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robstones
Posted 2019-10-07 6:36 PM (#728406)
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The return is a 25 year old AHL defender, Nick Ebert and a 4th round pick in 2021.... Rangers are retaining some salary.

Kravtsov was scratched from the Hartford roster... reportedly for lack of effort, but maybe to keep him healthy because this deal was in the works.

Either way I'd imagine he or Chytil will be called up in the morning.... maybe both....

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Rranger
Posted 2019-10-07 7:26 PM (#728407 - in reply to #728406)
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Not a big surprise, saving on his cap will be a big help. Kept him long enough to make sure they were not going to need him, smart timing by Gorton. Not surprised by the return, for another one of those guys with all the skills in the world but something amiss in the toolbox. Personally I thought Kravstov was the best forward in camp that got sent to Hartford, and it would be him if there is a call-up, but I suspect McKegg who had a real good camp is going to get some ice. It looks like Lemieux will be moved to the third line and McKegg to the fourth. Quinn bumped Lemieux to the third and Namestnikov to the fourth, so I don’t see Chytil or Kravstov bumping him back to the fourth just yet. Lemieux has had a significant impact both games so far.

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LeetchyMrRanger
Posted 2019-10-07 7:30 PM (#728408 - in reply to #728406)
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Rangers still dealing & wheeling, fine tuning the team.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2019-10-08 3:03 AM (#728410 - in reply to #728406)
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Watch get Andersson put with 2 guys with no ability to score now. LOL
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Posted 2019-10-08 11:31 AM (#728411 - in reply to #728406)
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Posted 2019-10-08 11:38 AM (#728412 - in reply to #728410)
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Namestnikov is an automatic upgrade on the crap the Senators throw on the ice. It is funny that they convinced the Rangers to keep $750k of his salary. As for Kravstov, the way he fell on his shoulder in the last preseason game and the way he was holding his arm leads me to believe that he has an injured shoulder and the "healthy scratch" is just BS. Getting some cap space was more important than getting a better deal for Names.
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Posted 2019-10-08 11:39 AM (#728413 - in reply to #728406)
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Rangers have to deal with Shattenkirks $6.3 mill (guesstimate) cap hit next season, so I don't think they will run out and spend it.
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Posted 2019-10-08 11:56 AM (#728414 - in reply to #728413)
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Rranger - 2019-10-08 1:39 PM

Rangers have to deal with Shattenkirks $6.3 mill (guesstimate) cap hit next season, so I don't think they will run out and spend it.

next year $6,083,333
following year $1,433,333
following year $1,433,333

so far - 3 games, 1g/2a, 22:17 on ice, 11 shots
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Posted 2019-10-08 2:04 PM (#728415 - in reply to #728414)
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x10003q - 2019-10-07 1:56 PM

Rranger - 2019-10-08 1:39 PM

Rangers have to deal with Shattenkirks $6.3 mill (guesstimate) cap hit next season, so I don't think they will run out and spend it.

next year $6,083,333
following year $1,433,333
following year $1,433,333

so far - 3 games, 1g/2a, 22:17 on ice, 11 shots


He is one of many big contracts that bombed in NY...a lot of pressure to play here but the rewards are worth the effort.

Great to have a job that you make millions whether you succeed or fail, most of us dont have that kind of career.

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concust
Posted 2019-10-08 2:18 PM (#728416 - in reply to #728414)
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x10003q - 2019-10-08 12:56 PM

Rranger - 2019-10-08 1:39 PM

Rangers have to deal with Shattenkirks $6.3 mill (guesstimate) cap hit next season, so I don't think they will run out and spend it.

next year $6,083,333
following year $1,433,333
following year $1,433,333

so far - 3 games, 1g/2a, 22:17 on ice, 11 shots


Which is why I said it was dumb to buy out Shattenkirk. If they're going to dump Namestnikov's salary, dump it over the summer for a pick and AHL'er, buy out Smith, and let Shattenkirk be an overpaid third pair defenseman. Their salary structure would be significantly better than it is now. The way the Rangers handled it was completely ass backward. As Shattenkirk has shown in three games already, he's still an NHL defenseman and is still very capable of playing.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2019-10-08 2:49 PM (#728417 - in reply to #728406)
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Shattenkirk sucks moose dong. Any jackass can score on the Lightning then when teams turn it up in the playoffs, they suck. Much like Kucherov did.

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Rranger
Posted 2019-10-08 3:30 PM (#728418 - in reply to #728406)
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I don’t have a problem in the world with next seasons Shattenkirk cap hit. Better that than him blocking a kid on the third pair, plus he would still blow. . The Rangers will likely have four d on entry level contracts next season and Skjei and DeAngelo in the same park $ wise, that along with Trouba’s hit will still be one of the NHL’s better priced corps. Pretty sure Gorton and company factored in the number of possible entry level contract’s next year to offset Shattenkirks last pain to the Rangers. Good riddance.
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Posted 2019-10-08 5:53 PM (#728420 - in reply to #728406)
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Soft player that need to be benched or demoted to the 4th line on a regular basis to get him "motivated". Not gonna lose sleep over this trade.

By moving Lemieux to the 3rd line and adding a grinder to the 4th line the Rangers are increasing their overall team grit. Something they'll need when playing in their division.

Now do Jesper Fast ...
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Posted 2019-10-08 6:49 PM (#728421 - in reply to #728420)
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PV29 - 2019-10-08 4:53 PM

Soft player that need to be benched or demoted to the 4th line on a regular basis to get him "motivated". Not gonna lose sleep over this trade.

By moving Lemieux to the 3rd line and adding a grinder to the 4th line the Rangers are increasing their overall team grit. Something they'll need when playing in their division.

Now do Jesper Fast ...




McKegg next up on the fourth. Along with the new Andersson and Smith it should bring a nice dose of grit. Been a while since Ranger fans have had that. I’m hoping once Chytil or Kravstov claims at least a third line spot, that Fast is next.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2019-10-09 2:55 AM (#728424 - in reply to #728406)
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Starting to see more and more why the Rangers drafted Lundkvist and Keane. Personally, I think DeAngelo is gone at the deadline for multiple reasons. One being he is a guy you could package with Fast and a prospect to go for a legit, second line center from a team that is out of it. Two, his contract hold out probably didn't make him any friends in the front office. Three, he's a lot more useless if he doesn't play on the PP which he doesn't seem to be doing with Trouba here.
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Posted 2019-10-09 9:16 AM (#728425 - in reply to #728414)
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Rranger - 2019-10-08 1:39 PM

Rangers have to deal with Shattenkirks $6.3 mill (guesstimate) cap hit next season, so I don't think they will run out and spend it.

next year $6,083,333
following year $1,433,333
following year $1,433,333

so far - 3 games, 1g/2a, 22:17 on ice, 11 shots


And is a -1. Not a top 4 dman IMO.

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Posted 2019-10-09 12:44 PM (#728427 - in reply to #728406)
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I can't believe Fast is not in Philly by now...
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Posted 2019-10-09 3:03 PM (#728429 - in reply to #728427)
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Interesting article by Brooksie today:
Before the trade, the Rangers had approximately $1.4 million in space for this season while carrying between $4 million in potentially realistic entry-level contract performance bonuses. Earned bonuses that push teams over the cap are applied to the following season’s ledger.

Therefore, the Blueshirts could have gone into next summer with around $2.5 million in overages applied to the 2020-21 cap that would have hamstrung the organization’s decision-making process. Imagine adding that much more dead space to a team that already is faced with handling just over $7.49 million in sunk cost next season. Would be devastating.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/09/the-overlooked-reason-rangers-vlad-nam...
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Posted 2019-10-09 6:23 PM (#728430 - in reply to #728427)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2019-10-09 2:44 PM

I can't believe Fast is not in Philly by now...


Players like Fast are not allowed to be Flyers. It's like a state law or something. AV is probably crying himself to sleep every night.
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Posted 2019-10-09 7:52 PM (#728432 - in reply to #728430)
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PV29 - 2019-10-09 8:23 PM

Pierre_Pdare - 2019-10-09 2:44 PM

I can't believe Fast is not in Philly by now...


Players like Fast are not allowed to be Flyers. It's like a state law or something. AV is probably crying himself to sleep every night.


Meanwhile, Flyers install first-of-its-kind "rage room". Real classy.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/philadelphia-flyers-install-fan-r...
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2019-10-11 11:33 AM (#728436 - in reply to #728406)
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Fast if a perfect guy to package at the deadline with somebody like DeAngelo or Smith if he plays well for picks. I was wondering about the Lundkvist pick when they made all these moves for right handed defneseman. Even started to criticize it. However, I'm starting to get the sense they aren't sold on DeAngelo and they are building him up to move him. Lundkvist is off to a huge start. Keane is off to a good star in the AHL. In other words, Tony D might be the odd man out soon.
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Posted 2019-10-11 3:16 PM (#728437 - in reply to #728425)
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Rranger - 2019-10-08 1:39 PM

Rangers have to deal with Shattenkirks $6.3 mill (guesstimate) cap hit next season, so I don't think they will run out and spend it.

next year $6,083,333
following year $1,433,333
following year $1,433,333

so far - 3 games, 1g/2a, 22:17 on ice, 11 shots


And is a -1. Not a top 4 dman IMO.



OK how about now. 4 games, 3 goals, 1 assist, 4 points, and a PLUS ONE

I agree he's not a top 4 defenseman but the Rangers hamstrung their own cap situation by buying out the wrong player.

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Posted 2019-10-12 4:04 AM (#728438 - in reply to #728406)
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Shattenkirk sucks. Get over it. All the Lightning's offensive stats are inflated and when the playoffs come, they sucks ass.
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Posted 2019-10-12 6:10 AM (#728439 - in reply to #728406)
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Shattenkirk is a good offensive defensemen with great offensive players around him, but without a supporting cast he is nothing special. And, he was never good defensively.

He was a bad fit here.
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Posted 2019-10-12 8:12 AM (#728440 - in reply to #728439)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-10-12 8:10 AM

Shattenkirk is a good offensive defensemen with great offensive players around him, but without a supporting cast he is nothing special. And, he was never good defensively.

He was a bad fit here.


He still would have been tradable this season vs the buy out.
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Posted 2019-10-12 9:59 AM (#728442 - in reply to #728406)
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Very few games during his time in New York where he had a positive influence on the outcome. A lot of games where he had a negative influence. To expect anything different this year falls into the definition of insanity description. I don’t like the cap hit next year but it is what it is. I think it’s safe to say Staal is moved by the trade deadline next year, NMC or not. The Rangers will have three entry level contracts on d and maybe 4 by next year. Obviously its the Rangers plan. Smith can be moved also. It’s one year of pain to get rid of a guy who’s contribution was mostly negative. And I wouldn’t get wound up about stats after a couple games, if they are still good after 20 games then there is something there. I think he is a mutt who will soon fall back into his regular old unreliable self.
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Posted 2019-10-12 11:25 AM (#728447 - in reply to #728439)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-10-12 6:10 AM

Shattenkirk is a good offensive defensemen with great offensive players around him, but without a supporting cast he is nothing special. And, he was never good defensively.

He was a bad fit here.


I had no idea how bad he is defensively. I've watched hockey since 1981 including Russian hockey of the 70s. I've never seed a d-man so bad defensively. It is really a PP every time he is out there.

Rangers fans killed Poti, he was soft, & bad defensively, but Langway compared to Shatt.

Edited by LeetchyMrRanger 2019-10-12 11:28 AM
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Posted 2019-10-12 7:10 PM (#728494 - in reply to #728406)
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Posted 2019-10-12 7:44 PM (#728495 - in reply to #728406)
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An enigma if ever there was.
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Posted 2019-10-13 8:49 AM (#728496 - in reply to #728437)
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Rranger - 2019-10-08 1:39 PM

Rangers have to deal with Shattenkirks $6.3 mill (guesstimate) cap hit next season, so I don't think they will run out and spend it.

next year $6,083,333
following year $1,433,333
following year $1,433,333

so far - 3 games, 1g/2a, 22:17 on ice, 11 shots


And is a -1. Not a top 4 dman IMO.



OK how about now. 4 games, 3 goals, 1 assist, 4 points, and a PLUS ONE

I agree he's not a top 4 defenseman but the Rangers hamstrung their own cap situation by buying out the wrong player.



Here's all you need to know about Shattenkirk. He's a career minus player on mostly good teams. His best point total in 2013-14 was 45, 26 of which came on the PP. That year he was a +1 on a team that was +57. Career playoffs -15. He sucks. Never should have signed him, let alone for $6 million a season. And who was the right player to buy out, Staal? I'm not a Staal fan, but Shatt is far worse.
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Posted 2019-10-13 12:39 PM (#728497 - in reply to #728496)
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concust - 2019-10-11 5:16 PM

Steady Eddie - 2019-10-09 10:16 AM

x10003q - 2019-10-08 1:56 PM

Rranger - 2019-10-08 1:39 PM

Rangers have to deal with Shattenkirks $6.3 mill (guesstimate) cap hit next season, so I don't think they will run out and spend it.

next year $6,083,333
following year $1,433,333
following year $1,433,333

so far - 3 games, 1g/2a, 22:17 on ice, 11 shots


And is a -1. Not a top 4 dman IMO.



OK how about now. 4 games, 3 goals, 1 assist, 4 points, and a PLUS ONE

I agree he's not a top 4 defenseman but the Rangers hamstrung their own cap situation by buying out the wrong player.



Here's all you need to know about Shattenkirk. He's a career minus player on mostly good teams. His best point total in 2013-14 was 45, 26 of which came on the PP. That year he was a +1 on a team that was +57. Career playoffs -15. He sucks. Never should have signed him, let alone for $6 million a season. And who was the right player to buy out, Staal? I'm not a Staal fan, but Shatt is far worse.




Staal was the better on ice choice no question. He will be moved when a better alternative comes along.
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Posted 2019-10-13 6:59 PM (#728499 - in reply to #728447)
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Rangerjunkie - 2019-10-12 6:10 AM

Shattenkirk is a good offensive defensemen with great offensive players around him, but without a supporting cast he is nothing special. And, he was never good defensively.

He was a bad fit here.


I had no idea how bad he is defensively. I've watched hockey since 1981 including Russian hockey of the 70s. I've never seed a d-man so bad defensively. It is really a PP every time he is out there.

Rangers fans killed Poti, he was soft, & bad defensively, but Langway compared to Shatt.


Right. 10 years and 614 games in the NHL, but he is the worst dman at playing defense that you have ever seen. If he was as bad as you think he is we would not know his name.
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Posted 2019-10-14 11:27 AM (#728502 - in reply to #728406)
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The worse I've ever seen. He has no clue how to play D, none. At least he used to put up pts with other teams, he didn't even do that here which makes him useless. All the d-mistakes which is pretty much every shift, soft as jello, always hurt/injured, can't take the body, can't stop a single player entering the zone, & no offense, not nearly enough really makes him a liability & useless. The craps learned that fast & walked away.

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Posted 2019-10-14 11:33 AM (#728503 - in reply to #728406)
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The only thing he was good at is shootouts, but there are not shootouts in the playoffs, which again is then useless.
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Posted 2019-10-15 9:24 AM (#728510 - in reply to #728496)
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Rranger - 2019-10-08 1:39 PM

Rangers have to deal with Shattenkirks $6.3 mill (guesstimate) cap hit next season, so I don't think they will run out and spend it.

next year $6,083,333
following year $1,433,333
following year $1,433,333

so far - 3 games, 1g/2a, 22:17 on ice, 11 shots


And is a -1. Not a top 4 dman IMO.



OK how about now. 4 games, 3 goals, 1 assist, 4 points, and a PLUS ONE

I agree he's not a top 4 defenseman but the Rangers hamstrung their own cap situation by buying out the wrong player.



Here's all you need to know about Shattenkirk. He's a career minus player on mostly good teams. His best point total in 2013-14 was 45, 26 of which came on the PP. That year he was a +1 on a team that was +57. Career playoffs -15. He sucks. Never should have signed him, let alone for $6 million a season. And who was the right player to buy out, Staal? I'm not a Staal fan, but Shatt is far worse.


Smith.
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