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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-05-04 12:32 PM (#725266 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-05-04 2:27 PM (#725268 - in reply to #725182)
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I'm fine with swapping Shatt with Fox, and that's it... If Staal stays, that's fine.... to start the season.

Skjei DeAngelo
Staal Fox
Hajek Pionk
Lindgren

Would be ok until the trade deadline where after most of a seaso of experience for the rookies, they can unload Staal and/or Pionk





I'm ok with that except I'd move Pionk for a veteran type or at least sign one. I'd even take Girardi back for a year or two. Freed from Chewys no mind defense he'd be fine for a year or two playing meat and potatoes defense for the Rangers. And more importantly he'd have their back. They are going to neneed some of that. Then Easily replace the Girardi type a year or two down the road Lunkvist ect.


No, No No - a thousand times no to a Gerardi return. Have we learned nothing? Have you watched Gerardi in Tampa?

We need to get rid of d-men skating in quicksand (Shattenkirk) or well past their prime (Staal). We've got a rebuild going - why on earth go backwards now?



I'm suggesting Girardi if nothing else isn't out there, or a player who brings his intangibles.

Yes they can learn alot from him on not what to do, like standing around with your thumb up your Ass while McD gets his ass kicked in... Thats a BIG no for me on Girardi
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Posted 2019-05-04 3:44 PM (#725270 - in reply to #723832)
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Props to Gorton for the Zucc kicker if Dallas wins two rounds. I think he did a lot of thinking and negotiating to get that thrown in the deal. Looking like a somewhat unexpected first rounder coming our way. Nice job on Gortons end. He's done a lot of good things since the letter went out, and it's looking like the Rangers have a excellent GM in place. Sorta like the Ilses.
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Posted 2019-05-04 3:45 PM (#725271 - in reply to #725268)
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ej17 - 2019-05-04 1:27 PM

Rranger - 2019-05-03 10:40 AM

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Rranger - 2019-05-01 6:16 PM

robstones - 2019-05-01 11:54 AM

I'm fine with swapping Shatt with Fox, and that's it... If Staal stays, that's fine.... to start the season.

Skjei DeAngelo
Staal Fox
Hajek Pionk
Lindgren

Would be ok until the trade deadline where after most of a seaso of experience for the rookies, they can unload Staal and/or Pionk





I'm ok with that except I'd move Pionk for a veteran type or at least sign one. I'd even take Girardi back for a year or two. Freed from Chewys no mind defense he'd be fine for a year or two playing meat and potatoes defense for the Rangers. And more importantly he'd have their back. They are going to neneed some of that. Then Easily replace the Girardi type a year or two down the road Lunkvist ect.


No, No No - a thousand times no to a Gerardi return. Have we learned nothing? Have you watched Gerardi in Tampa?

We need to get rid of d-men skating in quicksand (Shattenkirk) or well past their prime (Staal). We've got a rebuild going - why on earth go backwards now?



I'm suggesting Girardi if nothing else isn't out there, or a player who brings his intangibles.

Yes they can learn alot from him on not what to do, like standing around with your thumb up your Ass while McD gets his ass kicked in... Thats a BIG no for me on Girardi



Mcdonagh got his was kicked every time he mixed it up. GIRADI was probably just tired.
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robstones
Posted 2019-05-04 4:33 PM (#725272 - in reply to #723832)
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Leave Staal alone until the trade deadline, at least. Hajek and Lindgren both have to earn their NHL time

Skjei is coming in to his own, though. After another full season under his belt getting 1st pair minutes.... having learned from McDonagh and Staal already....

We need to start loving our former 1st round picks a little more.

Skjei, Staal, Kreider.... they get beat up way more than they should.... not so much Skjei, I suppose, but the other two are quality players. I wouldn't mind seeing Staal retire a Ranger. I don't care what anyone says, he's as true blue as Lundqvist..... he's seen and been through so much. ALL the ups and downs....
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Posted 2019-05-04 7:40 PM (#725275 - in reply to #725270)
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Props to Gorton for the Zucc kicker if Dallas wins two rounds. I think he did a lot of thinking and negotiating to get that thrown in the deal. Looking like a somewhat unexpected first rounder coming our way. Nice job on Gortons end. He's done a lot of good things since the letter went out, and it's looking like the Rangers have a excellent GM in place. Sorta like the Ilses.


I may have to eat crow after ranting about those kickers being fools gold. Though in my defense I can't imagine anyone predicting all the division winners being out in the first round.
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Posted 2019-05-04 10:25 PM (#725281 - in reply to #725275)
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Props to Gorton for the Zucc kicker if Dallas wins two rounds. I think he did a lot of thinking and negotiating to get that thrown in the deal. Looking like a somewhat unexpected first rounder coming our way. Nice job on Gortons end. He's done a lot of good things since the letter went out, and it's looking like the Rangers have a excellent GM in place. Sorta like the Ilses.


I may have to eat crow after ranting about those kickers being fools gold. Though in my defense I can't imagine anyone predicting all the division winners being out in the first round.





Been a wierd year. But looks like the Dallas trade condition might turn into a very astute move on Gorton's part. Although I don't think many on here myself included put any money on it,
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Posted 2019-05-05 6:45 AM (#725282 - in reply to #725281)
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Props to Gorton for the Zucc kicker if Dallas wins two rounds. I think he did a lot of thinking and negotiating to get that thrown in the deal. Looking like a somewhat unexpected first rounder coming our way. Nice job on Gortons end. He's done a lot of good things since the letter went out, and it's looking like the Rangers have a excellent GM in place. Sorta like the Ilses.


I may have to eat crow after ranting about those kickers being fools gold. Though in my defense I can't imagine anyone predicting all the division winners being out in the first round.





Been a wierd year. But looks like the Dallas trade condition might turn into a very astute move on Gorton's part. Although I don't think many on here myself included put any money on it,


Dallas is one win away from sending their first rounder to NYR. Go Stars!

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Posted 2019-05-05 6:48 AM (#725284 - in reply to #723832)
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Actually, aside from the Lightning not winning the Cup, all the conditions from the deals we've made have worked out perfectly so far.

Lightning lose as early as possible (highest possible second round pick from them in 2019)
Jets lose in first round (now standing at a top-20 pick)
Stars one win away from fulfilling condition of Zucc trade

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Posted 2019-05-07 3:19 PM (#725375 - in reply to #723832)
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Saw Adam Fox play in the World Championships. He was good, not great. Good with the puck, skating better than advertised, a step behind in decision making IMO. It was his first ever game against pros, so some of that is understandable. On the flip side it was also Hughes' first game against pros and he was one of the best players on the ice.

Edit - sorry not technically the tournament, this is one of the pre-tournament games
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-05-07 3:56 PM (#725376 - in reply to #723832)
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Oh snap.... I thought I missed a game...I didnt see anything on NHL network...real games start the 10th
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Posted 2019-05-08 7:42 AM (#725424 - in reply to #725376)
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Mikey Red - 2019-05-07 4:56 PM

Oh snap.... I thought I missed a game...I didnt see anything on NHL network...real games start the 10th


I streamed it off the internets
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Posted 2019-05-08 4:24 PM (#725438 - in reply to #725272)
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Leave Staal alone until the trade deadline, at least. Hajek and Lindgren both have to earn their NHL time

Skjei is coming in to his own, though. After another full season under his belt getting 1st pair minutes.... having learned from McDonagh and Staal already....

We need to start loving our former 1st round picks a little more.

Skjei, Staal, Kreider.... they get beat up way more than they should.... not so much Skjei, I suppose, but the other two are quality players. I wouldn't mind seeing Staal retire a Ranger. I don't care what anyone says, he's as true blue as Lundqvist..... he's seen and been through so much. ALL the ups and downs....


As I've said hundreds of times. Rangers fans do nothing but bitch and complain about their defenseman. Even when the team was among the best in GA year after year. I respect Staal like I did Girardi. However. he like Hank either has to move on or retire. Personally, I'd like to see Lundqvist retire but if he wants a shot at a cup, he needs to accept a trade. Maybe Calgary. Maybe Toronto. I think on the right team he has one more run in him. The team is loaded with prospect at every position. Especially in goal and on the left side of the defense.
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Posted 2019-05-08 4:27 PM (#725439 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-05-09 8:55 AM (#725456 - in reply to #725272)
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robstones - 2019-05-04 5:33 PM

We need to start loving our former 1st round picks a little more.



Let's bring McIlrath back! It's McIlrath time!
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Rranger
Posted 2019-05-11 4:28 PM (#725499 - in reply to #723832)
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Well so close for Dallas then a total bed **** in game seven. However still a chance Zucc signs with Dallas which would mean a first next season..

Edited by Rranger 2019-05-16 6:29 AM
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Posted 2019-06-05 3:30 PM (#725944 - in reply to #723832)
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Scott Wheeler from the Athletic did a 2016 redraft. This is what he had to say about Fox, who jumped into the top 10 for that year.

9. Montreal Canadiens: Adam Fox
Actual draft pick: No. 66 (change: +57) to Calgary
My final ranking: No. 29 (change: +20)

Remember when I said that this ranking was going to be based on my evaluations? Well here we are at the point where a kid who has yet to play an NHL game gets ranked ahead of several who are a season or two deep into their NHL careers. I’m confident Fox is going to be that good. He’s one of those players who is going to spend so much time with the puck on his stick on offence that concerns over the ability of a smaller defender to be a No. 1 are quickly going to be muted. Fox is a stud who just had the most productive season by an NCAA defenceman (1.45 points per game!) since I began doing this whole scouting things six years ago (breaking the record of 1.08 points per game that he tied two seasons before). This is a kid, who, as a defenceman, posted 17 more points than his nearest teammate while playing to a plus-23 rating on a Harvard team that spent more time outside of USA Today’s national NCAA ranking than it did inside it. He’s going to immediately become an impact player for the Rangers and will probably go down as the second-biggest steal of the 2016 draft (if that’s possible for a kid who never played for the team that drafted him) to Alex DeBrincat. Like DeBrincat, I was considerably higher on Fox than the NHL consensus, so that’s good, but I was still too low on him. The kid led the NCAA in points per game (not just defencemen, everyone)!

2018-2019 season (Junior, NCAA): 48 points (9G, 39A), 33 games. Hobey Baker Award Finalist.

Rest of the article is here https://theathletic.com/975897/2019/06/05/wheeler-a-2016-nhl-draft-r... but obviously it's paywalled and I know you cheap bast*rds are too busy reading fansided instead but consider subscribing for more quality content and analysis.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-05 3:50 PM (#725945 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-06-06 7:53 AM (#725947 - in reply to #725945)
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I would like to see the 2017 re draft


Mittlestadt 1OA?
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Posted 2019-06-06 8:17 AM (#725948 - in reply to #725456)
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robstones - 2019-05-04 5:33 PM

We need to start loving our former 1st round picks a little more.



Let's bring McIlrath back! It's McIlrath time!


Ha no, but I think there was definitely a window where he should've been promoted and given more NHL time, but instead was denied and it ruined him. He was ready. We all knew it here, and it was at a time when we needed a physical presence.

A lot of a players development and overall play is mental. The organization didn't do much to make him a confident player. Punished him for fighting.... even though it's a part of his game.... seemingly why they drafted him....
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:06 AM (#725949 - in reply to #725947)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-05 4:50 PM

I would like to see the 2017 re draft


Mittlestadt 1OA?

Haha him or Necas...more importantly does Lias still get picked in Rd 1
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:20 AM (#725950 - in reply to #725948)
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robstones - 2019-06-06 7:17 AM

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robstones - 2019-05-04 5:33 PM

We need to start loving our former 1st round picks a little more.



Let's bring McIlrath back! It's McIlrath time!


Ha no, but I think there was definitely a window where he should've been promoted and given more NHL time, but instead was denied and it ruined him. He was ready. We all knew it here, and it was at a time when we needed a physical presence.

A lot of a players development and overall play is mental. The organization didn't do much to make him a confident player. Punished him for fighting.... even though it's a part of his game.... seemingly why they drafted him....


I didn't like the pick when they drafted him, saw little to change my opinion afterwards. Maybe in a different era he would have been a good pick, but just didn't see the puck-moving ability, nor the speed in the defensive end that would make him a staple in today's game. Aside from that, I don't think it was a lack of opportunity as much as injuries that slowed down any potential he might have had
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:25 AM (#725952 - in reply to #723832)
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in 2010 Rangers missed Fowler Schwartz Tarasenko Watson Bjugstad Hayes Kuznetzov Coyle and Nelson...At the time of the pick Pierre said no way. Gordie should have been fired for that too
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:39 AM (#725953 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:47 AM (#725954 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-06-06 1:31 PM (#725955 - in reply to #725949)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-05 4:50 PM

I would like to see the 2017 re draft


Mittlestadt 1OA?

Haha him or Necas...more importantly does Lias still get picked in Rd 1


At this point, absolutely. There's no one outside the first round that would force themselves into the first round. So unless there are multiple prospects all doing this, then yes he's still a first rounder for sure. Top 10, highly doubtful. Personally I'd put him in the 15-20 range at this point in a redraft.
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Posted 2019-06-06 10:40 PM (#725960 - in reply to #723832)
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https://www.draftsite.com/mydraftsite/GMJack/nhl/redraft/2017/

Here's a redraft....

They reached for both Chytil and Andersson, mind you..... Chytil was seen as a 2nd rounder.... Rangers liked him, and grabbed him at 21.... now he's a top 10 pick in any redraft. If they picked him at 7 knowing what we know now, we'd have no problem with the pick..... most of us anyway.
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Andersson was on most boards at around the 13th 14th overall. He was always seen as a 1st rounder.... just not a top 10 pick. According to this he should've gone at 12

Had he slipped to 21st overall, he'd be seen as a steal! The fact that both players have as much NHL time under their belts as they do is a win. These players are still YOUNG! Cody Glass
hasn't seen NHL ice.... Lias has 49 games under his belt. Though he's not a rookie, this will be his first full season, and he should have plenty of talent to play with
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Posted 2019-09-03 11:51 AM (#727804 - in reply to #723832)
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Posted 2019-09-10 11:28 AM (#727895 - in reply to #723832)
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