lundmark, Jessiman, Montoya, Korpakoski, Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, McLrath, Jt Miller, were all 1sts ...Its well documented that the Rangers drafting has not been their strong suit




All first rounders!!! 0 of these players are with the team, guess this isn't that bad either?
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Posted 2018-08-07 12:25 PM (#708541 - in reply to #708540)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 2:10 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-07 11:46 AM

concust - 2018-08-07 1:13 PM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.

Brendl, Lundmark, Jessiman, Montoya, Korpakoski, Sanguinetti, Del Zotto, McLrath, Jt Miller, were all 1sts ...Its well documented that the Rangers drafting has not been their strong suit




All first rounders!!! 0 of these players are with the team, guess this isn't that bad either?

Its sad that to some it probably isnt bad lol...
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Posted 2018-08-07 1:10 PM (#708542 - in reply to #708308)
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Honestly think you guys have Rangers myopia, stemming from not following other organizations prospect systems. Look at another team that had similar record and success in that time period, LA Kings, draft from same years - 2013 to 2016

LA had 1 first rounder, 5 second rounders, 27 total players drafted. So already between the firsts and seconds, you would expect them to have more NHL players. Because they have a first and 5 seconds as opposed to no firsts, and 2 seconds (NYR)

Out of 27 players they have one legit NHLer in Adrian Kempe (first rounder), and two other guys in the AHL (43 career NHL games between the two guys) still in the system

Aside from Kempe, no other player has played even half a season of NHL hockey. Only 7 of the 27 players selected even have one NHL game experience.

Again, you can say things suck all you want, that doesn't make it true. Look around the league at teams in similar competitive situations and you'll see this, but if you only look at Rangers drafts of course you'd think they suck, because you lack the context of how every other team drafts. Some are a little better, some are a little worse, but the Rangers are not any worse than average in this regard. Some of their misses were more glaring and that's probably where some of this comes from, but their drafting record when you look at it overall, is at least as good as other teams in the same situation.



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Posted 2018-08-07 1:14 PM (#708543 - in reply to #708537)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 12:59 PM

concust - 2018-08-07 11:13 AM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.


Interesting.....

If you look back a little bit, you'll see that Steady Eddie mentioned the 2015 draft, then the comment was made how that draft was an 0 for. I just looked at the most recent drafts to see how well the Rangers drafted. Call it cherry picking ok.........

If you think 1 out of 25 is good, your crazy!

Never said everyone sucks, 24 of the players drafted not playing with the team says it all.


I said you cherry picked because your year range is conveniently bookended by 2012 on the back end (Skjei) and Andersson/Chytil on the front end (who already have 16 games NHL experience) so you just happened to pick the years the Rangers pushed for the Cup and traded most of their firsts and seconds away and those just happen to be the high picks, most likely to make an impact. Just a coincidence right.

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Posted 2018-08-07 1:24 PM (#708544 - in reply to #708542)
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concust - 2018-08-07 3:10 PM

Honestly think you guys have Rangers myopia, stemming from not following other organizations prospect systems. Look at another team that had similar record and success in that time period, LA Kings, draft from same years - 2013 to 2016

LA had 1 first rounder, 5 second rounders, 27 total players drafted. So already between the firsts and seconds, you would expect them to have more NHL players. Because they have a first and 5 seconds as opposed to no firsts, and 2 seconds (NYR)

Out of 27 players they have one legit NHLer in Adrian Kempe (first rounder), and two other guys in the AHL (43 career NHL games between the two guys) still in the system

Aside from Kempe, no other player has played even half a season of NHL hockey. Only 7 of the 27 players selected even have one NHL game experience.

Again, you can say things suck all you want, that doesn't make it true. Look around the league at teams in similar competitive situations and you'll see this, but if you only look at Rangers drafts of course you'd think they suck, because you lack the context of how every other team drafts. Some are a little better, some are a little worse, but the Rangers are not any worse than average in this regard. Some of their misses were more glaring and that's probably where some of this comes from, but their drafting record when you look at it overall, is at least as good as other teams in the same situation.




And they won the SC twice recently
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Posted 2018-08-07 1:50 PM (#708546 - in reply to #708308)
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And go check out the Kings drafts from 2000-2012 https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/LAK/draft.html
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Posted 2018-08-07 1:57 PM (#708547 - in reply to #708308)
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Rangers good at drafting the 4th liners and scrubs
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Posted 2018-08-07 2:15 PM (#708548 - in reply to #708543)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 12:59 PM

concust - 2018-08-07 11:13 AM

In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.


Interesting.....

If you look back a little bit, you'll see that Steady Eddie mentioned the 2015 draft, then the comment was made how that draft was an 0 for. I just looked at the most recent drafts to see how well the Rangers drafted. Call it cherry picking ok.........

If you think 1 out of 25 is good, your crazy!

Never said everyone sucks, 24 of the players drafted not playing with the team says it all.


I said you cherry picked because your year range is conveniently bookended by 2012 on the back end (Skjei) and Andersson/Chytil on the front end (who already have 16 games NHL experience) so you just happened to pick the years the Rangers pushed for the Cup and traded most of their firsts and seconds away and those just happen to be the high picks, most likely to make an impact. Just a coincidence right.



Ok...

I actually didn't put in the 2017 draft because there's not enough info yet to say whether its a good or bad draft, just like this year..I am very hopeful for Chytil and Anderson.

Lets add in 2012 then since I conveniently left it out, Brady Skjei.... 2 out of 29 players drafted...BRAVO!!!! Unless you want to count Nieves of course.
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Posted 2018-08-07 2:23 PM (#708549 - in reply to #708308)
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Lol and to be honest...yes we dont know about Lias and Heatl yet....but the jury is absolutely still out on Skjei.......Alex Kovalev was the last truly electric offensive player we drafted.
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Posted 2018-08-07 2:25 PM (#708550 - in reply to #708548)
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In the four years you cherry-picked (2013-2016), the Rangers had 0 first round picks and 2 second round picks, so anyone paying attention would realize that 1/25 isn't that bad, when you consider a composite third rounder has something like a 6% chance of making the NHL anyway, and the chances for subsequent rounds drops precipitously from there.

But no space for logic in your arguments.... everyone just SUCKS because that's the easy explanation.


Interesting.....

If you look back a little bit, you'll see that Steady Eddie mentioned the 2015 draft, then the comment was made how that draft was an 0 for. I just looked at the most recent drafts to see how well the Rangers drafted. Call it cherry picking ok.........

If you think 1 out of 25 is good, your crazy!

Never said everyone sucks, 24 of the players drafted not playing with the team says it all.


I said you cherry picked because your year range is conveniently bookended by 2012 on the back end (Skjei) and Andersson/Chytil on the front end (who already have 16 games NHL experience) so you just happened to pick the years the Rangers pushed for the Cup and traded most of their firsts and seconds away and those just happen to be the high picks, most likely to make an impact. Just a coincidence right.



Ok...

I actually didn't put in the 2017 draft because there's not enough info yet to say whether its a good or bad draft, just like this year..I am very hopeful for Chytil and Anderson.

Lets add in 2012 then since I conveniently left it out, Brady Skjei.... 2 out of 29 players drafted...BRAVO!!!! Unless you want to count Nieves of course.


The vast majority of players you draft will never play in the NHL, let alone for the team that drafted them. As I said before this is the norm for all teams and you are making it out like the Rangers are unique in this regard.

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Posted 2018-08-07 2:28 PM (#708551 - in reply to #708544)
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concust - 2018-08-07 3:10 PM

Honestly think you guys have Rangers myopia, stemming from not following other organizations prospect systems. Look at another team that had similar record and success in that time period, LA Kings, draft from same years - 2013 to 2016

LA had 1 first rounder, 5 second rounders, 27 total players drafted. So already between the firsts and seconds, you would expect them to have more NHL players. Because they have a first and 5 seconds as opposed to no firsts, and 2 seconds (NYR)

Out of 27 players they have one legit NHLer in Adrian Kempe (first rounder), and two other guys in the AHL (43 career NHL games between the two guys) still in the system

Aside from Kempe, no other player has played even half a season of NHL hockey. Only 7 of the 27 players selected even have one NHL game experience.

Again, you can say things suck all you want, that doesn't make it true. Look around the league at teams in similar competitive situations and you'll see this, but if you only look at Rangers drafts of course you'd think they suck, because you lack the context of how every other team drafts. Some are a little better, some are a little worse, but the Rangers are not any worse than average in this regard. Some of their misses were more glaring and that's probably where some of this comes from, but their drafting record when you look at it overall, is at least as good as other teams in the same situation.




And they won the SC twice recently


Exactly, which is one of the reasons I chose them. In 13-16 they, like the Rangers, were one of the top teams in the league, so they would have similar motivations (win now) and draft positions. And similarly, their draft rate over this time period is similar.

Not that hard to follow.
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Posted 2018-08-07 2:29 PM (#708552 - in reply to #708308)
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I promise you that this isn't my intention...

I don't care about how other teams draft, I'm a Ranger fan, I only care how they draft!!
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Posted 2018-08-07 2:34 PM (#708554 - in reply to #708551)
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concust - 2018-08-07 4:28 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-08-07 2:24 PM

concust - 2018-08-07 3:10 PM

Honestly think you guys have Rangers myopia, stemming from not following other organizations prospect systems. Look at another team that had similar record and success in that time period, LA Kings, draft from same years - 2013 to 2016

LA had 1 first rounder, 5 second rounders, 27 total players drafted. So already between the firsts and seconds, you would expect them to have more NHL players. Because they have a first and 5 seconds as opposed to no firsts, and 2 seconds (NYR)

Out of 27 players they have one legit NHLer in Adrian Kempe (first rounder), and two other guys in the AHL (43 career NHL games between the two guys) still in the system

Aside from Kempe, no other player has played even half a season of NHL hockey. Only 7 of the 27 players selected even have one NHL game experience.

Again, you can say things suck all you want, that doesn't make it true. Look around the league at teams in similar competitive situations and you'll see this, but if you only look at Rangers drafts of course you'd think they suck, because you lack the context of how every other team drafts. Some are a little better, some are a little worse, but the Rangers are not any worse than average in this regard. Some of their misses were more glaring and that's probably where some of this comes from, but their drafting record when you look at it overall, is at least as good as other teams in the same situation.




And they won the SC twice recently


Exactly, which is one of the reasons I chose them. In 13-16 they, like the Rangers, were one of the top teams in the league, so they would have similar motivations (win now) and draft positions. And similarly, their draft rate over this time period is similar.

Not that hard to follow.

Yeah but we botched our drafts and couldnt build a Kings team like they did....and made many bad trades
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Posted 2018-08-07 2:35 PM (#708555 - in reply to #708552)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 4:29 PM

I promise you that this isn't my intention...

I don't care about how other teams draft, I'm a Ranger fan, I only care how they draft!!

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Posted 2018-08-07 3:26 PM (#708556 - in reply to #708552)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 4:29 PM

I promise you that this isn't my intention...

I don't care about how other teams draft, I'm a Ranger fan, I only care how they draft!!


That does not change the fact that your expectations are unreasonable.
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Posted 2018-08-07 6:15 PM (#708558 - in reply to #708556)
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Rangerjunkie - 2018-08-07 4:29 PM

I promise you that this isn't my intention...

I don't care about how other teams draft, I'm a Ranger fan, I only care how they draft!!


That does not change the fact that your expectations are unreasonable.
Isn't that the Ranger way?
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