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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-23 11:05 AM (#709623 - in reply to #709622)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-23 8:59 AM

I hear ya...but the counter point is that he is on a stacked team and the rest of the League is chit


Blueshirt banter trash comments. Some random poster guesses right on a draft pick and now he's a Ranger insider.

hahahaha yep...I hate most of the people on that site altho I am not a member
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Posted 2018-09-23 8:10 PM (#709625 - in reply to #709618)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-23 10:59 AM

I hear ya...but the counter point is that he is on a stacked team and the rest of the League is chit
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The rest of the league isn't chit... He IS on a good team... no doubt... but as good as they are, they started out with a 3-2 record with Hellberg... and have gone 4-0 with Shestyorkin... 2 of the wins were shutouts....

It's the undeniable second best league in the world, and Shesty is one of, if not THE best goalie in that league.... if he keeps this pace, he will be...

They like Olof Lindbom, but goalies tend to take longer to develop... Igor is coming next year, so let's imagine the likely scenario of him being Lundqvist's backup at the begining of next season..... if we didn't draft Lindbom, our prospect pool would be EMPTY.

By the time Lindbom is NHL ready, Lundqvist will be retired, Shestyorkin will be starter with a few years NHL experience, and best case scenario we have a goalie controversy... for maybe a year or two, and then we can sell one for a premium!

I guess we could've drafted another freaking defenseman, or something, but they made a really smart decision to restock the goalie position while they had the chance.

Nothing is guarenteed for next year's draft.

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Posted 2018-09-24 9:16 AM (#709631 - in reply to #709167)
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Igor's KHL contract will expire at the end of the season. He will be 23 next season. Same age Hank was when he became our starter.
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Posted 2018-09-24 9:24 AM (#709632 - in reply to #709622)
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Vua - 2018-09-23 11:48 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-09-23 8:59 AM

I hear ya...but the counter point is that he is on a stacked team and the rest of the League is chit


Blueshirt banter trash comments. Some random poster guesses right on a draft pick and now he's a Ranger insider.


Not sure if you're referring to a specific trash comment or not, but there is truth to Shestyerkin's stats being inflated due to the team he plays on. (How much so, is a matter of debate).

This certainly is not to take away from his talents or his abilities or his status as the Rangers' top goaltending prospect, but many goaltending stats are heavily influenced by team and it's important to see his stats in context.
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Posted 2018-09-24 9:30 AM (#709633 - in reply to #709625)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-23 10:59 AM

I hear ya...but the counter point is that he is on a stacked team and the rest of the League is chit
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The rest of the league isn't chit... He IS on a good team... no doubt... but as good as they are, they started out with a 3-2 record with Hellberg... and have gone 4-0 with Shestyorkin... 2 of the wins were shutouts....

It's the undeniable second best league in the world, and Shesty is one of, if not THE best goalie in that league.... if he keeps this pace, he will be...

They like Olof Lindbom, but goalies tend to take longer to develop... Igor is coming next year, so let's imagine the likely scenario of him being Lundqvist's backup at the begining of next season..... if we didn't draft Lindbom, our prospect pool would be EMPTY.

By the time Lindbom is NHL ready, Lundqvist will be retired, Shestyorkin will be starter with a few years NHL experience, and best case scenario we have a goalie controversy... for maybe a year or two, and then we can sell one for a premium!

I guess we could've drafted another freaking defenseman, or something, but they made a really smart decision to restock the goalie position while they had the chance.

Nothing is guarenteed for next year's draft.


I totally agree with continuing to take goaltenders because they are so difficult to draft with any certainty, and you need to keep the pipeline stocked. It wasn't so long ago that people were thinking that Skapski or Halverson would be the heir apparent. Meanwhile, other unheraleded guys (Wall, Nell, Huska) have moved up the depth chart.

I have no problem with Lindbom as a player but my criticism of him was of draft position (and therefore the Rangers' draft strategy). Like Keane, Lindbom is a player I thought (many thought) could be drafted much later. So there's a bit of the Rangers leaving some value on the table by drafting him early.

Having said that it's water under the bridge at this point, I want them to draft smart but if he turns out to be good, it won't matter if he's a first rounder, a third rounder, or an undrafted FA.

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Posted 2018-09-24 9:37 AM (#709634 - in reply to #709625)
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robstones - 2018-09-23 9:10 PM

They like Olof Lindbom, but goalies tend to take longer to develop... Igor is coming next year, so let's imagine the likely scenario of him being Lundqvist's backup at the begining of next season..... if we didn't draft Lindbom, our prospect pool would be EMPTY.


Sorry rob but have to call this out, this is not true. Georgiev has a very good shot at backing up this year. Probably does not project to be a starter but he's young still. Huska started slow but had an incredible second half. Lindbom certainly helps add to the depth but it's not like the goaltending cupboard is bare. The Ragners have actually done a very good job managing the goaltending pipeline in the past 6-8 years or so.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-24 9:46 AM (#709637 - in reply to #709167)
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PROJECTED #NYR LINEUP FOR TONIGHT vs NJ:

GOALTENDERS
Lundqvist
Mazanec

SKATERS
McLeod
Hayes
Fast
Staal
Kreider
Claesson
Zuccarello
Fogarty
Beleskey
Smith
Pionk
Andersson
Skjei
DeAngelo
Buchnevich
Zibanejad
Lettieri
Gettinger
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-24 9:48 AM (#709638 - in reply to #709167)
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Gryba is in the lineup for NJ.....I hope justice is served quickly.....Looks like Heatl is in the press box
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-24 9:50 AM (#709639 - in reply to #709167)
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Has Lindquist played since Game 1?...Not sure what they still want to see out of Fogarty
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Posted 2018-09-25 10:06 AM (#709792 - in reply to #709639)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-24 8:50 AM

Has Lindquist played since Game 1?...Not sure what they still want to see out of Fogarty


My guess on Fogarty is that they may look at moving him in a minor league deal...a bit of playing time might give others a chance to see his play
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-25 10:14 AM (#709793 - in reply to #709792)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-24 8:50 AM

Has Lindquist played since Game 1?...Not sure what they still want to see out of Fogarty


My guess on Fogarty is that they may look at moving him in a minor league deal...a bit of playing time might give others a chance to see his play

Fair enough !
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Posted 2018-09-25 2:16 PM (#709799 - in reply to #709632)
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Vua - 2018-09-23 11:48 AM

Mikey Red - 2018-09-23 8:59 AM

I hear ya...but the counter point is that he is on a stacked team and the rest of the League is chit


Blueshirt banter trash comments. Some random poster guesses right on a draft pick and now he's a Ranger insider.


Not sure if you're referring to a specific trash comment or not, but there is truth to Shestyerkin's stats being inflated due to the team he plays on. (How much so, is a matter of debate).

This certainly is not to take away from his talents or his abilities or his status as the Rangers' top goaltending prospect, but many goaltending stats are heavily influenced by team and it's important to see his stats in context.


Actually it was a specific comment as he was saying the Rangers feel Shestyorkin is overrated because of his team(his team isn't that dominant) and they are going to try and sign Panarin and Bobrovsky after this season. Then he mentions his prowess of getting the Kravtsov pick right and others chime in with their belief he's right because of this past insider info he has at his finger tips.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-26 7:39 AM (#709805 - in reply to #709167)
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Todays article Brooks does not have Lias making the team at this point.....When our friend RangerNut posts it we can read it!
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Posted 2018-09-26 9:11 AM (#709808 - in reply to #709167)
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Tonights game ......I guess Lindquist and Meskanen are hype

GOALTENDERS
Lundqvist
Mazanec

SKATERS
Staal
Kreider
Shattenkirk
Spooner
Vesey
Zuccarello
Pionk
Howden
Andersson
McQuaid
Chytil
Crawley
Skjei
Buchnevich
Namestnikov
Zibanejad
Lettieri
Gettinger
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-26 9:12 AM (#709809 - in reply to #709167)
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And I guess its Pionk tonight vs TD tomorrow night for a D spot
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-26 9:21 AM (#709810 - in reply to #709167)
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Hijak and Lindgren MIA also
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Posted 2018-09-26 10:36 AM (#709816 - in reply to #709808)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-26 10:11 AM

Tonights game ......I guess Lindquist and Meskanen are hype


Yeah I don't think anyone expected them to make the NHL roster out of the gate. Same with Hajek and Lindgren. Some AHL will do all of them some good.

Even this year where there are spots available, there are always fewer spots than prospects. I'm encouraged that Lettieri and Pionk are still around. TD has been better than I expected(not saying much) as has Crawley been a nice surprise, for the second training camp in a row.

Gettinger has played well, Belesky was doing better than I thought (RIP) and Howden has been good also (but definitely needs AHL time)

Personally I'd like to see the Rangers divest themselves of a "veteran" forward and a defenseman to make a little more room. If nothing else it'll be cheaper and you can get a future asset.
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Posted 2018-09-26 4:56 PM (#709835 - in reply to #709167)
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Meskanen had a decent showing... Lindqvist did not
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-27 8:33 AM (#709950 - in reply to #709167)
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Tonights lineup

GOALTENDERS
Tokarski
Georgiev

SKATERS
McLeod
Hayes
Fast
Shattenkirk
Vesey
Schneider
Lindqvist
Fogarty
Smith
Hajek
O’Gara
Howden
Andersson
McQuaid
Lindgren
Meskanen
Namestnikov
Lettieri
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-27 8:34 AM (#709951 - in reply to #709167)
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I guess Gropp is not loved...heatl in the press box again
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Posted 2018-09-27 8:47 AM (#709952 - in reply to #709951)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-27 7:34 AM

I guess Gropp is not loved...heatl in the press box again


Not surprising in my mind, seems to me he's really at best an AHLer at this point
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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-27 8:51 AM (#709953 - in reply to #709952)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-27 7:34 AM

I guess Gropp is not loved...heatl in the press box again


Not surprising in my mind, seems to me he's really at best an AHLer at this point

I would sure rather see Gropp tonight than Lindqist
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Posted 2018-09-27 9:13 AM (#709954 - in reply to #709167)
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No TD again....interesting
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Posted 2018-09-27 11:40 AM (#709958 - in reply to #709167)
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OFFICIAL: #NYR have made the following changes to the #NYRTC roster:
Fontaine, Gettinger, Gilmour, and Gropp have been assigned to @WolfPackAHL.

Butler and Melanson, have been released from their respective Tryouts and will join the Wolf Pack Training Camp.
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Posted 2018-09-27 12:31 PM (#709960 - in reply to #709167)
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Thought Gilnour and Gettinger would go down with the rest of them, but guess they will have a day or so head start
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Posted 2018-09-27 3:07 PM (#709964 - in reply to #709835)
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robstones - 2018-09-26 5:56 PM

Meskanen had a decent showing... Lindqvist did not


Meskanen at least brought some energy to his game. Lindqvist was wholly forgettable.
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Posted 2018-09-27 3:09 PM (#709965 - in reply to #709958)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-27 12:40 PM

OFFICIAL: #NYR have made the following changes to the #NYRTC roster:
Fontaine, Gettinger, Gilmour, and Gropp have been assigned to @WolfPackAHL.

Butler and Melanson, have been released from their respective Tryouts and will join the Wolf Pack Training Camp.


No surprises here. Gettinger and Gilmour at least built a good case and reputation for themselves and put themselves in line for an injury callup.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2018-09-27 3:14 PM (#709968 - in reply to #709964)
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robstones - 2018-09-26 5:56 PM

Meskanen had a decent showing... Lindqvist did not


Meskanen at least brought some energy to his game. Lindqvist was wholly forgettable.

Very good question to ask what Lindqvist is still doing up here
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Posted 2018-09-27 3:56 PM (#709972 - in reply to #709958)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-27 11:40 AM

OFFICIAL: #NYR have made the following changes to the #NYRTC roster:
Fontaine, Gettinger, Gilmour, and Gropp have been assigned to @WolfPackAHL.

Butler and Melanson, have been released from their respective Tryouts and will join the Wolf Pack Training Camp.


Gropp is sent down? Did Dump predict he'd be great?
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Posted 2018-09-27 4:04 PM (#709976 - in reply to #709167)
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No surprises, although the two so called big Swedish league signings should have both went with them.
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Posted 2018-09-27 4:07 PM (#709977 - in reply to #709972)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-27 11:40 AM

OFFICIAL: #NYR have made the following changes to the #NYRTC roster:
Fontaine, Gettinger, Gilmour, and Gropp have been assigned to @WolfPackAHL.

Butler and Melanson, have been released from their respective Tryouts and will join the Wolf Pack Training Camp.


Gropp is sent down? Did Dump predict he'd be great?

hahahahaha
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Posted 2018-09-27 4:07 PM (#709978 - in reply to #709976)
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Rranger - 2018-09-27 6:04 PM

No surprises, although the two so called big Swedish league signings should have both went with them.

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Posted 2018-09-27 4:08 PM (#709979 - in reply to #709977)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-27 11:40 AM

OFFICIAL: #NYR have made the following changes to the #NYRTC roster:
Fontaine, Gettinger, Gilmour, and Gropp have been assigned to @WolfPackAHL.

Butler and Melanson, have been released from their respective Tryouts and will join the Wolf Pack Training Camp.


Gropp is sent down? Did Dump predict he'd be great?

hahahahaha


Oh look what we have here. We'll probably never see the guy again.

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-07-23 5:24 PM

McIlrath was screwed over by our pansy coach who thinks all defenseman have to pass and that physical play means nothing. Thus, why the slot is always filled with forwards in front of Hank. We also didn't give away Hagelin for free you imbecile. We used that pick to get Gropp. Gropp has the potential to be a big time, forward for us down the line. Hagelin got 4 million a season. He's a role player. Nothing more. He sucked this year. He sucked offensively for our team in the playoffs.
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Posted 2018-09-27 4:17 PM (#709980 - in reply to #709979)
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Mikey Red - 2018-09-27 4:07 PM

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Mikey Red - 2018-09-27 11:40 AM

OFFICIAL: #NYR have made the following changes to the #NYRTC roster:
Fontaine, Gettinger, Gilmour, and Gropp have been assigned to @WolfPackAHL.

Butler and Melanson, have been released from their respective Tryouts and will join the Wolf Pack Training Camp.


Gropp is sent down? Did Dump predict he'd be great?

hahahahaha


Oh look what we have here. We'll probably never see the guy again.

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-07-23 5:24 PM

McIlrath was screwed over by our pansy coach who thinks all defenseman have to pass and that physical play means nothing. Thus, why the slot is always filled with forwards in front of Hank. We also didn't give away Hagelin for free you imbecile. We used that pick to get Gropp. Gropp has the potential to be a big time, forward for us down the line. Hagelin got 4 million a season. He's a role player. Nothing more. He sucked this year. He sucked offensively for our team in the playoffs.

Wooooooo
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Posted 2018-09-27 9:32 PM (#710085 - in reply to #709979)
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Vua - 2018-09-27 6:08 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-09-27 4:07 PM

Vua - 2018-09-27 5:56 PM

Mikey Red - 2018-09-27 11:40 AM

OFFICIAL: #NYR have made the following changes to the #NYRTC roster:
Fontaine, Gettinger, Gilmour, and Gropp have been assigned to @WolfPackAHL.

Butler and Melanson, have been released from their respective Tryouts and will join the Wolf Pack Training Camp.


Gropp is sent down? Did Dump predict he'd be great?

hahahahaha


Oh look what we have here. We'll probably never see the guy again.

itsmcilrathtime - 2017-07-23 5:24 PM

McIlrath was screwed over by our pansy coach who thinks all defenseman have to pass and that physical play means nothing. Thus, why the slot is always filled with forwards in front of Hank. We also didn't give away Hagelin for free you imbecile. We used that pick to get Gropp. Gropp has the potential to be a big time, forward for us down the line. Hagelin got 4 million a season. He's a role player. Nothing more. He sucked this year. He sucked offensively for our team in the playoffs.
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