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Posted 2019-09-30 9:58 AM (#728225)
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A little surprised but not a lot

https://nypost.com/2019/09/30/rangers-send-filip-chytil-and-vitali-k...
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Posted 2019-09-30 10:19 AM (#728226 - in reply to #728225)
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Not at all unwarranted. Shesterkin sent down also.

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Posted 2019-09-30 10:22 AM (#728227 - in reply to #728225)
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Rangers currently have 12 forwards, no extras. Carry 8 defensemen due to Rykov still being injured, I believe. 2 goalies. 22/23

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Posted 2019-09-30 10:25 AM (#728228 - in reply to #728225)
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Also, he's not on the official roster yet but Carpinello reporting that they are signing Haley. Which, um, ok...
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Posted 2019-09-30 10:36 AM (#728229 - in reply to #728228)
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Boo on waivers.
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Posted 2019-09-30 11:17 AM (#728230 - in reply to #728225)
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As I always said. Boo sucks moose dong. Figured as much. Now if Gorton will only rid us of Smith to stop Quinn from using that tool.
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Posted 2019-09-30 11:24 AM (#728231 - in reply to #728230)
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Hearing #NYR have signed Micheal Haley to a contract.

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Posted 2019-09-30 11:26 AM (#728232 - in reply to #728225)
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I said all last year when people were sucking off Chytil because of a couple of goals. His intangibles blow at the moment. He might need 2 full years in the AHL. There is high end talent there. I think he will be a contributor down the line. He needs an entire year of taking draws and getting better. As well as learning to score garbage goals in front of the net. Kravtsov will get there. He looked overwhelmed and lost playing NHL style hockey. Should be fun to watch where he is at after halfway point of the season. I'm not surpised they signed Haley. Nobody else will stand up for anybody on this team until proven otherwise.

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Posted 2019-09-30 11:26 AM (#728233 - in reply to #728225)
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Haven’t posted here in years but this decision brought me out of hiding !! We are really keeping Smith over Lindgren ? McKegg, Strome and Howden over Kravtsov ? This coach is already wearing down my patience.
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Posted 2019-09-30 11:29 AM (#728234 - in reply to #728225)
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Was Lindgren sent down?

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Posted 2019-09-30 11:32 AM (#728235 - in reply to #728225)
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Crap he was. Sending Lindgren down and keeping that loser Smith is a joke. Gorton needs to find his nuts and get rid of Smith NOW!
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Posted 2019-09-30 12:00 PM (#728236 - in reply to #728231)
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Steady Eddie - 2019-09-30 1:24 PM

Hearing #NYR have signed Micheal Haley to a contract.

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Worst news of the day. There's gotta be a better option coming off someone else's waiver/cut list.
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Posted 2019-09-30 12:42 PM (#728237 - in reply to #728225)
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Chytil needs to learn how to play NHL style hockey night after night. He is clueless in the D end and erratic in the O end. He has not yet figured out the physical aspects, either. I do not expect him to hit, but he needs to not get knocked off the puck and knocked off his skates so often. With the supposed Hartford upgrade of coaching and talent, this will be a good thing for Chytil. Kravtsov also needs to figure out small rink/NHL hockey. He is clearly an immense talent, but he does not have man strength or weight (unlike Kakko). Now they can both figure it out with way less pressure.

Keeping Smith as a 7th d/4th liner vs not playing Lindgren is not a bad move. Lindgren can get big minutes in Hartford and be ready for big minutes when the inevitable injuries knock out D-men.

The other factor here is at some point another NHL team is going to lose a guy to a bad injury and then there will be realistic trade value on Names/Strome/Fast/Kreider/Georgiev and even Smith.
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Posted 2019-09-30 2:48 PM (#728241 - in reply to #728237)
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x10003q - 2019-09-30 2:42 PM

Chytil needs to learn how to play NHL style hockey night after night. He is clueless in the D end and erratic in the O end. He has not yet figured out the physical aspects, either. I do not expect him to hit, but he needs to not get knocked off the puck and knocked off his skates so often. With the supposed Hartford upgrade of coaching and talent, this will be a good thing for Chytil. Kravtsov also needs to figure out small rink/NHL hockey. He is clearly an immense talent, but he does not have man strength or weight (unlike Kakko). Now they can both figure it out with way less pressure.

Keeping Smith as a 7th d/4th liner vs not playing Lindgren is not a bad move. Lindgren can get big minutes in Hartford and be ready for big minutes when the inevitable injuries knock out D-men.

The other factor here is at some point another NHL team is going to lose a guy to a bad injury and then there will be realistic trade value on Names/Strome/Fast/Kreider/Georgiev and even Smith.


Chytil absolutely needs to start the season in Hartford. I watched too many games last season where it seemed like he was nonchalantly skating around the ice when he wasn't involved in the play. Then I would see guys like Strome, Fast, etc. and think this is what Chytil should look like when not directly involved. Too much standing up straight. At least in Hartford he can start as 1C and 1PP, maybe even begin to develop chemistry with Kravstov.

I'm not surprised they wanted Kravvy to start in Hartford as well. Both of them would get sheltered minutes with the big club. You're right, the new coaching staff should be able to get these guys going. I'm not sure if having Chytil in Hartford last year would have been the best for him with what a disaster that team was.

Lindgren too will benefit from playing 1D minutes down in Hartford. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the first call up. I'm not sold on the Ranger's defense actually playing good D (defense part of the game). They will be better than last year, but not by much. Too many offensive defensemen in the line up right now and Staal just can't keep up. He'll make just as many great plays as he does 'one step behind' plays on D.

I wasn't crazy about the Trouba signing. From what I've read on the Winnepeg boards and news articles about his, he's definitely not a great defender. Maybe even borderline 'good'. Hank and Georgie going to have a lot of work this season. Depending on how good/bad the D is will probably be one of the factors on whether we see Shesty this year with the big club (barring injury).

For trades later in the year, i think there are 3 types of guys. 1. the ones that want to stay here and will elevate their game to stay. 2. the ones that want to stay but fail to elevate and 3. the ones that wouldn't mind leaving for a different team/role/payday. I just don't know yet who will fall into each category from the guys you listed (Names/Strome/Fast/Kreider/Georgiev)
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Posted 2019-09-30 5:14 PM (#728244 - in reply to #728225)
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In other words... I hope they air Hartford games on MSG because I REALLY want to see Chytil, Kravtsov, Lindgren, Rykov, Shestyorkin... I'm sure I'm missing anothet key player, but you get the idea... tear it up down there....

Every one of those players are NHLers, I don't care what anyone says
.. Chytil had a bad camp, but he's a damn good hockey player... he'll be with the big club soon. Same goes for Kravtsov, who had a pretty good camp, really.

I don't mind sending either player down to start. Have to put out the best team every night, and right now there are other players doing things to give us a better chance of winning the next game.

Both Chytil and Kravtsov have top 6 skill, though. When they get going they'll surely be able to reclaim a spot.
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Posted 2019-09-30 5:28 PM (#728245 - in reply to #728244)
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robstones - 2019-09-30 6:14 PM

In other words... I hope they air Hartford games on MSG because I REALLY want to see Chytil, Kravtsov, Lindgren, Rykov, Shestyorkin... I'm sure I'm missing anothet key player, but you get the idea... tear it up down there....

Every one of those players are NHLers, I don't care what anyone says
.. Chytil had a bad camp, but he's a damn good hockey player... he'll be with the big club soon. Same goes for Kravtsov, who had a pretty good camp, really.

I don't mind sending either player down to start. Have to put out the best team every night, and right now there are other players doing things to give us a better chance of winning the next game.

Both Chytil and Kravtsov have top 6 skill, though. When they get going they'll surely be able to reclaim a spot.


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Posted 2019-09-30 8:01 PM (#728247 - in reply to #728225)
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Another season of watching Jesper Fast get swatted around and knocked on his ass.

Would've preferred Lindgren to start with the big club. But at least Smith can play a hard game and stand up for his teammates. He played well at the end of the season and I'd expect him to be solid when called upon.

Chytil has been unimpressive so far, he better get the message quickly.
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Posted 2019-09-30 8:54 PM (#728248 - in reply to #728225)
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The Rangers are not winning the cup this year... we all agree... yes good.. so taking your time with players is the best road.. Letting a guy play 25 minutes a night in Hartford is better than playing 12 minutes in the NHL. and both these guys have stuff to learn.. I agree Kravstov looked overwhelmed out there.. and I think some time in Hartford will get him the confidence.. his skill is evident.. Chtyil the same thing you can see he has all the elements to be a solid NHL but there are still things he is not doing every shift. I think Howden and Anderson and Chytil were all being rushed a bit I think they all have a future but no need to rush..

I also think the Rangers need guys like Kreider and Smith and Strome and Namestinikov to all play and play very well and ship them out.. no one wants Smith or Vlad so anything they can do to make themselves appealing as trade bait is great. Vlad is NOT back next year that is almost 100% Smith if ANYONE can see ANY value in him the Rangers trade him and a pick to dump salary and get 4 mil off the books would be great.. hell trading him and retaining half would still be a better situation as if could mean potentially keeping Kreider who knows...

The Rangers have a lot of prospects who dont need to play this year.. they need to be ready to be NHLers when the Kakko's and others start to peak .. all the kids bloom at the same time.. and live up to the potential and this team is looking great in a few years.
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Posted 2019-09-30 9:20 PM (#728249 - in reply to #728247)
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PV29 - 2019-09-30 7:01 PM

Another season of watching Jesper Fast get swatted around and knocked on his ass.

Would've preferred Lindgren to start with the big club. But at least Smith can play a hard game and stand up for his teammates. He played well at the end of the season and I'd expect him to be solid when called upon.

Chytil has been unimpressive so far, he better get the message quickly.




I hear you on Jesper, much rather Lemieux, and McKegg on the fourth line wings. Don’t mind Smith as a swing guy like the end of last season. Chytil is exactly where his play got him to. He’s still young, basically where Andersson was age wise at the start of last season, I’ll be a lot more worried if he craps the bed at next years camp. He’s got this year to grow and needs some serious time in Hartford perfecting his center play, where Gorton stated today the Rangers want him to play. If it was easy everybody would be in the NHL. All in all no real surprises and I don’t mind Haley being around to kick in a game here and there on the fourth line.
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Posted 2019-09-30 9:30 PM (#728250 - in reply to #728249)
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Rranger - 2019-09-30 11:20 PM

I hear you on Jesper, much rather Lemieux, and McKegg on the fourth line wings. Don’t mind Smith as a swing guy like the end of last season. Chytil is exactly where his play got him to. He’s still young, basically where Andersson was age wise at the start of last season, I’ll be a lot more worried if he craps the bed at next years camp. He’s got this year to grow and needs some serious time in Hartford perfecting his center play, where Gorton stated today the Rangers want him to play. If it was easy everybody would be in the NHL. All in all no real surprises and I don’t mind Haley being around to kick in a game here and there on the fourth line.


Agreed. The 4th line should be built with a purpose, it's not a place to warehouse the guys who can't crack the top 9. The Isles get so much out of Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck, while the Rangers have not had a well-designed or thought out 4th line in a long time. It changes from season to season and it's just a holding place for depth guys in case one of the top 9 gets hurt.

I don't mind being patient with the youngsters, but one wonders when it's time to realize that they'll never be better than they are right now. Still too early but it's getting late around here next season.
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Posted 2019-10-01 4:28 AM (#728254 - in reply to #728225)
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If Gorton doesn't feel the Rangers are going to make the playoffs there probably will be more guys going. Fast for sure will be out at the deadline. They might be able to move Staal with 1 year left on his deal at that point. Smith maybe but doubtful. Kreider would be 50/50. He's a guy I could see them dealing then actually signing back in the off-season. Namestnikov for sure. Basically, a lot of vets will be playing for their jobs here. That much is obvious.
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Posted 2019-10-14 12:49 PM (#728504 - in reply to #728225)
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Chytil has 2g 3a in 4gp

Just a matter of time before he's back up with the big boys.

Kravtsov seems to be struggling mentally. Not being on The Rangers must've deflated his tires a bit. He needs to get back on the horse and earn the spot he thought was a sure thing. He no doubt thought he was going to be a New York Ranger out of the gate, and seems to be playing discouraged by all accounts.

Hopefully a Chytil callup will get him to step up and regain confidence
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Posted 2019-10-14 1:27 PM (#728505 - in reply to #728225)
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One of those goals was an empty netter in Game 3 to be fair, and the second one came on a back door tap-in set up mostly by O'Regan….but nevertheless, hopefully he keeps improving.
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Posted 2019-10-14 4:27 PM (#728506 - in reply to #728225)
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I think this guy should stay in Hartford until he is playing lights out. If he can. If he’s ever going to fulfill the Rangers projections as a point producer in the NHL he has to do it in the AHL, and not just average points, he needs to light it up and not just for five games. Because of his birthdate he's closer in age to a pick in this last years draft not the draft 2 years ago. He was one of the youngest players picked in his draft. 40 games and 50-60 points in Hartford would send a pretty confident player to NY in late December. You want him to never have to go back to Hartford once he gets back to NYC.
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Posted 2019-10-14 5:51 PM (#728507 - in reply to #728225)
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Chytil should play 40 games at least for the Pack. Andersson has been one of the best forwards since camp. It's time dumbass Quinn puts him with real talent. Strome is not a second line center. Now maybe Lias tops out at a 3rd but it should be Kreider-Andersson-Buchnevich or Kreider-Anderssson-Lemeiux. Quinn has screwed this kis over multiple times and I'm sick of it.
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Posted 2019-10-15 9:23 AM (#728509 - in reply to #728505)
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Fish - 2019-10-14 2:27 PM

One of those goals was an empty netter in Game 3 to be fair, and the second one came on a back door tap-in set up mostly by O'Regan….but nevertheless, hopefully he keeps improving.


The key takeaway from getting an ENG is not that it artificially inflates goal totals, but rather he's being trusted by the coaching staff in an odd man situation protecting a one goal lead late in the third.
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Posted 2019-10-15 12:47 PM (#728511 - in reply to #728509)
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Fish - 2019-10-14 2:27 PM

One of those goals was an empty netter in Game 3 to be fair, and the second one came on a back door tap-in set up mostly by O'Regan….but nevertheless, hopefully he keeps improving.


The key takeaway from getting an ENG is not that it artificially inflates goal totals, but rather he's being trusted by the coaching staff in an odd man situation protecting a one goal lead late in the third.


or - the Hartford staff has been told to put him out there in man down situations no matter what
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Posted 2019-10-15 1:13 PM (#728513 - in reply to #728507)
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itsmcilrathtime - 2019-10-14 5:51 PM

Chytil should play 40 games at least for the Pack. Andersson has been one of the best forwards since camp. It's time dumbass Quinn puts him with real talent. Strome is not a second line center. Now maybe Lias tops out at a 3rd but it should be Kreider-Andersson-Buchnevich or Kreider-Anderssson-Lemeiux. Quinn has screwed this kis over multiple times and I'm sick of it.


Who should be the 4th line center?
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Posted 2019-10-15 2:03 PM (#728515 - in reply to #728511)
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concust - 2019-10-15 11:23 AM

Fish - 2019-10-14 2:27 PM

One of those goals was an empty netter in Game 3 to be fair, and the second one came on a back door tap-in set up mostly by O'Regan….but nevertheless, hopefully he keeps improving.


The key takeaway from getting an ENG is not that it artificially inflates goal totals, but rather he's being trusted by the coaching staff in an odd man situation protecting a one goal lead late in the third.


or - the Hartford staff has been told to put him out there in man down situations no matter what




You can bet they have been told to use him in all situations.
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Posted 2019-10-18 10:57 AM (#728677 - in reply to #728225)
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Posted 2019-10-19 7:27 AM (#728749 - in reply to #728225)
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One can't help but think Kravstov will go back to Russia. All the news about him in Hartford seem to indicate he is pouting. Plus a lot more dough in the fatherland. He looked scrawny and played on the outside during the exhibition and is probably a year away no matter what. I'd rather see him in Hartford getting North Americanized, but I think he is headed home soon.
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Rranger - 2019-10-19 9:27 AM

One can't help but think Kravstov will go back to Russia. All the news about him in Hartford seem to indicate he is pouting. Plus a lot more dough in the fatherland. He looked scrawny and played on the outside during the exhibition and is probably a year away no matter what. I'd rather see him in Hartford getting North Americanized, but I think he is headed home soon.


He is listed at 6'3" and 170. He was manhandled in the preseason and he does not have his man strength. That can show up anywhere from 17 to 24. Look at Kakko, he seems to be physically capable of taking on NHL opponents at age 18. If Kravtsov is not ready for North American hockey because of strength, maturity, money, ice space, or all of that, then let him go back to the KHL. He is not ready to compete here. The Rangers are still a "work in progress" and his absence does not matter right now.
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Posted 2019-10-19 9:29 AM (#728754 - in reply to #728752)
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Rranger - 2019-10-19 9:27 AM

One can't help but think Kravstov will go back to Russia. All the news about him in Hartford seem to indicate he is pouting. Plus a lot more dough in the fatherland. He looked scrawny and played on the outside during the exhibition and is probably a year away no matter what. I'd rather see him in Hartford getting North Americanized, but I think he is headed home soon.


He is listed at 6'3" and 170. He was manhandled in the preseason and he does not have his man strength. That can show up anywhere from 17 to 24. Look at Kakko, he seems to be physically capable of taking on NHL opponents at age 18. If Kravtsov is not ready for North American hockey because of strength, maturity, money, ice space, or all of that, then let him go back to the KHL. He is not ready to compete here. The Rangers are still a "work in progress" and his absence does not matter right now.




I agree but development wise he’d be better off in Hartford than playing in Russia.
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Posted 2019-10-19 1:32 PM (#728755 - in reply to #728225)
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The good news is the Rangers didn’t sign Matt’s Zuccarello at 32 to a 5 year $6,000,000 per contract. No wonder the GM got his ass handed to him. And it’s a great lesson for judging Kreider. It’s important Chytil and Kravstov are ready next year, when Kreider, Fast, Smith and whoever else gets dumped at the trade deadline.
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Posted 2019-10-21 1:50 PM (#728832 - in reply to #728752)
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Rranger - 2019-10-19 9:27 AM

One can't help but think Kravstov will go back to Russia. All the news about him in Hartford seem to indicate he is pouting. Plus a lot more dough in the fatherland. He looked scrawny and played on the outside during the exhibition and is probably a year away no matter what. I'd rather see him in Hartford getting North Americanized, but I think he is headed home soon.


He is listed at 6'3" and 170. He was manhandled in the preseason and he does not have his man strength. That can show up anywhere from 17 to 24. Look at Kakko, he seems to be physically capable of taking on NHL opponents at age 18. If Kravtsov is not ready for North American hockey because of strength, maturity, money, ice space, or all of that, then let him go back to the KHL. He is not ready to compete here. The Rangers are still a "work in progress" and his absence does not matter right now.


Not sure where you see him at 6'3 170. Is that his pre-draft weight? Hartford has him at 6'3 189. Still not thick but closer to NHL size than Midget hockey
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