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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2021-07-31 8:38 PM (#780624 - in reply to #779645)
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Eichel can go take a hikel...
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Steady Eddie
Posted 2021-08-01 5:12 AM (#780625 - in reply to #780621)
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Fish - 2021-07-31 9:07 PM

So Brooks today suggests that including Kakko might get the deal done, but only IF the Sabres retain half of Eichel's $10M salary...

https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/kaapo-kakko-may-be-rangers-key-to-jack...


Eichel at $5 million per, for Kakko, Chytil, and Jones... Do it!
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Cap'nMess
Posted 2021-08-01 5:58 AM (#780627 - in reply to #779645)
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I would like to see what Galant can do with Kakko. I wouldn't want to lose him just yet.

Make it Strome, Jones, and Chytil.
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Kakko # 24
Posted 2021-08-01 6:30 AM (#780628 - in reply to #780625)
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Steady Eddie - 2021-08-01 8:12 AM

Fish - 2021-07-31 9:07 PM

So Brooks today suggests that including Kakko might get the deal done, but only IF the Sabres retain half of Eichel's $10M salary...

https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/kaapo-kakko-may-be-rangers-key-to-jack...


Eichel at $5 million per, for Kakko, Chytil, and Jones... Do it!

Agree 100%. I would think if we threw Kakko into the mix maybe we could keep Chytil though. Maybe Georgiev and a 1st go in for him.

A deal that gives us Eichel for $7M or less, that we can pair with Zib as an amazing 1-2 punch is huge. Add in Pan, Laf, Kreider, Kravtsov, and the toughness added on the 3rd and 4th lines, and we are cooking (and we'll see what happens with Chytil and Strome in this scenario).

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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-08-01 11:32 AM (#780629 - in reply to #779645)
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Brooks fills a slow news day with a gem. Mission accomplished people rushing to read his article. One would almost think he planned it. Until such time as the Rangers have a 100% guarantee Eichel will be 100% after whatever surgical procedure he undergoes, he’s not worth a plugged nickle. You are looking at a Kakko, or Kravstov, and Chytil and Robertson, and probably Georgiev for Buffalo to be eating any salary cap. Minimum $3,000,000. $5,000,000 preferable for the Rangers. The only young guy I don’t mind losing is Chytil. I’d hate to see Kakko and Kravstov in a deal, to much potential untapped by Quinn. Gallant has a power scoring forward’s brain from playing himself, he will have a huge impact on the Rangers young forwards. He will get them playing the right way.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2021-08-01 11:56 AM (#780630 - in reply to #780625)
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Steady Eddie - 2021-08-01 5:12 AM

Fish - 2021-07-31 9:07 PM

So Brooks today suggests that including Kakko might get the deal done, but only IF the Sabres retain half of Eichel's $10M salary...

https://nypost.com/2021/07/31/kaapo-kakko-may-be-rangers-key-to-jack...


Eichel at $5 million per, for Kakko, Chytil, and Jones... Do it!



Please. Eichel's neck is a non starter. The two idiot sides over there can't decide what to do with it. I not giving up Kakko straight up for Eichel with that neck. Kakko and Chytil both took big steps up last year. If their retard coach actually used them correctly and they played a normal schedule out of their division this year which was full of teams that wanted to win every game 2-1, their numbers would have been better. I would not give up any high ceiling, young talent for a player with a screwed up neck. It's not worth the risk. If I decided to move a Kakko or Chytil, I'm getting Larkin back.
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David Quinn
Posted 2021-08-02 10:29 AM (#780641 - in reply to #779645)
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Retard is a bit harsh. I prefer incompetent.
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ej17
Posted 2021-08-02 5:19 PM (#780643 - in reply to #779645)
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https://www.diebytheblade.com/2021/4/18/22388791/buffalo-sabres-jack...
Ill pass. No way is it worth the risk
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Fish
Posted 2021-08-06 9:18 AM (#780676 - in reply to #779645)
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2021-08-06 9:55 AM (#780678 - in reply to #779645)
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God help us. Hey, if it's Stome, Kravtsov, Hajek, Jones and a 1st. So be it. Not doing much more than that.
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Fish
Posted 2021-08-06 10:25 AM (#780679 - in reply to #779645)
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Posted 2021-08-09 11:57 AM (#780689 - in reply to #779645)
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Fish
Posted 2021-08-09 12:02 PM (#780690 - in reply to #779645)
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I believe the reason why you can't rule it out, is that Buffalo isn't necessarily the final resting spot for Zibanejad, and that it would be Buffalo receiving Zibanejad, and then moving him to say Vegas.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-08-09 12:38 PM (#780691 - in reply to #779645)
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Eichel trade is a no deal until some Dr’s say he can be successfully operated on whatever the operation, that’s the base of the division between Eichel wanting disc replacement surgery and Buffalo wanting basically a disc repair job. Dr’s can’t even agree. I don’t know what idiot would trade Zibanejad in any deal for Eichel unless it’s written in stone he’s good to go, which means, he’s deemed 100% AFTER whatever operation.
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Posted 2021-08-09 1:36 PM (#780695 - in reply to #779645)
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I still think Eichel is here. Do the math, we have left open cap space for some reason, we still don't have a FO winning C added, and we have made no big moves. I think Drury is waiting out the Eichel thing.

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Fish
Posted 2021-08-13 11:52 AM (#780749 - in reply to #779645)
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We're entering the period of time where Jack Eichel will start missing either training camp or regular season games if he has Artificial Disk Replacement (ADR). The recovery time for ADR is 6-8 weeks so if you project that out from today, then we're sitting at September 10th-24th for a return. Camp is scheduled to open up around the 22nd or so of September, with the regular season starting October 13th (for the Rangers, a day earlier for the league as a whole).
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Pierre_Pdare
Posted 2021-08-13 12:23 PM (#780750 - in reply to #779645)
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Maybe you trade for him and put him on LTIR until the playoffs...
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David Quinn
Posted 2021-08-13 2:02 PM (#780751 - in reply to #779645)
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https://youtu.be/4MpyHBoiTwk

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Fish
Posted 2021-08-27 2:17 PM (#780803 - in reply to #779645)
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Announced today that he's changed his agent to Pat Brisson - who has clients like Tavares, Barzal, Giroux, Crosby, Kopitar and Toews.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-08-27 3:50 PM (#780804 - in reply to #780749)
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Fish - 2021-08-13 10:52 AM

We're entering the period of time where Jack Eichel will start missing either training camp or regular season games if he has Artificial Disk Replacement (ADR). The recovery time for ADR is 6-8 weeks so if you project that out from today, then we're sitting at September 10th-24th for a return. Camp is scheduled to open up around the 22nd or so of September, with the regular season starting October 13th (for the Rangers, a day earlier for the league as a whole).




Tick tock indeed. A bigger concern is operations are not always successful and have multiple layers of success, meaning the 60 year olds definition of success is much different than Eichel’s bar for success. I think Drury and any other NHL G.M. is a idiot if they trade for Eichel before the operation. Don’t need a fixer upper hockey player. Blow good assets on Eichel and he has after operation issues then what? Better to go with what they have. I think the additions Drury has made, even though not exactly bargains, are going to improve this team a fair bit especially if Gallant can get them all revved up.
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Fish
Posted 2021-08-27 4:11 PM (#780805 - in reply to #780804)
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LaFrenger - 2021-08-27 4:50 PM

Fish - 2021-08-13 10:52 AM

We're entering the period of time where Jack Eichel will start missing either training camp or regular season games if he has Artificial Disk Replacement (ADR). The recovery time for ADR is 6-8 weeks so if you project that out from today, then we're sitting at September 10th-24th for a return. Camp is scheduled to open up around the 22nd or so of September, with the regular season starting October 13th (for the Rangers, a day earlier for the league as a whole).




Tick tock indeed. A bigger concern is operations are not always successful and have multiple layers of success, meaning the 60 year olds definition of success is much different than Eichel’s bar for success. I think Drury and any other NHL G.M. is a idiot if they trade for Eichel before the operation. Don’t need a fixer upper hockey player. Blow good assets on Eichel and he has after operation issues then what? Better to go with what they have. I think the additions Drury has made, even though not exactly bargains, are going to improve this team a fair bit especially if Gallant can get them all revved up.


While there's risk in every surgery....even getting your wisdom teeth out, from what I've read, this is on the relatively lower end of the risk scale. I think the price for him would be much higher if he did have successful surgery than if he didn't, and so I'd be willing to take a gamble on it, because I think the chances are on the lower side.

With that said, I do have some concerns about his character. It's hard to know for sure, but I do wonder if there might be some maturity issues there, and I wonder how he'll do in pressure situations. He's clearly got talent, but if you contrast how this has gone down versus how Sam Reinhart was handled, it's very different. Eichel's end of season press conference, some reports that he's "not a leader" despite being made captain...I do wonder.

Obviously not everyone's a leader, Zibanejad doesn't seem to be a leader exactly, and there's some question how he does against certain types of opposition, but he has always seemed to be a team player. It's hard to say for sure whether Eichel's as much of a team player...whether it's just the situation in Buffalo, but there's definitely a contrast between him and Reinhart in that respect.
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LaFrenger
Posted 2021-08-27 5:31 PM (#780806 - in reply to #780805)
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Fish - 2021-08-27 3:11 PM

LaFrenger - 2021-08-27 4:50 PM

Fish - 2021-08-13 10:52 AM

We're entering the period of time where Jack Eichel will start missing either training camp or regular season games if he has Artificial Disk Replacement (ADR). The recovery time for ADR is 6-8 weeks so if you project that out from today, then we're sitting at September 10th-24th for a return. Camp is scheduled to open up around the 22nd or so of September, with the regular season starting October 13th (for the Rangers, a day earlier for the league as a whole).




Tick tock indeed. A bigger concern is operations are not always successful and have multiple layers of success, meaning the 60 year olds definition of success is much different than Eichel’s bar for success. I think Drury and any other NHL G.M. is a idiot if they trade for Eichel before the operation. Don’t need a fixer upper hockey player. Blow good assets on Eichel and he has after operation issues then what? Better to go with what they have. I think the additions Drury has made, even though not exactly bargains, are going to improve this team a fair bit especially if Gallant can get them all revved up.


While there's risk in every surgery....even getting your wisdom teeth out, from what I've read, this is on the relatively lower end of the risk scale. I think the price for him would be much higher if he did have successful surgery than if he didn't, and so I'd be willing to take a gamble on it, because I think the chances are on the lower side.

With that said, I do have some concerns about his character. It's hard to know for sure, but I do wonder if there might be some maturity issues there, and I wonder how he'll do in pressure situations. He's clearly got talent, but if you contrast how this has gone down versus how Sam Reinhart was handled, it's very different. Eichel's end of season press conference, some reports that he's "not a leader" despite being made captain...I do wonder.

Obviously not everyone's a leader, Zibanejad doesn't seem to be a leader exactly, and there's some question how he does against certain types of opposition, but he has always seemed to be a team player. It's hard to say for sure whether Eichel's as much of a team player...whether it's just the situation in Buffalo, but there's definitely a contrast between him and Reinhart in that respect.




Not sure which operation your talking about his team doesn’t like the replacement surgery so there’s that.
The Rangers have the assets for one shot at a elite center if that’s what they think they need. Eichel at a bargain price is not a bargain if he has operation issues . I’ve had both knee’s replaced by the same Dr. One is great one not so great. Dr’s have bad days to. I’d far rather the Rangers paid market price for a healthy elite guy, than bargain shop. And I also have a few issues with his ability to lead and be a go to guy in the crunch. Drury needs to be patient and get the right guy.
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Posted 2021-08-28 1:32 PM (#780807 - in reply to #779645)
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Recovery might be 6-8 weeks a desk jockey, but getting hit into the boards is a whole different level of shyt. Most of the ADR literature says it takes 3 months to get back to normal. What if they find other issues with his back? Either way, it is Aug 28 and Eichel is still waiting to deal with the injury. Realistically, he is at Dec 1 if he gets surgery tomorrow and everything goes according to plan. He could start training at 6-8 weeks, but when do you let him hit or be hit? You would have to be a fool to give up the talent Buffalo wants in this situation when we are so close to the season.
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itsmcilrathtime
Posted 2021-08-29 5:37 AM (#780808 - in reply to #779645)
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Buffalo is an incompetely run organization. If they had any brains they would have traed Eichel right after the season was over. Now, if their two young centers take a huge step up this season, they will lose a ton of leverage as teams know they will not want him on the team and will try to dump his contract.
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Fish
Posted 2021-09-23 12:07 PM (#780942 - in reply to #779645)
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Eichel was officially stripped of his captaincy today after failing his physical. Despite some reports a few weeks ago now, there appears to still be no agreement on treatment, and so Eichel's potentially return date remains unknown...would seem December at risk unless something changes soon.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/32262693/buffalo-sabres-center-j...
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