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Fish
Posted 2021-05-10 9:41 AM (#779645)
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Jack Eichel says there has been a disconnect between him and the Sabres regarding his injury. He said he'd be lying if he said things went smoothly.

He says his main goal is to be ready to play next season ... WHEREVER THAT MAY BE.



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Jack Eichel says the herniated disk in his neck may still require surgery. He's been learning as much as he can about the injury.



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Jack Eichel on him and the Sabres: "I've got to do what's best for me and they've got to do what's best for them. ... There's a lot to process. ... I'm sure these conversations will be had and things will go from there."


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Jack Eichel: "I have a lot of thinking to do in this offseason. I think that there's a lot that I have to consider. But for now, obviously, I'm here."


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Jack Eichel essentially says the Sabres wouldn't let him have surgery on his herniated disk in his neck.

His body, his choice?

"It doesn't work like that. I wish. ... I'm under contract with this team and they definitely hold a lot of cards on what I can and can't do."
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Kakko # 24
Posted 2021-05-10 10:58 AM (#779648 - in reply to #779645)
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He's gone, and he will be a Ranger. Go buy your Eichel jersey now Rangers fans.

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Posted 2021-05-10 11:20 AM (#779649 - in reply to #779648)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-10 12:58 PM

He's gone, and he will be a Ranger. Go buy your Eichel jersey now Rangers fans.



Why would anybody give $10 million a year for damaged goods? Oh wait... Dolan.

A herniated disk is a worrisome condition. I'm no doctor, but to have it in your neck sounds outright frightening.



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Kakko # 24
Posted 2021-05-10 11:31 AM (#779653 - in reply to #779645)
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Many athletes have come back and been fine. But yes, we absolutely need to do our due diligence on his health.

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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-05-11 6:54 AM (#779663 - in reply to #779645)
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Why would they want him period? The Rangers need to start factoring in winners into the player attributes equation. They need to start bringing in not just physical players but winners. They have a need for a power forward or two that can play on the top six. A center would be great if he checks all the boxes, and Eichel has racked up some points, all the while not making his team any better since he got there. If they keep Zib which I'm sure they will, you have he and Eichel who both have to prove they can play through the increasing intensity of competition as the Stanley Cup playoffs evolve. Enough question marks about Zib let alone Eichel. I see him as another in a mile long list of Ranger shiny pennies, throw him the vault because he's perceived as best available with no idea if he is a fit. No thanks.
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Kakko # 24
Posted 2021-05-11 7:17 AM (#779666 - in reply to #779645)
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Not sure that is fair on Eichel. The guy is a stud, and Buffalo is a joke of an organization, and has been for a very long time now. That doesn't mean there is not some merit to what you are saying, there is of course, but I don't think it is fair to lay that on Eichel.

With that said, I like Eichel and want him here for the right price if he clears medically, but it isn't Eichel or bust. If we add another C, and I would target one of the Flames duo (Monahan or Lindholm) if we cannot get Eichel and Barkov is unavailable, I will be okay.

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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-05-11 9:06 AM (#779667 - in reply to #779666)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-11 6:17 AM

Not sure that is fair on Eichel. The guy is a stud, and Buffalo is a joke of an organization, and has been for a very long time now. That doesn't mean there is not some merit to what you are saying, there is of course, but I don't think it is fair to lay that on Eichel.

With that said, I like Eichel and want him here for the right price if he clears medically, but it isn't Eichel or bust. If we add another C, and I would target one of the Flames duo (Monahan or Lindholm) if we cannot get Eichel and Barkov is unavailable, I will be okay.





How many times have you seen Eichel play? I’ve seen him maybe 10 times. You have never seen him tested in the playoffs, no one has. Unless hockey people see someone excel in different environments and when it matters most the playoffs it’s a crapshoot. I’m not saying he is a dog but what I wrote is true. He has legitimate question marks on his resume. Like Zibanejad does, who’s performance against better teams in the division this year was weak. No matter how much you like Eichel he’s still a untested commodity.
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2021-05-11 9:37 AM (#779669 - in reply to #779667)
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LaFrenger - 2021-05-11 11:06 AM

Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-11 6:17 AM

Not sure that is fair on Eichel. The guy is a stud, and Buffalo is a joke of an organization, and has been for a very long time now. That doesn't mean there is not some merit to what you are saying, there is of course, but I don't think it is fair to lay that on Eichel.

With that said, I like Eichel and want him here for the right price if he clears medically, but it isn't Eichel or bust. If we add another C, and I would target one of the Flames duo (Monahan or Lindholm) if we cannot get Eichel and Barkov is unavailable, I will be okay.





How many times have you seen Eichel play? I’ve seen him maybe 10 times. You have never seen him tested in the playoffs, no one has. Unless hockey people see someone excel in different environments and when it matters most the playoffs it’s a crapshoot. I’m not saying he is a dog but what I wrote is true. He has legitimate question marks on his resume. Like Zibanejad does, who’s performance against better teams in the division this year was weak. No matter how much you like Eichel he’s still a untested commodity.


I don't think I am qualified to comment on Eichel's condition, but spinal issues like concussions don't get better by crashing your body into other things at 30 MPH. The fact that he never returned to play this season and team doctors advised against surgery could be a red flag...

I would steer clear of Eichel... We need a rugged face off winning center who can mesh with our talent.


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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-05-11 9:57 AM (#779671 - in reply to #779669)
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Pierre_Pdare - 2021-05-11 8:37 AM

LaFrenger - 2021-05-11 11:06 AM

Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-11 6:17 AM

Not sure that is fair on Eichel. The guy is a stud, and Buffalo is a joke of an organization, and has been for a very long time now. That doesn't mean there is not some merit to what you are saying, there is of course, but I don't think it is fair to lay that on Eichel.

With that said, I like Eichel and want him here for the right price if he clears medically, but it isn't Eichel or bust. If we add another C, and I would target one of the Flames duo (Monahan or Lindholm) if we cannot get Eichel and Barkov is unavailable, I will be okay.





How many times have you seen Eichel play? I’ve seen him maybe 10 times. You have never seen him tested in the playoffs, no one has. Unless hockey people see someone excel in different environments and when it matters most the playoffs it’s a crapshoot. I’m not saying he is a dog but what I wrote is true. He has legitimate question marks on his resume. Like Zibanejad does, who’s performance against better teams in the division this year was weak. No matter how much you like Eichel he’s still a untested commodity.


I don't think I am qualified to comment on Eichel's condition, but spinal issues like concussions don't get better by crashing your body into other things at 30 MPH. The fact that he never returned to play this season and team doctors advised against surgery could be a red flag...

I would steer clear of Eichel... We need a rugged face off winning center who can mesh with our talent.





I’m with you Pierre, sign Strome if reasonable and his contract has some outs, continue the search til you get a guy that checks all the boxes hopefully with a ring or two. At not much more than Eichel cost and with the team a little more evolved. The roster plus a dman or two from the system, third line or fourth line faceoff guy with some punch and the Rangers have no excuse to not make the playoffs. A coach of course.
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Kakko # 24
Posted 2021-05-11 10:04 AM (#779673 - in reply to #779645)
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I have seen Eichel play a ton, I get Buffalo games on MSG. He is a stud. If he checks out medically, I would trade for him if the package is reasonable.

With regards to Strome, we know that isn't happening, and nor should it. I like Strome, but he is not a # 2 C on a SC team, and I think based on comments from leadership, they are aware of that as well. We'll add a top 6 C for sure I think, even if it isn't Eichel (which is fine with me).

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Kakko # 24
Posted 2021-05-11 1:54 PM (#779677 - in reply to #779645)
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Good points by Brooks - and why I think you have to go after a guy like Eichel if available (or a stud like him - not Eichel or bust for a stud):

I have made it clear that I believe the Rangers need to do far more than improve on the margins. I believe they need to hunt for big game to change the dynamic of their top six, and yes, of course if there is any way to pry Matthew Tkachuk out of Calgary that should become Drury’s singular obsession. There is nobody, but nobody, who would be a better fit.

Of course the bounty sent the other way would be massive. The Rangers have four players with no-move clauses in Artemi Panarin, Mika Zibanejad, Chris Kreider and Jacob Trouba, none of whom would suit the Flames, anyway.

I’d wall off Igor Shesterkin, Adam Fox and Alexis Lafreniere as untouchable, I’d designate Ryan Lindgren nearly untouchable and go from there.

Does that mean I’m in a hurry to move Kaapo Kakko? No. Or K’Andre Miller? Certainly not. But as I have said before, the Rangers are going to have to trade someone they don’t want to sacrifice in order to get a transformational top-six player.

Maybe I am wrong, but I don’t envision a package consisting of a permutation of Filip Chytil, Pavel Buchnevich, Vitali Kravtsov, Zac Jones, Nils Lundkvist and future first-rounders getting it done.

Do you think Neil Smith wanted to trade Tony Amonte?

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Posted 2021-05-11 3:02 PM (#779679 - in reply to #779645)
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I'd love to have Tkachuk, though I think the Flames would be crazy to deal him, even if it meant shedding Lucic's last two years as well. Tkachuk is close to the youngest player on the Flames roster, and while he's already earning $7M a year at 23 and is due a bigger contract at the end of next season, it would be a tough sell to their fan base I would think.

But say they do decide to do it, then I think you're probably looking at something like Buchnevich, Kakko and Lundkvist going the other way. Sure there could be other configurations, but I think the best player in the deal is obviously Tkachuk, and Flames wouldn't hurt to have a little more youth and depth, as well as getting out from under Lucic's contract.

Now from the Rangers perspective, you avoid spending big on Buchnevich, give up two Blue Chips in Kakko and Lundqvist, but there's already not enough space on the wing for everyone, so there you go. It would make it more difficult to also address the 2C position, in that you'd realistically need to deal either Kreider or Trouba to make room for that, which then puts more pressure on wing or defense again...so there's that.

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Kakko # 24
Posted 2021-05-11 3:28 PM (#779681 - in reply to #779645)
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Well written. I agree with your points. Also agree that you'd have to be okay dealing Kakko, Buch, Lundkvist, and picks for Tkachuk. At days end I doubt the Flames move him though, and quite honestly we need a C more than a winger. I would look at the Calgary C's Monahan and Lindholm if I could not get Eichel. You have to think the Flames are open for business after missing the playoffs in a weak division.

I also think they could use some goalie support, so maybe Georgiev could interest them in a package with Buch, a dman, and a pick for one of their C's.

Georgiev, Buch, Jones, 3rd or 4th FOR Monahan or Lindholm

Watch the Flames, they could be a great match.


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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-05-11 7:21 PM (#779682 - in reply to #779673)
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Kakko # 24 - 2021-05-11 9:04 AM

I have seen Eichel play a ton, I get Buffalo games on MSG. He is a stud. If he checks out medically, I would trade for him if the package is reasonable.

With regards to Strome, we know that isn't happening, and nor should it. I like Strome, but he is not a # 2 C on a SC team, and I think based on comments from leadership, they are aware of that as well. We'll add a top 6 C for sure I think, even if it isn't Eichel (which is fine with me).







I’m not saying Strome is a number 2 center on a Stanley Cup team. He’s a stopgap until you find a guy without a major injury issue, and is a proven playoff performer. Not a should be.
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Kakko # 24
Posted 2021-05-12 5:44 AM (#779685 - in reply to #779645)
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Makes sense. I just think that gap will be filled this summer, so the Strome stopgap will not be needed.

I would guess he gets moved this summer for a top 6 C (be it Eichel or other). Buch maybe gets moved also to save the 5.5 mill or more he'll be looking for in a new deal. Can we keep Chytil or does he have to go? How do we add some toughness/grit as well.

A lot of fun questions to be addressed this summer.

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Posted 2021-05-15 1:47 PM (#779760 - in reply to #779645)
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For those of you who do not want to see Eichel on the Rangers, sounds like the Kings will make a big play for him. Plus I read the Sabres would prefer not to deal him to us if everything was close to equal. We are his desired location, and they are not inclined to satisfy that desire, and they would like to deal him West if close to equal.

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Posted 2021-05-15 4:25 PM (#779761 - in reply to #779645)
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I'm not sold on Eichel
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Posted 2021-05-16 5:29 AM (#779762 - in reply to #779761)
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Cap'nMess - 2021-05-15 7:25 PM

I'm not sold on Eichel


Agree.
Signing eichel means the Rangers would then have a decision on Zib - do they really want to tie up $36m in 4 forwards? If not, who replaces Zib? No Zib means the #2 C slot search begins again. Can Drury match the brassard for Zib trade with a Zib trade? Also, after last season, Zib's value might be low.

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Posted 2021-05-17 7:25 AM (#779773 - in reply to #779762)
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Cap'nMess - 2021-05-15 7:25 PM

I'm not sold on Eichel


Agree.
Signing eichel means the Rangers would then have a decision on Zib - do they really want to tie up $36m in 4 forwards? If not, who replaces Zib? No Zib means the #2 C slot search begins again. Can Drury match the brassard for Zib trade with a Zib trade? Also, after last season, Zib's value might be low.



Agree and Agree...

Any deal for Eichel in my mind must be carefully medically scrutinized... His condition also has bearing on what his trade value really is. Any risk to the possible negative aspects of his injury needs to be weighted.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-05-18 6:41 AM (#779779 - in reply to #779645)
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Say no to crack and Jack.
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Posted 2021-05-18 9:04 AM (#779780 - in reply to #779762)
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x10003q - 2021-05-16 7:29 AM

Cap'nMess - 2021-05-15 7:25 PM

I'm not sold on Eichel


Agree.
Signing eichel means the Rangers would then have a decision on Zib - do they really want to tie up $36m in 4 forwards? If not, who replaces Zib? No Zib means the #2 C slot search begins again. Can Drury match the brassard for Zib trade with a Zib trade? Also, after last season, Zib's value might be low.



Agree as well. But I don't see Zib's value being much less than last year. We and all GM's know his slow start was due to COVID hangover. When he got over that, he was really good.
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Kakko # 24
Posted 2021-05-18 3:45 PM (#779783 - in reply to #779645)
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The New York Rangers are in the market for another top center. One name that should be on their shopping list is Sean Monahan with the Calgary Flames. He hasn’t been officially put on the market, but there is a chance they will at least listen to offers this summer.

Here are Sean Monahan’s vital statistics that everyone should know:

Age – 26
Pos – C
H/W – 6’2?, 200 lbs
Shoots – Left

Now let’s dive into the numbers that count. He has two years remaining on a deal that has a $6.375 AAV and is coming off a down season. Some believe that it would lower the cost of acquisition, but I doubt it. However, he had hip surgery and is expected to be ready for next season. That could be a factor to drive the cost down, not one bad season.

For his career, Monahan has 439 points in 591 games. That is a points per game average of .74 since he broke into the NHL at 19 and played 75 games. Back in 2018-19, Monahan scored 82 points in 78 games. He’s potted 30 goals three times in his 8 years in the league as well. All very solid 2C numbers for sure, maybe even 1A.

I know what you are thinking. Can he win face-offs? The answer is yes. While he’s not a specialist, he has a career average in the dots of 50.2 and can hold his own. Monahan is also very good defensively, and does not take bad penalties. Like I said, read the reviews and make sure to hit Add to Cart.

So what would it take to acquire Monahan should he become an available item? That’s a good question and one that isn’t easily answered. What are the Flames in need of? Cap space for one. Heading into next season Calgary has about $14 million to play with and only have 13 players under contract.

Could the Rangers acquire a player like Monahan using cost controlled assets like center/winger Filip Chytil and defenseman Zac Jones? That may not be enough, but it could be a solid starting point. Remember, Calgary has a highly touted prospect in Connor Zary that could debut next season too. They have their own lost cost options coming in, but does it make sense to play Zary on the 4th line?

Right now the main objective of this article is to call attention to whom should be on Chris Drury’s trade shopping list for centers. If Monahan becomes officially available, the ask from GM Brad Reliving will be made clearer.

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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-05-20 7:04 AM (#779798 - in reply to #779645)
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I'll save you a lot of worrying about Monahan he's a lightweight in the physical dept. and Calgary who desperately needs his offense will trade him. If he's going to lead the Rangers to a cup he'd be a big time player for Calgary and why would they trade him. Do the math. Calgary hasn't been happy with the totality of his game since he got there. If the Rangers are going to keep Zib then you have to have some different skills in the other number one center that's brought in. He has to be a lot more physical for one, so whoever is coaching the Rangers has a prayer with matchups and doesn't have to overuse a third or fourth line against another teams best.
Panarin and Strome have something going that makes Panarin very happy and that's obvious. Beware trading your star players favorite center to soon. Beef up the defense and bottom two lines and see where it gets you next season. Plenty of time after next season for the final tinkering assuming they look ready to make a run.
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Posted 2021-05-20 7:53 AM (#779799 - in reply to #779645)
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Fair - I will say right now, no shot Strome starts the season as our # 2 C. We will upgrade the C position to most likely pair with Zib. Doesn't have to be Eichel, or Monahan, but it will be someone IMO. I think that is top of the list for Drury along with toughness/grit added.

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Posted 2021-05-20 9:39 AM (#779800 - in reply to #779645)
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Don’t be so sure about another Center just yet, we will see what happens to Strome. Hopefully Drury isn’t one of those guys that doesn’t leave any cap room for rainy days. You are the loudest on here with the get rid of Strome stuff. Plenty on here don’t have a problem with him back here on his contract. He’s a nice chip if it doesn’t pan out next trade deadline. In the meanwhile your getting a good read on this summers most immediate and necessary acquisitions and promotions. And Strome gets another season to see if he has another gear. And more time for the Rangers to decide next season to find a guy that checks all the boxes.
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