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Cap'nMess
Posted 2021-01-20 4:38 PM (#773528 - in reply to #773451)
Subject: Re: Game 3: New Jersey Devils @ Rangers 1/19/21 - 7pm, MSG/MSG+




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I think all goals can be challenged
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Fish
Posted 2021-01-20 4:58 PM (#773530 - in reply to #773527)
Subject: RE: Game 3: New Jersey Devils @ Rangers 1/19/21 - 7pm, MSG/MSG+



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Vua - 2021-01-20 2:50 PM
So serious question. Can you even challenge that? The challenge rules were originally only for offsides and goalie interference. I know they expanded it but thought that was restricted to just play stoppage stuff.


While not definitive, did a quick search and found this from 2019:

https://www.nhl.com/news/rule-changes-for-2019-20-nhl-season/c-30795...
There will be multiple changes to the coach's challenge, most notably adding a third category to allow coaches to challenge missed stoppages of play in the offensive zone that lead to goals. They already were permitted to challenge for goalie interference and offside.

Under the new category, coaches will be able to challenge plays that may involve pucks that hit off the protective spectator netting, pucks that are illegally high-sticked to a teammate in the offensive zone, pucks that have gone out of play but are subsequently touched in the offensive zone, and hand passes.

The time between when the event that should have resulted in a stoppage happened and when the goal was scored does not matter as long as the puck stays in the attacking zone.

"We're not talking about discretionary calls, we're not talking about missed penalties," NHL Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly said. "It's really just black-and-white calls that video can conclusively determine that there was a missed stoppage and it resulted in a goal."

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Cap'nMess
Posted 2021-01-20 6:41 PM (#773531 - in reply to #773451)
Subject: Re: Game 3: New Jersey Devils @ Rangers 1/19/21 - 7pm, MSG/MSG+




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Thanks Fish
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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-01-21 7:16 AM (#773532 - in reply to #773527)
Subject: RE: Game 3: New Jersey Devils @ Rangers 1/19/21 - 7pm, MSG/MSG+




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Vua - 2021-01-20 2:50 PM

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Steady Eddie - 2021-01-20 11:16 AM

I just watched the replay of the Miles Wood goal that made it 4-2. It was a distinct kicking motion. He actually directed it into the net with his skate. Here's what Quinn had to say about it:

"Yeah we thought about it, I just didn’t think we were going to win that challenge,” Quinn said. “It’s something we looked at, but didn’t think we were going to win it."


Are you freakin kidding me?






Ya that was one of those wtf moments. Looked beyond obvious.


So serious question. Can you even challenge that? The challenge rules were originally only for offsides and goalie interference. I know they expanded it but thought that was restricted to just play stoppage stuff.




According to Rule 49.2, “A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who uses a distinct kicking motion to propel the puck into the net.” Rule 37.4 elaborates on the definition of a ‘distinct kicking motion’:


49.1: Kicking - The action of a player or goalkeeper deliberately using his skate(s) with a kicking motion to propel the puck or to contact an opponent.: 49.2: Goals - Kicking the puck shall be permitted in all zones. A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who uses a distinct kicking motion to propel the puck into the net. A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who kicks a puck ...
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Vua
Posted 2021-01-21 9:00 AM (#773533 - in reply to #773532)
Subject: RE: Game 3: New Jersey Devils @ Rangers 1/19/21 - 7pm, MSG/MSG+




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LaFrenger - 2021-01-21 7:16 AM

Vua - 2021-01-20 2:50 PM

LaFrenger - 2021-01-20 1:06 PM

Steady Eddie - 2021-01-20 11:16 AM

I just watched the replay of the Miles Wood goal that made it 4-2. It was a distinct kicking motion. He actually directed it into the net with his skate. Here's what Quinn had to say about it:

"Yeah we thought about it, I just didn’t think we were going to win that challenge,” Quinn said. “It’s something we looked at, but didn’t think we were going to win it."


Are you freakin kidding me?






Ya that was one of those wtf moments. Looked beyond obvious.


So serious question. Can you even challenge that? The challenge rules were originally only for offsides and goalie interference. I know they expanded it but thought that was restricted to just play stoppage stuff.




According to Rule 49.2, “A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who uses a distinct kicking motion to propel the puck into the net.” Rule 37.4 elaborates on the definition of a ‘distinct kicking motion’:


49.1: Kicking - The action of a player or goalkeeper deliberately using his skate(s) with a kicking motion to propel the puck or to contact an opponent.: 49.2: Goals - Kicking the puck shall be permitted in all zones. A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who uses a distinct kicking motion to propel the puck into the net. A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who kicks a puck ...


I understand you can't kick it in. And when it happened I wanted them to challenge it. But yesterday when reading about Quinn saying why he didn't, I remembered that when the challenge rule was created, it was strictly for offsides and goalie interference. I know they expanded it but I didn't remember what that included exactly, just that you could challenge for pucks that hit the netting and high sticks. Reading what Fish posted seems to mean it's not challengable. It's reviewable, but a coach can't challenge it. So I guess that review needs to be initiated by the referee or Toronto. That is what it seems from reading it but I didn't realize while I was yelling at Quinn through the television.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-01-22 8:01 AM (#773537 - in reply to #773451)
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Good point Vua I didn't hear Quinn speak, and assumed it was reviewable by all.
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Vua
Posted 2021-01-22 8:10 AM (#773538 - in reply to #773537)
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LaFrenger - 2021-01-22 8:01 AM

Good point Vua I didn't hear Quinn speak, and assumed it was reviewable by all.


I was thinking it's like the NFL, where you can basically challenge anything but a penalty. And maybe it can be challenged since the coach seemed to think so, but I didn't see it anywhere. I really don't know, but I'm leaning towards it can't be challenged after trying to find it yesterday.
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