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Posted 2019-06-18 6:46 AM (#726281 - in reply to #726257)
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-18 6:52 AM (#726282 - in reply to #726280)
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You can't say York is gonna be as good as Trouba right now....thats silly. Rangers are loaded for F'n bear now. there is a new concept and culture. We are making a team full of big kids. We now have 12 first round picks in our lineup right now.

How bad is it in Winnipeg? rumors many players want out.... Did Trouba tell Chevy he is only going to sign long term with the Rangers because of the Wife thing? Chevy is known as a ball buster. Last time we tried to make this deal a guy on the BSU radio podcast said his info was Trouba for Skjei and JT Miller.

Is this the new NHL where you aren't gonna get good value back for your good players?

Word is Gorton is absolutely not done here....OMG Trouba is on cap friendly woooooooo

Big Bad Rangers are coming
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:02 AM (#726283 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:06 AM (#726285 - in reply to #726282)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 5:52 AM

Word is Gorton is absolutely not done here....OMG Trouba is on cap friendly woooooooo

Big Bad Rangers are coming


We'll have to wait and see whether hes ultimately cap-friendly, wouldn't be surprised to see 6-7 year deal with possibly $6-7M per year...not sure that's particularly cap friendly
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:13 AM (#726286 - in reply to #726235)
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Haha Mikey clear the track. This is a no brainer once the Rangers knew Pionk and the 20th would do it. Even if he doesn't sign long term dump him prior to the next deadline, Gorton has himself in a position of he's not going to get less back if he has to trade him. But He's here to stay, and signifies a pretty big move or two on the D coming up. I think Shattenkirk is gone somehow, and the Rangers keep Staal another year unless there is a low cost option to move him. Looking like Trouba, Staal, Skjei, DeAngelo, and Hajek, Fox and Lindgren. Bring it.

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Posted 2019-06-18 7:16 AM (#726287 - in reply to #726285)
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Fish - 2019-06-18 8:06 AM

Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 5:52 AM

Word is Gorton is absolutely not done here....OMG Trouba is on cap friendly woooooooo

Big Bad Rangers are coming


We'll have to wait and see whether hes ultimately cap-friendly, wouldn't be surprised to see 6-7 year deal with possibly $6-7M per year...not sure that's particularly cap friendly


Fish your numbers would be a steal. (another steal?) Expect 7 years $7.5m at a minimum would be my guess.

I was never a "Trouba-guy", not because he's not a good defenseman but I didn't see value in trading for him and then having to pony up for the contract. The trade is by any account a steal, the numbers if they can work out to what I have above is not that bad especially if you're sunsetting older, worse contracts. It might be a slight "new york premium" but if you're going to overpay a guy, make it a 25 year old entering his prime, rather than overpaying a couple of depth guys.

Just keep in mind though, Trouba is instantly our best defenseman but he's not an elite defenseman, he's not even a top-10 defenseman. There's still a ton of work to be done on the defensive side of the puck. This is definitely a good start though.
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:22 AM (#726288 - in reply to #726286)
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Rranger - 2019-06-18 8:13 AM

Haha Mikey clear the track. This is a no brainer once the Rangers knew Pionk and the 20th would do it. Even if he doesn't sign long term dump him prior to the next deadline, Gorton has himself in a position of he's not going to get less back if he has to trade him. But He's here to stay, and signifies a pretty big move or two on the D coming up. I think Shattenkirk is gone somehow, and the Rangers keep Staal another year unless there is a low cost option to move him. Looking like Trouba, Staal, Skjei, DeAngelo, and Hajek, Fox and Lindgren. Bring it.


Even though they got him cheap, I fully expect them to do what it takes to sign him long term. Word is that teams dropped out once they realized that they weren't allowed to talk to Trouba's agent, so any team looking to acquire him would need to do so with a high level of confidence that Trouba would sign there. (He's no stranger to holdouts after all). That drove the price down to the absolute floor.

I think you're right, this signals the end of Shattenkirk one way or another. You can't add Fox and Trouba to the right side and expect Shattenkirk to stay around. If they don't find a taker for him even at 50% retained (prior to or at the draft) they'll probably buy him out in the last week. Just my guess but looking at the numbers I don't see how it could work any other way. They could move Smith but that has a smaller impact on the cap, and then you're just carrying Shattenkirk as a 6/7 defenseman? Doesn't make sense.
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:39 AM (#726290 - in reply to #726235)
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Chevaldayoff had to know this day could be coming. He thought he would be able to make a better deal this summer when they went for it in last year's playoffs. He backed himsrlf into a corner with Trouba, couldn't sign him and desperately needed cap room. Very poorly played by Cheveldayoff.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-18 7:46 AM (#726292 - in reply to #726235)
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Absolute home run of a deal.....and yes dance partners dropped out because its obvious Trouba said NYC only...LGR! Stud top pair RD.... I think Ryan Reaves is coming too
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:58 AM (#726294 - in reply to #726292)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 9:46 AM

Absolute home run of a deal.....and yes dance partners dropped out because its obvious Trouba said NYC only...LGR! Stud top pair RD.... I think Ryan Reaves is coming too

What makes you say that?
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Posted 2019-06-18 8:06 AM (#726295 - in reply to #726294)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 9:46 AM

Absolute home run of a deal.....and yes dance partners dropped out because its obvious Trouba said NYC only...LGR! Stud top pair RD.... I think Ryan Reaves is coming too

What makes you say that?

There is a guy on another site who seems to be connected with info ....he said Gorton isn’t done and bottom 6 toughness is coming at the draft...JD had Reaves in St. Louis...I have come across those thoughts out there lately
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Posted 2019-06-18 8:15 AM (#726296 - in reply to #726295)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 7:06 AM

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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 9:46 AM

Absolute home run of a deal.....and yes dance partners dropped out because its obvious Trouba said NYC only...LGR! Stud top pair RD.... I think Ryan Reaves is coming too

What makes you say that?

There is a guy on another site who seems to be connected with info ....he said Gorton isn’t done and bottom 6 toughness is coming at the draft...JD had Reaves in St. Louis...I have come across those thoughts out there lately




Good to hear if true, Ranger's never clicked with a fourth line last year. Good teams have good fourth lines not so good teams don't.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-18 9:00 AM (#726299 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 9:31 AM (#726306 - in reply to #726235)
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Successful modern teams employ 3 scoring lines and a fourth shutdown line. Rather than a guy like Reaves I'd much rather see toughness paired with defensive acumen. St Louis played this to a tee this year, they actually really started being successful once they got their fourth line working well together. It showed how valuable they were in the playoffs too, when their 4th unit had to be broken up it was generally a loss for the Blues. When you have basically nobodies that can match up against the other team's first line, and shut them down as the Blues did, that is an advantage that's greater than having an extra elite winger.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-18 9:34 AM (#726307 - in reply to #726235)
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Scorching hot goalie helps too
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Posted 2019-06-18 10:08 AM (#726308 - in reply to #726235)
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He wasn't though. Binnington was a story because he was a rookie backstopping a good team. His playoff performance was not great.
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Posted 2019-06-18 10:23 AM (#726309 - in reply to #726235)
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I actually would like Reaves. He's the toughest guy in the league. I would be willing to sacrifice some offense on the 4th line to make sure guys like Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov and perhaps Panarin aren't getting run. McQuaid made a big difference last year with that. When he left, it started again.
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Posted 2019-06-18 2:48 PM (#726311 - in reply to #726285)
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I've seen Trouba play for the Jets for years now. This is highway robbery on the part of the Rangers. They didn't even really give up any futures. They just handed back the pick from the Hayes rental and tossed them a UFDA who is, at best, a third pairing defender. Insanely bad move by Cheveldayoff, even given the circumstances he was in. But hey, who cares? For all the flack I gave Gorton the past couple years, he done did good here.

Fish - 2019-06-18 8:06 AM

We'll have to wait and see whether hes ultimately cap-friendly, wouldn't be surprised to see 6-7 year deal with possibly $6-7M per year...not sure that's particularly cap friendly


For a legit 1st-pairing RHD with size, speed, and shooting ability, who plays an in-your-face physical game and is effective in all situations? And is only 25!?!? If you get him for that amount you sit back and laugh.

Now Gorton's gotta put his focus on signing RFA's deciding which guys (like Kreider) should stay, and try to find some takers for the three albatrosses on the blueline. But I like this deal as well as the move to acquire Fox.



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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-18 2:55 PM (#726312 - in reply to #726311)
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Av-merican - 2019-06-18 4:48 PM

I've seen Trouba play for the Jets for years now. This is highway robbery on the part of the Rangers. They didn't even really give up any futures. They just handed back the pick from the Hayes rental and tossed them a UFDA who is, at best, a third pairing defender. Insanely bad move by Cheveldayoff, even given the circumstances he was in. But hey, who cares? For all the flack I gave Gorton the past couple years, he done did good here.

Fish - 2019-06-18 8:06 AM

We'll have to wait and see whether hes ultimately cap-friendly, wouldn't be surprised to see 6-7 year deal with possibly $6-7M per year...not sure that's particularly cap friendly


For a legit 1st-pairing RHD with size, speed, and shooting ability, who plays an in-your-face physical game and is effective in all situations? And is only 25!?!? If you get him for that amount you sit back and laugh.

Now Gorton's gotta put his focus on signing RFA's deciding which guys (like Kreider) should stay, and try to find some takers for the three albatrosses on the blueline. But I like this deal as well as the move to acquire Fox.


Absolutely! We have nothing in our system of his caliber
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Posted 2019-06-18 3:02 PM (#726313 - in reply to #726235)
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Mike your posts count will drop like 90% after the Trouba trade.
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Posted 2019-06-18 3:13 PM (#726314 - in reply to #726235)
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What has made JETS GM to trade Trouba for such a low low price?
1st round pick but it’s number 20 so that’s high number in order to have a bragging rights.
Salary cap perhaps as Fish has mentioned in his post?
Perhaps JETS GM wanted to redeem himself by getting back and hope for the best the #20 draft after losing #13.
Simply Trouba forced the trade to be a Ranger and gave JETS GM no choice?
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Posted 2019-06-18 3:26 PM (#726317 - in reply to #726314)
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Blue404 - 2019-06-18 5:13 PM

What has made JETS GM to trade Trouba for such a low low price?
1st round pick but it’s number 20 so that’s high number in order to have a bragging rights.
Salary cap perhaps as Fish has mentioned in his post?
Perhaps JETS GM wanted to redeem himself by getting back and hope for the best the #20 draft after losing #13.
Simply Trouba forced the trade to be a Ranger and gave JETS GM no choice?

Blue we finally did it! Wooooooooo Make the Rangers Great Again....Yep Trouba clearly made it known he will only sign long term with us thus chasing all of the Jets dance partners away and sending the price straight down to the sub floor
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Posted 2019-06-18 3:28 PM (#726318 - in reply to #726235)
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Reaves was very good for Las V in their run two years ago. That being said others are also out there that can probably kill penalties and settle opposing players down which is huge as seasons and playoffs wear on. Limited role players have gone by the bye.
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Posted 2019-06-18 3:54 PM (#726319 - in reply to #726317)
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Blue404 - 2019-06-18 5:13 PM

What has made JETS GM to trade Trouba for such a low low price?
1st round pick but it’s number 20 so that’s high number in order to have a bragging rights.
Salary cap perhaps as Fish has mentioned in his post?
Perhaps JETS GM wanted to redeem himself by getting back and hope for the best the #20 draft after losing #13.
Simply Trouba forced the trade to be a Ranger and gave JETS GM no choice?

Blue we finally did it! Wooooooooo Make the Rangers Great Again....Yep Trouba clearly made it known he will only sign long term with us thus chasing all of the Jets dance partners away and sending the price straight down to the sub floor


A friend told me, I was not aware, the wife wants to live & work in NY.
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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-18 4:36 PM (#726320 - in reply to #726319)
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Blue404 - 2019-06-18 5:13 PM

What has made JETS GM to trade Trouba for such a low low price?
1st round pick but it’s number 20 so that’s high number in order to have a bragging rights.
Salary cap perhaps as Fish has mentioned in his post?
Perhaps JETS GM wanted to redeem himself by getting back and hope for the best the #20 draft after losing #13.
Simply Trouba forced the trade to be a Ranger and gave JETS GM no choice?

Blue we finally did it! Wooooooooo Make the Rangers Great Again....Yep Trouba clearly made it known he will only sign long term with us thus chasing all of the Jets dance partners away and sending the price straight down to the sub floor


A friend told me, I was not aware, the wife wants to live & work in NY.

Yep...that was the driving force all along...She is in Med School and apparently has a job lined up or only wants to practice in NYC
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Posted 2019-06-18 4:37 PM (#726321 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:00 PM (#726323 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:05 PM (#726324 - in reply to #726323)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2019-06-18 9:00 PM

Can we start a rumor that Shattenkirk has evidence that HRC assassinated Kennedy?
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:55 PM (#726325 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 7:56 PM (#726326 - in reply to #726321)
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Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 6:37 PM

Blue....Trouba!
Seems I was incorrect,the count will go up.

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Posted 2019-06-18 8:00 PM (#726327 - in reply to #726326)
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Blue404 - 2019-06-18 9:56 PM

Mikey Red - 2019-06-18 6:37 PM

Blue....Trouba!
Seems I was incorrect,the count will go up.

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Mikey Red
Posted 2019-06-18 8:06 PM (#726328 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-18 8:13 PM (#726329 - in reply to #726235)
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Posted 2019-06-19 7:35 AM (#726330 - in reply to #726313)
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Mike your posts count will drop like 90% after the Trouba trade.


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Posted 2019-06-19 8:45 AM (#726331 - in reply to #726235)
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It looks like Hayes just got Kreider traded.7.15 mil for Hayes? a 3C on a good team...55 pts. What does Duchene get? what does Panarin get?
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